Very evocative and provocative and anyone who doesn’t appreciate this fine drama is either very superficial or very young or both. The angst and the atmosphere of such occasions is exceeding well executed. Thought provoking and consoling for anyone who has suffered bereavement. First class drama. Well done.
Very well done. It bought back extremely sad memories for me, especially the last part as the hymn 'abide with me' was sung....my brother James died in 2020 aged 39 and that is a funeral I'll never forget, as it was excruciatingly painful and heartbreaking for myself and my dear family. Found myself shedding a couple of tears 😢
So heartbreaking. My brother died at 36 and I thought I would never get over it, and then my daughter died at three, and that was the worst thing that has ever happened to me.
@@LostwaveObsession thank you so very much. That was really lovely to think of me and comment, and I really appreciate it and I will take those virtual hugs❤
Dorothy tutin is an outstanding actores. Since Richard 111 i have Followed her on stage films and t v. For me she is up there with the greats. Maggie Smith. Judi dench etc
I can't watch the funeral scene... I can't hear this beautiful hymn ever again. . I loved the 70s, my family... Till the day I was here at the funeral to change everything forever
Overlong but Dorothy Tutin never disappoints. I wish funerals didn't do the sliding the coffin through curtains thing. As a 19 yr old I found that the last straw on the day of my Dad's funeral.
To be honest I thought this was very good. I thought it was well written and very well acted. It was not too long either. Every one was saying and doing thing's which may have been wrong but this is what happen's at any funeral and wedding. I really enjoyed it. Thank you uploading this. This may have been shown or made year's back but it happen's to all of us and I think it's only right it was made into a play. PC. 01. 03. 2023.
Eery coincidence. My mother in law was cremated in the same crematorium some years ago. Like in the film my husband was totally uncontrollably overwhelmed by his own grief in the very last moments of the service.
I remember around this time Ben Cross was being touted/ pushed as the next big thing, and although he did work, 'it' never really happened for him, and mainstream fame at least, went away.
I thought this was brilliant. I think you have to be of a certain age and stage in life to appreciate it. Shows how complicated people are and how all families are dysfunctional to some degree.
I'm no spring chicken but found it so boring I had to keep fast forwarding waiting for something interesting to happen. Maybe I missed something. Can you please explain to me what happened that you thought was good?
@@olgapavlova585 I too was bored during most of this one but was fascinated at the same time. I could not explain either of those states other than to suggest that such para consistency is itself a sociological reality from an emotional standpoint. So i think its the way the quality of the screenplay & its acting got itself over. The best friends remark concerning loneliness i thought was a kind of totem of this play. When it ended as it did i was a bit surprised & maybe theres a scene missing. So even though i found this particular screenplay tedious, there was such sincerity that i could not switch off & tbh this phenomenological element is a PFT trademark. I'm still attracted to this play though its content isn't attractive to me = i'm attracted to PFT's. A crude approximation, but about right far as i'm concerned.
I love dull British dramas from this period. "Is it raining outside still mother?" "It is raining and there is no cabbage in the supermarket so I shall have to serve carrots with dinner" "I HATE YOU why did you murder aunt Alice?" "I like your new jumper"
What strikes me here too is that this is the sort of television that is not on tv now then. Not only as a repeat, although that would be nice, but the sort that would not be made. We all know really that today's tv has so much to it, but really we are saturated with it too alas. Play For Today of course did show these one off dramas, albeit as such in a series at the time then too. They ran from 1970 to 1984 on BBC1 when they were first shown too. I know Alison Graham, who used to write in the Radio Times, said much the same thing in there a few years ago now then too. I know too that the BBC did later do their Screen One films from 1987 to 1994 on BBC1; whilst BBC2 did Screen Two films from 1985 to 1998. They too were one off films as such, but did not really have the same impact that PFT did before them. I know the BBC gave them up to concentrate more on series, as they do now then so too. Thank you anyway of course.
Thank you so much for making this available. Tutin was extraordinary, and she is so good in this. Utterly believable. To say that I really enjoyed this seems a little inappropriate, but it does reflect pretty accurately both the processes around bereavement and the issues around grief within a family pretty accurately, though the speed at which the funeral was available was a bit breath taking. I rather think that some of the comments here seem to reflect more on their issues with that rather than the play itself. I know that through my own bereavements I was constantly surprised by my own reactions and how isolated I felt from others. Also how incomprehensible my family's members suddenly became to each other. I rather wish I had this play then just to give some context. I wonder if her friend ever got to smoke a cigarette, though.
My view is that "Play for to day" is the jewel on the crown of the drama history of BBC.So many generations have enjoyed the variety of topics and issues that the programme presented for its audiences all over the world.This show knew the beginnings of renowned directors like Stephen Frears and actors such as Kenneth Branagh (who had his first acting part in TV in this programme just after leaving the RADA).Millions of foreign people excelled their language watching the plays and even students of English language and culture in so many countries benefited from the videos of the programme scattered in the British Council buildings throughout the globe.Thank you the BBC and thank you England for this artistic,linguistic and cultural treasure.
Dame Dorothy Tutin was an actress whose charm and intelligence made her one of theatre’s most accomplished leading ladies. All her life, she was appalled by the thought that one day old age, infirmity or sickness might make her a burden on others. Like many of her generation she did not like to make a fuss. Quiet fortitude was her style. So during her final illness she did not protest when she was treated with a level of dismissive contempt that amounted to cruelty.When she was quarantined in a bleak and windowless hospital room, Mama - who had been diagnosed with terminal leukaemia - was accorded neither compassion nor care. Vivacious, witty, Dorothy Tutin was one of our greatest actresses... but when she was dying in hospital she was treated like a caged animal Like many of her generation she did not like to make a fuss. Quiet fortitude was her style. So during her final illness she did not protest when she was treated with a level of dismissive contempt that amounted to cruelty. When she was quarantined in a bleak and windowless hospital room, Mama - who had been diagnosed with terminal leukaemia - was accorded neither compassion nor care. Those who were supposed to look after her were thoughtless and perfunctory. When she was given medicines nobody troubled to explain what they were or why they had been prescribed. Her meals were dispensed brusquely and wordlessly. The nurses who bathed her did not pause to consider the intimacy or delicacy of their task. They jostled and prodded her as if she were inanimate. Most insultingly of all, they talked over her rather than to her, discussing their domestic lives and their love affairs in indelicate detail. My mother was alert and articulate. Yet no one bothered to ask her name, much less address her by it. She was 70 when she was admitted to an NHS hospital in 1999 for a course of chemotherapy. She stayed just ten days, marooned in the silent island of that airless room - bereft of conversation; her concerns and fears unacknowledged. ( Extracts from a very sad article published by a loved one of the actress in the mail newspaper)
@The night porter Indeed. It happens in outbreaks and batches i tend to feel, much like malpractices in social work have flaps where its worse, and police brutality ( so on) just seems to occur ad lib & to the embarrassment of all good people in such professions. Something really odd is going on with america atm with outlandish false arrests. Mainly motorists and pedestrians pulled up for no reason & next thing they know they are on the ground. One officer refused to believe a driver wasn't drunk even after he blew 0.00 at the station. The completely docile MOP was trusted up like Hannibal lecter while it all went on. But as for this earlier Tutin thing, i could never understand the corporal punishment minded person of the 60's. I know it was a hangover from the war, but some people were still certain a war like depravity had some purpose. I think this was met with a 'new wave' of kind people in the public sector though tbh, and somehow two tribes co-existed in schools - hospitals etc. I know the treatment Tutin got could still happen in the 90's being aware of disgusting treatment a friend received. She was carrying had been detected with a congenital defect, and this baby was removed as though it was a piece of rubbish. I'm sure that the militarised style of mind historically isn't a coincidence wherever it happens. Its a sign that something very WRONG is afoot ands that a faction of bullies has injected fear of reprisal into that local system. I this sense 'cancel culture' is as old as the hills and was always around. For example i investigated the case ofc very posh school that was administering exceptionally suspicious over zealousness on both students and parents to the point is was brutal and paranoid. Parents were scared and an underground group had formed to discuss the problem. Two were school staff who had blown the whistle only to be sacked. Those who tried to remove their children were getting visits from the police and social services ( suffices it this was all very very oppressive ). From the outside it looked like another 'Tutin' styler thing i.e thats harsh & weird. But once it unravelled the entire mystery wasn't one - it was criminality and corruption. Now i'm the 'investigator' as i have a student there and already find hes locked in. After not too long i'd got a tip off and invite to where get into this parent meeting which was in a country pub. It was there that i found out the problem was educator on student sexual predation and that 2nd case had just happened. Two rather distraught parents were present as their son had been molested by a teacher to the school but they called the police to arrest the student and placed a gagging order on it immediately. The parents spoke in a code - besides once it was all over the police wrote a letter of apology and compensation was paid ( finally ). But so the sex offender was protected the case went all the way to the CPS before being dropped wasting 4 years just so a fiddler could walk free. I got my boy out by convincing the locals authorities chief phycologist and the leader of SEN that the schools leader was mentally ill with Dissociative Identity Disorder. During my investigations i was not put off by the police visits, social service referrals, teachers parking up outside the house and filming, letters from a solicitor in Sevenoaks threatening legal action & i place extreme pressure on the school as i had completely decoded what was wrong by then. Inasmuch i'd been informed of the sex cases, but also worked out what 'must thus/therefore' be their internal turmoil. Because you see my decode didn't just pinpoint the sex crime given that : there were behaviours not explained by that problem. Money needs to be involved for agencies such as were butting in so much to even be doing that. THUS i figured that the trustees had to be stealing the donations which were MASSIVE - celebrity board & MBE'S IN ETC So instead of cowering i did the opposite. BOMBARDED BOMBARDED BOMBARDED them with a forensic style report that used scientific and esoteric meta narratives that never accused them of anything, yet it could NOT have been more clear what i thought they were doing even if it had been stated in common language. As for the Head with the D.I.D. - that day i'd actually gone in to put meta narrative propaganda around the place. After all the position was that major FRAUD was taking place & as that was present sex on children was then deemed 'permissable' as the all had to be kept secret. This is where most parents could not see what was wrong. To them the sex and oppression thing was the prime mover. NOPE the serious fraud was the entity that was powering by opportunism all over activity even adult on student sex. They just could not afford to get the law in with that fraud going on so some took advantage. Most of these staff were also trained social workers and/or had done several jobs in Kent. This lot could pull bent local establishment favours like no other regime i have seen. My boys in this HELL and the only way out was direct conflict and to heel with their tools. I'd had meeting with the head & their was a particular vice principle of care, a registered social worker, who i knew was main henchman. He was the guy who mainly plotted the referrals to SS etc. As i was leaving he came running out to see me. From the way he spoke it was obvious he was extremely nervous and he was apologising for certain things. I.e referring to SS , running an illegal procedure on the school intranet that lied to all staff there was a SS injunction ( all staff refrain from communication from such parents if that flag on on the system ) Well every parent had one of these going, but i was the only person who decoded that.But anyway he got into a right state - and suddenly something very strange happened. He began grabbing by the hands and addressing me as 'Vice Cannon' and trying to apologies for the 'Affair'. Naturally i was shocked , but not long after i left. About 2 months later something of great concern happened to another parent with respect to a newer student who'd gone in at some point in past 6 months. Founds crying on the kerb with door of car wide open by one of the 'group' parents - the young woman explained she was being threatened by the school and didn't know what it was all about. It was the usual. SS referral. threats letters visits. I heard about this and i was only getting more and more concerned in case a nonce got my boy and the school had him arrested. So - all i know is that i have one thing. Keep hitting them with messages that cannot be deemed allegations that open the other hand show i know exactly what they are doing. So i emailed a fresh ream of meta narratives and drove the 80 miles ( its a boarding school btw i never mentioned that ) and turned up unannounced to see the Head. The D.i.D. was waiting for me and had an intense expression on his face as i parked in the grand circle of the drive in the parking space reserved for a most senior official. I saw his weedy underlings with smoke coming from ears through the reception window too. I'd forgotten about the strange episode mainly, one does not so automatically trust that such a display is BIG in the scheme of any things as its so unusual. No you kind of brush it off and just carry on. BUT they way he was all messy and nervous like last time was sort of reminiscent & i thought i was only joking when i spontaneously remarked '' I hope you haven'y been naughty with Mrs Cousins at church again James' Then - to my utter astonishment he refers to me as 'Vice Cannon' again lol - not denying he had sex with this parishioner ?, but begging to be excused again. Hes got me by the hand and won't let go. Then his posse run out shouting OIIIIII OIIII etc leave him alone ( they mean ME leave him alone lol ) So i start walking backwards rapidly, but with all the shouting and commotion it only makes the sex addict worse. So while i'm trying to get away from him hes still chasing and begging and now the crowd are running after ME with him shouting leave him alone (hahahaha ) Luckily being fit ( and regular runner ) i could get ahead and get some film. They'd basically defaulted to trying to make a citizens arrest because all crime on parents was crime on staff far as they were concerned. These were mad people. They could not even see that their leader was entirely dissociated from his central personality. I'm trained in cognitive neuroscience & my guess would be serious drug problem( prob C ) that was causing an already criminally minded and unstable person to dissociate to degree greater than an average person would. Plus in this case the trustees were paranoid and exerting inhuman pressures in educators to bully parents.HOWEVER - on my way back to the car i found a phone one of them. When i looked in there it had indecent images of children on it.
Its wasn't the D.I.D.'s phone = a penny drops. Reason i went out of my way to 'write a book' here is that i hope more people do & thus more becomes understood somehow. Because the trouble is that theres crooks everywhere within the system and they are causing a massive amount of weird mysteries. For example - to the rest of the underground group these matters i described ( and believe me i chopped the details down so much you've seen 0.000000001) - these happenings were INDECIPHERABLE. I also majored in Phenomenology & even though i had no clue myself i was so desperate o get our son safe from these mental and criminal safe guarder industry scum that i wasn't going to care about 'action'. Luckily knowing mind science and a causation science enabled me to create lab type experiments to see what they threw up. The arrest of the second student with him being accused of being the offender was the last straw!! - i mean gagging order / CPS agree to prosecute etc - therefore possibly only a matter of time before our boy ended up like that = had to take action differently as they had a system in place that reversed the lands normal law actions. = It had to be RADICAL - you avoided the police and other services totally. But the point was hoping people would see one important thing. Even when things are cloaked in impenetrable mystery, its all as EASY as pie to see why it happened , and how it was once what these people were doing is opened up. The school had at least 4 leaders conducting a cover up to prevent genuine law enforcement taking place. You do not do NOT go out of your way to preserve the rights of adult on young person sex offenders unless you are one. Secondly ? - you don't think you can get away with it unless you KNOW that ALL the local services WILL NOT INVESTIGATE. How does one know they won't ?.Well there has to be some close relations with such agencies and forces to have such knowledge. Once the press got copies of the images THAT WAS GONE!. But as i say Night Porter please don'y wonder why the huge letter out of the blue. What happens is a lot of weird tyranny and abuse and NO answers usually. I'm hoping others see this and that it just might show what was rotten underneath just for once School with BIG donation income had been infiltrated for tapping off. The persons were types who's use the full force of the law. Serious drug use going on in the management. ONLY THEN did these various X Y Z factors cause a state where some were determined that any legitimate law enforcement that was needed would be KEPT OUT no matter what. = Not a 'ring' by any means = weak people who could not keep hands off saw that there was nothing to stop them - SIMPLES! TC
Hi Suzanne, I really enjoyed the knitted outfit week I don’t have a channel but I did dress all of my babies in knitted and crocheted outfits. Have a wonderful day and stay safe and healthy xoxo ❤.
There’s a definitely feel of the early 80’s I remember having a sound system like that . Great story yet I feel very sad that the plays became about middle class people, even though we were middle class , yet we didn’t talk like a BBC presenter
Thank you for this of course, which is most interesting too. I have not seen it before, but it is wonderfully done so then too. Dorothy Tutin reminds me of the now sadly also late Geraldine McEwan facially, but actors of old who certainly knew what they were doing. Innes Lloyd produced it, he went onto do the first series of Alan Bennett's Talking Heads also, first shown in 1988 on BBC1 of course. I know I later read alas that he died in 1991 though later on too. I am guessing that the shot at the end is of the River Thames west of London, but am not too sure though. Well done too.
I think that had to be chiswick bridge & mortlake crem. I grew up in W12 ( widow remarks that postcode early on ) and think the house must have been on the wormholt estate. But i could not identify much of the area from shots as if it was done variously.
I cannot get over how similar in looks and mannerisms that Tutin looks like Geraldine McEwan! I thought I was watching McEwan until I started reading the comments! Incredible
That line "You'd be a little upset if your husband just dropped down DEAD!" is pretty heavy considering it's being said to actress Judy Loe, who lost her husband very suddenly a few years prior, and I think many folks watching in 82 would been aware of that. It gives the story a hidden deprh outside the plot. It is a bit like when Audie Murphy was cast as the scared young soldier in the Red Badge of Courage when most people would have been aware that he'd had to kill hundreds of men in real battle.
They sing this hymn at our baptist church. Not a bad movie Ben Cross as usual excellent. He also played Barnabas Collins in the 1991 revival, miniseries of Dark Shadows. An american soap opera originated in 1966-71.
Still, I suppose it's really the parents' fault,for bringing the children up to believe that they are the centre of the universe,which they'd do well to remember,they certainly are NOT!
Worth watching, just to get an idea of how radically times have changed. The pace of life really was much slower back then and people weren't buried in their ruddy mobiles the entire time. Technology and 'progress' always come at a price. We've lost something of fundamental importance, I believe.
When I saw Judy Loe in the thumbnail, I immediately thought it was something to do with the sad loss of her husband Richard Beckinsale who died suddenly in May, 1979...three years before this was screened.
most people will go through this ,having to lose loved ones ,takes pieces out of you the more you lose // you don't get over it ,you learn to live with all the pain loneliness etc brilliant drama
I think its a very sad day and you want to be alone with your memories my beauiful mum and dad died they are together in the grave yard which is nice just remember haappy times and have a nice photo of them and buy flowers that look real but are not there be in the church yard forever😢😊 keep smiling
Moving along; it seems the son is just as bad; angry that the father's untimely death has ruined his plans to go off with another woman! My God! Who would want 'children'?
As usual Dorothy Tutin was brilliant. I am trying to find a tv show she acted in that had an eerie vibe about it. I remember her wandering thru a vacant house and recalling WWII memories. I cannot find any info on it but am hoping it's familiar to someone. Thank you.
Probably “The Demon Lover”, an adaptation of an Elizabeth Bowen horror/ghost story. Available on RUclips, I think, and absolutely fantastic, unforgettable.
Have to say, although very compelling in its story, I found some of the acting/direction a little over dramatised in this one , even though it was a very dramatic situation. Some parts of it were quite Shakespearean in its performance. My goodness the GP calling on spec !! How things have changed. The dress shop assistant was unreal, like something out of the Adams family.
Have always had an attraction to PFT, though when younger their realism seemed pointless as same was all around, but there was something about them. Which i suppose is why its so amazing to have the chance to see them now. There is gloom & even boredom in many of them i'd fear, and i know there some i'll avoid watching. But there are some incredible plays among them & i'm glad i watched this one even though it was sort of tedious. I'd feel its the sincere acting that is compulsive. And i've found that plays that were hard to stay with are counter intuitively hard not to stay with as they are so well acted When the widow asked her lifelong friend about loneliness sums this up perhaps. Friends reply was adorable poignant & so very realistic as a scene. I felt like crying for a PFT character knowing full well its NOT 1983 nor was the depiction fact. I suppose somethings either got suspension of disbelief or hasn't, and these plays were exactly how life was lived back then.
Bloody hectic! That was depressing. I kept waiting for something to happen. Like, she really didn't care, and got off to Mexico with the doctor. Or her friend may have confessed to having an affair with her husband or he came back to speak with her. But no, her husband died, she didn't cry, the children didn't seem to care, she bought a dress from a posh woman and owed Pauline Quirk £7. Ah well... back to Netflix
Exactly what is wrong today, reality is so dull,.... but this was in fact an excellent play about someone whose longterm partner died suddenly, today is all saints day tomorrow all souls, it is hard when someone dies and you have no mourning ritual
@@davidjones6778 Ah! I started watching some of these from the earlier series. But I give up. Another decade of this unaleaviated woe would necessitate psychotherapy!
Hitchens provoked so much thought the C of E was able to be infiltrated and asset stripped by european aristocrats. Who now have oil executives installed so that the church cannot defend public wealth. Which is why national trust land such as Dartmoor & the lake district is being sold off at peppercorn rates to same types of elite. In fact they intend to treat these islands as their islands and buy it all up. Which is why the '15 Minute City' have been devised - its a Toll. Smart Motorways - Tolls. Will there be a park or pavement the aristocrats and globalists haven't obtained privately is the question. But First ? - they needed useful idiots in new atheism to help destroy the C of E.
I got bored with the mother playing the long suffering martyr while her hubby until he dropped down dead was a philanderer putting it about all over the place.
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Dorothy Tutin was an excellent actress. Her face told you how she was feeling and she could create any type of personality.
Very evocative and provocative and anyone who doesn’t appreciate this fine drama is either very superficial or very young or both. The angst and the atmosphere of such occasions is exceeding well executed. Thought provoking and consoling for anyone who has suffered bereavement. First class drama. Well done.
Very well done. It bought back extremely sad memories for me, especially the last part as the hymn 'abide with me' was sung....my brother James died in 2020 aged 39 and that is a funeral I'll never forget, as it was excruciatingly painful and heartbreaking for myself and my dear family. Found myself shedding a couple of tears 😢
So heartbreaking. My brother died at 36 and I thought I would never get over it, and then my daughter died at three, and that was the worst thing that has ever happened to me.
@@bethshields4903 I don't know you, I'm just reading comments, but your comments made me cry. I want to send a virtual hug.
@@LostwaveObsession thank you so very much. That was really lovely to think of me and comment, and I really appreciate it and I will take those virtual hugs❤
@@bethshields4903 another virtual hug...
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Dorothy tutin is an outstanding actores. Since Richard 111 i have Followed her on stage films and t v. For me she is up there with the greats. Maggie Smith. Judi dench etc
I can't watch the funeral scene... I can't hear this beautiful hymn ever again. . I loved the 70s, my family... Till the day I was here at the funeral to change everything forever
Beautifully done. Noticed the late, earnest Ben Cross but also the chap who played the Irish Priest, both cast in Chariots of Fire. Thank you. ☺
Ben Cross played Harold Abraham and the Irish priest played Sandy (Eric’s amateur trainer).
A young "Nick Cotton" giving up his seat on the Tube!
lol was it really hehe i didn't notice him.
@@cameroncameron2826Yes it was John Altman great actor.
Richard Beckinsales wife. She sadly had this to deal with when he died suddenly from a heart attack at a young age, a sad loss!
Thank you for posting, fantastic plays which are really character driven. 🙏
Overlong but Dorothy Tutin never disappoints. I wish funerals didn't do the sliding the coffin through curtains thing. As a 19 yr old I found that the last straw on the day of my Dad's funeral.
What do you expect? Can't watch it burn.
Completely with you here , there's no need .My relative wasn't put on the 'stage' at all until we left .
What would you do?
That's really creepy. Is it a British thing?
I believe they don’t do it anymore. They wait until you leave
To be honest I thought this was very good. I thought it was well written and very well acted. It was not too long either. Every one was saying and doing thing's which may have been wrong but this is what happen's at any funeral and wedding. I really enjoyed it. Thank you uploading this. This may have been shown or made year's back but it happen's to all of us and I think it's only right it was made into a play. PC. 01. 03. 2023.
Quelle belle série ! Je te regarde depuis la Belgique.
My lovely Mother has just passed on 13th December 2023...this is poignant.
Eery coincidence. My mother in law was cremated in the same crematorium some years ago. Like in the film my husband was totally uncontrollably overwhelmed by his own grief in the very last moments of the service.
R.I.P. Dorothy Tutin and Ben Cross, gone too soon.
I remember around this time Ben Cross was being touted/ pushed as the next big thing, and although he did work, 'it' never really happened for him, and mainstream fame at least, went away.
I thought this was brilliant. I think you have to be of a certain age and stage in life to appreciate it. Shows how complicated people are and how all families are dysfunctional to some degree.
Totally agree . I blame it on the old hormones lol . 😆
I'm no spring chicken but found it so boring I had to keep fast forwarding waiting for something interesting to happen. Maybe I missed something. Can you please explain to me what happened that you thought was good?
@@olgapavlova585 Olga, you either appreciate the pace & tone of this type of production or you don’t.
@@deanphoto2 agreed. Asking someone to justify a play, especially of this type is a bit much.
@@olgapavlova585 I too was bored during most of this one but was fascinated at the same time. I could not explain either of those states other than to suggest that such para consistency is itself a sociological reality from an emotional standpoint. So i think its the way the quality of the screenplay & its acting got itself over. The best friends remark concerning loneliness i thought was a kind of totem of this play. When it ended as it did i was a bit surprised & maybe theres a scene missing. So even though i found this particular screenplay tedious, there was such sincerity that i could not switch off & tbh this phenomenological element is a PFT trademark.
I'm still attracted to this play though its content isn't attractive to me = i'm attracted to PFT's. A crude approximation, but about right far as i'm concerned.
Brilliant to se these again I was 12 giving my adge away but Drama like this we don't get anymore it's all love Island etc
I love dull British dramas from this period. "Is it raining outside still mother?" "It is raining and there is no cabbage in the supermarket so I shall have to serve carrots with dinner" "I HATE YOU why did you murder aunt Alice?" "I like your new jumper"
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What strikes me here too is that this is the sort of television that is not on tv now then. Not only as a repeat, although that would be nice, but the sort that would not be made. We all know really that today's tv has so much to it, but really we are saturated with it too alas. Play For Today of course did show these one off dramas, albeit as such in a series at the time then too. They ran from 1970 to 1984 on BBC1 when they were first shown too. I know Alison Graham, who used to write in the Radio Times, said much the same thing in there a few years ago now then too. I know too that the BBC did later do their Screen One films from 1987 to 1994 on BBC1; whilst BBC2 did Screen Two films from 1985 to 1998. They too were one off films as such, but did not really have the same impact that PFT did before them. I know the BBC gave them up to concentrate more on series, as they do now then so too. Thank you anyway of course.
Thank you so much for making this available. Tutin was extraordinary, and she is so good in this. Utterly believable.
To say that I really enjoyed this seems a little inappropriate, but it does reflect pretty accurately both the processes around bereavement and the issues around grief within a family pretty accurately, though the speed at which the funeral was available was a bit breath taking.
I rather think that some of the comments here seem to reflect more on their issues with that rather than the play itself. I know that through my own bereavements I was constantly surprised by my own reactions and how isolated I felt from others. Also how incomprehensible my family's members suddenly became to each other. I rather wish I had this play then just to give some context.
I wonder if her friend ever got to smoke a cigarette, though.
Dreary so far, maybe it’ll pick up towards the end.
My view is that "Play for to day" is the jewel on the crown of the drama history of BBC.So many generations have enjoyed the variety of topics and issues that the programme presented for its audiences all over the world.This show knew the beginnings of renowned directors like Stephen Frears and actors such as Kenneth Branagh (who had his first acting part in TV in this programme just after leaving the RADA).Millions of foreign people excelled their language watching the plays and even students of English language and culture in so many countries benefited from the videos of the programme scattered in the British Council buildings throughout the globe.Thank you the BBC and thank you England for this artistic,linguistic and cultural treasure.
Back in the day my mum and I started watching these plays in hopeful expectation but quickly gave up as we couldn't take all the doom and gloom!
Wtf…..there’s tons of drama or comedy….and all else….you must one of those hide your head people.
I’m 13 minutes in and everyone is so unlikeable.
Very gloomy.
At least in those days they didnt use that sloppy near to meaningless trendy word "back in the day".
I know what you mean...they are heavy going.
Dame Dorothy Tutin was an actress whose charm and intelligence made her one of theatre’s most accomplished leading ladies. All her life, she was appalled by the thought that one day old age, infirmity or sickness might make her a burden on others. Like many of her generation she did not like to make a fuss. Quiet fortitude was her style. So during her final illness she did not protest when she was treated with a level of dismissive contempt that amounted to cruelty.When she was quarantined in a bleak and windowless hospital room, Mama - who had been diagnosed with terminal leukaemia - was accorded neither compassion nor care. Vivacious, witty, Dorothy Tutin was one of our greatest actresses... but when she was dying in hospital she was treated like a caged animal Like many of her generation she did not like to make a fuss. Quiet fortitude was her style. So during her final illness she did not protest when she was treated with a level of dismissive contempt that amounted to cruelty. When she was quarantined in a bleak and windowless hospital room, Mama - who had been diagnosed with terminal leukaemia - was accorded neither compassion nor care. Those who were supposed to look after her were thoughtless and perfunctory. When she was given medicines nobody troubled to explain what they were or why they had been prescribed. Her meals were dispensed brusquely and wordlessly.
The nurses who bathed her did not pause to consider the intimacy or delicacy of their task. They jostled and prodded her as if she were inanimate. Most insultingly of all, they talked over her rather than to her, discussing their domestic lives and their love affairs in indelicate detail. My mother was alert and articulate. Yet no one bothered to ask her name, much less address her by it. She was 70 when she was admitted to an NHS hospital in 1999 for a course of chemotherapy. She stayed just ten days, marooned in the silent island of that airless room - bereft of conversation; her concerns and fears unacknowledged.
( Extracts from a very sad article published by a loved one of the actress in the mail newspaper)
@The night porter Indeed. It happens in outbreaks and batches i tend to feel, much like malpractices in social work have flaps where its worse, and police brutality ( so on) just seems to occur ad lib & to the embarrassment of all good people in such professions. Something really odd is going on with america atm with outlandish false arrests. Mainly motorists and pedestrians pulled up for no reason & next thing they know they are on the ground. One officer refused to believe a driver wasn't drunk even after he blew 0.00 at the station. The completely docile MOP was trusted up like Hannibal lecter while it all went on. But as for this earlier Tutin thing, i could never understand the corporal punishment minded person of the 60's. I know it was a hangover from the war, but some people were still certain a war like depravity had some purpose. I think this was met with a 'new wave' of kind people in the public sector though tbh, and somehow two tribes co-existed in schools - hospitals etc. I know the treatment Tutin got could still happen in the 90's being aware of disgusting treatment a friend received. She was carrying had been detected with a congenital defect, and this baby was removed as though it was a piece of rubbish. I'm sure that the militarised style of mind historically isn't a coincidence wherever it happens. Its a sign that something very WRONG is afoot ands that a faction of bullies has injected fear of reprisal into that local system. I this sense 'cancel culture' is as old as the hills and was always around. For example i investigated the case ofc very posh school that was administering exceptionally suspicious over zealousness on both students and parents to the point is was brutal and paranoid. Parents were scared and an underground group had formed to discuss the problem. Two were school staff who had blown the whistle only to be sacked. Those who tried to remove their children were getting visits from the police and social services ( suffices it this was all very very oppressive ). From the outside it looked like another 'Tutin' styler thing i.e thats harsh & weird. But once it unravelled the entire mystery wasn't one - it was criminality and corruption. Now i'm the 'investigator' as i have a student there and already find hes locked in. After not too long i'd got a tip off and invite to where get into this parent meeting which was in a country pub. It was there that i found out the problem was educator on student sexual predation and that 2nd case had just happened. Two rather distraught parents were present as their son had been molested by a teacher to the school but they called the police to arrest the student and placed a gagging order on it immediately. The parents spoke in a code - besides once it was all over the police wrote a letter of apology and compensation was paid ( finally ). But so the sex offender was protected the case went all the way to the CPS before being dropped wasting 4 years just so a fiddler could walk free. I got my boy out by convincing the locals authorities chief phycologist and the leader of SEN that the schools leader was mentally ill with Dissociative Identity Disorder. During my investigations i was not put off by the police visits, social service referrals, teachers parking up outside the house and filming, letters from a solicitor in Sevenoaks threatening legal action & i place extreme pressure on the school as i had completely decoded what was wrong by then. Inasmuch i'd been informed of the sex cases, but also worked out what 'must thus/therefore' be their internal turmoil. Because you see my decode didn't just pinpoint the sex crime given that :
there were behaviours not explained by that problem.
Money needs to be involved for agencies such as were butting in so much to even be doing that.
THUS i figured that the trustees had to be stealing the donations which were MASSIVE - celebrity board & MBE'S IN ETC
So instead of cowering i did the opposite. BOMBARDED BOMBARDED BOMBARDED them with a forensic style report that used scientific and esoteric meta narratives that never accused them of anything, yet it could NOT have been more clear what i thought they were doing even if it had been stated in common language.
As for the Head with the D.I.D. - that day i'd actually gone in to put meta narrative propaganda around the place. After all the position was that major FRAUD was taking place & as that was present sex on children was then deemed 'permissable' as the all had to be kept secret. This is where most parents could not see what was wrong. To them the sex and oppression thing was the prime mover. NOPE the serious fraud was the entity that was powering by opportunism all over activity even adult on student sex. They just could not afford to get the law in with that fraud going on so some took advantage. Most of these staff were also trained social workers and/or had done several jobs in Kent. This lot could pull bent local establishment favours like no other regime i have seen. My boys in this HELL and the only way out was direct conflict and to heel with their tools. I'd had meeting with the head & their was a particular vice principle of care, a registered social worker, who i knew was main henchman. He was the guy who mainly plotted the referrals to SS etc. As i was leaving he came running out to see me. From the way he spoke it was obvious he was extremely nervous and he was apologising for certain things. I.e referring to SS , running an illegal procedure on the school intranet that lied to all staff there was a SS injunction ( all staff refrain from communication from such parents if that flag on on the system ) Well every parent had one of these going, but i was the only person who decoded that.But anyway he got into a right state - and suddenly something very strange happened. He began grabbing by the hands and addressing me as 'Vice Cannon' and trying to apologies for the 'Affair'. Naturally i was shocked , but not long after i left. About 2 months later something of great concern happened to another parent with respect to a newer student who'd gone in at some point in past 6 months. Founds crying on the kerb with door of car wide open by one of the 'group' parents - the young woman explained she was being threatened by the school and didn't know what it was all about. It was the usual. SS referral. threats letters visits. I heard about this and i was only getting more and more concerned in case a nonce got my boy and the school had him arrested. So - all i know is that i have one thing. Keep hitting them with messages that cannot be deemed allegations that open the other hand show i know exactly what they are doing. So i emailed a fresh ream of meta narratives and drove the 80 miles ( its a boarding school btw i never mentioned that ) and turned up unannounced to see the Head. The D.i.D. was waiting for me and had an intense expression on his face as i parked in the grand circle of the drive in the parking space reserved for a most senior official. I saw his weedy underlings with smoke coming from ears through the reception window too. I'd forgotten about the strange episode mainly, one does not so automatically trust that such a display is BIG in the scheme of any things as its so unusual. No you kind of brush it off and just carry on. BUT they way he was all messy and nervous like last time was sort of reminiscent & i thought i was only joking when i spontaneously remarked '' I hope you haven'y been naughty with Mrs Cousins at church again James' Then - to my utter astonishment he refers to me as 'Vice Cannon' again lol - not denying he had sex with this parishioner ?, but begging to be excused again. Hes got me by the hand and won't let go. Then his posse run out shouting OIIIIII OIIII etc leave him alone ( they mean ME leave him alone lol ) So i start walking backwards rapidly, but with all the shouting and commotion it only makes the sex addict worse. So while i'm trying to get away from him hes still chasing and begging and now the crowd are running after ME with him shouting leave him alone (hahahaha ) Luckily being fit ( and regular runner ) i could get ahead and get some film. They'd basically defaulted to trying to make a citizens arrest because all crime on parents was crime on staff far as they were concerned. These were mad people. They could not even see that their leader was entirely dissociated from his central personality. I'm trained in cognitive neuroscience & my guess would be serious drug problem( prob C ) that was causing an already criminally minded and unstable person to dissociate to degree greater than an average person would. Plus in this case the trustees were paranoid and exerting inhuman pressures in educators to bully parents.HOWEVER - on my way back to the car i found a phone one of them. When i looked in there it had indecent images of children on it.
Its wasn't the D.I.D.'s phone = a penny drops. Reason i went out of my way to 'write a book' here is that i hope more people do & thus more becomes understood somehow. Because the trouble is that theres crooks everywhere within the system and they are causing a massive amount of weird mysteries. For example - to the rest of the underground group these matters i described ( and believe me i chopped the details down so much you've seen 0.000000001) - these happenings were INDECIPHERABLE. I also majored in Phenomenology & even though i had no clue myself i was so desperate o get our son safe from these mental and criminal safe guarder industry scum that i wasn't going to care about 'action'. Luckily knowing mind science and a causation science enabled me to create lab type experiments to see what they threw up. The arrest of the second student with him being accused of being the offender was the last straw!! - i mean gagging order / CPS agree to prosecute etc - therefore possibly only a matter of time before our boy ended up like that = had to take action differently as they had a system in place that reversed the lands normal law actions. = It had to be RADICAL - you avoided the police and other services totally.
But the point was hoping people would see one important thing. Even when things are cloaked in impenetrable mystery, its all as EASY as pie to see why it happened , and how it was once what these people were doing is opened up. The school had at least 4 leaders conducting a cover up to prevent genuine law enforcement taking place. You do not do NOT go out of your way to preserve the rights of adult on young person sex offenders unless you are one. Secondly ? - you don't think you can get away with it unless you KNOW that ALL the local services WILL NOT INVESTIGATE.
How does one know they won't ?.Well there has to be some close relations with such agencies and forces to have such knowledge. Once the press got copies of the images THAT WAS GONE!.
But as i say Night Porter please don'y wonder why the huge letter out of the blue. What happens is a lot of weird tyranny and abuse and NO answers usually. I'm hoping others see this and that it just might show what was rotten underneath just for once
School with BIG donation income had been infiltrated for tapping off. The persons were types who's use the full force of the law. Serious drug use going on in the management.
ONLY THEN did these various X Y Z factors cause a state where some were determined that any legitimate law enforcement that was needed would be KEPT OUT no matter what.
= Not a 'ring' by any means = weak people who could not keep hands off saw that there was nothing to stop them - SIMPLES!
TC
Beautifully acted. Tustin Magnificent
Brilliant writing and acting
Life and death we all have face it and deal with it. Sooner or later we all die.
You think!
Later...hopefully!! 🤞🤞
Cheers! 😮💨
Hi Suzanne, I really enjoyed the knitted outfit week I don’t have a channel but I did dress all of my babies in knitted and crocheted outfits. Have a wonderful day and stay safe and healthy xoxo ❤.
There’s a definitely feel of the early 80’s I remember having a sound system like that . Great story yet I feel very sad that the plays became about middle class people, even though we were middle class , yet we didn’t talk like a BBC presenter
Nowadays it's largely the other way around. People often sound too working class somehow.
Thank you for this of course, which is most interesting too. I have not seen it before, but it is wonderfully done so then too. Dorothy Tutin reminds me of the now sadly also late Geraldine McEwan facially, but actors of old who certainly knew what they were doing. Innes Lloyd produced it, he went onto do the first series of Alan Bennett's Talking Heads also, first shown in 1988 on BBC1 of course. I know I later read alas that he died in 1991 though later on too. I am guessing that the shot at the end is of the River Thames west of London, but am not too sure though. Well done too.
I think that had to be chiswick bridge & mortlake crem. I grew up in W12 ( widow remarks that postcode early on ) and think the house must have been on the wormholt estate. But i could not identify much of the area from shots as if it was done variously.
@@cameroncameron2826 I am sure of course that you are right there too. Thank you for your interesting reply too.
I cannot get over how similar in looks and mannerisms that Tutin looks like Geraldine McEwan! I thought I was watching McEwan until I started reading the comments! Incredible
The black dude at the start played "Angel" in SCUM, clocked him straight off.
The best Play for today was Nuts in May, sooo funny.
"You never give up being Catholic. You just become a bad Catholic." I know the feeling.
A young Pauline Quirk! X
Where?
@@RockDove5212 In the supermarket.
@@wendyeyles3560 That’s right, I think she was serving, wasn't she? X
@@cajsheen2594 Yes.she was. A very young Pauline Quirke.
@@wendyeyles3560 Thanks Hun, only I thought I'd lost another marble! X
Beautifully done.
Oh, sadly, pretty soon Judy Loe would lose her husband, the delicious Richard Beckinsdale
Seems Clare, his sad and sudden passing was three years earlier in May 1979.
This play was screened in Feb 1982.
@@bimmeroo0906 ohh, cheers for the info. She’s a hell of an actress to do this play so soon after losing him.
That line "You'd be a little upset if your husband just dropped down DEAD!" is pretty heavy considering it's being said to actress Judy Loe, who lost her husband very suddenly a few years prior, and I think many folks watching in 82 would been aware of that. It gives the story a hidden deprh outside the plot. It is a bit like when Audie Murphy was cast as the scared young soldier in the Red Badge of Courage when most people would have been aware that he'd had to kill hundreds of men in real battle.
"South Riding " worth a watch.
A very fresh faced Pauline Quirke!
Thank you for sharing.
Interesting and relatable.
very relatable
They sing this hymn at our baptist church. Not a bad movie Ben Cross as usual excellent. He also played Barnabas Collins in the 1991 revival, miniseries of Dark Shadows. An american soap opera originated in 1966-71.
Thank you for sharing it
Still, I suppose it's really the parents' fault,for bringing the children up to believe that they are the centre of the universe,which they'd do well to remember,they certainly are NOT!
Very good. Thanks for sharing.
A young Pauline Whatsit from Birds Of A Feather.
Nasty Nick from Eastenders, Dot Cotton's son.
Pegged him straight away... old crushes never completely go away lol.
Haha clocked him
Worth watching, just to get an idea of how radically times have changed.
The pace of life really was much slower back then and people weren't buried in their ruddy mobiles the entire time.
Technology and 'progress' always come at a price.
We've lost something of fundamental importance, I believe.
Ben Cross of Chariots of fire fame .R.I.P
When I saw Judy Loe in the thumbnail, I immediately thought it was something to do with the sad loss
of her husband Richard Beckinsale who died suddenly in May, 1979...three years before this was screened.
March 19th 1979 he died, very sad , his first wife Margaret told me she was probably the last person he spoke to that night bless him.
most people will go through this ,having to lose loved ones ,takes pieces out of you the more you lose // you don't get over it ,you learn to live with all the pain loneliness etc brilliant drama
Kate Beckinsale's mum!
Can’t imagine the GP turning up to the house now!
I think its a very sad day and you want to be alone with your memories my beauiful mum and dad died they are together in the grave yard which is nice just remember haappy times and have a nice photo of them and buy flowers that look real but are not there be in the church yard forever😢😊 keep smiling
Must have been quite poignant for Richard Beckinsale's widow, Judie Loe, who went through it for real.
When I see Dorothy Tutin I think of South Riding , she was great in this too , they don’t make ‘em like Play for Today anymore sadly .
Back when the BBC and ITV ploughed out weekly plays day after day. Very good.
'Nasty Nick' Cotton giving up his seat on the train for her, not so nasty ;-).
Excellent 👌💕
@30:47 - Ah ha ha ha ! I recognise that priest, he also played a priest in "BOYS FROM THE BLACK STUFF" ( "Dan, call me Dan." " I'm desperate, Dan !" )
Judy Loe was Richard Beckinsale's wife.
BLOODY NORA NICK COTTON BEEN KIND FOR ONCE
'Would you like to sit down' guy at the start had a decent career.
Is the Black guy in the registry office Angel from Scum?
HI, Can anyone shine a light on the secret about Polly and what she was told at the beginning. Just didn't get it.
What a grim play!
Moving along; it seems the son is just as bad; angry that the father's untimely death has ruined his plans to go off with another woman! My God! Who would want 'children'?
It was grim but we didn't know it was grim
As usual Dorothy Tutin was brilliant.
I am trying to find a tv show she acted in that had an eerie vibe about it. I remember her wandering thru a vacant house and recalling WWII memories.
I cannot find any info on it but am hoping it's familiar to someone.
Thank you.
Probably “The Demon Lover”, an adaptation of an Elizabeth Bowen horror/ghost story. Available on RUclips, I think, and absolutely fantastic, unforgettable.
@@bonnacon1610 Thank you so much for providing that info.
Much appreciated!
@@bonnacon1610 I just found it!
I've been searching for this for so long so I'm absolutely thrilled!
You are wonderful!
@@maureenkirby1207 Always happy to help with these precious shards from the past. Enjoy!
@@bonnacon1610 I wish more people appreciated these "rare gems".
You really made my day!
that's an hour i will never get back
Have to say, although very compelling in its story, I found some of the acting/direction a little over dramatised in this one , even though it was a very dramatic situation. Some parts of it were quite Shakespearean in its performance. My goodness the GP calling on spec !! How things have changed. The dress shop assistant was unreal, like something out of the Adams family.
Actually her description as "right out of Hammer horror" was quite perceptive!
Nasty Nick up to his old tricks again pick pocketing on the tube
Thanks for sharing
Think that was Pauline quirk working on the til.
Have always had an attraction to PFT, though when younger their realism seemed pointless as same was all around, but there was something about them. Which i suppose is why its so amazing to have the chance to see them now. There is gloom & even boredom in many of them i'd fear, and i know there some i'll avoid watching. But there are some incredible plays among them & i'm glad i watched this one even though it was sort of tedious. I'd feel its the sincere acting that is compulsive. And i've found that plays that were hard to stay with are counter intuitively hard not to stay with as they are so well acted When the widow asked her lifelong friend about loneliness sums this up perhaps. Friends reply was adorable poignant & so very realistic as a scene. I felt like crying for a PFT character knowing full well its NOT 1983 nor was the depiction fact. I suppose somethings either got suspension of disbelief or hasn't, and these plays were exactly how life was lived back then.
Very Moving
The selfish prattle of her daughter is a shock but realistic.
...and she didn't say 'thankyou'
The daughter really grated on my nerves
The millennials wouldn’t like it. It’s not in HD. 😂😂. No swearing. No s3x. Just gentle every day lives
Only the fool in his heart says there is no God. The daughter didn’t look old enough to have a child and certainly not mature enough.
Virtually all his friends owned red cars… 1:04:09 🙂
Virtually all mine do as well.
Poor lady.
Oh dear how very depressing.
Depressing .
And a young Pauline quirk.
Dorothy Tutin (1930-2001)
Bloody hectic! That was depressing. I kept waiting for something to happen. Like, she really didn't care, and got off to Mexico with the doctor. Or her friend may have confessed to having an affair with her husband or he came back to speak with her. But no, her husband died, she didn't cry, the children didn't seem to care, she bought a dress from a posh woman and owed Pauline Quirk £7.
Ah well... back to Netflix
Exactly what is wrong today, reality is so dull,.... but this was in fact an excellent play about someone whose longterm partner died suddenly, today is all saints day tomorrow all souls, it is hard when someone dies and you have no mourning ritual
Mon Mothma! ❤
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Anyone catch a very young Pauline Quirke as the cashier ?
Pauline Quirke!
Dont take pills
Pauline Quirk on the till
I hated the 1970s. And judging from the self-indulgent, relentless negativity of the drama, it was fully justified.
glad I'm not the only one! was just thinking: wasn't anyone happy back then? are they now, come to that.... 2023 seems like a replay of '73.....
I think you'll find this was the 80's - not the 70's! Pedantic small point perhaps?
@@davidjones6778 Ah! I started watching some of these from the earlier series. But I give up. Another decade of this unaleaviated woe would necessitate psychotherapy!
@@rosemaryallen2128 I was a teenager in the 70's and loved it. So I'm biased (as well as being an old f*rt now!).
@@davidjones6778 Hope your youth was properly riotous! I didn't even get thoroughly drunk until my 40s. Dreadful! So was being that ill...
Awful music
Well that was rather miserable and not particularly thought provoking
Hitchens provoked so much thought the C of E was able to be infiltrated and asset stripped by european aristocrats. Who now have oil executives installed so that the church cannot defend public wealth. Which is why national trust land such as Dartmoor & the lake district is being sold off at peppercorn rates to same types of elite. In fact they intend to treat these islands as their islands and buy it all up. Which is why the '15 Minute City' have been devised - its a Toll. Smart Motorways - Tolls. Will there be a park or pavement the aristocrats and globalists haven't obtained privately is the question.
But First ? - they needed useful idiots in new atheism to help destroy the C of E.
I got bored with the mother playing the long suffering martyr while her hubby until he dropped down dead was a philanderer putting it about all over the place.
Play for today ,,entertainment NoT ...LOL
I held out for half an hour then gave up. Drawn out, poorly acted in my opinion and irritatingly sentimental
Awful!