I just wanted to comment on the Praxis since I didn't see anything in reference to it unless I'm just blind. The reason the station repairs are so cheap is because the Praxis and Gnosis are designed to be new player "entry" ships. If you notice on both of them the skill requirements are hilarious. Players can jump in them immediately. Also why they're "jack of all trades". That way any race can fly them with any skill spec right out the gate. In return that's why the cost are so low. New players run maybe 5m after doing starter missions. Love the vids, love the information! Keep up the great work and fly safe
Thanks for the input. the repair cost are factored off the production materials which is nothing as they cant be built. Yes they are good ships, they do lack any tank / application bonuses but they are the entry level battleship for sure, and the only one an alpha should even think of o7
I used to run missions solo with a shield tanked Maelstrom and used a MWD to manage damage. Once I got my indy alt trained up for combat a bit, I used 2 armor tanked Praxis with remote armor rep fits to run 4's for quite a while. Now I've got my main guy into a Vargur marauder and my indy guy follows behind in a Noctis because the Vargur is such a beast.
Great follow-up to the last video on this. Really like that you went back to address some things from the previous one. Also, thank you very much for the skin from the last one!
Thanks Dad Dex, been watching all the videos, you have got me into everything from PI to taking damage to the hull. There is definitely something for everyone in every video. the Dark Logan ...Rupture I guess
I love your videos. Very clear and very interesting. The part of designing a plan and executing it is what makes PvE interesting. It's like solving a puzzle. Recently the most satisfying PvE I've done is a combat site with ship restrictions in which someone had spawn everything. Landing spot is right in the middle of the rats, almost lost my cerberus (wrecks of a couple of other players you lost their ships in the trap before me btw). Barely made out thanks to a fit capable of getting rid of pointing frigs fast. Tried a couple of fit adjustements, to no avail. Webs + DPS was hard to tank even crancking up resistances. Then I remembered I had a oracle around since the times my corp being wardec'ed and we bashing pocos (a single use ship). The oracle could shake the damage off due to large buffer for long enough to microjump away. Beam lasers made short work of the rats (sansha space) from 100km away. That's how I used to do L4's in my rattlesnake. I think your videos are useful for both newbros and guys like who who stopped playing in 2017 and recently came back (game is quite different today).
Used to do this back in the day on Caldari mission ships, if you got hull or armor damage just put a hull or armor repairer on. Undock, repair, dock and switch mods.
Alright. Tried a few fittings (fitting window), and I'm definitely be going with the Rapid Heavy Missiles as you do. Love the DPS and range. I'll go a bit more tanky: no tracking computer or target painter, and only one multispectrum shield hardener, the rest would be 3x large and 2x medium shield extender II for a total of 102k ehp. Low slots are the same and rigs 3x Large Core Defense Field Extender I. And regular Ogre and Hammerhead. I have my buy orders for the missing modules. Can't wait! And I could switch the multispectrum shield hardener for an EM, Thermal or Kinetic shield hardener depending on the mission.
Have done some l4 missions with a range of minmatar bs, including a machariel. I find u really need the right fit to do the right mission for efficiency. It took me a bit of time logistically to bring in all the right ships to my l4 mission a area. But once its set your good to jump in and go. Ign: Nev Ertheless (rupture) Ps: thanks for all the vids.
The luxury of a range of fits and ships is useful indeed. Just this range of 'cheap' ships I am using make is more fun /interesting too. Skin code sent, Have fun! o7
Hey, have recently discovered your Eve videos and have been binging on your back catalogue. Have been obsessed with Eve since 2017 and you've inspired me to try low sec belt ratting with low cost vessels. Please keep the content coming.
Never really realised that the SoCT ships have balanced resistances. I only had them placed as jack-of-all-trades with regard to weapons. Nice to learn somthing new each day. Personally, I'm a frequent lvl-4 mission runner and do it more or less as a relaxing activity after work. But I definetly prefer active tanked ships compared to your buffer-tank kiting ships (e.g. sitting there in the middle of the debris ring in "Attack of the Drones" and triggering & killing each spawn seperately while the repair module takes care of the incoming damage). I also almost exclusively use Gallente drones as their damage is - even taking the slightly higher thermal damage resisntances of some NPCs' into account - still better due to their inherent higher damage mutiplier (only exception are some missions against Angel and Minmatar ships where I use Minmatar drones). IGN Iri'yana (Maller > Rupture) ... but you can put me at the end of the list, as I've already won last time.
I got my standings for L4 with Caldari Navy earlier this week, and I should have HAM alpha trained to Specialisation 3 in about 7 days. So I should be good to do them next week most probably. I already have the Praxis, so my fit may very well look like yours. I'm more a turret user so far, so I'll probably start with L3s just to get use to the mechanic of missiles (fire rate, reload time, time from launch to hit, etc.). Reward wise, I'm already comfortable with L3s (seems to be half of what you get on the L4 here), so if I can run them in relatively the same amount of time, I'll be very happy. The bounties are usually great as well on L3s, doubling if not tripling the mission isk rewards (pirates and mercenaries only, not against empire navies) and the loot estimated amount can go as high as 8 millions from what I've experience so far (my best loot are usually against empire navies). I can imagine the bounties and loot against battleship will be very good as well. The LP reward I see at the end of your video, I can't wait to get that much per mission! Will definitely save up for that Drake Navy Issue :) Finally, (sorry for the long post) I didn't detailed it on the comment of the previous video, but like I said, I usually use the MTU after the site is cleared, and while waiting for the MTU to do its job while babysitting it, I usually have a high slot equiped with a Salvager 1 and salvage the wrecks. Most of the time, I'm done salvaging a few salvage cycles after the MTU is done doing its thing. The estimated amount can also go in the millions there as well (salvage is best against drones wrecks). Considering my main account (industrialist) is manufacturing some shield rigs, I find it both helpfull and lucrative to salvage. But again, like I said, I'm not in a rush and I'm fine taking the time to clean every bit of a site. More efficient people could go and multibox that part however. Pushing my luck. Considering the beautiful Maller skin: (def won't go on the market) IGN : Amarra Shimaya (the lady with TSNPC, not the dude, lol) (She is doing L2 for now)
@@evanray8413 Absolutely right! I got late on this, but they are now at level 3 (max for alpha is either level 2 or 3). Even Security Connections, which I was able to save up the 15kLP for the skill book and train it yesterday (first thing I bought with the LP). This toon is in Omega state at the moment and will be until October, but I try to limit to the skills of an alpha can train. This is why I use the term "alpha trained" in some of my comments. I bought some Omega time to go passed the limit of 5M SP for the skill queue, though apparently there are up to 20M SP an alpha can train. And also because I really wanted to do some pew pew and my main (Omega) being an industrialist, combat skills weren't a priority (but it will get there eventually). You just can't watch @Dad Dex and not want to do some pew pew xD
@@daddex9222 Silly me, I thought you had it cover! Just re-watched your previous video and right, you used the next best thing (prototype arbalest). Feeling confident things should go well with the T2s. I didn't know Rapid Heavy Missile was a thing until I watch this current video.
Rupture then Maller. Sometimes I run L4s just to take it easy. Sometimes I run them to test fits like you do. I've completed some in a Gnosis. P.S. Put your hardeners at either end of mid slots. So the heat spreads better. If you keep them beside each other they will burn each other out faster.
@@evanray8413 Yeah we did speculate the ship repair was factored off the build cost which is silly small, though I don't think the bp/c actually exist. It does look like a decent battlecruiser could handle some of these, once i finally get them all in the rotation I will have a better idea. I have recorded at least one run of each mission so far, it is good intel for sorting out the fit and the plan. xD
@@daddex9222 I don't think Praxis BPCs are available to players but the Gnosis ones are, or at least were. I remember back when I felt like going somewhere new or was moving around, I'd buy a Gnosis BPC and 1 Trit, put em in a frig and off I go. Don't forget to spread your heat. Applies to hi-slots too. Put a salvager/probe launcher in the middle of your rack of turrets/launchers. Utility hi permitting ofc. Same for lo's tho not as much. Unless dual-repping.
Just discovered your channel. Love it. I'm trying to find an excuse to get out to low/null sec. Also, I'll take either skin if I'm chosen. Ingame name: DCIL
I do L4s to chill and ofcourse hopefully to get some valuable stuff. But also its a good way to try different fits and understand modules. I would prefer the Rupture skin :) IGN: Dinaorta
I agree running the same sites in pretty controlled conditions is a great way to experiment and see what difference modules actually make. Fit screen numbers can be misleading and only trial and error really gets the data :) Skin code sent Fly Brave! o7
If repair costs are that low, how about insurance? I’ve seen ships that made no sense insuring at all, as it would just give you a handful of ISK (as in below 100 ISK or so) Thanks for the tip with disabling auto-reload btw, that’s a real game changer
Nice video! Always fun to watch some chill mission running in alternative cheaper fits. I do lvl 4 missions when I want to make isk with very little stress, and I primarily use Domi, Raven, or Mach (slowly training to marauder). As for skins, I prefer maller then rupture. IGN: DarkTrooper 1
IGN: Voidstrider. Mauller then Rupture. I do more mining and industry, so have not got enough standing to run LVL 4. I do follow friends in their lvl 4 mission to clean up their wrecks.
Yes, I used them on the wormhole drake and the praxis on the old emerging conduits. I have yet to really play with / balance these fits so they may make an appearance xD
May i ask why don't you use an active tank? I remember doing this mission in active tank raven and had no problems tanking the rats. Granted i was an alpah clone not to long ago. Any bs with xl booster & shield hardners will do the job.
I did the last missions in an active tank Raven, i found it way over tanked and very dull to use. Turning your hull into a battery compromises DPS a lot too. I did explain my thinking in the vid at various points, 2.50 is the first, same reason I used a Praxis and not a Faction BS. If I hadn't deliberately spawned the whole room it would have been fine too. I like to encourage players to push themselves and their fits, and actually pilot their ships. if you can't handle your Praxis taking a beating and keep it alive an Alpha is never gonna get through an Angels 5/10, and what are you gonna do the first time you get put into hull but still need to stay focused?! I mostly fly in low sec where fits will often not be optimised for a site because of the additional local hazards, but the site get done anyway. I also know how much more ISK i could be making there in a 10 mil dessie so these missions really are threat free light relief for me. Check the killboards to see how quickly those active tank fits die when they get caught xD
@@daddex9222 I used passive fit drake/raven in L3 missons in the past. its didnt go so well with passive fits for me dps isnt everything to me. having to warp away in order to not die and lose you're ship slow you down in process of completing a misson. having more dps is nice not gonna lie but its not everything unless you're sucide ganking. I learned that active tanked fits are better . having a buffer/passive cant face tank stuff.sometimes you're webbed/scramed so you can't really run away until you kill the frigs that web/scram you and that take time . you need to kite inorder to reduce the incoming dps in order to tank stuff. I had to in l3 missons with a drake. this misson doesnt have such high dps .I'm pretty sure i faced tanked some of the damage. I know some pepople like diffrent play style I respect that. maybe you can have better passive tank with 3 large purgers 2. tbh i never had max passive regen bs .I just had buffer tank drake/raven. you had 20 hp/s that nothing in term of regen. I guess you find it more fun this way to run missons.I watch you're raven/dni videos and other vids. with my small experince with l4 missons . like 30-20 or so. some misson can have warp gate that send you in the middle of ton of bs/bc all attacking you. having passive tank mean you melt even faster than i do. i myself dont have good enough skills to run all the L4 misson i please due the lack of tank . I pick one i know can tank easily. with buffer tank you cant last long if you take damage .the rats will wear you'r buffer down. The point you have to have regen. pretty sure you know it. even with regen you have to pilot in some misson inorder to not die due to really high dps.unless you have active boss tank maruder/rattlesnake. I myself had to kite even with active tank due to high dps due to my crappy skills in some missons.
@@happyhour5419 Passive Drake for missions is the way to go,Raven active tank. Setting up ships for missions in .5 space and above is completely different to what you'll need in low sec. Low sec, go in a ship you can afford to lose, it's that simple.
@@drekceldude pretty sure most people run missons in high sec in 0.5 systems or higher. I use a dc as a buffer on a armmagdon ,typoon ,Praxis and domi for buffer. those are pve fits. I do fit a dc on some of my ships . for exmaple a worm with dc can survive the abyss easier . devoted knight , karybdis tyrannos wreacking shot, rogue drone bc. those dc would help. a dc saved me from a ganker in rouge drone event . i was in worm with dc and survived 2 cats. I would rather have a mix of buffer and active repper. as for pvp. i check the zkill for all sorts of fits .
Haha your last comments about if you have never been in hull you are playing too dull.... I was in my Navy Dominix once before I really should have been flying something that size and got away from a mission with 14 hull left and very very thankful..... haha
It really depends on the application and what you want out of the run really. Active tank is still most popular with a lot of PVE and most mission runners, but a good active tank means less something else..... as I said in the vid i wasn't using 'that standard active tank fit' simply because it is dull, my Praxis does other stuff in other places and I also think players should get used to dealing with things getting a bit hectic in this kind of safe environment rather than 'for real' in low sec etc.
@@daddex9222 I put my account on hold about 5 years ago with my main character created in 2008, I've lived in nul space, for me Eve is 2 games in one, there's living in .5 and above space and there's null space. Running missions in high sec is for me 1- making isk, salvaging for manufacturing and making my own ammo, I find this relaxing when my Tengu easily tanks L4's and so does my Raven. Only way to pratice for low sec and null space is to go there, running missions will do little to prep a pilot for low security space.
I dont usually use battleships, except in incursions where I run a WTM Starter Vindicator fit, but I could try this next time IGN: Solitude Nox (Maller pls)
Incursions is one part of the game I never really looked at, I couldn't even figure out what the entry level was, all I got sent were faction BS fits. Is there no 'lower level' or are they just ignored?
@@daddex9222 WTM is Warp To Me. An incursion community. He is referring to their Minimum fit Vindi they require. Check out their website. I've toyed with the idea a few times and did some research but haven't tried to get involved yet.
@@daddex9222 Eve Rookies Incursions run vanguard incursions twice a week, they have praxis fits and Ioan out ships for it. Otherwise the big groups have starter fits that aren't too hard to get in, they expect people to upgrade to keep flying with them though.
Love watching your videos! I'd not yet gotten up to lvl 4 missions, so I enjoy watching you run them. I'll take either, prefer rupture. IGN Nate42 Vyvorant
I hate to be that guy but please dont use this fit there are so many things wrong with it. First of all if you dont have a reason to make a fit passive just dont do it. The only reason to make a fit passive is neut pressure and there is not a single lvl 4 mission that exerts heavy neut pressure. Second: if you passive fit something Purger rigs are a must. The fit shown in the video only tanks ~70 ehp/s against em the highest resist, just changing the rigs to t1 purgers increases tank to 83 ehp/ against all damage types. That is better but still really bad for a 4 slot investment. Try something like this instead: [Praxis, better paraxis] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Co-Processor II Capacitor Flux Coil II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Missile Guidance Computer II Large Clarity Ward Enduring Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Large Cap Battery II 500MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Target Painter II Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile [Empty High slot] Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Ogre II x4 It has 166 ehp/s cap stable tank with the mwd off and its even a few mil cheaper.
I hate to be that guy but passive tank did the job and I made it clear the fit was not that kind of fit. Part of the point of my vids is that you do not need to min/max to do stuff, especially if you are not stuck in a rut. Also, knowing how to deal with your ship taking a beating is a very important skill. You go low sec in that fit and get neuted to death... the passive fit is way more flexible. Your fit is sound, it is just another option though xD
@@daddex9222 Sure a skiff with enough time would get the mission done too but that is not really the point. The video showed that your fit can do the mission obviously. My point was that the fit is bad. You can ofc fit your ships howerver you like but i was just pointing out to any new player that maybe wants to copy this fit why there are better options. And regarding lowsec if you apply 30 gj/s neut pressure to both fits they take exactly the same time to dry out. Since you run invulns for resists you will die at that point aswell so it isnt even superior in that regard.
Might I ask why the Cap Control Circuits? Is it to make the ship stable with the MWD on? is that necessary? Edit: Nevermind I had a medium booster equipped, whoops.
@@DragonMagi Cccs are sort of the default for active mission ships. Id like to mention that the fit is still not amazing and if you are new to missions you probably want to fit more tank for safety. Rapid heavies already apply quite well so you can probably drop the painter and guidance computer for more tank. Replacing one damage mod in the lows with a damage control gives your more timer to warp off wen shit hits the fan.
@@Thisone95 Thanks for the advice. I'm definitely still learning to fly it but it seems to work alright. I use the tank to pull range and then blast away at around 65km. I replaced one of the cccs with a processor overclock so I could fit a drone link aug and upgraded another one to t2. It's not stable anymore but it lasts almost and hour, which is fine since I don't have the booster on all the time anyway.
I like l4 missions. I do them for the faction mods. I go on the basis that every 10000 lp spent should give me 10 mil profit or greater. Ign: Deft Ozuwara Any skin is fine thx.
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Thanks you!
@@daddex9222 No, thank you!
I just wanted to comment on the Praxis since I didn't see anything in reference to it unless I'm just blind. The reason the station repairs are so cheap is because the Praxis and Gnosis are designed to be new player "entry" ships. If you notice on both of them the skill requirements are hilarious. Players can jump in them immediately. Also why they're "jack of all trades". That way any race can fly them with any skill spec right out the gate. In return that's why the cost are so low. New players run maybe 5m after doing starter missions. Love the vids, love the information! Keep up the great work and fly safe
Thanks for the input. the repair cost are factored off the production materials which is nothing as they cant be built. Yes they are good ships, they do lack any tank / application bonuses but they are the entry level battleship for sure, and the only one an alpha should even think of o7
I used to run missions solo with a shield tanked Maelstrom and used a MWD to manage damage. Once I got my indy alt trained up for combat a bit, I used 2 armor tanked Praxis with remote armor rep fits to run 4's for quite a while. Now I've got my main guy into a Vargur marauder and my indy guy follows behind in a Noctis because the Vargur is such a beast.
That is certainly i good progression xD I am trying to negotiate the release of my old Noctis from the station it is locked in :)
Great follow-up to the last video on this. Really like that you went back to address some things from the previous one. Also, thank you very much for the skin from the last one!
Thanks Dad Dex, been watching all the videos, you have got me into everything from PI to taking damage to the hull. There is definitely something for everyone in every video. the Dark Logan ...Rupture I guess
I love your videos. Very clear and very interesting.
The part of designing a plan and executing it is what makes PvE interesting. It's like solving a puzzle. Recently the most satisfying PvE I've done is a combat site with ship restrictions in which someone had spawn everything. Landing spot is right in the middle of the rats, almost lost my cerberus (wrecks of a couple of other players you lost their ships in the trap before me btw). Barely made out thanks to a fit capable of getting rid of pointing frigs fast. Tried a couple of fit adjustements, to no avail. Webs + DPS was hard to tank even crancking up resistances.
Then I remembered I had a oracle around since the times my corp being wardec'ed and we bashing pocos (a single use ship). The oracle could shake the damage off due to large buffer for long enough to microjump away. Beam lasers made short work of the rats (sansha space) from 100km away. That's how I used to do L4's in my rattlesnake.
I think your videos are useful for both newbros and guys like who who stopped playing in 2017 and recently came back (game is quite different today).
Used to do this back in the day on Caldari mission ships, if you got hull or armor damage just put a hull or armor repairer on. Undock, repair, dock and switch mods.
Alright. Tried a few fittings (fitting window), and I'm definitely be going with the Rapid Heavy Missiles as you do. Love the DPS and range. I'll go a bit more tanky: no tracking computer or target painter, and only one multispectrum shield hardener, the rest would be 3x large and 2x medium shield extender II for a total of 102k ehp. Low slots are the same and rigs 3x Large Core Defense Field Extender I. And regular Ogre and Hammerhead. I have my buy orders for the missing modules. Can't wait!
And I could switch the multispectrum shield hardener for an EM, Thermal or Kinetic shield hardener depending on the mission.
Have done some l4 missions with a range of minmatar bs, including a machariel. I find u really need the right fit to do the right mission for efficiency. It took me a bit of time logistically to bring in all the right ships to my l4 mission a area. But once its set your good to jump in and go.
Ign: Nev Ertheless (rupture)
Ps: thanks for all the vids.
The luxury of a range of fits and ships is useful indeed. Just this range of 'cheap' ships I am using make is more fun /interesting too. Skin code sent, Have fun! o7
Hey, have recently discovered your Eve videos and have been binging on your back catalogue. Have been obsessed with Eve since 2017 and you've inspired me to try low sec belt ratting with low cost vessels. Please keep the content coming.
Never really realised that the SoCT ships have balanced resistances. I only had them placed as jack-of-all-trades with regard to weapons. Nice to learn somthing new each day.
Personally, I'm a frequent lvl-4 mission runner and do it more or less as a relaxing activity after work. But I definetly prefer active tanked ships compared to your buffer-tank kiting ships (e.g. sitting there in the middle of the debris ring in "Attack of the Drones" and triggering & killing each spawn seperately while the repair module takes care of the incoming damage). I also almost exclusively use Gallente drones as their damage is - even taking the slightly higher thermal damage resisntances of some NPCs' into account - still better due to their inherent higher damage mutiplier (only exception are some missions against Angel and Minmatar ships where I use Minmatar drones).
IGN Iri'yana (Maller > Rupture) ... but you can put me at the end of the list, as I've already won last time.
I got my standings for L4 with Caldari Navy earlier this week, and I should have HAM alpha trained to Specialisation 3 in about 7 days. So I should be good to do them next week most probably. I already have the Praxis, so my fit may very well look like yours. I'm more a turret user so far, so I'll probably start with L3s just to get use to the mechanic of missiles (fire rate, reload time, time from launch to hit, etc.).
Reward wise, I'm already comfortable with L3s (seems to be half of what you get on the L4 here), so if I can run them in relatively the same amount of time, I'll be very happy. The bounties are usually great as well on L3s, doubling if not tripling the mission isk rewards (pirates and mercenaries only, not against empire navies) and the loot estimated amount can go as high as 8 millions from what I've experience so far (my best loot are usually against empire navies). I can imagine the bounties and loot against battleship will be very good as well.
The LP reward I see at the end of your video, I can't wait to get that much per mission! Will definitely save up for that Drake Navy Issue :)
Finally, (sorry for the long post) I didn't detailed it on the comment of the previous video, but like I said, I usually use the MTU after the site is cleared, and while waiting for the MTU to do its job while babysitting it, I usually have a high slot equiped with a Salvager 1 and salvage the wrecks. Most of the time, I'm done salvaging a few salvage cycles after the MTU is done doing its thing. The estimated amount can also go in the millions there as well (salvage is best against drones wrecks). Considering my main account (industrialist) is manufacturing some shield rigs, I find it both helpfull and lucrative to salvage. But again, like I said, I'm not in a rush and I'm fine taking the time to clean every bit of a site. More efficient people could go and multibox that part however.
Pushing my luck. Considering the beautiful Maller skin: (def won't go on the market)
IGN : Amarra Shimaya (the lady with TSNPC, not the dude, lol)
(She is doing L2 for now)
Train your Social skills to increase LP and ISK payout. There's also one to increase Standing gains.
I have 3 days left for T2 HAMs, it will make that fit much more powerful for sure xD
@@evanray8413 Absolutely right! I got late on this, but they are now at level 3 (max for alpha is either level 2 or 3). Even Security Connections, which I was able to save up the 15kLP for the skill book and train it yesterday (first thing I bought with the LP). This toon is in Omega state at the moment and will be until October, but I try to limit to the skills of an alpha can train. This is why I use the term "alpha trained" in some of my comments. I bought some Omega time to go passed the limit of 5M SP for the skill queue, though apparently there are up to 20M SP an alpha can train. And also because I really wanted to do some pew pew and my main (Omega) being an industrialist, combat skills weren't a priority (but it will get there eventually). You just can't watch @Dad Dex and not want to do some pew pew xD
@@daddex9222 Silly me, I thought you had it cover! Just re-watched your previous video and right, you used the next best thing (prototype arbalest). Feeling confident things should go well with the T2s. I didn't know Rapid Heavy Missile was a thing until I watch this current video.
Need to get security connections for largerLp Payouts
it would be awesome if you were to export your fits and put them in the descriptions of your awesome videos :) thanks Dad !! :P
I usually just forget. I made a note to add it here later. I also post the vid fits in the discord, usually when reminded! Fly Brave!! o7
@@daddex9222 oh I didn't know you had a Discord. Is it public ?
After you sorted your drones and modules I really wanted you to ENABLE SAFETY.
IGN: Hope Boloskarl
lol :P
Rupture then Maller.
Sometimes I run L4s just to take it easy.
Sometimes I run them to test fits like you do. I've completed some in a Gnosis.
P.S. Put your hardeners at either end of mid slots. So the heat spreads better. If you keep them beside each other they will burn each other out faster.
PPS: I'm pretty sure the repair costs have to do with the build cost for SoCT BPs. Have a look ;)
@@evanray8413 Yeah we did speculate the ship repair was factored off the build cost which is silly small, though I don't think the bp/c actually exist. It does look like a decent battlecruiser could handle some of these, once i finally get them all in the rotation I will have a better idea. I have recorded at least one run of each mission so far, it is good intel for sorting out the fit and the plan. xD
@@daddex9222
I don't think Praxis BPCs are available to players but the Gnosis ones are, or at least were.
I remember back when I felt like going somewhere new or was moving around, I'd buy a Gnosis BPC and 1 Trit, put em in a frig and off I go.
Don't forget to spread your heat. Applies to hi-slots too. Put a salvager/probe launcher in the middle of your rack of turrets/launchers. Utility hi permitting ofc. Same for lo's tho not as much. Unless dual-repping.
Just discovered your channel. Love it. I'm trying to find an excuse to get out to low/null sec.
Also, I'll take either skin if I'm chosen. Ingame name: DCIL
hey hey DAD DEX like always the best eve teacher wee love your videos go go go capsuler ;-)
I do L4s to chill and ofcourse hopefully to get some valuable stuff. But also its a good way to try different fits and understand modules.
I would prefer the Rupture skin :) IGN: Dinaorta
I agree running the same sites in pretty controlled conditions is a great way to experiment and see what difference modules actually make. Fit screen numbers can be misleading and only trial and error really gets the data :) Skin code sent Fly Brave! o7
That is a lot cheaper hull then my Rattlesnake, but I still like my Rattler. Nice info and build................ ;-)
If repair costs are that low, how about insurance? I’ve seen ships that made no sense insuring at all, as it would just give you a handful of ISK (as in below 100 ISK or so)
Thanks for the tip with disabling auto-reload btw, that’s a real game changer
Nice video! Always fun to watch some chill mission running in alternative cheaper fits. I do lvl 4 missions when I want to make isk with very little stress, and I primarily use Domi, Raven, or Mach (slowly training to marauder). As for skins, I prefer maller then rupture. IGN: DarkTrooper 1
Skin code sent have fun! :)
IGN: Voidstrider. Mauller then Rupture. I do more mining and industry, so have not got enough standing to run LVL 4. I do follow friends in their lvl 4 mission to clean up their wrecks.
I do run the occasional lv4 but I mostly run lv3 security missions only because I have an agent in my home port in Jel. I wouldn't mind either skin.
Do you ever run field purgers? Just curious. As always great video. If I see you in local, I'll throw a hand up.
Yes, I used them on the wormhole drake and the praxis on the old emerging conduits. I have yet to really play with / balance these fits so they may make an appearance xD
May i ask why don't you use an active tank? I remember doing this mission in active tank raven and had no problems tanking the rats. Granted i was an alpah clone not to long ago. Any bs with xl booster & shield hardners will do the job.
I did the last missions in an active tank Raven, i found it way over tanked and very dull to use. Turning your hull into a battery compromises DPS a lot too. I did explain my thinking in the vid at various points, 2.50 is the first, same reason I used a Praxis and not a Faction BS. If I hadn't deliberately spawned the whole room it would have been fine too. I like to encourage players to push themselves and their fits, and actually pilot their ships. if you can't handle your Praxis taking a beating and keep it alive an Alpha is never gonna get through an Angels 5/10, and what are you gonna do the first time you get put into hull but still need to stay focused?! I mostly fly in low sec where fits will often not be optimised for a site because of the additional local hazards, but the site get done anyway. I also know how much more ISK i could be making there in a 10 mil dessie so these missions really are threat free light relief for me. Check the killboards to see how quickly those active tank fits die when they get caught xD
@@daddex9222 I used passive fit drake/raven in L3 missons in the past. its didnt go so well with passive fits for me
dps isnt everything to me.
having to warp away in order to not die and lose you're ship slow you down in process of completing a misson. having more dps is nice not gonna lie but its not everything unless you're sucide ganking.
I learned that active tanked fits are better . having a buffer/passive cant face tank stuff.sometimes you're webbed/scramed so you can't really run away until you kill the frigs that web/scram you and that take time .
you need to kite inorder to reduce the incoming dps in order to tank stuff. I had to in l3 missons with a drake.
this misson doesnt have such high dps .I'm pretty sure i faced tanked some of the damage. I know some pepople like diffrent play style I respect that.
maybe you can have better passive tank with 3 large purgers 2. tbh i never had max passive regen bs .I just had buffer tank drake/raven. you had 20 hp/s that nothing in term of regen. I guess you find it more fun this way to run missons.I watch you're raven/dni videos and other vids.
with my small experince with l4 missons . like 30-20 or so. some misson can have warp gate that send you in the middle of ton of bs/bc all attacking you. having passive tank mean you melt even faster than i do. i myself dont have good enough skills to run all the L4 misson i please due the lack of tank . I pick one i know can tank easily.
with buffer tank you cant last long if you take damage .the rats will wear you'r buffer down.
The point you have to have regen. pretty sure you know it. even with regen you have to pilot in some misson inorder to not die due to really high dps.unless you have active boss tank maruder/rattlesnake.
I myself had to kite even with active tank due to high dps due to my crappy skills in some missons.
@@happyhour5419 Passive Drake for missions is the way to go,Raven active tank.
Setting up ships for missions in .5 space and above is completely different to what you'll need in low sec.
Low sec, go in a ship you can afford to lose, it's that simple.
@@drekceldude pretty sure most people run missons in high sec in 0.5 systems or higher. I use a dc as a buffer on a armmagdon ,typoon ,Praxis and domi for buffer.
those are pve fits. I do fit a dc on some of my ships . for exmaple a worm with dc can survive the abyss easier . devoted knight , karybdis tyrannos wreacking shot, rogue drone bc. those dc would help. a dc saved me from a ganker in rouge drone event . i was in worm with dc and survived 2 cats.
I would rather have a mix of buffer and active repper.
as for pvp. i check the zkill for all sorts of fits .
That Maller skin looks amazing. IGN: Laacus Onzo *also, i definitely want to get into lvl 4s, looks relaxing
And now you have one of your own, code sent, have fun!
Thx Dad ! Great lesson ,i learn somthing new in every video u post. Love your coool style. ign Gorgas
Haha your last comments about if you have never been in hull you are playing too dull.... I was in my Navy Dominix once before I really should have been flying something that size and got away from a mission with 14 hull left and very very thankful..... haha
Wondering what ur opinion is on what the most profitable activity is in eve online??
Repair at player owned stations for free
if there is one in local yes :)
I've been out of Eve a while now, but passive tank on a BS wasn't a good idea, have things changed in 5 years.
It really depends on the application and what you want out of the run really. Active tank is still most popular with a lot of PVE and most mission runners, but a good active tank means less something else..... as I said in the vid i wasn't using 'that standard active tank fit' simply because it is dull, my Praxis does other stuff in other places and I also think players should get used to dealing with things getting a bit hectic in this kind of safe environment rather than 'for real' in low sec etc.
@@daddex9222 I put my account on hold about 5 years ago with my main character created in 2008, I've lived in nul space, for me Eve is 2 games in one, there's living in .5 and above space and there's null space.
Running missions in high sec is for me 1- making isk, salvaging for manufacturing and making my own ammo, I find this relaxing when my Tengu easily tanks L4's and so does my Raven.
Only way to pratice for low sec and null space is to go there, running missions will do little to prep a pilot for low security space.
@@daddex9222 Nice videos, keep em coming, just reactivated my account to Omega, so have to remember stuff and see what's new in Eve in 2021.
I dont usually use battleships, except in incursions where I run a WTM Starter Vindicator fit, but I could try this next time
IGN: Solitude Nox (Maller pls)
Working my way up to do lvl4 missions. Love the inputs you give. :)
Love the Mauller SKIN, as an Amarr pilot.
ING: Fluffisen
Incursions is one part of the game I never really looked at, I couldn't even figure out what the entry level was, all I got sent were faction BS fits. Is there no 'lower level' or are they just ignored?
@@daddex9222
WTM is Warp To Me. An incursion community. He is referring to their Minimum fit Vindi they require. Check out their website.
I've toyed with the idea a few times and did some research but haven't tried to get involved yet.
@@daddex9222 Eve Rookies Incursions run vanguard incursions twice a week, they have praxis fits and Ioan out ships for it. Otherwise the big groups have starter fits that aren't too hard to get in, they expect people to upgrade to keep flying with them though.
You got yourself a nice Maller skin ;) Fly Brave o7
Love watching your videos! I'd not yet gotten up to lvl 4 missions, so I enjoy watching you run them. I'll take either, prefer rupture. IGN Nate42 Vyvorant
I hate to be that guy but please dont use this fit there are so many things wrong with it. First of all if you dont have a reason to make a fit passive just dont do it. The only reason to make a fit passive is neut pressure and there is not a single lvl 4 mission that exerts heavy neut pressure. Second: if you passive fit something Purger rigs are a must. The fit shown in the video only tanks ~70 ehp/s against em the highest resist, just changing the rigs to t1 purgers increases tank to 83 ehp/ against all damage types. That is better but still really bad for a 4 slot investment.
Try something like this instead:
[Praxis, better paraxis]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Co-Processor II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Missile Guidance Computer II
Large Clarity Ward Enduring Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Large Cap Battery II
500MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Target Painter II
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
[Empty High slot]
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Ogre II x4
It has 166 ehp/s cap stable tank with the mwd off and its even a few mil cheaper.
I hate to be that guy but passive tank did the job and I made it clear the fit was not that kind of fit. Part of the point of my vids is that you do not need to min/max to do stuff, especially if you are not stuck in a rut. Also, knowing how to deal with your ship taking a beating is a very important skill. You go low sec in that fit and get neuted to death... the passive fit is way more flexible. Your fit is sound, it is just another option though xD
@@daddex9222 Sure a skiff with enough time would get the mission done too but that is not really the point. The video showed that your fit can do the mission obviously. My point was that the fit is bad. You can ofc fit your ships howerver you like but i was just pointing out to any new player that maybe wants to copy this fit why there are better options. And regarding lowsec if you apply 30 gj/s neut pressure to both fits they take exactly the same time to dry out. Since you run invulns for resists you will die at that point aswell so it isnt even superior in that regard.
Might I ask why the Cap Control Circuits? Is it to make the ship stable with the MWD on? is that necessary? Edit: Nevermind I had a medium booster equipped, whoops.
@@DragonMagi Cccs are sort of the default for active mission ships. Id like to mention that the fit is still not amazing and if you are new to missions you probably want to fit more tank for safety. Rapid heavies already apply quite well so you can probably drop the painter and guidance computer for more tank. Replacing one damage mod in the lows with a damage control gives your more timer to warp off wen shit hits the fan.
@@Thisone95 Thanks for the advice. I'm definitely still learning to fly it but it seems to work alright. I use the tank to pull range and then blast away at around 65km. I replaced one of the cccs with a processor overclock so I could fit a drone link aug and upgraded another one to t2. It's not stable anymore but it lasts almost and hour, which is fine since I don't have the booster on all the time anyway.
i'm doing lvl.4 missions in Gnosis but lot of reparations, need the station in system. Rupture skin for me please, pawelop my eve name
I like l4 missions. I do them for the faction mods. I go on the basis that every 10000 lp spent should give me 10 mil profit or greater.
Ign: Deft Ozuwara
Any skin is fine thx.