Thanks for turning me on to the Hollie Cook, I really like that! As for the TT, I was already into that.....I've ordered the Audio Technica, can't WAIT to get it!!
There's so many places that are completely wrong. I would love to setup a group but I am a bit too political for being in a Facebook group with "all of the audiophiles", haha. I am happy you are happy! Make sure you check my "quick and dirty anti skating setup" video
Interesting coincidence. My father have a Thorens, just like your's, and I just bought myself an AudioTechnica AT-LP120x. The Thorens brings me some very cool childhood memories.
Nice unboxing; your accent somehow sounds Dutch (je klinkt nederlands). My first turntable was a Reloop RP-2000 MK3 and it was similar to this one in many ways. The tonearm assembly, the dodgy strobe indicator, the platter without magnet. It didn't come with a dustcover because it is a DJ turntable, but when I sold it to my parents, they wanted a dustcover, so I bought a Reloop dustcover for them. It has that exact same type of hinges, detachable on both sides, with those plastic squares that go into the dustcover slots.
I'm glad that Hanpin makes good entry-level stuff for DJs it keeps the turntabling scene open to young starters. But those Hanpin things with the FU-700 toneams (like on the suitcase players or ATLP60) are nasty.
Jak ja nie mogę znieść jak ludzie uderzają palcami w klawisze, przyciski jakiegokolwiek sprzętu audio. Wystarczy delikatnie dotknąć, nadusić, włączyć... Posiadałem wiele sprzętu audio, jak go sprzedawałem to ludzie nie mogli uwierzyć, że ten sprzęt był w ogóle używany. A sam gramofon świetny.
For the 120x, I swapped mats for a rubber one & switched to a Ortofon 2M Blue cartridge...also using a ART USB pre-amp instead of the built in one......musical bliss !
2m blue (or any 2m) is a severe mismatch with this arm, you are torturing that poor cart. The compliance of the cantilever's suspension is way too high for a medium-heavy arm. In all honesty, upgrading the AT-VM95E to an AT-VM95ML (by swapping the stylus) would have been a much bigger upgrade and it would actually have worked. It would've been so easy ;). As for the rubber mat; Try a Tonar Perspex one, worth while!
@@rollingtroll I set the 2m at 1.8 grams (as per instructions). This is the recommended anti balance weight for any turntable (Technics, AT, Rega, etc...) It works out fine....no damage to the needle. The AT-VM95's are always set at 2.0
@@dm95422 It's not about the vertical tracking force, it's about the lateral forces of a heavy arm, the effective weight of the arm will still move left and right, pulling the cantilever from side to side. Light arms are for high compliance cartridges, heavy arms for low compliance cartridges. If you mess that up, not only does it not sound great, but you will destroy the suspension of your cartridge in a matter of no time I'm afraid. It's easy to sell the 2m blue for the price of what the ML stylus for the AT-VM95E costs.
Thank you for correcting me. I probably have a defective Neoteck Digital Turntable Stylus Force Scale Gauge 0.01g/5.00g. I just stick to the Audio Technica manual and set the tracking gauge at 2 gram and so is the dial weight of the tone arm. Et voila, deeper bass, warm voice even fron Rush 2012 Album.
I'm looking to upgrade to a new record player and was thinking of grabbing this one are there speakers you suggest I get with the AT-LP120X? I do have a budget and was looking at bookshelf speakers but wondering my best option.
First i thought this was a decent Record player , my friend has one, but when i got hold of a 1975 Sanyo direct drive,strobo,varispeed weighting in at 8 kg and compared it to the AudioTech lp120x using the same audio technica green pickup - There was absolutely no competition. The Sanyo annihalated the LP120 on all acounts. It cost med 30 euros and another 40 for the new AT pickup. Goes to show that carefully constructed record players using the right kind of material and putting high spec material were its most needed ( Tonearm, acoustic insulation) are the most needed
The Sanyo probably would cost 900 euros today ;). And trust me, there's way better out there for little than a (n, I assume) midrange Japanese direct drive!
@@rollingtroll Just finished the calculations. Its 687 Dollars adjusted to inflation. In Germany you were paid an median wage of 821 Dollars/monthly. Quite the price ! 75% of a monthly wage ! The reason I got this Sanyo 1020 for 30 bucks is because nobody wants a lowly "Sanyo" even if its a great piece, a real sleeper rivaling far more costly "High End" from Technics,Marantz,Sony and Pioneer. I have to admit that Sanyo did its best to destroy their reputation with cheap mass produced plasticy things, but in the 70´s theu made great stuff. The Sanyo DCA-Range of integrated amps are really special and well built.
Hi sir I don’t know if you will pick up on this comment but I have recently acquired this deck for playing 78 records . I have a rega new p3 as my main TT but having been gifted some unplayed 78s I thought I’d use this with a high quality 78 cart to give them opportunity to give of their best but of course I thought I’d just give it a go out of the box with a standard LP . And yes I was pleasantly surprised , to the point of thinking if I was to install a half decent cartridge it would give the p 3 a definite run for the money . Yes like you I’m not using the inbuilt phone stage and have used better phono cables , but all things considered this is a good starting point for anyone venturing into the world of hifi and who knows how far it could be pushed . Ps I had to smile as you did all the things I’d never dream of ie stop and start with the record in play , but you obviously know what you doing Best wishes and kind regards 😀👍
Reading you loud and clear! Should be perfectly fine for 78's. Before you spend too much on a 78rpm cart; Don't forget that there is a shellack stylus for the cart this record player comes with. May I ask which phono preamp you decided to use? No worries about stopping the platter with a record on it, it won't hurt either record nor stylus. It would hurt the stylus is braking force was too high and the record were to spin back, as an elliptical stylus works like a barb that way. That's why DJ styli, which allow you to 'backspin', are always conical. Same on both sides! Enjoy your AT-LP120x!
this video put me on Hollie Cook's music so thanks for that first of all. I just bought this record player still waiting for my speakers (havent bought a single record yet because of corona - i wanna do it properly and crate dig instead of ordering online) - thanks so much for the review!
nice touch with the line in trick. good video, I know what i'm getting myself into now, it looks like a decent quality player. One thing better or worse it does appear to be much lighter than the solid block of aluminum that the Technics get formed or milled out of. Liked / shared.
Thanks! It's definitely lighter than the technics but the technics has a slab of lead in it to make it heavier. The lightness actually adds musicality in this case, weirdly. I have to admit, build quality of the AT could be better. My lift already got some issues a few months in and by now I've replaced it with an SL-1500, but it was a cool experiment and everyone I know who has one is really happy about it :)
Hi man thanks for this. I set up mine this afternoon. I have a question in case you or someone can give me a suggestion. I found the arm balance easily but the issue is that when i found that balance by chance or no idea how the corresponding number on the counterweight was already zero. So i just left it like that and turned the counterweight until no. 2 and adjusted the anti skate at 2 as suggested by an official set up video i found on you tube. Do you think that is ok? It seems working fine i just want to do the correct thing not to damage the cartridge or the vinyls. Thanks for your suggestion.
Hey not sure if this is too late, but it is 100% fine. Same happened with my second setup. I purchased a digital stylus reader and it's almost 2 grams on the dot so it works.
That said; I set up multiple record players per month, so it will probably take a bit longer if you don't regularly do this, but it's still easy peasy. Do check my 'quick and dirty anti skating setup' video though! They don't tell you that in the manual ;). If you are going to use it for DJ'ing purposes, go for a Reloop. For hifi, this one is bang for the buck! And for the money the Technics cost you have way, way better hifi record players :)
@@rollingtroll hey thanks for the very quick reply bro :) , had to sell my old technics and CDJ's years back so itching to just play my vinyl at home again so this should be perfect, looked at the PLX-500 but some say the on/off has faults, generally most say this LP120 is really good
@@richardsunday1612 There's no good reason to buy a PLX500. The 1000 is fine but honestly not much better than a Reloop RP7000 so I'd definitely grab that for DJ'ing. For home audio the ATLP120x is great, it's just not a DJ turntable, it only has the looks. That said, if it's just hi-fi you are looking for; If you are in the US, don't forget the U-Turn Orbit. Great little no-nonsense player. That's what I would buy if I just wanted to play records on a half decent stereo ;).
I'm looking to upgrade from my first turntable which is the AT-LP60. I've had great luck with it over the past year and it has been a great start into record collecting, but it's still very low end and some records just don't play as well as others to the point where I don't even bother with them--and I've noticed those are the ones with a ton of needle talk which may or may not be a correlation..I digress.. I've been eyeing the AT-LP120XUSB. Should I go for the 120xusb (I'm assuming it's very similar to the one in the video here)? Would it be much of an improvement over the LP60? I'm getting a bit weary since there are so many options that are much better (and obviously more expensive) but I thoroughly enjoy the physical format and I'm on a really tight budget unfortunately. 🙁 I've heard people praise and hate on the the turntable, but I was just wondering how it might compare to the LP60. If it's a noticeable difference then I'll be set.. not worrying about potential buyer's remorse. I'm greatly appreciative for any feedback and help. Thanks.
What's the rest of your setup right now? Also, have you considered cleaning your records? :). There's extensive methods of doing this, but honestly a damp micro fibre cloth and then a clean kitchen towel to dry (of course follow the direction of the grooves :)) already does an awful lot. And a new inner sleeve, of course.
@@rollingtroll Ah, thanks for the reply! Currently just Logitech Z625 powered speakers (which should be upgraded later, but even some digital formats of the same music sound better through these than several of my newer records). I've gone through extensive research on cleaning methods. Personally I take a soft cloth and clean in circular motions with a 50/50 mix of 91% isopropyl alcohol and distilled water. I then spray pure distilled water and let them air dry so as to remove any fine lint left behind by the "lint-free" microfiber/soft towels. It seems to have worked well on my older, record store finds. For instance, I have 2 modest mouse records..both are noticably thicker than my other LPs and they have produce a ton sibilance and distortion. Same for my Hell Freezes Over-Eagles LP, Hotel California, Greatest Hits by Fleetwood Mac, Led Zeppelin IV, Who's Next, Afterburner-ZZ Top (near end of side and especially on the last track of each side), Cosmo's Factory-CCR. All are generally thicker than some other newer and older records I have. And all appear to be in excellent shape with absolutely no warping not scratches or anything visible to the naked eye at least. I was thinking maybe the lp120 with it's stock and future upgradable cartridge and stylus...plus the stock one is recommended to track at 2 grams. I don't know. I could be wrong in my assumptions, but... I'm a little upset with all of these records sounding absolutely horrible and I feel like it would be insane bad luck that so many of my records would be bad pressings. Any input or suggestions helps me out a lot. Thanks!
Does it still have the caps inline on the phono out on this newer model? I have the LP120USB (the older version with the weak anti-skate spring), and am considering maybe getting the newer LP120XUSBBT, or whatever they're calling it. From what I can see on-line, the overall fit and finish on my older version seems nicer, but sound quality is the main concern, and there is a slight noise whine on my table. Thanks.
There are two tiny inline caps on the output traces of the older 120USB, along with two inline inductors ...these can be easily and successfully removed, which improves the performance when using the built-in preamp, and make it totally silent (as though it's not there) if running out to an external preamp/amp setup.... If you do the mod, you need small jumper wires to bridge the gap left by the inductors. It's quick and easy to do. This video: ruclips.net/video/4NT67ii04uQ/видео.html shows the positions of the offending parts, before he then goes and takes out the whole thing!! You don't need to do that. Remove those 4 small items, and your LP120 will sound as though that poor existing preamp has been removed ! I did this to mine, and it's SO much better for it..!! :-) Hopefully the new LP120X version doesn't have any inline caps/inductors in the (as quoted) improved preamp.. ;-)
Is the box quite heavy to carry? I ordered one for collection at my local store, and I got to carry it all the way back to my house, but the thing is that I’m tiny....
So it is recommended for home / practice use ? I can't get my hands on a pair of SL1200 for a decent price so I'm still searching for some ''cheaper'' alternatives like this one or the PLX 500 ... I just want a pair of decks and practice at home and don't want to spend a lot. Let me know !
Absolutely. If you want to buy new, this is without a doubt the most sound for your money. Alternatively you could look at the U-turn orbit if you are in the US or Canada.
@@rollingtroll I am in singapore and it cost 438 over here. So i am hesitant with purchasing it. I doubt it will be on sale during black friday :( though but man your review make me want to purchase it now
@@aaronramsey8079 I was also thinking the same as you bro. It's much more expensive here is SG. Sony PS-HX500 here cost almost S$800 whereas overseas it cost ard a $100. Planning to buy this someyime ard next year.
I am planning on buying this exact turntable, do I need speakers? I plan on using it just to listen in my room, nothing big, can fit a full size bed and a dresser. If I need speakers, any good recommendations that won’t break my bank but still sound good? Sorry this will be my first time buying a record player and I’m excited!
You need speakers and an amplifier, or speakers with a built in amplifier (officially these are called active speakers or powered speakers). Old desktop computer speakers will work just fine. You can even buy them new for cheap. Logitech has very acceptable ones for under 50 USD. Or maybe you already have a Bluetooth speaker? With an RCA to minijack cable (2-5 USD) you can also hook it up to every Bluetooth speaker that has an aux in. I highly recommend the IKEA Eneby 20 for that. The thing is stupidly good for the money. The record player itself has no built in speakers. If you want to save some money though and you don't care about looks too much, consider the atlp60. It's way smaller and has the same basic functionality. You will still need speakers though!
The Rolling Troll someone had mentioned these speakers on amazon that are the Micca PB42X powered speakers with a built in amp that are $120 on amazon!!!! The thing I’m kind of afraid of is buying these speakers and having it just sound like I’m playing music off of my phone.... Maybe I’m just overthinking it but do record people like the sound of the music played from a record player or it just for the cool vinyl collecting and for using the record player itself. And no I don’t have a Bluetooth speaker 😭 so now I’m debating...should I buy a Bluetooth speaker with the cord you mentioned or is there a cool speaker that can give the vinyls a “vintage” sound. Sorry I probably sound so silly 😹
@@Roniv664 A pair of speakers are definitely not going to sound like your phone, no worries :). Audio hasn't sounded specifically "vintage" since the sixties, really sound hasn't changed much in the last 60 years. I don't know the speakers that you mention but I'm sure they will perform fine. If there's an IKEA near you I would give the Eneby 20 a try, with a cable. It's a safe bet at 60 bucks and it sounds better than most affordable speakers. It also looks retro. You can always upgrade down the line, the record player will be ready for it ;).
The Rolling Troll awesome thanks!!! I’ll go for the eneby and I’ll buy the linked cord ^. Thanks for all the information and saving me $60 with speakers :P
That depends on so many things that I cannot just answer. First; Amplifier, not receiver. It's always the better option. Less compromise. Second; If you want stereo, go for a stereo amplifier, not surround. Because again, compromise. Avoid Sony, sound-wise. Look for the slightly more upmarket brands if you have a little money to spend (Rotel, NAD, Cambridge, Yamaha, Arcam, Audiolab). Also consider if you need an amplifier. Are you just going to hook up a record player? YOu may as well get active speakers (speakers with built in amplifier). If you don't want that and you only have very little to spend, Yamaha and Pioneer make sub-200 dollar amps that are not shit. If you don't mind second hand, go for something that's less than 25 years old, amplifiers don't age gracefully. The NAD 3020E is a great affordable amp, but most Pioneer and Technics amps from the nineties sound really not bad at all. Yamaha is a solid second hand bet as well. Bare in mind that record players give off a very low signal unless they have a built in preamplifier. This AT-LP120x has a built in pre, and a good one at that. If you buy another record player that doesn't have this, make sure your amplifier either has one (easy to see, it will have an imput market 'phono') or get a seperate preamp (the Analogis EasyPhono is available everywhere and not bad for the price). As for speakers; The smaller your room, the smaller your speakers. Big speakers produce big bass and big bass has a long wavelength, it will just reach the end of your room, bounce back and cancel itself out. Usually people have speakers that are too big for the room. Klipsch has nice new options, but second hand, depending where you are, the Boston A25, Wharfedale diamond III and Philips 482/483 are great speakers. If you have a slightly bigger room (say at least 25m2) you could look at the Tannoy R2. Amazing speaker, cheap as chips, but it does demand a solid amplifier so don't skim on that too much. There's loads of speakers out there that are good and overlooked so I could make this post into a full book. Let me know - Budget - Room dimensions (length x width) - What you have right now and how you like it
The Rolling Troll thanks for replying! This will be a gift. I'm planning on buying the AT LP 120X with the Yamaha RS 202BL. The living room is medium size and we live in an apartment. I was thinking of the Klipsch bookshelf or floor speakers. Not sure if I'm missing anything for that set up or just generally
@@claudiareyes9036 Is there a reason you're not going for the A-S201 by Yamaha? If there's no reason, grab that one ;). "Medium size" is a hard one to respond to. Do you have dimensions for me? Doesn't have to be too precise. I personally think the cheap, small Klipsch speakers outperform the cheap, bigger Klipsch speakers. If you want floorstanders, go one model line up with Klipsch, or consider a pair of second hand Tannoy R2. If you don't mind second hand, the Tannoy M2 is also a really nice, slightly larger bookshelf. If you find (or create, anything goes as long as it's solid and a bit heavy) some nice stands to put them on, they may be exactly right for a 'medium sized' room, if there's ever such a thing :D. That said, if you are comparing speakers at a shop somewhere, don't forget to also check ELAC and Boston Acoustics. Also if you don't listen loud at home, don't listen loud during your test. Speakers tend to get obtrusive when playing at lower levels, loud is easy :D. The only thing I'd like to recommend you is to not go for the cheapest speaker cables. Anything with a 2.5mm2 core made of oxygen free copper is absolutely acceptable. Price wise you should be able to get that well under 3 dollars US (not sure where you are) per meter. Also make sure your speaker cables are of equal length. The longer the cable, the more sound you will lose (cables have a resistance) so all of your sound will pull to one side with two different lengths. Enjoy :D.
Thank you for the video and the updates in comment The Rolling Troll. Can you do another video or share the name of the amp you are using and/or recommend. Also a video of your whole setup will be nice.
Nad C320. Great affordable amp. Usually with broken speaker relais though. If you can solder you can get these real cheap because of that. My other amp is an Ayre K3/Audio Analogue Donizetti combo. What you are seeing here is my hobbyroom setup.
Just bought one of these and it has a flat sound - when you said “going to give you line input sound” what did you do? The sound improved significantly. Mine sounds like yours did before you made the line input change.
I switched from the sound the camera picked up from the speakers, to the sound directly into the computer. So yeah, that's not something that should be an issue with you. What exactly did you hook it up to?
I am running it through a Yamaha RX V379 receiver. The sound from the turntable has slightly less fidelity than when I stream a song into it via Bluetooth from my iPhone. I thought it would be equal to better on vinyl.
@@zilksmooth oh it's a lot better than an iPhone or anything Bluetooth. But depending on what music you play the artist may not have cared about the vinyl too much. The bigger the artist, the worse the record usually sounds. You can't just put a digital master on a vinyl record and unfortunately that's what happens regularly.
@@rollingtroll thanks for the input. The artist is The Black Keys - The Big Come Up. I would have thought they would have had good quality vinyl, but maybe not this particular pressing.
@@zilksmooth sounds fine here! Should easily outperform anything through Bluetooth. I can't imagine you got this wrong but let's still check; which input did you hook it up to and what did you set the Line/phono switch to on the back of the record player?
was thinking to get this one (found one on line reduced ) or a Project in the same price range. which one would u suggest? i like that Projects are made in Europe too............and have a unique style...........but not sure. cheers
There's nothing unique about the style of the pro-jects, REGA came up with that style ;). I would definitely go AT then, although I personaly would go for a second hand option :).
@@rollingtroll Depends on the camera. Higher end cameras have shutter rates that can sync to any refresh rate, but they are expensive. What I'm referring to, though, is the rows of dots on the platter, one of which appears to be motionless in the light for each of the turntable's three speeds. I've seen a video where they each show up very well. Anyway, it's a minor point. Your video was very helpful!
You cannot scratch with this record player, at all. This is a hifi turntable, not a DJ turntable. It just looks like it. It does not have the torque, or build quality for that. If you want something affordable that is actually meant for scratching, look at Reloop, look at Synq, look at Numark. Should you want to go Audiotechica, the AT-LP140x (140, not 120) is meant for more rugged use. This absolutely is not.
Hi The Rolling Troll, thank you very much for the video and for all the answers to the comments. Very helpful. A couple of months ago I bought the AT-LP120XUSB. It's truly a great turntable that I enjoy very much. Nevertheless I did a couple of upgrades partially based on your video and the comments (Tonar Perspex Mat, AT-VMN95ML, AT-618 record stabilizer, tonearm dampening fluid...), but I still have a couple of questions. First of all concerning the alignment. I bought a Tonar protractor and a Schön Schablone. Using these two tools I come up with a setting in which the cartridge is almost all the way up in the head shell. Where as originally it came with the cartridge perfectly in the middle, now it has moved to the outer edge with less than 2mm left. Is this normal? Secondly concerning the anti-skating. I bought the Ortofon test record and the last couple of tracks are designed to set the VTF and the anti-skating (by ear). The cartridge should be able to track the test signals (315 HZ recorded at increasing pick amplitudes of 50, 60, 70, 80, 90 and 100 micrometers) without distortion. According to the instructions, if both the right and the left channel fail to track properly the VTF should be increased. In case of differing tracking ability in the left and right channel, anti-skating needs to be readjusted. I have to go all the way up to a VTF of 2,2gr and an anti-skating setting of 2,25 to get the AT-LP120XUSB and the VM95ML to play the track of 100 micrometer without distortion. Again; is this a realistic setting? And are there any drawbacks to a hight VTF? Finally, in the comments you refer to a method for setting the anti-skating using a test record and a oscilloscope (device or software). Can you point me in the direction of a tutorial or something dealing with this. And do you think that the Ortofon test record is suitable for this method? Thank you very much.
Nice video! How do you put on the pitch led (quartz)?? I don´t know if mine is not working or I am doind something wrong. because the led never turns red...
@@BoSs86 The good news is; It sounds better without quartz lock. The question is though; Is it broken, or is it the LED? If you put the pitch control all the way up or down and then press the quartz button, does it make any difference? It should to back to perfect pitch with quartz on.
I don't know, I'm still skeptical based on my experience with my LP120. I know everyone says the new LP120X resolved the other issues. Personally I would think that Thorens is still the better turntable. I will say for sure, your motor should be starting up much faster than what I saw. This is why I moved away from AT. Whether it's VTA, anti-skate, buttons that eventually lose connectivity, or straight up motor issues, AT just cuts corners one way or another. I know it seems like a great turntable now, I just hope that's still the case one to two years from now.
I have the same one and the sound quality was significantly worse when connecting it to the speakers without a built-in amplifier as when i connected it with the built-in amp ones
It's not shipped with the C cartridge because there's no reverse play. If all you're doing as a DJ is mixing that'd be fine, but no cuts and scratches.
But the C stylus is cheap enough to add on, if you wanted to, but unless you're in the habit of playing older records that have been sanded with 100 grit, you don't really need it. This is less of a DJ-friendly turntable than the previous model.
And the way you set it up. And the phono preamp if you decide to use one. That said, why is stereo separation important? It's never great on vinyl but in the grand picture you won't hear a bit of difference :)
No idea! Doesn't matter, you should not buy this one for dj'ing other than just playing records one after the other. No backtracking, turntablism etc. and that's the only thing you need torque for
hi. i owned a whole wall of albums back in the 70s an early 80s. lost em moving. now i want a turntable & powered speakers. i like audio technica lp120x with or without bluetooth BT might be handy, but the whole point is to listen to records on low budget. is it silly.... wrong?...to pair this turntable with cheap "bookshelf" speakers? i want $ to buy Lps right? i paid 3 dollars for "Surrealistic Pillow" when i was 13. ok, so forward.... if someone can give me advice....
You could even hook it up to an IKEA Eneby 20 to begin with. 50 bucks for a really nice sounding powered speaker. All you need is an RCA to mini jack cable for a few bucks. It will be mono, but it will be cheap and really pleasant. Alternatively you could get a budget Logitech 2.1 speaker set for PC. They sound way better than they have the right to. There's many ways of being cheap and cheerful! Also the ATLP60 isn't horrible either so if you want to go even cheaper...
@@rollingtroll ok. Thank you for taking time to help! with the ATLP60X, is it impossible to upgrade the stylus? or is it th cartridge? and i worry about putting on the belt, maybe breaking it. Drive line turntable seems easier. But you're right: its a price jump to the AT LP120X usb. So im ckg out the speakers u recommended. later
Should I get this model or go up a model and get the lp140xp? I'd like your input on which would be best for me. Just for casual listening and not really an audio file, but I want clean sound.
Definitely the 120. The 140 is more aimed at DJ use. If you ever want a boost in sound quality, upgrade the stylus to the "ml" model. Quite a bit of money but definitely a serious upgrade. Also the Tonar perspex mat is a really good 30 dollar investment :)
@@rollingtroll Definitely concur on the ML stylus. I don't have that 120XP (yet), but I recently upgraded to the ML stylus, and it's like a whole new cartridge. I was going to replace the VM95e with a VM540ML, but now that I did the ML upgrade, I'll be putting that one off for a while because this does everything I need and more. I was going to get the SH stylus, but they were out, but then I thought about it; the ML is a finer stylus than the Shibata, and it outlasts it by 200 hours. Why pay more for less?
@@rollingtroll How much of a upgrade on sound are we talking about with the ML stylus? IMO the stock 95E sounds great but if the ML is a "true" upgrade" I will try it.
@@rollingtroll very happy so far..do yourself a favor and get the HUDSON HI.FI acrylic platter mat..only $20 on Amazon different colors and you can use it to adjust your anti skate..I set mine at 2 like recommended but it was way off..now I have it dialed in perfect..this mat will replace the felt one looks great and supposed better sound.
@@billholb1974 I have a Levindesign mat on my other record player. I know how much mats can do. They shouldn't change your anti skate though, that probably has a thing to do with arm height due to the different mat :)
Audio was fine. No problem. Thanks for the video. The start/stop button plastic is a bit of a letdown. Slider sounds scratchy? Like some mechanical noises here and there.. I know it's not a premium turntable, but on pictures it always looked like a good copy so i thought maybe some higher quality parts were used too.
It is pretty much a clone of the 1200’s I’m sure you can do basic home sets on it just nice blends no scratching or turntablism, I’m going to get one just to digitize a lot of my wax.
The Rolling Troll That’s good to hear because I will be using it to convert some of my collection from the 80’s and 90’s so high fidelity would be a plus once their in stock had to back order the black one :)
@@rollingtroll Thanks for the great video. Are you really serious when you claim that the AT-LP120X sounds better than the Technics SL-1200? A couple of months ago I got myself an Audio-Technica AT-LP120X to replace my old Philips AF 977 but I haven't found the right sound yet. I've tried it with the built-in pre-amp in my Denon PMA-800NE amplifier, with a MicroPhono PP400 external pre-amp and finally with the AT built-in pre-amp. It went from bad to better (in the order I summed them up) but still left my wanting for more. I think I still prefer the more than 40-year old Philips. What pre-amp do you use - and advice - with the AT?
If you just want to mix songs, yes. If you want to scratch and backtrack, go for a atlp140x, reloop rp4000 or a second hand Gemini pt2000 or higher. Even those cheap modern day synq players are better for that honestly. This is just a very decent, affordable hifi record player that's got the layout of an sl1200 II. The fact that it comes with a hifi stylus rather than a DJ one (reversing the record with this stylus would ruin it) proves that :). So even if you get this one for light mixing, get DJ styluses :)
Here's something interesting; My other record player is a Clearaudio Champion Level 1. Google it. So when this guy says that AT is not half bad, I actually have a reference or two ;). Honestly, it's an amazing machine. I dare to say it's the best sounding record player under 500 euros, with the best sounding (built in) preamplifier under 100 euros. It's a bit of a gem this. Audiotechnica's Headphones are great as well these days. Honestly the whole brand is doing really nice stuff nowadays.
The Rolling Troll I recently bought this same turntable and paired it with Edifier 1850’s and I’m pretty impressed with the sound. I’ve only recently started buying vinyl again, like a lot of people I got lured by the CD in the 80’s 😉 So this was a nice entry level choice for me. Do you think it’s worth upgrading the stylus? The two choices in my price range are the VM95EM which is the “NudeDiamond” type at about €95 or the next one up, the VM95ML Line Contact Stylus which is about €170. According to the reviewer on AV Forums at least, the VM95ML is the more worthwhile upgrade, but is spending pretty much what I spent for the whole turntable for a stylus really going to be worth it sound wise? Thanks Rob
@@robkennedyphotography1766 Hey Rob, the 'problem' with audio is that you have to keep your rig balanced. There's no use buying expensive speakers if your source isn't up to snuff, and vice versa. What I would recommend you'd do is first of all enjoy the rig for a few months. See if you like the tonal balance. Then if it turns out you want something a bit mellower sounding, maybe try swapping the cart for a Nagaoka MP-110 or Goldring 2100. They match the arm weight-wise (going to ge technical now, you can skip this part if you just want recommendations but it could be useful for future cart purchases; the heavier the arm, the stiffer the stylus suspension has to be otherwise you'll get some messed up resonances, there's actually a number for it under the name of 'compliance' but not all companies measure compliance identically. for this arm you want a compliance number at 10hz of between 10 and 14ish. Problem is, some companies measure it at 100hz, which will give you half the amount (so compliance at 100hz x2 = compliance at 10hz) and some companies measure compliance statically, which gives you twice the amount (so static compliance /10 gives you the compliance at 10hz). If it turns out you do like the sound of the AT, I'd go for the ML, it's just a much more refined sounding option. Do bare in mind that when you do that, your record player will outperform your speakers. Depending on your room size you may want to be looking out for a pair of Adam A5 or A7. They are monitors, so if you don't sit close to them, they won't work. There's plenty of speakers I'd like to recommend (Boston A25, a gem and dirt cheap!) but those aren't active. Also bare in mind that this is about as far as you want to go with this record player. The thing is amazing value for money, but I'd stay below the 200 euro mark, cartridge wise. What is a nice thing to do though is to figure out how to properly mount the cart (using a protractor) and how to properly set your anti skating (using a test record and an oscilloscope. The latter can be your computer, doesn't have to be a hardware scope. You can get so much more out of a record player if you set it up properly. In the meantime, since we're using the same cart; Move the cartridge to about 1/5th from the front of the shell instead of in the middle, where it is now, and set the anti skate so the cartridge 'drops' in the groove neatly every time. If it skips inwards, add some anti skate, if it sort of can't figure out where the groove is every now and then, or even skips outwards, lower the anti skate. It needs to sink into the groove smoothly every time you put on a record. This gets you to about 80% of where you need to be, but those last 20% are worth getting a test record for ;). Enjoy!
The Rolling Troll Thank you kindly for the quick reply 😊 When I first set it up I looked up a few videos and set up the anti skate using a CD, I don’t own a blank test record yet and found that tip on another audiophile channel. As it turned out, the recommended setting was slightly out and the stylus just moved inwards. I played around till I got it to stay put when lowered. I haven’t done the protractor thing yet...that looks scarier 😂 I will take your advice though and give it another month or so of listening and see if anything bothers me. Finding time to just sit and listen to a record with no distraction is not always easy 🙈 Anyway...thanks again for your advice 🤙 Rob
@@robkennedyphotography1766 hey Rob, notification worked! I just happened to notice your response really quick. Now, using a blank record to set anti skating does not work. It's a common myth and even serious audiophiles use it, but it's completely pointless. The only proper way of doing it is really with a test record that has signals so loud it pretty much makes the stylus rattle. You can set this rattle (shown as distortion instead of a nice round wave on a scope) so that it's equal on both channels. After that you keep pushing the weight up until it gives you a clear signal, then you go to the next (louder) test track, and louder, and louder. I managed to almost get to the ridiculous 18dB's my test record has, but honestly if you can get 16dB to be distortion free without surpassing the maximum weight your cartridge allows, you're there. The method I mentioned is obvoiusly a bit of a bodge job but since I have the test record and scope to check it, I found out it gets you quite close. I should put a tutorial online for that some day. As long as you stick to this cart you can just move the cartridge forward to about 1/5th of the slots it can move in. It won't be perfect but it'll definitely be a lot better than it is now, AT just put it slap bang in the middle when shipping this record player, because no one cares anyway :D.
The layout is the same. That's about it. It's not that hard to tell de visual differences between the two if you have some experience with one of both products. Even differences between the different models of the same 1200 series are easy to recognize.
I agree. I am not even sure why it got so succesful. I just unboxed it and turned the camera on :D. I did way more serious/in depth reviews of audio. This was just a 'oh well let's keep a camera running'-thing. That said; At least the information given is correct, that's... Not so evident on many other turntable reviews :D.
I also have a Micro Seiki BL51 and a completely different rig all together. If you call this one junk, you haven't actually listened to one. It's a good little record player, and perfect for digitizing records that had a bit of a rough life. I also use it for 78's, the Thorens couldn't do that.
@@fi5mvKsW3M It does lack features of the older 120, no VTA adj, plug in target light, plastic 45 piece, no reverse, brick P/S, I now have a 1200 MK4 and a 140XP
One of the rare reviews I don‘t have to skip alot of passages because their slow. Kudos to you!
Hahaha, and this one wasn’t even planned! I just unboxed it for myself and also filmed it. So that’s the trick!
Well that is prove that it is down to your personality and how fast your mind works😄@@rollingtroll
@@rogerlahaye1948 faster than is good for me 😁
Thanks for turning me on to the Hollie Cook, I really like that! As for the TT, I was already into that.....I've ordered the Audio Technica, can't WAIT to get it!!
So welcome! Check the Skints and Dub Inc!
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Wow, I learnt more in this comment section then in many HiFi forums. So informative!
There's so many places that are completely wrong. I would love to setup a group but I am a bit too political for being in a Facebook group with "all of the audiophiles", haha. I am happy you are happy! Make sure you check my "quick and dirty anti skating setup" video
This is IMO the best player in it's price range and beyond.
I would agree. And so is the AT-LP60 honestly.
yeah I just bought to replace an eBay Thorens TD105 mk II.... which had issues
good information. Would LOVE to see a video of ALL your equipment piece by pice and why you have it.
Oh man, you have no idea. That would just be a ridiculous amount of videos. I'll keep them coming though, hope you're subscribed :D.
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Interesting coincidence. My father have a Thorens, just like your's, and I just bought myself an AudioTechnica AT-LP120x. The Thorens brings me some very cool childhood memories.
hello, where di you buy the AudioTechnica AT-LP120x (in black?)
Nice unboxing; your accent somehow sounds Dutch (je klinkt nederlands).
My first turntable was a Reloop RP-2000 MK3 and it was similar to this one in many ways.
The tonearm assembly, the dodgy strobe indicator, the platter without magnet.
It didn't come with a dustcover because it is a DJ turntable, but when I sold it to my parents, they wanted a dustcover, so I bought a Reloop dustcover for them.
It has that exact same type of hinges, detachable on both sides, with those plastic squares that go into the dustcover slots.
I'm glad that Hanpin makes good entry-level stuff for DJs it keeps the turntabling scene open to young starters.
But those Hanpin things with the FU-700 toneams (like on the suitcase players or ATLP60) are nasty.
Jak ja nie mogę znieść jak ludzie uderzają palcami w klawisze, przyciski jakiegokolwiek sprzętu audio. Wystarczy delikatnie dotknąć, nadusić, włączyć...
Posiadałem wiele sprzętu audio, jak go sprzedawałem to ludzie nie mogli uwierzyć, że ten sprzęt był w ogóle używany.
A sam gramofon świetny.
For the 120x, I swapped mats for a rubber one & switched to a Ortofon 2M Blue cartridge...also using a ART USB pre-amp instead of the built in one......musical bliss !
2m blue (or any 2m) is a severe mismatch with this arm, you are torturing that poor cart. The compliance of the cantilever's suspension is way too high for a medium-heavy arm. In all honesty, upgrading the AT-VM95E to an AT-VM95ML (by swapping the stylus) would have been a much bigger upgrade and it would actually have worked. It would've been so easy ;).
As for the rubber mat; Try a Tonar Perspex one, worth while!
@@rollingtroll I set the 2m at 1.8 grams (as per instructions). This is the recommended anti balance weight for any turntable (Technics, AT, Rega, etc...) It works out fine....no damage to the needle. The AT-VM95's are always set at 2.0
@@dm95422 It's not about the vertical tracking force, it's about the lateral forces of a heavy arm, the effective weight of the arm will still move left and right, pulling the cantilever from side to side. Light arms are for high compliance cartridges, heavy arms for low compliance cartridges. If you mess that up, not only does it not sound great, but you will destroy the suspension of your cartridge in a matter of no time I'm afraid.
It's easy to sell the 2m blue for the price of what the ML stylus for the AT-VM95E costs.
Thank you for correcting me. I probably have a defective Neoteck Digital Turntable Stylus Force Scale Gauge 0.01g/5.00g. I just stick to the Audio Technica manual and set the tracking gauge at 2 gram and so is the dial weight of the tone arm. Et voila, deeper bass, warm voice even fron Rush 2012 Album.
I'm looking to upgrade to a new record player and was thinking of grabbing this one
are there speakers you suggest I get with the AT-LP120X? I do have a budget and was looking at bookshelf speakers but wondering my best option.
First i thought this was a decent Record player , my friend has one, but when i got hold of a 1975 Sanyo direct drive,strobo,varispeed weighting in at 8 kg and compared it to the AudioTech lp120x using the same audio technica green pickup - There was absolutely no competition. The Sanyo annihalated the LP120 on all acounts. It cost med 30 euros and another 40 for the new AT pickup. Goes to show that carefully constructed record players using the right kind of material and putting high spec material were its most needed ( Tonearm, acoustic insulation) are the most needed
The Sanyo probably would cost 900 euros today ;). And trust me, there's way better out there for little than a (n, I assume) midrange Japanese direct drive!
@@rollingtroll Just finished the calculations. Its 687 Dollars adjusted to inflation. In Germany you were paid an median wage of 821 Dollars/monthly. Quite the price ! 75% of a monthly wage !
The reason I got this Sanyo 1020 for 30 bucks is because nobody wants a lowly "Sanyo" even if its a great piece, a real sleeper rivaling far more costly "High End" from Technics,Marantz,Sony and Pioneer. I have to admit that Sanyo did its best to destroy their reputation with cheap mass produced plasticy things, but in the 70´s theu made great stuff. The Sanyo DCA-Range of integrated amps are really special and well built.
wow, just picked up a sanyo direct drive, and had the same reaction. the sanyo is a rock solid tank, the AT is a VW bug
Hi sir I don’t know if you will pick up on this comment but I have recently acquired this deck for playing 78 records . I have a rega new p3 as my main TT but having been gifted some unplayed 78s I thought I’d use this with a high quality 78 cart to give them opportunity to give of their best but of course I thought I’d just give it a go out of the box with a standard LP . And yes I was pleasantly surprised , to the point of thinking if I was to install a half decent cartridge it would give the p 3 a definite run for the money . Yes like you I’m not using the inbuilt phone stage and have used better phono cables , but all things considered this is a good starting point for anyone venturing into the world of hifi and who knows how far it could be pushed . Ps I had to smile as you did all the things I’d never dream of ie stop and start with the record in play , but you obviously know what you doing Best wishes and kind regards 😀👍
Reading you loud and clear! Should be perfectly fine for 78's.
Before you spend too much on a 78rpm cart; Don't forget that there is a shellack stylus for the cart this record player comes with.
May I ask which phono preamp you decided to use?
No worries about stopping the platter with a record on it, it won't hurt either record nor stylus. It would hurt the stylus is braking force was too high and the record were to spin back, as an elliptical stylus works like a barb that way. That's why DJ styli, which allow you to 'backspin', are always conical. Same on both sides!
Enjoy your AT-LP120x!
this video put me on Hollie Cook's music so thanks for that first of all. I just bought this record player still waiting for my speakers (havent bought a single record yet because of corona - i wanna do it properly and crate dig instead of ordering online) - thanks so much for the review!
Very Nice Sounds Quite Lovely ❤
It’s a remarkably musical sounding thing for a simple plastic direct drive!
nice touch with the line in trick.
good video, I know what i'm getting myself into now, it looks like a decent quality player. One thing better or worse it does appear to be much lighter than the solid block of aluminum that the Technics get formed or milled out of.
Liked / shared.
Thanks! It's definitely lighter than the technics but the technics has a slab of lead in it to make it heavier. The lightness actually adds musicality in this case, weirdly.
I have to admit, build quality of the AT could be better. My lift already got some issues a few months in and by now I've replaced it with an SL-1500, but it was a cool experiment and everyone I know who has one is really happy about it :)
Hi man thanks for this. I set up mine this afternoon. I have a question in case you or someone can give me a suggestion. I found the arm balance easily but the issue is that when i found that balance by chance or no idea how the corresponding number on the counterweight was already zero. So i just left it like that and turned the counterweight until no. 2 and adjusted the anti skate at 2 as suggested by an official set up video i found on you tube. Do you think that is ok? It seems working fine i just want to do the correct thing not to damage the cartridge or the vinyls. Thanks for your suggestion.
Hey not sure if this is too late, but it is 100% fine. Same happened with my second setup. I purchased a digital stylus reader and it's almost 2 grams on the dot so it works.
"7" months later. Still rolling strong??
Lift is slightly iffy sometimes, but other than that flawless
@@rollingtroll Easy fix: leave the tonearm lifted all the time.
@@GIa_DM 😂
@@SupaBuma I wasn't kidding. It really works. I had the very same problem.
@@GIa_DM Oh wow! I hope mine will be okay.. my LP120XUSB is still on backorder 😭😭😭
Can Someone help me? Ive set it up but its not playing the song right. It sounds slow and voice pitch sounds low.
need help with the same thing
Considering this instead of a new technics that are way to expensive for me - good to see you setting it up fast :)
That said; I set up multiple record players per month, so it will probably take a bit longer if you don't regularly do this, but it's still easy peasy. Do check my 'quick and dirty anti skating setup' video though! They don't tell you that in the manual ;).
If you are going to use it for DJ'ing purposes, go for a Reloop. For hifi, this one is bang for the buck! And for the money the Technics cost you have way, way better hifi record players :)
@@rollingtroll hey thanks for the very quick reply bro :) , had to sell my old technics and CDJ's years back so itching to just play my vinyl at home again so this should be perfect, looked at the PLX-500 but some say the on/off has faults, generally most say this LP120 is really good
@@richardsunday1612 There's no good reason to buy a PLX500. The 1000 is fine but honestly not much better than a Reloop RP7000 so I'd definitely grab that for DJ'ing. For home audio the ATLP120x is great, it's just not a DJ turntable, it only has the looks.
That said, if it's just hi-fi you are looking for; If you are in the US, don't forget the U-Turn Orbit. Great little no-nonsense player. That's what I would buy if I just wanted to play records on a half decent stereo ;).
@@rollingtroll ordered :)
@@richardsunday1612 Enjoy! Feel free to ask if you have any questions, I'll try to keep an eye on the comments.
I'm looking to upgrade from my first turntable which is the AT-LP60. I've had great luck with it over the past year and it has been a great start into record collecting, but it's still very low end and some records just don't play as well as others to the point where I don't even bother with them--and I've noticed those are the ones with a ton of needle talk which may or may not be a correlation..I digress..
I've been eyeing the AT-LP120XUSB.
Should I go for the 120xusb (I'm assuming it's very similar to the one in the video here)? Would it be much of an improvement over the LP60?
I'm getting a bit weary since there are so many options that are much better (and obviously more expensive) but I thoroughly enjoy the physical format and I'm on a really tight budget unfortunately. 🙁
I've heard people praise and hate on the the turntable, but I was just wondering how it might compare to the LP60. If it's a noticeable difference then I'll be set.. not worrying about potential buyer's remorse.
I'm greatly appreciative for any feedback and help. Thanks.
I have the 120xusb particularly in mind as there's a decent sale on it close by me.
What's the rest of your setup right now?
Also, have you considered cleaning your records? :). There's extensive methods of doing this, but honestly a damp micro fibre cloth and then a clean kitchen towel to dry (of course follow the direction of the grooves :)) already does an awful lot. And a new inner sleeve, of course.
@@rollingtroll Ah, thanks for the reply!
Currently just Logitech Z625 powered speakers (which should be upgraded later, but even some digital formats of the same music sound better through these than several of my newer records).
I've gone through extensive research on cleaning methods. Personally I take a soft cloth and clean in circular motions with a 50/50 mix of 91% isopropyl alcohol and distilled water. I then spray pure distilled water and let them air dry so as to remove any fine lint left behind by the "lint-free" microfiber/soft towels. It seems to have worked well on my older, record store finds.
For instance, I have 2 modest mouse records..both are noticably thicker than my other LPs and they have produce a ton sibilance and distortion. Same for my Hell Freezes Over-Eagles LP, Hotel California, Greatest Hits by Fleetwood Mac, Led Zeppelin IV, Who's Next, Afterburner-ZZ Top (near end of side and especially on the last track of each side), Cosmo's Factory-CCR. All are generally thicker than some other newer and older records I have. And all appear to be in excellent shape with absolutely no warping not scratches or anything visible to the naked eye at least.
I was thinking maybe the lp120 with it's stock and future upgradable cartridge and stylus...plus the stock one is recommended to track at 2 grams. I don't know. I could be wrong in my assumptions, but... I'm a little upset with all of these records sounding absolutely horrible and I feel like it would be insane bad luck that so many of my records would be bad pressings.
Any input or suggestions helps me out a lot. Thanks!
Does it still have the caps inline on the phono out on this newer model? I have the LP120USB (the older version with the weak anti-skate spring), and am considering maybe getting the newer LP120XUSBBT, or whatever they're calling it. From what I can see on-line, the overall fit and finish on my older version seems nicer, but sound quality is the main concern, and there is a slight noise whine on my table. Thanks.
There are two tiny inline caps on the output traces of the older 120USB, along with two inline inductors ...these can be easily and successfully removed, which improves the performance when using the built-in preamp, and make it totally silent (as though it's not there) if running out to an external preamp/amp setup.... If you do the mod, you need small jumper wires to bridge the gap left by the inductors. It's quick and easy to do.
This video: ruclips.net/video/4NT67ii04uQ/видео.html shows the positions of the offending parts, before he then goes and takes out the whole thing!! You don't need to do that. Remove those 4 small items, and your LP120 will sound as though that poor existing preamp has been removed !
I did this to mine, and it's SO much better for it..!! :-)
Hopefully the new LP120X version doesn't have any inline caps/inductors in the (as quoted) improved preamp.. ;-)
Great turntable 🔥
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I love mine, especially with the Denon DL-110 fitted to it.
That's a good match! Since you are serious about this; Schiit Mani. Thank me later :)
@@rollingtroll I will look into it :)
Is the box quite heavy to carry? I ordered one for collection at my local store, and I got to carry it all the way back to my house, but the thing is that I’m tiny....
The turn table is around 8K without the dust cover. So all in, the box is somewhere around 9 to 10K.
So it is recommended for home / practice use ? I can't get my hands on a pair of SL1200 for a decent price so I'm still searching for some ''cheaper'' alternatives like this one or the PLX 500 ... I just want a pair of decks and practice at home and don't want to spend a lot. Let me know !
Sorry, only seeing this now. For semi serious budget DJ'ing I'd look at Reloop or Gemini :)
Hi i am new to this. Would you recommend me to get this as a first turn table?
Absolutely. If you want to buy new, this is without a doubt the most sound for your money. Alternatively you could look at the U-turn orbit if you are in the US or Canada.
@@rollingtroll I am in singapore and it cost 438 over here. So i am hesitant with purchasing it. I doubt it will be on sale during black friday :( though but man your review make me want to purchase it now
@@aaronramsey8079 I was also thinking the same as you bro. It's much more expensive here is SG. Sony PS-HX500 here cost almost S$800 whereas overseas it cost ard a $100. Planning to buy this someyime ard next year.
I think a Rega P1 or P2 will suit you better (better sound, build quality)
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But overpriced. Not worth the money imo when you can simply upgrade the cart on the AT120USB
I am planning on buying this exact turntable, do I need speakers? I plan on using it just to listen in my room, nothing big, can fit a full size bed and a dresser. If I need speakers, any good recommendations that won’t break my bank but still sound good?
Sorry this will be my first time buying a record player and I’m excited!
You need speakers and an amplifier, or speakers with a built in amplifier (officially these are called active speakers or powered speakers). Old desktop computer speakers will work just fine. You can even buy them new for cheap. Logitech has very acceptable ones for under 50 USD. Or maybe you already have a Bluetooth speaker? With an RCA to minijack cable (2-5 USD) you can also hook it up to every Bluetooth speaker that has an aux in. I highly recommend the IKEA Eneby 20 for that. The thing is stupidly good for the money. The record player itself has no built in speakers.
If you want to save some money though and you don't care about looks too much, consider the atlp60. It's way smaller and has the same basic functionality. You will still need speakers though!
The Rolling Troll someone had mentioned these speakers on amazon that are the Micca PB42X powered speakers with a built in amp that are $120 on amazon!!!! The thing I’m kind of afraid of is buying these speakers and having it just sound like I’m playing music off of my phone....
Maybe I’m just overthinking it but do record people like the sound of the music played from a record player or it just for the cool vinyl collecting and for using the record player itself.
And no I don’t have a Bluetooth speaker 😭 so now I’m debating...should I buy a Bluetooth speaker with the cord you mentioned or is there a cool speaker that can give the vinyls a “vintage” sound.
Sorry I probably sound so silly 😹
@@Roniv664 A pair of speakers are definitely not going to sound like your phone, no worries :). Audio hasn't sounded specifically "vintage" since the sixties, really sound hasn't changed much in the last 60 years. I don't know the speakers that you mention but I'm sure they will perform fine. If there's an IKEA near you I would give the Eneby 20 a try, with a cable. It's a safe bet at 60 bucks and it sounds better than most affordable speakers. It also looks retro. You can always upgrade down the line, the record player will be ready for it ;).
@@Roniv664 cdn.alzashop.com/Foto/f3/MK/MK362.jpg that's the cable you would need
The Rolling Troll awesome thanks!!! I’ll go for the eneby and I’ll buy the linked cord ^. Thanks for all the information and saving me $60 with speakers :P
Great video! What receiver and speakers do you recommend?
That depends on so many things that I cannot just answer. First; Amplifier, not receiver. It's always the better option. Less compromise. Second; If you want stereo, go for a stereo amplifier, not surround. Because again, compromise. Avoid Sony, sound-wise. Look for the slightly more upmarket brands if you have a little money to spend (Rotel, NAD, Cambridge, Yamaha, Arcam, Audiolab). Also consider if you need an amplifier. Are you just going to hook up a record player? YOu may as well get active speakers (speakers with built in amplifier). If you don't want that and you only have very little to spend, Yamaha and Pioneer make sub-200 dollar amps that are not shit. If you don't mind second hand, go for something that's less than 25 years old, amplifiers don't age gracefully. The NAD 3020E is a great affordable amp, but most Pioneer and Technics amps from the nineties sound really not bad at all. Yamaha is a solid second hand bet as well.
Bare in mind that record players give off a very low signal unless they have a built in preamplifier. This AT-LP120x has a built in pre, and a good one at that. If you buy another record player that doesn't have this, make sure your amplifier either has one (easy to see, it will have an imput market 'phono') or get a seperate preamp (the Analogis EasyPhono is available everywhere and not bad for the price).
As for speakers; The smaller your room, the smaller your speakers. Big speakers produce big bass and big bass has a long wavelength, it will just reach the end of your room, bounce back and cancel itself out. Usually people have speakers that are too big for the room. Klipsch has nice new options, but second hand, depending where you are, the Boston A25, Wharfedale diamond III and Philips 482/483 are great speakers. If you have a slightly bigger room (say at least 25m2) you could look at the Tannoy R2. Amazing speaker, cheap as chips, but it does demand a solid amplifier so don't skim on that too much. There's loads of speakers out there that are good and overlooked so I could make this post into a full book.
Let me know
- Budget
- Room dimensions (length x width)
- What you have right now and how you like it
The Rolling Troll thanks for replying! This will be a gift. I'm planning on buying the AT LP 120X with the Yamaha RS 202BL. The living room is medium size and we live in an apartment. I was thinking of the Klipsch bookshelf or floor speakers. Not sure if I'm missing anything for that set up or just generally
@@claudiareyes9036 Is there a reason you're not going for the A-S201 by Yamaha? If there's no reason, grab that one ;).
"Medium size" is a hard one to respond to. Do you have dimensions for me? Doesn't have to be too precise.
I personally think the cheap, small Klipsch speakers outperform the cheap, bigger Klipsch speakers. If you want floorstanders, go one model line up with Klipsch, or consider a pair of second hand Tannoy R2.
If you don't mind second hand, the Tannoy M2 is also a really nice, slightly larger bookshelf. If you find (or create, anything goes as long as it's solid and a bit heavy) some nice stands to put them on, they may be exactly right for a 'medium sized' room, if there's ever such a thing :D.
That said, if you are comparing speakers at a shop somewhere, don't forget to also check ELAC and Boston Acoustics. Also if you don't listen loud at home, don't listen loud during your test. Speakers tend to get obtrusive when playing at lower levels, loud is easy :D.
The only thing I'd like to recommend you is to not go for the cheapest speaker cables. Anything with a 2.5mm2 core made of oxygen free copper is absolutely acceptable. Price wise you should be able to get that well under 3 dollars US (not sure where you are) per meter.
Also make sure your speaker cables are of equal length. The longer the cable, the more sound you will lose (cables have a resistance) so all of your sound will pull to one side with two different lengths.
Enjoy :D.
The Rolling Troll thank you !
@@claudiareyes9036 You are very welcome!
Are there any big differences to Pioneer PLX500-K?
Thank you for the video and the updates in comment The Rolling Troll. Can you do another video or share the name of the amp you are using and/or recommend. Also a video of your whole setup will be nice.
Nad C320. Great affordable amp. Usually with broken speaker relais though. If you can solder you can get these real cheap because of that. My other amp is an Ayre K3/Audio Analogue Donizetti combo. What you are seeing here is my hobbyroom setup.
Just bought one of these and it has a flat sound - when you said “going to give you line input sound” what did you do? The sound improved significantly. Mine sounds like yours did before you made the line input change.
I switched from the sound the camera picked up from the speakers, to the sound directly into the computer. So yeah, that's not something that should be an issue with you. What exactly did you hook it up to?
I am running it through a Yamaha RX V379 receiver. The sound from the turntable has slightly less fidelity than when I stream a song into it via Bluetooth from my iPhone. I thought it would be equal to better on vinyl.
@@zilksmooth oh it's a lot better than an iPhone or anything Bluetooth. But depending on what music you play the artist may not have cared about the vinyl too much. The bigger the artist, the worse the record usually sounds. You can't just put a digital master on a vinyl record and unfortunately that's what happens regularly.
@@rollingtroll thanks for the input. The artist is The Black Keys - The Big Come Up. I would have thought they would have had good quality vinyl, but maybe not this particular pressing.
@@zilksmooth sounds fine here! Should easily outperform anything through Bluetooth. I can't imagine you got this wrong but let's still check; which input did you hook it up to and what did you set the Line/phono switch to on the back of the record player?
Hi! Do you have the dimensions of the box? Curious if it would fit in my large luggage when I buy one. Thanks!
The box it ships in? I don't think that would fit a big suitcase, honestly, no.
was thinking to get this one (found one on line reduced ) or a Project in the same price range. which one would u suggest? i like that Projects are made in Europe too............and have a unique style...........but not sure. cheers
There's nothing unique about the style of the pro-jects, REGA came up with that style ;).
I would definitely go AT then, although I personaly would go for a second hand option :).
@@rollingtroll cheers man. i found it on line for 220 euro. hope will be good.
@@svobodasimon1185 paid 219 at Amazon for mine so that's apparently a price for which it can be found!
Thanks for the review! Unfortunately, your desk lamp blew out the timing light on the left hand side. :)
Those usually don't look quite right on video anyway because of the different refresh rate of the light and the camera :)
@@rollingtroll Depends on the camera. Higher end cameras have shutter rates that can sync to any refresh rate, but they are expensive. What I'm referring to, though, is the rows of dots on the platter, one of which appears to be motionless in the light for each of the turntable's three speeds. I've seen a video where they each show up very well. Anyway, it's a minor point. Your video was very helpful!
@@msthalamus2172 Fuji x-t2. I know. But I didn't really care to match it. It was just doing its minimum of 24fps
Having trouble balancing reliable and cheap. Tryna scratch like Dj Premier. $400 is as high as I'm going. I trust Audio Technica.
You cannot scratch with this record player, at all. This is a hifi turntable, not a DJ turntable. It just looks like it. It does not have the torque, or build quality for that. If you want something affordable that is actually meant for scratching, look at Reloop, look at Synq, look at Numark. Should you want to go Audiotechica, the AT-LP140x (140, not 120) is meant for more rugged use. This absolutely is not.
Hi The Rolling Troll, thank you very much for the video and for all the answers to the comments. Very helpful.
A couple of months ago I bought the AT-LP120XUSB. It's truly a great turntable that I enjoy very much. Nevertheless I did a couple of upgrades partially based on your video and the comments (Tonar Perspex Mat, AT-VMN95ML, AT-618 record stabilizer, tonearm dampening fluid...), but I still have a couple of questions.
First of all concerning the alignment. I bought a Tonar protractor and a Schön Schablone. Using these two tools I come up with a setting in which the cartridge is almost all the way up in the head shell. Where as originally it came with the cartridge perfectly in the middle, now it has moved to the outer edge with less than 2mm left. Is this normal?
Secondly concerning the anti-skating. I bought the Ortofon test record and the last couple of tracks are designed to set the VTF and the anti-skating (by ear). The cartridge should be able to track the test signals (315 HZ recorded at increasing pick amplitudes of 50, 60, 70, 80, 90 and 100 micrometers) without distortion. According to the instructions, if both the right and the left channel fail to track properly the VTF should be increased. In case of differing tracking ability in the left and right channel, anti-skating needs to be readjusted.
I have to go all the way up to a VTF of 2,2gr and an anti-skating setting of 2,25 to get the AT-LP120XUSB and the VM95ML to play the track of 100 micrometer without distortion. Again; is this a realistic setting? And are there any drawbacks to a hight VTF?
Finally, in the comments you refer to a method for setting the anti-skating using a test record and a oscilloscope (device or software). Can you point me in the direction of a tutorial or something dealing with this. And do you think that the Ortofon test record is suitable for this method?
Thank you very much.
Nice video! How do you put on the pitch led (quartz)?? I don´t know if mine is not working or I am doind something wrong. because the led never turns red...
Press the quartz button or put the pitch fader exactly in the middle
@@rollingtroll thats what I do and the led still off :(
@@BoSs86 The good news is; It sounds better without quartz lock. The question is though; Is it broken, or is it the LED? If you put the pitch control all the way up or down and then press the quartz button, does it make any difference? It should to back to perfect pitch with quartz on.
@@rollingtroll Yes, the pitch changes. So the only thing that not work is the red led.
Looks like it! That's annoying though, because now it's rather hard to make sure the quartz lock is off.
I don't know, I'm still skeptical based on my experience with my LP120. I know everyone says the new LP120X resolved the other issues. Personally I would think that Thorens is still the better turntable. I will say for sure, your motor should be starting up much faster than what I saw. This is why I moved away from AT. Whether it's VTA, anti-skate, buttons that eventually lose connectivity, or straight up motor issues, AT just cuts corners one way or another. I know it seems like a great turntable now, I just hope that's still the case one to two years from now.
Of course a decent vintage Thorens is better, but a half decent 40 year old thorens costs two of these new AT's :D
Yea Chad!! SKEPTICAL!!! 😂😂😂Me too!!!
@@Lee.Higginbotham No need though. It's still going strong :)
But you have a clear audio turntable!!! Not made in china. Quality german engineering and parts and labor!!
@@Lee.Higginbotham I traded it for a micro seiki bl51. But I also have the AT ;).
Do I need an amplifier if mine came with a built pre amp? I bought the Audio Technica AT-LP120XUSB
I have the same one and the sound quality was significantly worse when connecting it to the speakers without a built-in amplifier as when i connected it with the built-in amp ones
It's not shipped with the C cartridge because there's no reverse play. If all you're doing as a DJ is mixing that'd be fine, but no cuts and scratches.
But the C stylus is cheap enough to add on, if you wanted to, but unless you're in the habit of playing older records that have been sanded with 100 grit, you don't really need it. This is less of a DJ-friendly turntable than the previous model.
RT, does this tt have great stereo separation ??? Hard for me to tell through youtube.
Turntable isn't going to make a difference to stereo separation, just the cartridge.
And the way you set it up. And the phono preamp if you decide to use one.
That said, why is stereo separation important? It's never great on vinyl but in the grand picture you won't hear a bit of difference :)
Does the USB output audio to a speaker that has a usb port? Thanks
Nope. But if the speaker has a line in it will work
@@rollingtroll okay thanks :)
the torque is better than old model ?
No idea! Doesn't matter, you should not buy this one for dj'ing other than just playing records one after the other. No backtracking, turntablism etc. and that's the only thing you need torque for
I'm getting an Audio Technica LP60 Bluetooth record player online soon
May I ask why the bluetooth one? It seems quite expensive compared to this one (almost the same price in my case).
The lp 60 is good but I don't know how much the bluetooth version is..but if its close to the price on the 120 get the 120 obviously.
The LP60 Bluetooth turntable is $160.00
@@lauracorbett4577 definitely get the 120 if you can do without the Bluetooth :)
@@rollingtroll yeah and the new updated version of the lp120 is $250 mine should be here tomorrow.
How much did this turntable cost you?
219 euros
@@rollingtroll And what cartridge do you recommend for playing 78s?
@@sringjoymondal9377 same cart, there's a shellack mono stylus available for it :)
Thanks for your reply.
@@sringjoymondal9377 Shure M78S
hi. i owned a whole wall of albums back in the 70s an early 80s. lost em moving. now i want a turntable & powered speakers. i like audio technica lp120x with or without bluetooth BT might be handy, but the whole point is to listen to records on low budget. is it silly.... wrong?...to pair this turntable with cheap "bookshelf" speakers? i want $ to buy Lps right? i paid 3 dollars for "Surrealistic Pillow" when i was 13. ok, so forward.... if someone can give me advice....
You could even hook it up to an IKEA Eneby 20 to begin with. 50 bucks for a really nice sounding powered speaker. All you need is an RCA to mini jack cable for a few bucks. It will be mono, but it will be cheap and really pleasant.
Alternatively you could get a budget Logitech 2.1 speaker set for PC. They sound way better than they have the right to. There's many ways of being cheap and cheerful! Also the ATLP60 isn't horrible either so if you want to go even cheaper...
@@rollingtroll
ok. Thank you for taking time to help! with the ATLP60X, is it impossible to upgrade the stylus? or is it th cartridge? and i worry about putting on the belt, maybe breaking it. Drive line turntable seems easier. But you're right: its a price jump to the AT LP120X usb. So im ckg out the speakers u recommended. later
sorry meant "DIRECT DRIVE" not drive line. been home too long.lol
does this turntable has bluetooth?
No, it doesn't :)
There is no point to have Bluetooth in turntable.
Just picked one up. Doesn't power on.
You know the power switch is in the strobe on the left, right? Just checking!
Should I get this model or go up a model and get the lp140xp? I'd like your input on which would be best for me. Just for casual listening and not really an audio file, but I want clean sound.
Definitely the 120. The 140 is more aimed at DJ use. If you ever want a boost in sound quality, upgrade the stylus to the "ml" model. Quite a bit of money but definitely a serious upgrade. Also the Tonar perspex mat is a really good 30 dollar investment :)
@@rollingtroll Definitely concur on the ML stylus. I don't have that 120XP (yet), but I recently upgraded to the ML stylus, and it's like a whole new cartridge. I was going to replace the VM95e with a VM540ML, but now that I did the ML upgrade, I'll be putting that one off for a while because this does everything I need and more. I was going to get the SH stylus, but they were out, but then I thought about it; the ML is a finer stylus than the Shibata, and it outlasts it by 200 hours. Why pay more for less?
@@rollingtroll How much of a upgrade on sound are we talking about with the ML stylus? IMO the stock 95E sounds great but if the ML is a "true" upgrade" I will try it.
I just need to figure out if I want the black or silver one..lol..I have the old lp 160..need to upgrade.
I think the silver one looks a bit cheap :)
@@rollingtroll I got the black model it looks nice!
@@billholb1974 not badly designed for the money, right?
@@rollingtroll very happy so far..do yourself a favor and get the HUDSON HI.FI acrylic platter mat..only $20 on Amazon different colors and you can use it to adjust your anti skate..I set mine at 2 like recommended but it was way off..now I have it dialed in perfect..this mat will replace the felt one looks great and supposed better sound.
@@billholb1974 I have a Levindesign mat on my other record player. I know how much mats can do. They shouldn't change your anti skate though, that probably has a thing to do with arm height due to the different mat :)
Audio was fine. No problem. Thanks for the video. The start/stop button plastic is a bit of a letdown. Slider sounds scratchy? Like some mechanical noises here and there.. I know it's not a premium turntable, but on pictures it always looked like a good copy so i thought maybe some higher quality parts were used too.
What record did you play please
Hollie Cook's self titled record!
Good sound
tres bonne platine prix qualite son impec
Can anyone help me, I been trying to find out the diameter of the original fet mat.
Unsurprisingly, 12 inches.
At lp120x or rega planar 1?
Atlp120x. But in that price range; ATLP5x. Are you in th US or Canada? U-Turn orbit!!
It is pretty much a clone of the 1200’s I’m sure you can do basic home sets on it just nice blends no scratching or turntablism, I’m going to get one just to digitize a lot of my wax.
I owned quite a few 1200's through the years. Just the layout is copied. It's a very different beast. You could definitely do decent blends though :)
The Rolling Troll Yes I agree not much can compare to the 1200’s, but looking forward to trying the Audio Technica
@@eklektikTechno the at actually sounds better, I am not kidding. Build quality doesn't get near the SL, but purely for hifi the AT wins.
The Rolling Troll That’s good to hear because I will be using it to convert some of my collection from the 80’s and 90’s so high fidelity would be a plus once their in stock had to back order the black one :)
@@rollingtroll Thanks for the great video. Are you really serious when you claim that the AT-LP120X sounds better than the Technics SL-1200? A couple of months ago I got myself an Audio-Technica AT-LP120X to replace my old Philips AF 977 but I haven't found the right sound yet. I've tried it with the built-in pre-amp in my Denon PMA-800NE amplifier, with a MicroPhono PP400 external pre-amp and finally with the AT built-in pre-amp. It went from bad to better (in the order I summed them up) but still left my wanting for more. I think I still prefer the more than 40-year old Philips. What pre-amp do you use - and advice - with the AT?
shall i replace my Lenco 3808 with this? .. lol
Yeah go ahead
Not much of an upgrade. That one is more or less on par with this one.
Hi, would you recommend this turntable for a budding DJ ?
If you just want to mix songs, yes. If you want to scratch and backtrack, go for a atlp140x, reloop rp4000 or a second hand Gemini pt2000 or higher. Even those cheap modern day synq players are better for that honestly. This is just a very decent, affordable hifi record player that's got the layout of an sl1200 II. The fact that it comes with a hifi stylus rather than a DJ one (reversing the record with this stylus would ruin it) proves that :). So even if you get this one for light mixing, get DJ styluses :)
The Rolling Troll that brilliant, thanks for the advice 👍
Thanks !
You are very welcome!
Great you got an Audio Technica record player they are ten times better than the Crosleys and Victrolas and Jensens and they last longer
Here's something interesting; My other record player is a Clearaudio Champion Level 1. Google it. So when this guy says that AT is not half bad, I actually have a reference or two ;). Honestly, it's an amazing machine. I
dare to say it's the best sounding record player under 500 euros, with the best sounding (built in) preamplifier under 100 euros. It's a bit of a gem this.
Audiotechnica's Headphones are great as well these days. Honestly the whole brand is doing really nice stuff nowadays.
The Rolling Troll I recently bought this same turntable and paired it with Edifier 1850’s and I’m pretty impressed with the sound.
I’ve only recently started buying vinyl again, like a lot of people I got lured by the CD in the 80’s 😉 So this was a nice entry level choice for me.
Do you think it’s worth upgrading the stylus? The two choices in my price range are the VM95EM which is the “NudeDiamond” type at about €95 or the next one up, the VM95ML Line Contact Stylus which is about €170.
According to the reviewer on AV Forums at least, the VM95ML is the more worthwhile upgrade, but is spending pretty much what I spent for the whole turntable for a stylus really going to be worth it sound wise?
Thanks
Rob
@@robkennedyphotography1766 Hey Rob, the 'problem' with audio is that you have to keep your rig balanced. There's no use buying expensive speakers if your source isn't up to snuff, and vice versa. What I would recommend you'd do is first of all enjoy the rig for a few months. See if you like the tonal balance. Then if it turns out you want something a bit mellower sounding, maybe try swapping the cart for a Nagaoka MP-110 or Goldring 2100. They match the arm weight-wise (going to ge technical now, you can skip this part if you just want recommendations but it could be useful for future cart purchases; the heavier the arm, the stiffer the stylus suspension has to be otherwise you'll get some messed up resonances, there's actually a number for it under the name of 'compliance' but not all companies measure compliance identically. for this arm you want a compliance number at 10hz of between 10 and 14ish. Problem is, some companies measure it at 100hz, which will give you half the amount (so compliance at 100hz x2 = compliance at 10hz) and some companies measure compliance statically, which gives you twice the amount (so static compliance /10 gives you the compliance at 10hz).
If it turns out you do like the sound of the AT, I'd go for the ML, it's just a much more refined sounding option. Do bare in mind that when you do that, your record player will outperform your speakers. Depending on your room size you may want to be looking out for a pair of Adam A5 or A7. They are monitors, so if you don't sit close to them, they won't work. There's plenty of speakers I'd like to recommend (Boston A25, a gem and dirt cheap!) but those aren't active.
Also bare in mind that this is about as far as you want to go with this record player. The thing is amazing value for money, but I'd stay below the 200 euro mark, cartridge wise.
What is a nice thing to do though is to figure out how to properly mount the cart (using a protractor) and how to properly set your anti skating (using a test record and an oscilloscope. The latter can be your computer, doesn't have to be a hardware scope. You can get so much more out of a record player if you set it up properly. In the meantime, since we're using the same cart; Move the cartridge to about 1/5th from the front of the shell instead of in the middle, where it is now, and set the anti skate so the cartridge 'drops' in the groove neatly every time. If it skips inwards, add some anti skate, if it sort of can't figure out where the groove is every now and then, or even skips outwards, lower the anti skate. It needs to sink into the groove smoothly every time you put on a record. This gets you to about 80% of where you need to be, but those last 20% are worth getting a test record for ;).
Enjoy!
The Rolling Troll Thank you kindly for the quick reply 😊
When I first set it up I looked up a few videos and set up the anti skate using a CD, I don’t own a blank test record yet and found that tip on another audiophile channel. As it turned out, the recommended setting was slightly out and the stylus just moved inwards. I played around till I got it to stay put when lowered.
I haven’t done the protractor thing yet...that looks scarier 😂
I will take your advice though and give it another month or so of listening and see if anything bothers me. Finding time to just sit and listen to a record with no distraction is not always easy 🙈
Anyway...thanks again for your advice 🤙
Rob
@@robkennedyphotography1766 hey Rob, notification worked! I just happened to notice your response really quick.
Now, using a blank record to set anti skating does not work. It's a common myth and even serious audiophiles use it, but it's completely pointless. The only proper way of doing it is really with a test record that has signals so loud it pretty much makes the stylus rattle. You can set this rattle (shown as distortion instead of a nice round wave on a scope) so that it's equal on both channels. After that you keep pushing the weight up until it gives you a clear signal, then you go to the next (louder) test track, and louder, and louder. I managed to almost get to the ridiculous 18dB's my test record has, but honestly if you can get 16dB to be distortion free without surpassing the maximum weight your cartridge allows, you're there.
The method I mentioned is obvoiusly a bit of a bodge job but since I have the test record and scope to check it, I found out it gets you quite close. I should put a tutorial online for that some day.
As long as you stick to this cart you can just move the cartridge forward to about 1/5th of the slots it can move in. It won't be perfect but it'll definitely be a lot better than it is now, AT just put it slap bang in the middle when shipping this record player, because no one cares anyway :D.
i am the only one who found the change in tempo creepy?
Hahaha, you get used to that kind of stuff with vinyl :D.
It can sound omnious!
It looks like the new technics sl 1210 mk7...
All of these "DJ" turntables are based on the SL-1200 MK-II from 1978.
The layout is the same. That's about it.
It's not that hard to tell de visual differences between the two if you have some experience with one of both products.
Even differences between the different models of the same 1200 series are easy to recognize.
Good
You have not unboxed it and you are talking of selling the bloody thing
Selling? What? I am not sure where you got that, but I definitely am not selling it :D.
@@rollingtroll
At 1:15 you're talking about selling it and saying you likely will.
@@Vdoom777 You know what 'should I ever' means, right? :D
Спасибо за обзор!
Very nice
sir One record Plyar send me I thanks to you
Boota singh Warring What kind of record player will you be getting I'm getting an Audio Technica LP60
Sir, any vest record Plyar send me please
I'm sorry, I don't get what you mean :).
Sorry, but this is a little bit of chaos. There are a lot of better and much more detailed filmed videos on youtube.
I agree. I am not even sure why it got so succesful. I just unboxed it and turned the camera on :D. I did way more serious/in depth reviews of audio. This was just a 'oh well let's keep a camera running'-thing.
That said; At least the information given is correct, that's... Not so evident on many other turntable reviews :D.
You had a Thorens TD160..........You took more than a few steps back by going with this junk. Why?
I also have a Micro Seiki BL51 and a completely different rig all together. If you call this one junk, you haven't actually listened to one. It's a good little record player, and perfect for digitizing records that had a bit of a rough life. I also use it for 78's, the Thorens couldn't do that.
You have to be a true "audiophile", with every negative connotations of the word, to call this wonderful little player junk.
@@fi5mvKsW3M It does lack features of the older 120, no VTA adj, plug in target light, plastic 45 piece, no reverse, brick P/S, I now have a 1200 MK4 and a 140XP
Lo start e lo stop sono lenti.. mi aspettavo meglio
Very bad hands 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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