What a great episode. This guy was so smart, great at communicating complicated stuff while not talking down to any question. Really cool guy, and dwarkesh is a beast for sure.
this content belongs on the highest branches of the "hyperdimensional" perk tree of the galaxy brain meme in the universe where dimensions are an outdated concept and podcasts are communicated using quantum encryption to prevent the spread of information hazards. Hope I'm still around and sufficiently upgraded to understand them!!
Wow - what a phenomenal episode! It was incredibly thought provoking and full of fascinating insights ⭐ Some of Adam's observations made me feel like that bull rancher who didn't know what stars were - and that felt amazing!!! Thank you, Adam, for taking us on a brilliant 'mental hitchhiking' journey through your passion for physics and AI. You're an absolute legend, and I can't wait to hear more from you! 💙
Excellent interview. Question: (2:05:40) isn't the point that gravity is always making entropy increase as mass density increases because gravity makes extracting information more difficult? This fully manifests as information described by the area rather than boundary once a black hole is formed because the volume is fully inaccessible for the black hole? As soon as you have mass (the hard drive), gravity makes it more difficult to access the information, meaning that the amount of accessible information is reduced, so no longer fully described by the volume? So the only time volume actually accurately describes a region of space is when there is no energy density in that space?
I can't find anything out about Adam Brown or BlueShift by searching. He doesn't have a Google Scholar page, and he only has 6 publications on his google research page, none of which very important. Can't find linkedIn, or anything else really. Who is this dude?
2:30:42 - started down the extinction line and all I could think of was Rick Sanchez. None of the branches actually matter, losing one civilization doesn’t matter, loosing both and all civilization forever doesn’t matter. Everything is nothing. But then again, nothing is everything.
I love this! Absolutely wonderful guest and great episode! One question🤔 rather than using a space elevator or rope couldn’t you use an elliptical orbit to scoop energy from black hole event Horizon???😅
Does churning Dark Energy make sense? like if it expands universe then does reducing the dark energy by converting into something else make sense? Isn't that earlier in tech tree than changing constants of physics?
Slight change: in Schild’s Ladder, the characters aren’t intentionally trying to trigger vacuum decay. Also in Schild’s Ladder, the bubble expands into the parent universe as half the speed of light (very convenient for the plot, probably not as realistic)
How much can you get wrong in 5 minutes? 1:31:35 Apparently a lot. - Only did one pass over Nagasaki - The crew never got lost - "The third shot" was going to get dropped on Tokyo 11 days later, they had another - Again dropped on the first pass - They did not miss Nagasaki (How can anyway say that one?!) - They missed their planned aiming point (Not a strategic target, just the downtown) because of the clouds and once the clouds broke they aimed for a horse racing track between two factories that where labled as targets in their mission brief. Ground zero was within a few hundred feet of the track. - They were never going to be court-martialed. The pilot Charles Sweeney possibly (because of his decisions that caused the plane to be low on fuel) but none of the other crew, including the ones who dropped it. - Luis Alvarez was on a support plane for the Hiroshima mission not on the Enola Gay as implied here - Again dropped on first pass, there was no final run. - Doesn't really matter if they talked about dropping it or not, it didn't happen. Everyone in life has said "I'm going to xyz" and then when they go to do it think otherwise. No point in speculation on that. - "They should drop the bomb" Stanislav Petrov was supposed to relay the warning to a higher up, he was not in charge of the launch. Sounds like Adam went in with the idea already in his head that they weren't following orders. Why else twist this so much? 1:32:55 How can anyone think that? Let alone someone as well educated as Adam is.
You seem to be stating that phase transitions are possible given that sufficient state changes occur in various parts of the Universe. This seems very different than saying that the laws of physics can change.
Because they are language models not math models. They predict the next works based on incredibly accurate statistics which is the exact opposite of how math equations are solved.
"What will it take to train LLMs that can make Einstein level conceptual breakthroughs?" As with AlphaGo: find connective patterns in the data presented. They got time on their side. Humans got better things to do.
The frontier of physics involves what are called charge clusters, exotic vacuum objects (EVOs), condensed plasmoids (Lutz Jaitner's term), plasmoid (Bostick)... fractal toroidal bundles of electrons that can strip electrons out of any other atom, causing baryon decay and inducing transmutation and other LENR effects
This guy wants to trigger vacuum decay… to decrease inflation. You better make sure your vacuum decay trigger doesn’t destroy this universe at the speed of light. He’s talking about manipulating the values of physical constants. Not something I’d mess with personally… I’d rather risk an earlier heat death than mess around with vacuum decay
What he is suggesting is pretty far out, but one way of thinking about it basically amounts to mastering General Relativity for technological applications (e.g. cosmological engineering?) in the same way we use our understanding of electromagnetism to make computers.
I understand it's important to keep conversation not too intellectually heavy by asking some question like nagasaki and hitchhiking but please don't lower the intellectual content for getting more views or watchtime like other podcasters Instead you can go deeper and create more intellectual content
First. Time is a compactified dimension one single Planck second in size. This gives KaluzaKlein but with some additional characteristics. This creates a phase space of energy. Minima to maxima seems to be lambda to event horizon. These are the limits. And as is classical to closure, the limits connect. This creates a gradient with a catastrophe connecting limits. Void to event horizon is the long path. Event horizon to Void the short one. Quantum Cyclic Cosmology A homeostatic universe maintained by the reciprocal processes of electron capture and neutron infall at event horizons and free neutron emergence and decay in deep voids. A continuous flow Gravity gathers mass to event horizons All matter is made neutrons at event horizons because of electron capture. Infalling at c neutrons drop off their kinetic energy, c², as mass for event horizon. The neutron information/identity takes an EinsteinRosen bridge from highest energy pressure conditions to lowest energy density point of space where the quantum basement is lowest and easiest to penetrate. Free neutron emerges in deep void soon decays into amorphous monatomic hydrogen, proton electron soup in a Rydberg state, dark matter. The decay from neutron 0.6fm³ to 1m³ of amorphous monatomic hydrogen is a volume increase of around 10⁴⁵. Expansion. Dark energy. In time this amorphous hydrogen stabilizes and coalesces and fuses and falls towards an event horizon. Loop. Quantum Cyclic Cosmology. Time is a compactified dimension and everything else follows from this. This creates limits. AMF a distance between those limits, creating a gradient. A gradient which we call gravity. And there is an eternal flow over this topology
@@betabenja The first sufficiently deep local minima you encounter stops the process of change, because the energy required to leave it would be too large to occur spontaneously. The chance of happening to initialise in a place where your trajectory will lead to you the global minima diminishes to zero as the number of sufficiently deep minima increases.
@@bp56789 i know what local and global minima are and how they work. I don't think it is the general understanding of physicists that we are in a local minima, or even that there would be any way to tell, let alone for it to be universally accepted.
Dwarkesh, if Sabine Hossenfelder bothers to respond to Brown's argument that the laws of physics permit us to change the cosmological constant, then it's going to be humiliating for you and Brown, both. You do know, don't you, that there's been no empirical validation of any string theory or theory of quantum gravity? That's about all you need to know to recognize this [11:00] as bullshit: "It's a natural consequence of our best theories, or at least some of our best theories of quantum theory, that allow for this possibility. And there is a meta law of physics, the true laws of physics, be it string theory or whatever else, that you're not changing. That's just the rules of the game. What I'm describing is changing the way that the universe looks, changing the cosmological constant."
@@tommiest3769yea, acting like what sabine says is gospel is dumb I think. Also she doesn’t usually disagree with this stuff she says it isn’t testable
15 minutes in. This guy is either a sh*t communicator or a supergenius with an IQ multiple standard deviations higher than that of my own… still trying to figure out which one
Could we sent micro nano bionic and nanbionic robots using neutrino so they replicate them selves produce satellite and anteno and sent as electricity and research them selves send us what is happen in 29 trillion galaxies
9:45 wow, fascinating!!! imagine a future civilisation develops some kind of advanced atomic manipulation technology and use it to change the charge of all electrons in the universe. What would happen to life? Would water & other molecules vital to our survival even be able to exist with these new laws of chemistry?
I am deeply offended. Earth is beautiful and you shouldn't give up on Her. I don't know what it's going to take to make you realize that our planet is exceedingly rare. There isn't another planet even remotely like it! STOP LOOKING FOR OTHERS BECAUSE THIS IS IT! You must fix this beautiful planet that I made for y'all.
What a great episode. This guy was so smart, great at communicating complicated stuff while not talking down to any question. Really cool guy, and dwarkesh is a beast for sure.
Adam Brown is a modern man who possesses old-school dignity and high class. A wonderful and super-intelligent presenter.
Dwarkesh snorted some lines before this interview.
Based
I was gonna say haven’t you met any naturally high energy people but now that I watch it with video he does seem a bit swerved lol
He could just be excited... and maybe on a little adderrall
Actually he keeps rubbing his nose lol maybe you are correct
Was it powder made from physics textbooks because he is dialed in
Fascinating episode. Thanks for sharing a lot of deep insights on something beyond AI😅
dwarkesh coming out of the gate with super high energy. one wonders what they were just doing
this content belongs on the highest branches of the "hyperdimensional" perk tree of the galaxy brain meme in the universe where dimensions are an outdated concept and podcasts are communicated using quantum encryption to prevent the spread of information hazards. Hope I'm still around and sufficiently upgraded to understand them!!
Dwarkesh on Founder Mode 😤
Lovely snow this time of year ❄️🌨️⛷️
Wow this guy is very interesting/learned a lot. Kudos to Google
I love listening to this type of educational content... my anxiety rises, but it's worth it. 😅
What a banger, Adam is a super interesting dude to the point where you barely talked to him about AI.
I can feel this is going to be great from the intro
Agreed
Amazing interview! Thanks 🙏
Adam's hair and outfit needs its own flashback sitcom! Sweet.
This is my favorite Benedict Cumberbatch character!
Wow - what a phenomenal episode!
It was incredibly thought provoking and full of fascinating insights ⭐
Some of Adam's observations made me feel like that bull rancher who didn't know what stars were - and that felt amazing!!!
Thank you, Adam, for taking us on a brilliant 'mental hitchhiking' journey through your passion for physics and AI.
You're an absolute legend, and I can't wait to hear more from you! 💙
Wow what a fascinating conversation. My mind was blown countless times. My brain lacks the surface area for these topics though.
5 years to ASI is insane.
Exceptional content. This podcast keeps getting better...
1:42:19 "in love with their own theories" let that sink in
This Christmas present sweeps. No contest.
Learned a lot. Thank you both!
Excellent interview. Question: (2:05:40) isn't the point that gravity is always making entropy increase as mass density increases because gravity makes extracting information more difficult? This fully manifests as information described by the area rather than boundary once a black hole is formed because the volume is fully inaccessible for the black hole? As soon as you have mass (the hard drive), gravity makes it more difficult to access the information, meaning that the amount of accessible information is reduced, so no longer fully described by the volume? So the only time volume actually accurately describes a region of space is when there is no energy density in that space?
I can't find anything out about Adam Brown or BlueShift by searching. He doesn't have a Google Scholar page, and he only has 6 publications on his google research page, none of which very important. Can't find linkedIn, or anything else really. Who is this dude?
He published many papers with heavy-weights such as Leny Susskind or Geoff Pennington.
Many of the best researchers don't want to be in the spot light, as it distracts from their work.
He's clearly from a differently vacuumed cosmos.
My favorite new channel discovery of 2024.
A far future society triggering vacuum decay events to create new universes to the avoid the heat death sounds like a great premise for a sci novel.
Greg Egan’s Schild’s Ladder is related: physicists trigger vacuum decay accidently and debate whether to try and stop it as it eats the universe
yet another classic
I’m now torn between this episode and history with Dr Askell. Though I’ve watched that episode with her about four times so far 😅
45:12 "notation as a tool of thought"
Its a hour in and I am already scared of any quantum fluctuations making a vacuum bubble in my bedroom.
I checked under your bed and there are no vacuum bubbles under there, so don't worry.
If it helps you won't have any warning because it would be moving at the speed of light.
I see Vaclav Smil on your bookshelf 👀 You should try to get him on!
2:30:42 - started down the extinction line and all I could think of was Rick Sanchez. None of the branches actually matter, losing one civilization doesn’t matter, loosing both and all civilization forever doesn’t matter. Everything is nothing. But then again, nothing is everything.
love this vid!!!
I love this! Absolutely wonderful guest and great episode! One question🤔 rather than using a space elevator or rope couldn’t you use an elliptical orbit to scoop energy from black hole event Horizon???😅
this guy talks amazingly
Does churning Dark Energy make sense? like if it expands universe then does reducing the dark energy by converting into something else make sense? Isn't that earlier in tech tree than changing constants of physics?
Guy's out here trying to manifest the plot of Schild's Ladder
Slight change: in Schild’s Ladder, the characters aren’t intentionally trying to trigger vacuum decay. Also in Schild’s Ladder, the bubble expands into the parent universe as half the speed of light (very convenient for the plot, probably not as realistic)
Did he just say we could potentially get super intelligence in 5 years? 🤯
Michio kaku did this shtick 14 years earlier. None of what he claims is "physics" is anything confirmed or even consensus speculation
6:57 Dwarkesh is on snow ❄️😅
How much can you get wrong in 5 minutes? 1:31:35 Apparently a lot.
- Only did one pass over Nagasaki
- The crew never got lost
- "The third shot" was going to get dropped on Tokyo 11 days later, they had another
- Again dropped on the first pass
- They did not miss Nagasaki (How can anyway say that one?!)
- They missed their planned aiming point (Not a strategic target, just the downtown) because of the clouds and once the clouds broke they aimed for a horse racing track between two factories that where labled as targets in their mission brief. Ground zero was within a few hundred feet of the track.
- They were never going to be court-martialed. The pilot Charles Sweeney possibly (because of his decisions that caused the plane to be low on fuel) but none of the other crew, including the ones who dropped it.
- Luis Alvarez was on a support plane for the Hiroshima mission not on the Enola Gay as implied here
- Again dropped on first pass, there was no final run.
- Doesn't really matter if they talked about dropping it or not, it didn't happen. Everyone in life has said "I'm going to xyz" and then when they go to do it think otherwise. No point in speculation on that.
- "They should drop the bomb" Stanislav Petrov was supposed to relay the warning to a higher up, he was not in charge of the launch.
Sounds like Adam went in with the idea already in his head that they weren't following orders. Why else twist this so much? 1:32:55 How can anyone think that? Let alone someone as well educated as Adam is.
You seem to be stating that phase transitions are possible given that sufficient state changes occur in various parts of the Universe. This seems very different than saying that the laws of physics can change.
Does anyone have video recommendations for people talking about controlled vacuum decay?
I listened to this at 3.5X but I listened to it twice
I legit thought I had the playback speed higher than normal when the interview began.
My 2 favourite podcasters- Lex Fridman and Dwarkesh Patel
Are black holes lossless or lossy compressors?
The interesting thing is that LLMs are good at describing very advanced physics but struggle when asking them to solve advanced physics equations.
Because they are language models not math models. They predict the next works based on incredibly accurate statistics which is the exact opposite of how math equations are solved.
Why can't people like this be in charge of the world? It would be a much better place.
Sabine is always entertaining
"What will it take to train LLMs that can make Einstein level conceptual breakthroughs?" As with AlphaGo: find connective patterns in the data presented. They got time on their side. Humans got better things to do.
The frontier of physics involves what are called charge clusters, exotic vacuum objects (EVOs), condensed plasmoids (Lutz Jaitner's term), plasmoid (Bostick)... fractal toroidal bundles of electrons that can strip electrons out of any other atom, causing baryon decay and inducing transmutation and other LENR effects
That all sounds very interesting. Where are you getting this from?
He mentioned LENR so it's probably quack stuff.
02:20 "Dark Energy" ... 😆
AKA: "we don't know how this works. but definitely keep funding us to think deeply about it; suckers!"
Watching it further, Dwarkesh did this come out before or after OpenAI announced o3??
filmed and out after
For all we know earlier civilizations already did this and we are here as a result ...
This guy wants to trigger vacuum decay… to decrease inflation. You better make sure your vacuum decay trigger doesn’t destroy this universe at the speed of light. He’s talking about manipulating the values of physical constants. Not something I’d mess with personally… I’d rather risk an earlier heat death than mess around with vacuum decay
What he is suggesting is pretty far out, but one way of thinking about it basically amounts to mastering General Relativity for technological applications (e.g. cosmological engineering?) in the same way we use our understanding of electromagnetism to make computers.
A bubble or a vacuum sounds a lot like a Markov blanket.
Dwarkesh, have you considered interviewing Stephen Wolfram?
I have not found Wolfram’s work to be very interesting, he’s stuck in an intellectual local minimum of cellular automata and hypergraphs
It’s Battle Mountain Nevada
probably Battle Mountain, Nevada, not the admittedly more bad-ass Battle Station, Nevada as said
I understand it's important to keep conversation not too intellectually heavy by asking some question like nagasaki and hitchhiking but please don't lower the intellectual content for getting more views or watchtime like other podcasters
Instead you can go deeper and create more intellectual content
Electric field may accelerate BH evaporation!
Did somebody count how often Dwarkesh did touch his nose?
First. Time is a compactified dimension one single Planck second in size.
This gives KaluzaKlein but with some additional characteristics.
This creates a phase space of energy. Minima to maxima seems to be lambda to event horizon. These are the limits. And as is classical to closure, the limits connect. This creates a gradient with a catastrophe connecting limits. Void to event horizon is the long path. Event horizon to Void the short one.
Quantum Cyclic Cosmology
A homeostatic universe maintained by the reciprocal processes of electron capture and neutron infall at event horizons and free neutron emergence and decay in deep voids.
A continuous flow
Gravity gathers mass to event horizons
All matter is made neutrons at event horizons because of electron capture.
Infalling at c neutrons drop off their kinetic energy, c², as mass for event horizon.
The neutron information/identity takes an EinsteinRosen bridge from highest energy pressure conditions to lowest energy density point of space where the quantum basement is lowest and easiest to penetrate.
Free neutron emerges in deep void soon decays into amorphous monatomic hydrogen, proton electron soup in a Rydberg state, dark matter.
The decay from neutron 0.6fm³ to 1m³ of amorphous monatomic hydrogen is a volume increase of around 10⁴⁵.
Expansion.
Dark energy.
In time this amorphous hydrogen stabilizes and coalesces and fuses and falls towards an event horizon.
Loop. Quantum Cyclic Cosmology.
Time is a compactified dimension and everything else follows from this.
This creates limits. AMF a distance between those limits, creating a gradient. A gradient which we call gravity.
And there is an eternal flow over this topology
What happened to the 2 thumbnail competitions you've done, why are there no winners or runner ups?
Or one could take blackholes, arrange them in a geometric pattern to blue shift the space.
Wishful thinking.
6:40 "according to our understanding .. the minima we see today is in fact a local minima" - total bullshit
Why not? If it weren't, we'd decay into the local minimum spontaneously.
@@bp56789 local minima as opposed to a global minima. I don't think he was suggesting we're not in a minima at all
@@betabenja The first sufficiently deep local minima you encounter stops the process of change, because the energy required to leave it would be too large to occur spontaneously. The chance of happening to initialise in a place where your trajectory will lead to you the global minima diminishes to zero as the number of sufficiently deep minima increases.
@@bp56789 i know what local and global minima are and how they work. I don't think it is the general understanding of physicists that we are in a local minima, or even that there would be any way to tell, let alone for it to be universally accepted.
@@betabenja if the fine tuning problem is resolved by the anthropic principle, that would strongly imply we’re at a local minimum.
Dwarkesh, if Sabine Hossenfelder bothers to respond to Brown's argument that the laws of physics permit us to change the cosmological constant, then it's going to be humiliating for you and Brown, both.
You do know, don't you, that there's been no empirical validation of any string theory or theory of quantum gravity? That's about all you need to know to recognize this [11:00] as bullshit: "It's a natural consequence of our best theories, or at least some of our best theories of quantum theory, that allow for this possibility. And there is a meta law of physics, the true laws of physics, be it string theory or whatever else, that you're not changing. That's just the rules of the game. What I'm describing is changing the way that the universe looks, changing the cosmological constant."
Maybe, maybe not. Sabine has a video in which she says she thinks faster-than-light travel is not impossible.
@@tommiest3769 Positively botzoid.
@@tommiest3769yea, acting like what sabine says is gospel is dumb I think. Also she doesn’t usually disagree with this stuff she says it isn’t testable
Sabina is a shill. Just check out Professor Dave's debunk of some of her stuff.
Was this interview before or after OpenAI announced o3??
"Weird tensor math"? There is nothing "weird" about tensors or the mathematics of tensors. It's just tedious and at a higher level, interesting.
15 minutes in.
This guy is either a sh*t communicator or a supergenius with an IQ multiple standard deviations higher than that of my own… still trying to figure out which one
Why are all the fun people now at Stanford University it's so not fair😅😅😅😅😅
Goat
Could we sent micro nano bionic and nanbionic robots using neutrino so they replicate them selves produce satellite and anteno and sent as electricity and research them selves send us what is happen in 29 trillion galaxies
Is this episode sped up like 5% or 10%? Their body language looks a little too... jittery. Maybe it's the coffee
why tf is he wearing Luigi Mangeioni's court room outfit? lmao
Simulation confirmed
he is colorblind (for real)
who's got a free voice changer i can use?
9:45 wow, fascinating!!! imagine a future civilisation develops some kind of advanced atomic manipulation technology and use it to change the charge of all electrons in the universe.
What would happen to life? Would water & other molecules vital to our survival even be able to exist with these new laws of chemistry?
My guess: probably not. This is the fine tuning problem.
Very interesting but idk. I think god would get mad at us
hello based department
hitchhiking part was unnecessary.
please talk less about personal stuff
II would be stoked if I picked this guy up hitch hiking. I’d drive cross country just to listen to him and ask him questions.
bro plz learn about the rule or 3rds this interview is painful to watch.
I am deeply offended. Earth is beautiful and you shouldn't give up on Her. I don't know what it's going to take to make you realize that our planet is exceedingly rare. There isn't another planet even remotely like it! STOP LOOKING FOR OTHERS BECAUSE THIS IS IT! You must fix this beautiful planet that I made for y'all.
Dwarkesh, you keep touching your face. Particularly your nose. Stop doing that. Chill
Utter nonsense.
Nearly as bad as Avi Loeb.