So many things went wrong in the Hare Krishna Movement - still the core teachings, philosophy and culture is great. We live in the HQ of ISKCON (Mayapur West Bengal) since almost 10 years...
I quit college at USCD in 1972 when I was 18, to join the Hare Krishna movement. Best decision ever for me personally. I appreciate Joe and David's balanced views and observations. I thought the exact same thing about Kirtananda as Joe expressed - the guy never looked right to me. Kirtananada was the son of a Baptist minister and had spent time in some type of mental hospital, before joining the Krishnas. It was somewhat known that he was gay before he joined, but since he had taken vows of celibacy, it was assumed that he had given up any sexual activities, based on spiritual strength - If that was the case, his abstinence didn't last for more than a few years. At that time in the '70s, there were no types of background checks, and anyone could join who was willing the follow the devotional principles (vegetarian diet, no sex outside of marriage, no intoxication, no gambling) and the rigorous schedule of early rising for the first meditation (4:30am) and two hours of chanting daily. It was all voluntary, and anyone was welcome to give it a shot. I personally followed the disciplines for 3 years in a temple, and it was great. It gave me a confidence and realization that God is real and lovingly present, within and without. It also gifted me with a fearlessness in living life - which worked out well, as I've gone through some crazy stuff over the years - but that's life in the material world for everyone, to various degrees. I still practice chanting happily at home. Not all kids were molested. and not all by leaders. Some were molested by the older boys at the boarding schools; something which happens unfortunately at many institutions / boarding schools. There was a fringe element that committed the crimes as discussed; that was a deviation by a few. For the most part, much good has manifested by those and for those who did not deviate from the principles as laid out by Prabhupada, the founder. The movement continues to grow, especially in India, and also in Russia - a place where people have rejected godless communism for the most part. Some Russians have embraced yogic principles and practice and travel to India regularly. The present PM of India, Modi, highly praises Prabhupada as one of India's most glorious spiritual luminaries and teachers of the Vedic tradition ever, having established 108 temples worldwide in 12 years, after having started in NY alone and almost penniless, in 1965. Even more impressive if not miraculous, during that same 12 year period, he translated and published over 70 volumes of Vedic literature, starting from his time of arrival in Americal at age 69, until his passing at 81.
@@ogaraconor The Catholic church certainly has not been exempt from it's share of corruption and scandals over many centuries. There were Popes in around the 10th century who had their critics put to death by being boiled in oil. There also may very well be pockets of the church leaders past and present, involved in ritual satanic child abuse, or/and individual garden variety pedophiles who were individually perverted and just moved from parish to parish without serious consequence. Hopefully, that happens less now. That being said, I'm sure there could be very sincere and genuine priests and and congregation members in the church who have dedicated themselves to God, within that tradition. God / Holy Spirit lives within each heart as witness, guide and friend, and knows who is who. Sincere people are always protected and guided by God. Phony people will be attracted to other charlatans to mingle with in the name of religion, but will have their actual motives and mentalities exposed over time. God is loving and gracious, as is real religion. Hate, perversion, greed, and power mongering don't represent God in any way.
@@ogaraconor I"m sure there are good and sincere individual Catholics, and good and sincere individual Catholic clergy as well. At the same time, there has been documented abuse of power in horrific ways within the church organization, for centuries.
Yup, absolutely correct. The 11 diciples of Prabhupad high jacked Prabhupad's Iskcon movement and also a few poisoned Prabhupad also. They wanted total Power and Control. Investigate "Radhanath Swami" Richard slavin. Most popular Iskcon "guru" involved in marriage ceremonies for young girls to older men in the 1980's at New Vrindavan west Virginia temple. Responsible for the murder instruction to have Sulocana Prabhu shot in the head and killed. Radhanath swami also has been claimed to have spread the teachings of Black Tantra (black magic) to other iskcon "gurus" Investigate him, Bhakti Tirtha Swami was found to be practicing black tantra as well at New Vrindavan, he was close to Radhanath. These fake Gurus in Iskcon are Demons and Abuse children and Women and Murder men who try to stop them.. Don't get involved in Iskcon, it's a mafia organization. Just follow Srila Prabhupad's original books and his old recordings from classed online, and videos. ..Help Expose The Fake Gurus..
This is True! I've been through Christianity, the JWs, buddhism, islam sadly bit then suffism, aspects of Judaism, zoarastrianism was.. basic. And then the Vedas and it blew my mind. Experientially I found tangible truths in Vaisnavism but was sorely disappointed with the behaviour of some devotees. This is one crazy fake guru they're talking about and there were many others Cultish behaviour in how so many devotees turned Iskon into a cult based on status, influence and money/ power. The philosophy is beautiful but I saw too many of these fake gurus doing alot of illegal things AND giving interpretations of verses that they weren't qualified to and that served just them and their Agendas. Prabhupadha was the last official guru in the disciplic succession and that's how it should have always been. When I raised this, I was ignored and then ppl started actively avoiding me. I wasnt hurt but surprised how ppl could not see what I did Or see and choose to pretend It's a shame really? I think I'm a good judge of character so cannot fathom how so many continued actively in the movement. It's sad how guys join to meet 'hot girls' etc. it's just nothing to do with what the movement is all àbout. Love not lust.
I was a Krishna for almost 5 years. Saw some things behind the scenes that didn't sit well with me in Colombia. Left the movement. Grateful for what spiritual teachings I received from my guru and the experiences.
@@kyraarena at least know you have the knowledge of Krsna and prahupad, people may leave isckon but Krsna never forgets about them, at least you will still follow the 4 dharmic principles Hari Bol
Thank You for the point of view. Would You say the ancient Assyrian empire, the empire of the ancient Huns, the ancient empire of Xerxes of Persia all of that was free of wrongdoing? What about the burning of widows in India? Do You see Asia as superior to the west? In which way in particular? Please also acknowledge the humanity of people in the west. Corruption and wrongdoing is not a mere western phenomenon. Just be careful please, I think a way of becoming the evil we wish to abolish is to generalise and to judge inconsideratley. We need to do something about the current problems in the west. Probably You didn't mean that the 'west' is bad in the sense that the human beings here are all inferior, but please do point out what You really wanted to say. I pray for You and wish You all the best. May we have no more destructive imperialism. May we live in a world of true peace and understanding. What do You think about the suggestion: To see who's in power, become aware of whom You are not allowed to criticize? And what about the Chinese society before the Cultural Revolution as well after that? Have You ever studied the History of China? Was it truly better? If so, in which sense? How do You set Your moral standards? Have a good day, James
succession of spiritual masters is the highest order of pure devotees passing the Supreme knowledge from the beginning of universe. And you think that suddenly after Prabhupada materially passed, these 11 appointed disciples to act like priests, become the successors of parampara? Obviously, they misinterpreted the instruction! They are arguing, that we need physical person (them) to approach the Spiritual Master, but that goes against the whole principle of knowledge about the eternal soul. It shows that you learnt nothing from Srila Prabhupada. Not even that he didn't die in 1977, but just left our insignificant sight. Now we have 2 or even 3 generations of socalled gurus, that continue from those 11 apointed ritviks. What have they done in comparison to the one showcase of pure devotee of The Lord, Srila Prabhupada? They have molested and raped children, exploited the accumulated riches of ISKCON society, altered the holy books that Srila Prabhupada endeavored so much to translate and give purports to, the books meant to save the whole material world! And they kill anyone opposing their total destruction of Prabhupada's work. That is what is called DEMON. And you worship them as good as God. SHAME ON YOU!
Prabhupada never appointed these 11 guys. They appointed themselves... I grew up in this movement and I never got abused. I was one of the many few who got lucky... So sad these people made such a mess and created so much pain for children and so much bad "PR" for such a beautiful and deep philosophy...
Do they have some crazy paramilitary security wing patrolling those thousand acres of mountains with AR-15s and shit? David Koresh types? I've been many times and I know how it is way out in the mountains, in the middle of nowhere. It's essentially lawless and you have to take care of your own problems. Why are they doing business with Haliburton? Weird thing for people abandoning materialism to do. I think there is some kind of CIA MKULTRA shit going on there. Thoughts? Did you ever witness overt violence? Government spooks?
I lived with people who lived there and they were initiated by kirtananda. I married and lived in the Hare Krishnas and decided to let my daughter choose to want to learn about Hare Krishnas. I protected her from everyone. Never trusted any gurus or anyone not even her own dad. In my experience the director is correct. Hare Krishna philosophy is pure but there are real scum who have taken advantage of being in this religion/cult. There are some amazing pure beautiful souls in the Hare Krishnas and you easily see who they are. They’re not the big wigs. They’re the little people. It’s always the little people who are pure and saintly. Avoid personality cults and personality gurus. But underneath this crap the philosophy is amazing and the humble pure devotees are also amazing
Ok, does it have a population of book distributors? Or a group presenting krsna Lila's sexual pastimes with little kids? Because there's something really off now in that way after so much molesting etc.... that does make a good mix, pedophiles and worshiping little kids sexual pastimes, would you agree?
Friends of mine from Australia stayed there when they were touring the country in a van. They were treated very well and it was the highlight of their tour.
The same thing happened to the Hare Krishna movement that happened to the followers of Jesus Christ movement (called Christianity). No different. When the true master is alive, he/she draws the purest souls who are eager to spread the teachings and live a pure life. You could just have easily explored the Catholic Church, the Protestant churches, the Mormon church, any any OTHER spiritual movement and your title would have been "Money, Power and Death: the Dark Side of the Catholic Church/the Prosperty Church Leaders/The Mormon Church" and on and on and on and on. The CORE teachings of ISCKON are still intact. Any time you have a movement of ANY kind and the leader passes away, there are ALWAYS the power seekers WITHIN the organization who DILUTE and, thus, gradually POLLUTE the movement. I am an American who joined a Hindu-based yoga group which was founded by an Indian who came to America (ashram) and became one of the most well-known yoga masters in the world. We started out small with mostly college-educated "hippie-types" TOTALLY committed to "finding God. We chanted Sanskrit chants throughout the day no matter what we were doing. In the beginning, the guru was with us daily teaching and inspiring us to live pure lives. We lived the monastic lifestyle, and the community was structured like the yoga ashrams in ancient India were structured. We all were initiated and took Hindu names just like the Hare Krishnas did. The community grew and grew and had small satellite groups all over the U.S. and Canada. It was really clear from the jump that there were those who formed the inner circle and wielded more "power" because of their close proximity to the guru. They became the main program leaders. The leader is still alive, but the organization evolved into a yoga and HEALTH center, because a lot of people with money wanted all the health benefits of the yogic lifestyle but didn't dig the deeper spiritual aspect of our community. NOTHING founded by a truly pure soul STAYS absolutely pure, because DILUTION (that is, the intrusion of those with big egos, impurity of mind and intention, greed, etc.) eventually brings POLLUTION. Just after Master Prabupad passed away, I went to one of their centers to attend kieran (joyous devotional chanting ) with the center in my hometown. They had a life-sized statue of their master sitting on a throne as a tribute to his presence in spirit. But the center leader sat front and center and -- to ME -- was obviously enjoying being treated as if HE was Prabhupad incarnate. He was too WESTERN (Translate that into "corporate-type" white male with shaved head, naked upper body whose body language would have fit in perfectly in a New York corporate board room where HE was CEO AND COO). Our center has our guru's guru come from India to be with us for over 4 years. He looked a lot like Prabhupad and the whole adoration scenario was present in our ashram also. We sang the Hare Krishna chant too, but we had OTHER Hindu chants as part of our repertoire. He went back to India and passed away several months after leaving us. The gradual spiral downward into WORLDLINESS instead of OTHER-worldliness began, and I haven't been back in over 25 years. The magic is gone. But I got what I needed to get from the experience and my personal life is enriched because of what I had experienced. The only reason I am writing this is to make the point that what happened to the Hare Krishnas happens again and again and again and again. Christianity today bears almost NO resemblance to what the original followers of Jesus experienced when he was alive and in their midst. That's LIFE.
This guy that he is interviewing doesn’t know much at all. He might be a Director of the movie but I can guarantee you since I have been with the movement for over 50 years and I was in management for a while plus I lived in New Vrindavan West Virginia. I can give a much better more clear picture. A lot of what he said is true, but he got a few things wrong which are important. For example, he said, the spiritual master of the movement Srila Prabhupada Appointed 11 gurus, but that absolutely was not true. He only Appointed 11 men to continue each with their own territory to become ritviks Which means priest. They’re only job was to make sure things run smoothly according to the way it had been done in the past. To basically oversee, but they were not supposed to be micromanaging. They were not supposed to be taking worship and sitting on high chairs. They were not supposed to be Raking in a bunch of money from their followers. They were not supposed to take any disciples for themselves. Everything was to be done on behalf of Srila Prabhupada And his movement. All 11 of them got into cahoots with each other a very short time after Srila Prabhupada left this world. And they hatched a plan. A very devious plan convincing others in the whole movement because of their charisma and authority… That they were left to be spiritual, masters, or gurus and take their own disciples. From that day forward a tremendous amount of deviations took place, and so many other horrific things. I work directly under Kirtanananda in the 80’s. I could not put the pieces together back then, but I saw things and was perplexed. I had already become a disciple Srila Prabhupada in 1975 and was never a follower of these 11 and never agreed to what they were doing. I tried to stay there as long as I could to get to the bottom of things and help figure out what’s up and try to correct it somehow. I was not on Internet back then, so it was very difficult to figure out things as far as what was going on. Finally, I had to leave and over the next five years or so I started realizing what had gone on. I have learned a heck of a lot over the last 40 years since I removed myself from living monastery type life, and I have continued fervently with the Krishna consciousness practice personally. I have been shocked and learned many truths, and I am very clear minded about all of it. So many of us have worked very hard on a daily basis to expose, what has actually happened. We try to keep the pure essence of the teachings and the Vedic literature without deviation and help those who are innocent income for that reason. At the same time yes, we try to expose as much as possible for anybody who is willing to listen. It’s the same kind of thing going on in the world today . All over the world people have been living a lie and have been controlled by the Cabal… Corrupt governments everywhere all working together under eight dark web of criminal elite. There was actually a conspiracy in our movement and they had poisoned Srila Prabhupada. Since then, they had taken many followers, and collected a lot of money, and started their own nonprofits, and things happened that most of members did not even know about (And still don’t ) as they blindly worshiped them. And to this day it continues. Our very wonderful movement was infiltrated by a very bad element, and it is the belief of quite a few of us that one or two of them infiltrated from the CIA with the purposefull intention of destroying the movement from within. They were all convinced in one way or another to band together and be those 11 so they could profit with their positions. There are a lot of stories of abuse, and they changed the books which are ancient old literature. You can find this kind of thing happening in Christianity as well. The Bible was changed, and many of the books were hidden. The evil demoniac elite people have a goal to destroy peoples sovereignty and destroy religion and brainwash our young children all over the world through the educational system that they devise. And it goes on and on and on. I still follow Krishna consciousness independently, just like many of us who try to Reform the movement from within… That did not work. We were either kicked out or the situation became so bad we would have to leave and could not do a thing from the inside anymore. There are tons of us that really do have a story to tell. I’m afraid this person being interviewed doesn’t have a clue really who Srila Prabhupada was and what really happened. Although he did seem to know halfway some truths. I would suggest Joe Rogan to actually interview through research somebody that’s viable and can really tell the true story. I can help connect him with somebody who would be a true good source if he wants to do future interviews about this. There has been a whole committee of us and the main ones on that committee have worked hard and spent tens of thousands of dollars working with forensics. Voice forensics, and forensics regarding toxicity and poisons using hair samples, etc. We have two very well written hardback books with all the documented proof evidence chronologically what happened regarding everything. For anyone that’s really interested in the truth I would suggest give me a message and I can guide Joe Rogan further, who to talk to if he really is serious to do a show with better correct information. I also know about the Peacock film and I am friends with many of the people who have been either traumatized or kicked out or threatened, etc..
Do you know about Krishnanand Swami Maharaj, what happened to him? Why was he thrown out in 1980? What conspiracy was hatched against him and who were those 11 people, can you tell their names here. If you have any information about this, please reply.
every single evil thing about this cult is directly Prabhfrauds responsibility and he is the cause. the fish rots from the head and Prabhufraud was a rotten fish
While still in the ARMY I drove to New Vrindavan in 1973 and was very surprised to see Keith Hamm (Kirtanananda Swami) dressed in traditional monk clothes sporting a holster with a revolver . This was long before the Golden Palace even began construction.
My personal experience is that the Hare Krishna movement is anything but an Non profit Org. They are using the life and teachings of Lord Krishna mostly to live an idyllic life while enjoying most of all of the comforts it brings.
As a landman. I acquire oil and gas leases off of landowners so the company can drill. New Vrindaban, West Virginia (Main Krishna Community in the US, 1000’s of acres) is in big time Natural Gas country. I leased the whole community in 2010 and made good commission from it. I met practically all of the high ups in the community and I can tell you all of them are good people and hate what happened in the community back in the 80’s. They are all super peaceful.
@@jjg1501 Weird how people like you would rather live in their own preconceptions, rather than consider an alternate viewpoint from someone who has a first hand experience. Actually, it's not just weird - it's insulting to your fellow man, and sign of not only being arrogant, but cripple-minded. I heard cnn has openings. Maybe you should take your talents there.
I was a member for 20 years. It is not what it seems. It is a full on cult. Authoritarian control, abuse, the whole bit. Despite the folded hands and smiling faces.
Three of Joe’s past guests are Hare Krishnas. John Joseph and Ray “Raghunath” Cappo both lived in the Brooklyn temple as monks at different times. Ray’s still heavily involved in ISKCON and Joseph is still a devotee. Tulsi Gabbard is also a devotee; she took her oath of office on the Bhagavad Gita in 2013.
Correction, Krishna is the source of Lord Vishnu. Vishnu is a Purusha expansion of Krishna. Krishna is the Original form and source of all incarnations. The Supreme Personality Of Godhead
Locals referred to the guy as Swami Bhaktapad. There were always stories going around that there were bad things going on at the palace of gold. He was on house arrest in an apartment next to my school. My friend lived in one of those two apartments, I’m just not sure if he was there when the swami was. He was allowed out something like an hour a week to go get groceries. Saw him walking across the park to the store a couple times. Had friends that would go out there in the 90’s and I think some that still do. Quite a few for the festival of color. Girl I went to college with said her dad had been one of his bodyguards. Never verified it, but never had any reason to not believe her.
Using astronomical clues found in Mahabharat (which Bhagavat Gita is part of), astronomes has dated Bhagavat Gita to be about 7600 years old. That means 5600 BC.
Powerful ideas always attract the best and the worst of people. The issue is that leaders need strong egos but it’s what purpose they channel their ego for that determines whether it’s a cult or a religion.
Important conversations thanks. Definitely this Darkened stuff has gone on, and to some extent does go on in the Krishna movement, which is a fact. It is also a fact, that stuff goes on like this , ( wherever ) you get large groups of people , over a long period of time. My personal experience is, I humbly feel , I have gained more clarity, and development in Krishnas consciousness, than , all other paths I have tried . Sincerity on the path, and facing ugly facts ( ie, the toxic aspects within the Krishna movement ) , head on, and in a balanced way , I have found to be very helpful all round 🙏 Chris, from Brighton, UK
I have never seen so many weird people in one city like I have in Vancouver Canada. I don't know if all the weirdest and strangest people in the entire country of Canada migrate there or what but it is wild.
I spent 4 yrs in Hare Krsna.....It gave me a lot as I engaged in meditation, Vedas reading BUT when it became destructive on my self confidence especially as a woman I started to quit....It was 2 yr proces to go out of all these dos and donts....In HK woman was pressed there to be HUMBLE NOT QUESTIONING ANYTHING ESPECIALLY GURUS.....
@@marksw575me too. I met so many amazing ppl at the temple. And as someone said, it was the ones who shyd away from showing their fake devotion who were the gems. I built so many deep connections there and find that it's not easy to meet ppl with beautiful hearts anymore
Sorry to hear you ,,, every where good and bad is there even in our family also husband childrens also not comparable even though we are adjusting and going ahead, I think u read Bhagavad Gita This nature is built by duality according to nature different people are there. One more thing Krishna will test us in different ways whether in those situations also we holding Lotus feet of krishna or conquered by Maya ? Any system whether ISKON or Christ or anyother thing good and bad is there but our goal to focus on Krishna and qualify in his tests and reach to his aboard.... U can see the example of meerabai, Santh thukaram, Ramanuja charaya also hated by his guru Yamuna charaya but he didn't gave up .. ISKON WILL GIVE BEST PEACE AND CONFIDENCE AND INNER STRENGTH DONT LOOK PEOPLE BEHAVIOUR THERE JUST LOOK KRISHNA'S MERCY HARIBOLL
I grew up in rural FL. In the 90s one of the ranch properties we bought had weird ruins on it, that were apparently built and destroyed/never finished by Hare Krishna people. This was in the middle of nowhere, in the woods. It was a strange dome structure. Grew up wondering what it was when my dad told me recently it was them.
This place is in like south Florida? The devotees bought it not realizing that it was on a flood plane not very good for agriculture. They sold it and moved on. The dome was made because it’s made of insular polysteel. Very durable.
What's not being mentioned here is that the Hare Krishna's were a strong movement in India before it coming to the west and of course it goes back thousands of years. There are numerous groups or temples that don't belong to the organization ISKCON which people refer to when speaking of the Hare Krishna's that's something that's missed when they talk about organizational issues. It's like when a group of churches that may be Methodist or Baptist or whatever else do horrible things and all Christian churches and communities get associated with that. I'm also not saying ISKCON as an organization is bad or good I'm just pointing out that it's one group of many that come from the same line
They dont need to go deeply into the traditions as their movie is about the New Vrindvan Chapter . I hope they put early history in like the Hells Angels attack on New Vrindavan and the devotees being held at gunpoint . Thats an amazing hillbilly story
@@blindi6326 Yes it most certainly does. ISKCON is an organization that was set up by Srila Prabhupada but the teachings and the line of Gurus goes back thousands of years this is a fact. Stop spreading misinformation
@@blindi6326 sanatana dharam goes back to the beging of time . Gaudiya vaisnavism which this Hare Krishna movementis part off goes back to Bengal 500 years ago with advent of Golden Avatar mentioned in vedic texts as golden for this age of Kali yuga
I have joined ISKCON in 2018.. And if you ever want to experience magic. This is the place to be. I have received so many amazing things since joining. and literally every succes I've had in my life (financially, romantic, socially) has come from the scriptures that they preach. This movement saved my life and the best way to describe it is MAGIC. the relevancy that the Vedic scriptures have in today's age is uncanny.. Muhammed and Jezus are also mentioned in these 5000+ year old scriptures. And they are recognized as super souls who come directly from God (Krishna) himself.
Lovely, being born and brought up in ISKCON from 3 generations now ,please expect anything and everything with an open heart. Lord works in mysterious ways .
Hmm 🤔 doesn't the Gita say he takes from you to Test you or something? Pretty sadistic I must say. When I used to visit a temple I felt peace no doubt but to say you get these materialistic benefits is pretty exclusive isn't it? Pray to me if you can find me and you're good, if not then hey look another religion saying exactly the same. 🎉
The devotees who won over the hearts of the Beatles, did so by baking delicious, and love filled apple pies, which were daily delivered to Apple Studios. One day the pies stopped coming, for some reason, and the Beatles came looking for the devotees, one of whom was Yamuna Devi dasi
Everyone who had any knowledge of ISKCON knows that the West Virginia temple was not sanctioned by ISKCON. Yes the one who called himself kirtananda was off doing his own thing and this is why he and the temple he built was not part of ISKCON.
I came to know about iskcon in bangalore around 2015. I went there every week for 1 and half months. Then, one day, I bought around 8-10 books from there and read them all within 2 days as they were short books. But when i read prabhupada's thoughts about scientists, I was shocked. He called them stupid and ignorant, all of them. So i realised it's just another cult with different flavours. If you want to check, then please read the books available at the temples for sale.
Thanks for sharing your experience with those books. science is so amazing and should not be abandoned just because of brahminism and religious beliefs.
@@MoneyMitrovic333Science has achieved its goal of making human life more comfortable like in medicine, food production, transportation. Scientists now are just repeating themselves in different ways because they need to make money
Sometimes genuine spiritual practitioners are labeled as cults. We need to leave room for positive communities without casting wholesale suspicion which amounts to a form of discrimination.
The temple in Moundsville WV is pretty but we all grew up hearing crazy stories about what was going on up there. Then we found out it was worse than we thought. But a new group now owns the land and they seem really nice compared to the 80's group in that temple
They actually show up regularly to the Boston Hemp fest (420 thing), I actually have a business card from one of them and it lit just says like “Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna” like 12 times on the front lol
I grew up less than 5 miles from New Vrindaban. I wouldn’t call it cold or remote. It is about twenty minutes outside of a metro area of 140k and it is rare it gets below freezing outside the dead of winter. The local folklore is the remaining people that were missing were dumped in a local lake, Birches Run. This lake was actually drained roughly 20 years ago.
Yeah, same thing I was thinking. 😂 that’s “remote”? I grew up in between Huntington and Charleston. Definitely remember that place being promoted as a tourist attraction.
I remember a documentary about this back in the 80's. I think it was on 60 minutes. The title of the guy was boc-to pod. It was eventually ex-communicated from the actual movement.
The ONLY spiritual teachings I “trust” anymore are those that don’t require belief, but rather direct the seeker to ask, “who am I who believes this or that? Who is this ‘I’ who is seeing, believing, thinking, feeling?” In other words, to “know thyself.” Somehow I think that is more suitable in a world that is full of narcissism and codependency, which is the dual dynamic of cults.
Actually, true Krishna Consciousness is a scientific method to become free from all misconceptions of life. One needs to be thoroughly objective to understand its purports. Naturally, many people are not philosophical nor very intelligent and are easily misguided by sentimental notions and misconceptions.
@@samartman3395 For sure! Ramana Maharshi was exactly who I was thinking about when I wrote my comment -- pure teacher, no agenda, clear and simple without fanciful concepts
Actually Don't Read the Orange Cover Bhagavad Gita as it is, 500 edits in that book. Totally changed Read 1972 MacMillan Bhagavad-Gita, this is Srila Prabhupad's original Gita Without All The Changes!
I've been to the Golden Palace (New Vridivan) in WV for several parties... U can see the lil shacks where children were kept in the woods around the temple...it's a mad feeling...the book "Monkey on a Stick" is about the center & a lot of the criminal psychotic shit that happened back then...
@@modern.monkE99 super dope...there was a stag that laid down next to me inside the temple just after sunrise... Maata Mandara used to be a yearly gig with our dmt crew & the Philly cats...idk if it's still a thing...that was a long time ago
To Westerners: If you really want to enjoy or read deep philiosophy THE BEST India has to offer read Vedanta. Very high level but the best thing India/Hinduism (culture not religion) has given to humanity.
Good discussion, yes there is evil everywhere, especially hiding in the guise of goodness, however, it's very easy to throw the baby out with the bath water; The teachings of Srila Prabhupada and ancient Vedic India are universal and is up to the individual to see the essence... ofcourse crazy people are going ruin the purity, however faith in Krishna or Buddha, Jesus ext. is not reliant on any institution. which are inevitably corrupt... Hare Krishna Hallelujah
The movement that Prabupada started was beautiful and wonderful and it is a shame what Keith Ham did to tarnish the reputation however this happens in all walks of life. From Catholics to schools to police to sports teams to Boy Scouts to USA Gynastics . We have sick humans in all places we encounter but that doesn’t mean all those places are inherently bad. The core teaching of love for God and love for others is true bliss
@@taylorlibby7642sounds shallow, hollow, and ultimately depressing. Ask literally anyone that’s done that lol it gets old knowing your partner is only with you for money, doesn’t matter if they’re extremely attractive.
I know the history of ISKCON. I was a big part of it back then. ISKCON has NOT addressed the child molestation issues in their movement. They are still ignoring big parts of it and no perpetrators have been punished.
The dark chapter still goes on; it's not in the open now. Prabhupada died and the criminals took over. Prabhupada is perfect; most of his students were not.
I haven't watched the show yet but I will even though it will obviously be sensationalised etc. I studied the Hare Krishna stuff for two years with the plan to join them full time and give myself over to them when I felt I was ready but it never happened because the deeper into them I got the more horrible things I would find out. For instance Prabu never passed away but was unalived by those closest to him and he never appointed them as gurus, they did that for themselves after they had poisoned him. At that stage he had said many times (there are audio recordings to prove all of this stuff including the poisoning) that he wanted to disband the Krishnas because he did not like the direction they had gone in etc and by then all of the children were being harmed, they were bringing homeless drinkers and drug addicts into it just to make up the numbers and they were walking around carrying machine guns etc. The message and Krishna conciousness is a great thing and I don't think even now that the Krishnas themselves were a cult but ISKCON did in the end become one when it all fell apart and it was all done by the same bunch of evil maniacs who do most of the bad stuff that happens here like wars etc and so my message would be follow the scriptures and messages if you wish and you will benefit from it but always remember that god is within and a part of you and you do not need a human to give you his message etc.
I am a hindu but tell me guys wat difference is there in the hare krishna movement and catholicism ? Like i dont see a difference in the way they approach spirituality. Instead of meditating on mary and jesus u meditate on krishna thats it right? Maybe the stress on salavation has only one way is not there but i dont think christ even cares abt that nor is the figure of christ that cheap to care abt ur belief in his literal death and resurrection , its all church's dogma. Leave that one part and focus on his main teachings and one will have a grt life with meaning.
Facts it's just Catholic stuff with our beloved Sri Krishna ISKON has ruined Hinduism and ruined the greatest book Srimad Bhagwat Geeta that book is filled with misinterpretation.
First of all we can't judge or screen these human faced monsters while they are approaching to a particular religious group and secondly u must realize that Christ and Mary are the MESSENGERS of the God but KRISHNA IS THE GOD and in hindu culture we medidate to forms of the GOD for ex: tridev not the preachers, we memorize the contributions of those divine beings(preachers) or them to be straight forward and the monster that has been discussed in the podcast is not anything new in the history of religious bodies it's like say if we have basket full of apples then there will some rotten regardless of which farmer grown them from whichever farm ok? So on this basis do you think making this social issue as religious is needed?
same... its old veda knowledge about god / krishna - to know krishna is the best thing in my life - deep healing to reconnect with my true self and god...
The teachings are not 'ISKCON'. They are available to anyone and are the teachings of Krishna and Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. They are non-sectarian and belong to all, not just to those in one (watered down) institution.
ROMANS 10:9-10 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
A humble suggestion for people who want to accept Hinduism, do not follow ISKON, HARE KRISHNA movement.. go beyond it. Dont be a cult follower.. read history of hinduism and scriptures only published by Gitapress, Gorakhpur. They publish unbiased hindu scriptures, iskon manipulated Bhagwad Gita to their own benefits.
None of the Hindus conquered the world because they are polytheists, they do not have a concept of who is god and who is just an angel, although the sastras are written directly about this. This is a problem only for Western temples. I have never encountered such scandals in the CIS. Because of this, it is accused of sectarianism when every second movement of the Indies is worse than those atrocities committed by inhumans.
Doesn't have to be a monastic, but an academically inclined or at least educated orthodox Christian would be cool. Jonathan Pageau on Rogan would be amazing.
So I got my first apartment at 16 I was working about 16 hours a and I've been a vegetarian since I was 12 since the Smiths broke up I used to go like three times a week to the hare Krishna place in Boston for the free vegetarian meals and they never bothered me they never t haunted me the scientologists on the other hand
@@dinom3106 I used to see hk people around all the time but not so much anymore. I had time to kill one time and I took a Scientology personality test. I got mail from them for years. I changed addresses a bunch of times, I was in federal prison but no matter where I went id get stuff from the Scientologists. Nothing against them though.
had a coworker who was a Mennonite growing up and escaped it, lost track of her, apparently she moved states, she nonchalantly said how inter course before 18 with their leader was absolutely “needed” she talked about it as if it was okay, damn
Prabhupad was an enlightened atman, with zero ego, completely in tune with universal consciousness - SAT CHIT ANANDA, you guys won't get it, first raise your consciousness
Hinduism also have many thoughts of school like (1) bhakti = in which you choose your medium and pray to it like water, fire, Idol worshipping, etc and pray to it to reach ultimate truth. (2)Nirisvaravada = Hindu atheism ("Argument against the existence of god"). In this people believe in good deed and follow the logic but don't believe in existence of any god. there are many thousands of year old books written about it in Hinduism (3) buddhtv = in this people work on themselves by meditating to gain enlightment in search of ultimate truth of life, and following path of non violence against any leaving creature, in this people particularly don't believe or believe in God (4) tantrik = in this people perform various type of rituals for various kind of things (5) digambari = in this thay leave every worldly Desire even clothes and eat raw vegetables, harming any leaving creature as minimum as possible to reach Mukti (6) Aghori = in this there is not much information because of their Limited contact to outside world but they pray to God of destruction Shiva and leave on destruction they do whatever they want and play with human Ashes , eat non veg, eat human flesh during cremation, thay perform black magic , and many more. etc (7) Guru = following any role model that show you the ultimate light like your mother, father, any scientist, etc. (8) Dharma = in this people follow their duty in society like doctor Dharma is to treat its patient as good as possible, Warrior Dharma is to protect the week and its country, son Dharma is to serve their old parents during their hard time etc. (Doing your work joyfully in society) 🚩These are some mainstream thought of school in Hinduism there are many many more 🚩 NOTE:- the ultimate goal is mukti in which people get free from eternal cycle of life and death. dissolving in the ultimate truth and becoming one with it and during this process they get every answer of every question that they ever have.
So many things went wrong in the Hare Krishna Movement - still the core teachings, philosophy and culture is great. We live in the HQ of ISKCON (Mayapur West Bengal) since almost 10 years...
I have heard some of the interviews on this I Love Mayapur channel and it's good to hear from different devotees.
And here's your one subscriber:p
Hare Krishna 🙌
Agreed
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He looks like Quentin Tarantino's hippy brother
He looks like a mix between Quentin and a porn star lol
😂
More like Henry Thomas' fraternal twin.
exactomundo... for sure what i noticed
David Harbour*
I quit college at USCD in 1972 when I was 18, to join the Hare Krishna movement. Best decision ever for me personally. I appreciate Joe and David's balanced views and observations. I thought the exact same thing about Kirtananda as Joe expressed - the guy never looked right to me. Kirtananada was the son of a Baptist minister and had spent time in some type of mental hospital, before joining the Krishnas. It was somewhat known that he was gay before he joined, but since he had taken vows of celibacy, it was assumed that he had given up any sexual activities, based on spiritual strength - If that was the case, his abstinence didn't last for more than a few years. At that time in the '70s, there were no types of background checks, and anyone could join who was willing the follow the devotional principles (vegetarian diet, no sex outside of marriage, no intoxication, no gambling) and the rigorous schedule of early rising for the first meditation (4:30am) and two hours of chanting daily. It was all voluntary, and anyone was welcome to give it a shot. I personally followed the disciplines for 3 years in a temple, and it was great. It gave me a confidence and realization that God is real and lovingly present, within and without. It also gifted me with a fearlessness in living life - which worked out well, as I've gone through some crazy stuff over the years - but that's life in the material world for everyone, to various degrees. I still practice chanting happily at home.
Not all kids were molested. and not all by leaders. Some were molested by the older boys at the boarding schools; something which happens unfortunately at many institutions / boarding schools. There was a fringe element that committed the crimes as discussed; that was a deviation by a few. For the most part, much good has manifested by those and for those who did not deviate from the principles as laid out by Prabhupada, the founder. The movement continues to grow, especially in India, and also in Russia - a place where people have rejected godless communism for the most part. Some Russians have embraced yogic principles and practice and travel to India regularly. The present PM of India, Modi, highly praises Prabhupada as one of India's most glorious spiritual luminaries and teachers of the Vedic tradition ever, having established 108 temples worldwide in 12 years, after having started in NY alone and almost penniless, in 1965. Even more impressive if not miraculous, during that same 12 year period, he translated and published over 70 volumes of Vedic literature, starting from his time of arrival in Americal at age 69, until his passing at 81.
Thank you for your service
Hare Krishna
What is your opinion or how do you see the Catholic church?
@@ogaraconor The Catholic church certainly has not been exempt from it's share of corruption and scandals over many centuries. There were Popes in around the 10th century who had their critics put to death by being boiled in oil. There also may very well be pockets of the church leaders past and present, involved in ritual satanic child abuse, or/and individual garden variety pedophiles who were individually perverted and just moved from parish to parish without serious consequence. Hopefully, that happens less now.
That being said, I'm sure there could be very sincere and genuine priests and and congregation members in the church who have dedicated themselves to God, within that tradition. God / Holy Spirit lives within each heart as witness, guide and friend, and knows who is who. Sincere people are always protected and guided by God. Phony people will be attracted to other charlatans to mingle with in the name of religion, but will have their actual motives and mentalities exposed over time. God is loving and gracious, as is real religion. Hate, perversion, greed, and power mongering don't represent God in any way.
@@ogaraconor I"m sure there are good and sincere individual Catholics, and good and sincere individual Catholic clergy as well. At the same time, there has been documented abuse of power in horrific ways within the church organization, for centuries.
Also, Srila Prabhupada never appointed 11 gurus. That was a lie propagated by those 11 fake successors.
Yup, absolutely correct.
The 11 diciples of Prabhupad high jacked Prabhupad's Iskcon movement and also a few poisoned Prabhupad also.
They wanted total Power and Control.
Investigate "Radhanath Swami" Richard slavin.
Most popular Iskcon "guru" involved in marriage ceremonies for young girls to older men in the 1980's at New Vrindavan west Virginia temple.
Responsible for the murder instruction to have Sulocana Prabhu shot in the head and killed.
Radhanath swami also has been claimed to have spread the teachings of Black Tantra (black magic) to other iskcon "gurus"
Investigate him, Bhakti Tirtha Swami was found to be practicing black tantra as well at New Vrindavan, he was close to Radhanath.
These fake Gurus in Iskcon are Demons and Abuse children and Women and Murder men who try to stop them..
Don't get involved in Iskcon, it's a mafia organization. Just follow Srila Prabhupad's original books and his old recordings from classed online, and videos.
..Help Expose The Fake Gurus..
When you call vaishnavas fake ...you have to start from letter A
This is True! I've been through Christianity, the JWs, buddhism, islam sadly bit then suffism, aspects of Judaism, zoarastrianism was.. basic. And then the Vedas and it blew my mind. Experientially I found tangible truths in Vaisnavism but was sorely disappointed with the behaviour of some devotees.
This is one crazy fake guru they're talking about and there were many others
Cultish behaviour in how so many devotees turned Iskon into a cult based on status, influence and money/ power.
The philosophy is beautiful but I saw too many of these fake gurus doing alot of illegal things AND giving interpretations of verses that they weren't qualified to and that served just them and their Agendas.
Prabhupadha was the last official guru in the disciplic succession and that's how it should have always been.
When I raised this, I was ignored and then ppl started actively avoiding me.
I wasnt hurt but surprised how ppl could not see what I did
Or see and choose to pretend
It's a shame really? I think I'm a good judge of character so cannot fathom how so many continued actively in the movement.
It's sad how guys join to meet 'hot girls' etc. it's just nothing to do with what the movement is all àbout.
Love not lust.
@@sandhyavaradarajan7296 start with the original liar who was doing snuff daily while telling his disciples not to eat chocolate.
@@ItsMikeSandovalsRUclipsChanneldoing snuff..What are you saying man?
I was a Krishna for almost 5 years. Saw some things behind the scenes that didn't sit well with me in Colombia. Left the movement. Grateful for what spiritual teachings I received from my guru and the experiences.
Why u left anything u want to tell which is not suitable for upcoming devotee
as long as you follow krsna and prahbupadas teachings your life will be great, dont forget the 4 dharmic principles we have to follow
Agreed. I too was with them 5 years .I feel the same.
@@kyraarena mam , what u didn't like so you chose to left
@@kyraarena at least know you have the knowledge of Krsna and prahupad, people may leave isckon but Krsna never forgets about them, at least you will still follow the 4 dharmic principles Hari Bol
Everything goes west will became dark
Thank You for the point of view. Would You say the ancient Assyrian empire, the empire of the ancient Huns, the ancient empire of Xerxes of Persia all of that was free of wrongdoing? What about the burning of widows in India? Do You see Asia as superior to the west? In which way in particular?
Please also acknowledge the humanity of people in the west. Corruption and wrongdoing is not a mere western phenomenon. Just be careful please, I think a way of becoming the evil we wish to abolish is to generalise and to judge inconsideratley. We need to do something about the current problems in the west. Probably You didn't mean that the 'west' is bad in the sense that the human beings here are all inferior, but please do point out what You really wanted to say. I pray for You and wish You all the best.
May we have no more destructive imperialism.
May we live in a world of true peace and understanding.
What do You think about the suggestion:
To see who's in power, become aware of whom You are not allowed to criticize?
And what about the Chinese society before the Cultural Revolution as well after that?
Have You ever studied the History of China? Was it truly better? If so, in which sense? How do You set Your moral standards?
Have a good day,
James
@@JamesAmMusic An important message and question, well said.
You're not only ignorant but also idiotic.
You're not only ignorant but also idiotic. Krishnas, hippies and addicted are people who never grew up.
Only ignorant, moronic and people who NEVER GREW UP idealize Eastern bullshit philosophies.
THEY WERE NOT APPOINTED GURUS. Just priests to initiate more people to Prabhupada... their ambitions took over the instruction.
not true !!!
@@madhumangaldas333 there is the document from July 9, 1977 made for the purpose of proving it.
Do you have a proof?
@@bilalentilka its called the parampara system, duh !
succession of spiritual masters is the highest order of pure devotees passing the Supreme knowledge from the beginning of universe. And you think that suddenly after Prabhupada materially passed, these 11 appointed disciples to act like priests, become the successors of parampara?
Obviously, they misinterpreted the instruction!
They are arguing, that we need physical person (them) to approach the Spiritual Master, but that goes against the whole principle of knowledge about the eternal soul.
It shows that you learnt nothing from Srila Prabhupada. Not even that he didn't die in 1977, but just left our insignificant sight.
Now we have 2 or even 3 generations of socalled gurus, that continue from those 11 apointed ritviks. What have they done in comparison to the one showcase of pure devotee of The Lord, Srila Prabhupada?
They have molested and raped children, exploited the accumulated riches of ISKCON society, altered the holy books that Srila Prabhupada endeavored so much to translate and give purports to, the books meant to save the whole material world! And they kill anyone opposing their total destruction of Prabhupada's work.
That is what is called DEMON.
And you worship them as good as God.
SHAME ON YOU!
@@bilalentilka I have a document from December 7, 1980 made for the purpose of proving you're a homosexual.
Steve jobs said once he eat 2 times free meals in hare Krishna temple
They served free food at UNC and it was pretty good food.
Yeah he did
Nice grammar.
@@grimnir6169 huh?
Yes they preach to the rich. The food did not stop him from dying.
Prabhupada never appointed these 11 guys. They appointed themselves...
I grew up in this movement and I never got abused. I was one of the many few who got lucky...
So sad these people made such a mess and created so much pain for children and so much bad "PR" for such a beautiful and deep philosophy...
I wish for the Hare Krishnas that they will keep recovering from their challenges
Do they have some crazy paramilitary security wing patrolling those thousand acres of mountains with AR-15s and shit? David Koresh types? I've been many times and I know how it is way out in the mountains, in the middle of nowhere. It's essentially lawless and you have to take care of your own problems. Why are they doing business with Haliburton? Weird thing for people abandoning materialism to do. I think there is some kind of CIA MKULTRA shit going on there. Thoughts? Did you ever witness overt violence? Government spooks?
The dark side of people not Hare Krishna 👌
I lived with people who lived there and they were initiated by kirtananda. I married and lived in the Hare Krishnas and decided to let my daughter choose to want to learn about Hare Krishnas. I protected her from everyone. Never trusted any gurus or anyone not even her own dad. In my experience the director is correct. Hare Krishna philosophy is pure but there are real scum who have taken advantage of being in this religion/cult. There are some amazing pure beautiful souls in the Hare Krishnas and you easily see who they are. They’re not the big wigs. They’re the little people. It’s always the little people who are pure and saintly. Avoid personality cults and personality gurus. But underneath this crap the philosophy is amazing and the humble pure devotees are also amazing
You are on point. Exactly how it is. The masters are trending the garden and sweeping. The politicians populate the upper positions.
Holy shit this comment is full of cognitive dissonance.
@@jameslcowan elaborate how
@@Pinicle_of_evolution Marrying into a group that you are acutely fearful of.
@@jameslcowanyou don't know what cognitive dissonance means
The Kare Krishna temple in West Virginia is beautiful.
Ok, does it have a population of book distributors? Or a group presenting krsna Lila's sexual pastimes with little kids? Because there's something really off now in that way after so much molesting etc.... that does make a good mix, pedophiles and worshiping little kids sexual pastimes, would you agree?
Wild stories about that place. I found a few small documentaries online. I need to take a walk through, been since I was a kid i was inside
@@jonathansmith8932 most of if not all you've heard is radical Christian propaganda
It's HARE NOT KARE.
Friends of mine from Australia stayed there when they were touring the country in a van. They were treated very well and it was the highlight of their tour.
Best movie scene with the krishnas is the airport scene in Airplane!
"Joey, ya ever been in a Turkish prison?"
@@jclaytoncabral5106 "Do you like gladiator movies?"
There's a yt channel that has clips from like every time Krishnan show up in movies or TV, from the 60s to present.
@@AliceBowie And the best is still the airport scene in Airplane!😁
Do you want to buy a pencil
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare. Hare Rama Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. 🙏
The same thing happened to the Hare Krishna movement that happened to the followers of Jesus Christ movement (called Christianity). No different. When the true master is alive, he/she draws the purest souls who are eager to spread the teachings and live a pure life.
You could just have easily explored the Catholic Church, the Protestant churches, the Mormon church, any any OTHER spiritual movement and your title would have been "Money, Power and Death: the Dark Side of the Catholic Church/the Prosperty Church Leaders/The Mormon Church" and on and on and on and on.
The CORE teachings of ISCKON are still intact. Any time you have a movement of ANY kind and the leader passes away, there are ALWAYS the power seekers WITHIN the organization who DILUTE and, thus, gradually POLLUTE the movement.
I am an American who joined a Hindu-based yoga group which was founded by an Indian who came to America (ashram) and became one of the most well-known yoga masters in the world.
We started out small with mostly college-educated "hippie-types" TOTALLY committed to "finding God. We chanted Sanskrit chants throughout the day no matter what we were doing. In the beginning, the guru was with us daily teaching and inspiring us to live pure lives. We lived the monastic lifestyle, and the community was structured like the yoga ashrams in ancient India were structured. We all were initiated and took Hindu names just like the Hare Krishnas did. The community grew and grew and had small satellite groups all over the U.S. and Canada. It was really clear from the jump that there were those who formed the inner circle and wielded more "power" because of their close proximity to the guru. They became the main program leaders.
The leader is still alive, but the organization evolved into a yoga and HEALTH center, because a lot of people with money wanted all the health benefits of the yogic lifestyle but didn't dig the deeper spiritual aspect of our community.
NOTHING founded by a truly pure soul STAYS absolutely pure, because DILUTION (that is, the intrusion of those with big egos, impurity of mind and intention, greed, etc.) eventually brings POLLUTION.
Just after Master Prabupad passed away, I went to one of their centers to attend kieran (joyous devotional chanting ) with the center in my hometown. They had a life-sized statue of their master sitting on a throne as a tribute to his presence in spirit.
But the center leader sat front and center and -- to ME -- was obviously enjoying being treated as if HE was Prabhupad incarnate. He was too WESTERN (Translate that into "corporate-type" white male with shaved head, naked upper body whose body language would have fit in perfectly in a New York corporate board room where HE was CEO AND COO).
Our center has our guru's guru come from India to be with us for over 4 years. He looked a lot like Prabhupad and the whole adoration scenario was present in our ashram also. We sang the Hare Krishna chant too, but we had OTHER Hindu chants as part of our repertoire. He went back to India and passed away several months after leaving us.
The gradual spiral downward into WORLDLINESS instead of OTHER-worldliness began, and I haven't been back in over 25 years. The magic is gone. But I got what I needed to get from the experience and my personal life is enriched because of what I had experienced.
The only reason I am writing this is to make the point that what happened to the Hare Krishnas happens again and again and again and again. Christianity today bears almost NO resemblance to what the original followers of Jesus experienced when he was alive and in their midst. That's LIFE.
"The right dude at the right time. " This is the mark of true Guru. 🙏❤️🔥
This guy that he is interviewing doesn’t know much at all. He might be a Director of the movie but I can guarantee you since I have been with the movement for over 50 years and I was in management for a while plus I lived in New Vrindavan West Virginia. I can give a much better more clear picture. A lot of what he said is true, but he got a few things wrong which are important. For example, he said, the spiritual master of the movement Srila Prabhupada Appointed 11 gurus, but that absolutely was not true. He only Appointed 11 men to continue each with their own territory to become ritviks Which means priest. They’re only job was to make sure things run smoothly according to the way it had been done in the past. To basically oversee, but they were not supposed to be micromanaging. They were not supposed to be taking worship and sitting on high chairs. They were not supposed to be Raking in a bunch of money from their followers. They were not supposed to take any disciples for themselves. Everything was to be done on behalf of Srila Prabhupada And his movement. All 11 of them got into cahoots with each other a very short time after Srila Prabhupada left this world. And they hatched a plan. A very devious plan convincing others in the whole movement because of their charisma and authority… That they were left to be spiritual, masters, or gurus and take their own disciples. From that day forward a tremendous amount of deviations took place, and so many other horrific things. I work directly under Kirtanananda in the 80’s. I could not put the pieces together back then, but I saw things and was perplexed. I had already become a disciple Srila Prabhupada in 1975 and was never a follower of these 11 and never agreed to what they were doing. I tried to stay there as long as I could to get to the bottom of things and help figure out what’s up and try to correct it somehow. I was not on Internet back then, so it was very difficult to figure out things as far as what was going on. Finally, I had to leave and over the next five years or so I started realizing what had gone on. I have learned a heck of a lot over the last 40 years since I removed myself from living monastery type life, and I have continued fervently with the Krishna consciousness practice personally. I have been shocked and learned many truths, and I am very clear minded about all of it. So many of us have worked very hard on a daily basis to expose, what has actually happened. We try to keep the pure essence of the teachings and the Vedic literature without deviation and help those who are innocent income for that reason. At the same time yes, we try to expose as much as possible for anybody who is willing to listen. It’s the same kind of thing going on in the world today . All over the world people have been living a lie and have been controlled by the Cabal… Corrupt governments everywhere all working together under eight dark web of criminal elite.
There was actually a conspiracy in our movement and they had poisoned Srila Prabhupada. Since then, they had taken many followers, and collected a lot of money, and started their own nonprofits, and things happened that most of members did not even know about (And still don’t ) as they blindly worshiped them. And to this day it continues. Our very wonderful movement was infiltrated by a very bad element, and it is the belief of quite a few of us that one or two of them infiltrated from the CIA with the purposefull intention of destroying the movement from within. They were all convinced in one way or another to band together and be those 11 so they could profit with their positions. There are a lot of stories of abuse, and they changed the books which are ancient old literature. You can find this kind of thing happening in Christianity as well. The Bible was changed, and many of the books were hidden. The evil demoniac elite people have a goal to destroy peoples sovereignty and destroy religion and brainwash our young children all over the world through the educational system that they devise. And it goes on and on and on. I still follow Krishna consciousness independently, just like many of us who try to Reform the movement from within… That did not work. We were either kicked out or the situation became so bad we would have to leave and could not do a thing from the inside anymore. There are tons of us that really do have a story to tell. I’m afraid this person being interviewed doesn’t have a clue really who Srila Prabhupada was and what really happened. Although he did seem to know halfway some truths. I would suggest Joe Rogan to actually interview through research somebody that’s viable and can really tell the true story. I can help connect him with somebody who would be a true good source if he wants to do future interviews about this. There has been a whole committee of us and the main ones on that committee have worked hard and spent tens of thousands of dollars working with forensics. Voice forensics, and forensics regarding toxicity and poisons using hair samples, etc. We have two very well written hardback books with all the documented proof evidence chronologically what happened regarding everything. For anyone that’s really interested in the truth I would suggest give me a message and I can guide Joe Rogan further, who to talk to if he really is serious to do a show with better correct information. I also know about the Peacock film and I am friends with many of the people who have been either traumatized or kicked out or threatened, etc..
Ogm thank you finally Im not the only one who thought he was off
Fascinating story my friend. Thank you for sharing.
Do you know about Krishnanand Swami Maharaj, what happened to him? Why was he thrown out in 1980? What conspiracy was hatched against him and who were those 11 people, can you tell their names here. If you have any information about this, please reply.
You mentioned the book, where I can find it?
every single evil thing about this cult is directly Prabhfrauds responsibility and he is the cause. the fish rots from the head and Prabhufraud was a rotten fish
Don’t know much about this group but one of my favorite lines in Max Payne 3 is “these guys made the NYPD look like the Hare Krishnas”
when does he say that? is it during the favela raid by the militarized cops?
@@ej4458 yea
Awesome game
Hare krishna here hello ive been a devotee for a year now and im happy
A devotee for a year now🤣 You're not a devotee yet and with that kind of intelligence you probably never be one, at least not this lifetime, boy!
That is very good.
Challenges will find you, though.
Brace yourself 🙏🦚🐄🙌
This is what ozzy Osborne would look like if he didn’t do all those drugs
😂😂😂
😂 bruh......
💙"कृष्ण सदा सहायते"🇮🇳🙏🏼
Go visit New Vrindiban Golden Temple in West Virginia. Pretty cool site.
There are bad Apples everywhere. 😣😣
Yeah bad apples r everywhere but hare krishna is a bad tree....
@@sarthak3441every thought and action is Karma. We are all on our own journey.
While still in the ARMY I drove to New Vrindavan in 1973 and was very surprised to see Keith Hamm (Kirtanananda Swami) dressed in traditional monk clothes sporting a holster with a revolver . This was long before the Golden Palace even began construction.
Srila Prabhupada never appointed any successor Gurus. They poisoned him and made themselves "Gurus".
So it's true? Where can I find more information about This?
Srila Prabhupada is actually from my city of Kolkata.
His birthplace is barely 6 kilometres away from my place. About 6 minutes on my motorcycle.
Joe when he said he looked crazy… so spot on. He was just evil as heck. A wolf pretending
My personal experience is that the Hare Krishna movement is anything but an Non profit Org. They are using the life and teachings of Lord Krishna mostly to live an idyllic life while enjoying most of all of the comforts it brings.
As a landman. I acquire oil and gas leases off of landowners so the company can drill. New Vrindaban, West Virginia (Main Krishna Community in the US, 1000’s of acres) is in big time Natural Gas country. I leased the whole community in 2010 and made good commission from it. I met practically all of the high ups in the community and I can tell you all of them are good people and hate what happened in the community back in the 80’s. They are all super peaceful.
sure kiddo, just sure, lol
To your face they are. Behind closed doors. They're touching kids....
🧢🧢
@@jjg1501 Weird how people like you would rather live in their own preconceptions, rather than consider an alternate viewpoint from someone who has a first hand experience. Actually, it's not just weird - it's insulting to your fellow man, and sign of not only being arrogant, but cripple-minded. I heard cnn has openings. Maybe you should take your talents there.
I was a member for 20 years. It is not what it seems. It is a full on cult. Authoritarian control, abuse, the whole bit. Despite the folded hands and smiling faces.
If I had to cast a cult leader in a movie... ummm....this guy for sure.
Tarentino Desert Resort, as the bellman. Would make bank
😂 Yes!
Three of Joe’s past guests are Hare Krishnas. John Joseph and Ray “Raghunath” Cappo both lived in the Brooklyn temple as monks at different times. Ray’s still heavily involved in ISKCON and Joseph is still a devotee. Tulsi Gabbard is also a devotee; she took her oath of office on the Bhagavad Gita in 2013.
Brainwashed.
Hindu does not equal Hare Krishna
Krishna technically isn't even a God but a human manifestation of a God Vishnu.
@@tamberlame27calling Krishna a human manifestation... since it's obvious you haven't been reading much in life, who taught you this anyway?
John Joseph is a scam in human form
Correction, Krishna is the source of Lord Vishnu. Vishnu is a Purusha expansion of Krishna.
Krishna is the Original form and source of all incarnations. The Supreme Personality Of Godhead
Locals referred to the guy as Swami Bhaktapad. There were always stories going around that there were bad things going on at the palace of gold. He was on house arrest in an apartment next to my school. My friend lived in one of those two apartments, I’m just not sure if he was there when the swami was. He was allowed out something like an hour a week to go get groceries. Saw him walking across the park to the store a couple times. Had friends that would go out there in the 90’s and I think some that still do. Quite a few for the festival of color. Girl I went to college with said her dad had been one of his bodyguards. Never verified it, but never had any reason to not believe her.
Using astronomical clues found in Mahabharat (which Bhagavat Gita is part of), astronomes has dated Bhagavat Gita to be about 7600 years old. That means 5600 BC.
Its funny to see how Joe acts when he is learning from someone and how he treats them compared to when he talks to friends and teaches them things.
Powerful ideas always attract the best and the worst of people.
The issue is that leaders need strong egos but it’s what purpose they channel their ego for that determines whether it’s a cult or a religion.
Important conversations thanks.
Definitely this Darkened stuff has gone on, and to some extent does go on in the Krishna movement, which is a fact.
It is also a fact, that stuff goes on like this , ( wherever ) you get large groups of people , over a long period of time.
My personal experience is, I humbly feel , I have gained more clarity, and development in Krishnas consciousness, than , all other paths I have tried .
Sincerity on the path, and facing ugly facts ( ie, the toxic aspects within the Krishna movement ) , head on, and in a balanced way , I have found to be very helpful all round 🙏
Chris, from Brighton, UK
There is a local guy on Commercial Drive, Vancouver BC that yells out "Hareee Krishna! Hareee Krishna!' to people that walk by
Love that dude 😅
Hinduism is weird 😅
I have never seen so many weird people in one city like I have in Vancouver Canada.
I don't know if all the weirdest and strangest people in the entire country of Canada migrate there or what but it is wild.
Being legally able to poses 2.5 grams of any drug will have its affects..
@@yourhighness4-20 that's where Toronto sends all it's weirdos
I live 20 minutes from palace of gold
It's really nice out der now I go out der all all the time
I spent 4 yrs in Hare Krsna.....It gave me a lot as I engaged in meditation, Vedas reading BUT when it became destructive on my self confidence especially as a woman I started to quit....It was 2 yr proces to go out of all these dos and donts....In HK woman was pressed there to be HUMBLE NOT QUESTIONING ANYTHING ESPECIALLY GURUS.....
Best wishes on your healing journey. 💛
Yes your well being comes first. That's a civic responsibility. Take care
I would love to get to know more of your journey
@@marksw575me too. I met so many amazing ppl at the temple. And as someone said, it was the ones who shyd away from showing their fake devotion who were the gems. I built so many deep connections there and find that it's not easy to meet ppl with beautiful hearts anymore
Sorry to hear you ,,, every where good and bad is there even in our family also husband childrens also not comparable even though we are adjusting and going ahead, I think u read Bhagavad Gita
This nature is built by duality according to nature different people are there.
One more thing Krishna will test us in different ways whether in those situations also we holding Lotus feet of krishna or conquered by Maya ?
Any system whether ISKON or Christ or anyother thing good and bad is there but our goal to focus on Krishna and qualify in his tests and reach to his aboard.... U can see the example of meerabai, Santh thukaram, Ramanuja charaya also hated by his guru Yamuna charaya but he didn't gave up ..
ISKON WILL GIVE BEST PEACE AND CONFIDENCE AND INNER STRENGTH DONT LOOK PEOPLE BEHAVIOUR THERE JUST LOOK KRISHNA'S MERCY
HARIBOLL
I grew up in rural FL. In the 90s one of the ranch properties we bought had weird ruins on it, that were apparently built and destroyed/never finished by Hare Krishna people. This was in the middle of nowhere, in the woods. It was a strange dome structure. Grew up wondering what it was when my dad told me recently it was them.
Jacque Fresco made some domes out there.. there is also many in SW Miamidade
@@dertythegrower oh interesting, where he died was extremely close to our area
This place is in like south Florida? The devotees bought it not realizing that it was on a flood plane not very good for agriculture. They sold it and moved on. The dome was made because it’s made of insular polysteel. Very durable.
What's not being mentioned here is that the Hare Krishna's were a strong movement in India before it coming to the west and of course it goes back thousands of years. There are numerous groups or temples that don't belong to the organization ISKCON which people refer to when speaking of the Hare Krishna's that's something that's missed when they talk about organizational issues. It's like when a group of churches that may be Methodist or Baptist or whatever else do horrible things and all Christian churches and communities get associated with that. I'm also not saying ISKCON as an organization is bad or good I'm just pointing out that it's one group of many that come from the same line
They dont need to go deeply into the traditions as their movie is about the New Vrindvan Chapter . I hope they put early history in like the Hells Angels attack on New Vrindavan and the devotees being held at gunpoint . Thats an amazing hillbilly story
It does not go back thousands of year what are all of you talking about? That's like saying anabaptists started during the ministry of Christ
@@blindi6326 Yes it most certainly does. ISKCON is an organization that was set up by Srila Prabhupada but the teachings and the line of Gurus goes back thousands of years this is a fact. Stop spreading misinformation
@@blindi6326 sanatana dharam goes back to the beging of time . Gaudiya vaisnavism which this Hare Krishna movementis part off goes back to Bengal 500 years ago with advent of Golden Avatar mentioned in vedic texts as golden for this age of Kali yuga
@@atrismith7487 Yeah, 500 years isn't thousands of years..
I have joined ISKCON in 2018.. And if you ever want to experience magic. This is the place to be. I have received so many amazing things since joining. and literally every succes I've had in my life (financially, romantic, socially) has come from the scriptures that they preach. This movement saved my life and the best way to describe it is MAGIC. the relevancy that the Vedic scriptures have in today's age is uncanny.. Muhammed and Jezus are also mentioned in these 5000+ year old scriptures. And they are recognized as super souls who come directly from God (Krishna) himself.
Lovely, being born and brought up in ISKCON from 3 generations now ,please expect anything and everything with an open heart. Lord works in mysterious ways .
Hmm 🤔 doesn't the Gita say he takes from you to Test you or something? Pretty sadistic I must say. When I used to visit a temple I felt peace no doubt but to say you get these materialistic benefits is pretty exclusive isn't it? Pray to me if you can find me and you're good, if not then hey look another religion saying exactly the same. 🎉
Hare Krishna ❤🙏🏻
Thats not true - no where are they mentioned. And ISKCON is the Caucasian Christian man's version of Hinduism.
The devotees who won over the hearts of the Beatles, did so by baking delicious, and love filled apple pies, which were daily delivered to Apple Studios. One day the pies stopped coming, for some reason, and the Beatles came looking for the devotees, one of whom was
Yamuna Devi dasi
I remember this guy. He was in the movies I took from my dad's vhs box...
Been to the Krishna temple in Bangalore. Amazing.
It's IMPOSSIBLE to trace oral tradition in numbers of years with any accuracy
The real Hare Krishna sing and dance in the winter
That doesn’t prove depth. There are a lot of robots in all walks of life.
@@is-ness I think you lack a SOH
Everyone who had any knowledge of ISKCON knows that the West Virginia temple was not sanctioned by ISKCON. Yes the one who called himself kirtananda was off doing his own thing and this is why he and the temple he built was not part of ISKCON.
I came to know about iskcon in bangalore around 2015. I went there every week for 1 and half months. Then, one day, I bought around 8-10 books from there and read them all within 2 days as they were short books. But when i read prabhupada's thoughts about scientists, I was shocked. He called them stupid and ignorant, all of them. So i realised it's just another cult with different flavours.
If you want to check, then please read the books available at the temples for sale.
Thanks for sharing your experience with those books. science is so amazing and should not be abandoned just because of brahminism and religious beliefs.
Exactly it is just as dumb when I hear some religious people deny evolution.
@@MoneyMitrovic333Science has achieved its goal of making human life more comfortable like in medicine, food production, transportation.
Scientists now are just repeating themselves in different ways because they need to make money
No apostrophe is needed for a plural
Sometimes genuine spiritual practitioners are labeled as cults. We need to leave room for positive communities without casting wholesale suspicion which amounts to a form of discrimination.
The temple in Moundsville WV is pretty but we all grew up hearing crazy stories about what was going on up there. Then we found out it was worse than we thought. But a new group now owns the land and they seem really nice compared to the 80's group in that temple
Bruh there’s a temple there? I’m from moundsville and never heard of it lol
@@kyletruskie966 It is there. Northeast of moundsville. Pretty impressive temple. Directions are posted on the New Virendabam web site.
He would make a good lead role in a movie for a Charles Manson movie. Lol
They actually show up regularly to the Boston Hemp fest (420 thing), I actually have a business card from one of them and it lit just says like “Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna” like 12 times on the front lol
Try saying it as many times. Your life will change for the better
Why aren’t the guests’ names at least listed in the descriptions? Some people don’t know who the guests are or what they’re known for.
I grew up less than 5 miles from New Vrindaban. I wouldn’t call it cold or remote. It is about twenty minutes outside of a metro area of 140k and it is rare it gets below freezing outside the dead of winter. The local folklore is the remaining people that were missing were dumped in a local lake, Birches Run. This lake was actually drained roughly 20 years ago.
Yeah, same thing I was thinking. 😂 that’s “remote”? I grew up in between Huntington and Charleston. Definitely remember that place being promoted as a tourist attraction.
What was found in the lake ?
Do they have David Koresh types patrolling those thousands of acres with woodland bdus, Glocks, and commie blocs or what?
Movie SILENT HILL starring RADHA MICHAEL is in memory of all those abused Hare Krishna children in West Virginia.
Shame that Rogan didn’t have Duncan Trussell sit in on this episode
Nah fr
Lmao I thought that was Evan Stone on JRE 🤣
Sick
Yes, Keith Ham he was bent before he joined. He was a prolific debauchee and had a longing for fame and to be recognized as a religious reformer.
My knowledge from the Krishna came from Grand Theft Auto 2 on my PS1
I remember a documentary about this back in the 80's. I think it was on 60 minutes.
The title of the guy was boc-to pod. It was eventually ex-communicated from the actual movement.
The ONLY spiritual teachings I “trust” anymore are those that don’t require belief, but rather direct the seeker to ask, “who am I who believes this or that? Who is this ‘I’ who is seeing, believing, thinking, feeling?”
In other words, to “know thyself.”
Somehow I think that is more suitable in a world that is full of narcissism and codependency, which is the dual dynamic of cults.
Actually, true Krishna Consciousness is a scientific method to become free from all misconceptions of life. One needs to be thoroughly objective to understand its purports. Naturally, many people are not philosophical nor very intelligent and are easily misguided by sentimental notions and misconceptions.
Check out Ramana Maharshi and advaita Vedanta non duality 🙏☮️☯️☸️🕉️🥰
@@samartman3395 For sure! Ramana Maharshi was exactly who I was thinking about when I wrote my comment -- pure teacher, no agenda, clear and simple without fanciful concepts
Read 'Bhagavad Gita As It Is' if you want wisdom of the soul
Actually Don't Read the Orange Cover Bhagavad Gita as it is, 500 edits in that book. Totally changed
Read 1972 MacMillan Bhagavad-Gita, this is Srila Prabhupad's original Gita Without All The Changes!
@@c0smos1sg76Haribol ! Most definitely. PRABUPADA'S BONA FIDE BOOKS, NOT CROOK BOOKS.Humble respect.
Being broke and having love is the most beneficial
you dont even know w hat love is, lol
i love Krishna
I've been to the Golden Palace (New Vridivan) in WV for several parties... U can see the lil shacks where children were kept in the woods around the temple...it's a mad feeling...the book "Monkey on a Stick" is about the center & a lot of the criminal psychotic shit that happened back then...
How were the parties there
Monkey on a Stick is a great book -- albeit a little disturbing. Drugs, violence, abuse of women. abuse of children., All documented.
@@modern.monkE99 super dope...there was a stag that laid down next to me inside the temple just after sunrise... Maata Mandara used to be a yearly gig with our dmt crew & the Philly cats...idk if it's still a thing...that was a long time ago
To Westerners: If you really want to enjoy or read deep philiosophy THE BEST India has to offer read Vedanta. Very high level but the best thing India/Hinduism (culture not religion) has given to humanity.
Good discussion, yes there is evil everywhere, especially hiding in the guise of goodness,
however, it's very easy to throw the baby out with the bath water;
The teachings of Srila Prabhupada and ancient Vedic India are universal and is up to the individual to see the essence...
ofcourse crazy people are going ruin the purity, however faith in Krishna or Buddha, Jesus ext. is not reliant on any institution. which are inevitably corrupt...
Hare Krishna Hallelujah
Jesus is the only way
@@nickf2657 Jesus is a son of God!
God is Krishna
Yes much crime all around the world.
This has nothing to do with hare Krishna.
Thanks for saving my time man.
Born Hindu here, from the city of Prabhupada, there are a shit load of controversial statements by him, casteist, to be precise.
he was man of his times....so don't judge!
The movement that Prabupada started was beautiful and wonderful and it is a shame what Keith Ham did to tarnish the reputation however this happens in all walks of life. From Catholics to schools to police to sports teams to Boy Scouts to USA Gynastics . We have sick humans in all places we encounter but that doesn’t mean all those places are inherently bad. The core teaching of love for God and love for others is true bliss
I'd rather be broke and have love, than have money and a loveless relationship!
I’d rather have money and have love
I dunno. If I had a ton of money I'd be willing to rent a loveless relationship.
@@taylorlibby7642that’s sad
@@DagnirRen Nah, that's realistic. What's a sad lie is to moralistically pretend that money has nothing to do with relationships.😁
@@taylorlibby7642sounds shallow, hollow, and ultimately depressing. Ask literally anyone that’s done that lol it gets old knowing your partner is only with you for money, doesn’t matter if they’re extremely attractive.
I know the history of ISKCON. I was a big part of it back then. ISKCON has NOT addressed the child molestation issues in their movement. They are still ignoring big parts of it and no perpetrators have been punished.
The dark chapter still goes on; it's not in the open now. Prabhupada died and the criminals took over. Prabhupada is perfect; most of his students were not.
I like how you said people don't want the world in front of them.
I haven't watched the show yet but I will even though it will obviously be sensationalised etc.
I studied the Hare Krishna stuff for two years with the plan to join them full time and give myself over to them when I felt I was ready but it never happened because the deeper into them I got the more horrible things I would find out.
For instance Prabu never passed away but was unalived by those closest to him and he never appointed them as gurus, they did that for themselves after they had poisoned him. At that stage he had said many times (there are audio recordings to prove all of this stuff including the poisoning) that he wanted to disband the Krishnas because he did not like the direction they had gone in etc and by then all of the children were being harmed, they were bringing homeless drinkers and drug addicts into it just to make up the numbers and they were walking around carrying machine guns etc.
The message and Krishna conciousness is a great thing and I don't think even now that the Krishnas themselves were a cult but ISKCON did in the end become one when it all fell apart and it was all done by the same bunch of evil maniacs who do most of the bad stuff that happens here like wars etc and so my message would be follow the scriptures and messages if you wish and you will benefit from it but always remember that god is within and a part of you and you do not need a human to give you his message etc.
Anyone know the name of the documentary their talking about?
no
It's called. Krishnas: Gurus Karma Murder.
@@mattressfair thank you
@@mattressfairthanx
Jai Shree Krishna
Best way is we should focus on ourself we can't make everyone good
This guy is a great spokesperson for the movement
This guy's the best ventriloquist I've ever seen.
I see it…lol
lol he talks really good for a guy with no teeth
😂😂😂
Lol😂 I was thinking my phone was skipping
Airplane 🎥🍿 was hysterica!😂
So glad someone is finally speaking out about this
I heard that "here comes the sun" is also about Srila Prabhupada
I am a hindu but tell me guys wat difference is there in the hare krishna movement and catholicism ? Like i dont see a difference in the way they approach spirituality. Instead of meditating on mary and jesus u meditate on krishna thats it right? Maybe the stress on salavation has only one way is not there but i dont think christ even cares abt that nor is the figure of christ that cheap to care abt ur belief in his literal death and resurrection , its all church's dogma. Leave that one part and focus on his main teachings and one will have a grt life with meaning.
Not well-written, but certainly well-said! Got my like.
Facts it's just Catholic stuff with our beloved Sri Krishna ISKON has ruined Hinduism and ruined the greatest book Srimad Bhagwat Geeta that book is filled with misinterpretation.
First of all we can't judge or screen these human faced monsters while they are approaching to a particular religious group and secondly u must realize that Christ and Mary are the MESSENGERS of the God but KRISHNA IS THE GOD and in hindu culture we medidate to forms of the GOD for ex: tridev not the preachers, we memorize the contributions of those divine beings(preachers) or them to be straight forward and the monster that has been discussed in the podcast is not anything new in the history of religious bodies it's like say if we have basket full of apples then there will some rotten regardless of which farmer grown them from whichever farm ok? So on this basis do you think making this social issue as religious is needed?
Whts ur caste??
@@sarthak3441 i am a sanatani didn't get with what intentions you are asking this?
Hare Krishna!
Gesundheit
À tes souhaits
Hari bol JAI Jaganatha.
I have found so much peace in ISKON teachings. You need to use your own judgement as well when you get pulled into something like this
same... its old veda knowledge about god / krishna - to know krishna is the best thing in my life - deep healing to reconnect with my true self and god...
The teachings are not 'ISKCON'. They are available to anyone and are the teachings of Krishna and Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. They are non-sectarian and belong to all, not just to those in one (watered down) institution.
ROMANS 10:9-10 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
99% of Bible verse quotes in RUclips comments are bots, religion is dying and AI will be the only Christians left in 10 years 😂
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Who played the hare krishnas in GTA 1 and 2?
A humble suggestion for people who want to accept Hinduism, do not follow ISKON, HARE KRISHNA movement.. go beyond it. Dont be a cult follower.. read history of hinduism and scriptures only published by Gitapress, Gorakhpur. They publish unbiased hindu scriptures, iskon manipulated Bhagwad Gita to their own benefits.
None of the Hindus conquered the world because they are polytheists, they do not have a concept of who is god and who is just an angel, although the sastras are written directly about this. This is a problem only for Western temples. I have never encountered such scandals in the CIS. Because of this, it is accused of sectarianism when every second movement of the Indies is worse than those atrocities committed by inhumans.
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, hare hare!
Hard Rame, Hari Rama, Rama Rame, Hari Hari
This guy looks like a character in a post Vietnam movie that would say, "You weren't there maaaaaan!"
Tarentino
He looks like Dylan mulvanys dad
joe will have anyone on but an orthodox christian monastic.
Those are silent monks. Hard to be on a podcast 😕
It would be hilarious tho, especially if he decided to talk. He would be such a thoughtful guest, make Elon seem chatty.@moniqueengleman873
good
Doesn't have to be a monastic, but an academically inclined or at least educated orthodox Christian would be cool. Jonathan Pageau on Rogan would be amazing.
@@moniqueengleman873 orthodox monastics aren’t silent. what do you mean?
Steve jobs ate 2 times free meals in hare Krishna temple when he was a poor and hungry student!
So I got my first apartment at 16 I was working about 16 hours a and I've been a vegetarian since I was 12 since the Smiths broke up I used to go like three times a week to the hare Krishna place in Boston for the free vegetarian meals and they never bothered me they never t haunted me the scientologists on the other hand
Maybe cos they didn't see that 'spark' in you that could be directed towards selling books
Good for you 😊
@@dinom3106 I used to see hk people around all the time but not so much anymore. I had time to kill one time and I took a Scientology personality test. I got mail from them for years. I changed addresses a bunch of times, I was in federal prison but no matter where I went id get stuff from the Scientologists. Nothing against them though.
The way this guy pronounces devotee drives me nuts
had a coworker who was a Mennonite growing up and escaped it, lost track of her, apparently she moved states, she nonchalantly said how inter course before 18 with their leader was absolutely “needed” she talked about it as if it was okay, damn
Well that's actually 0.0000000001% of what Islam and Christianity cult is.
Prabhupad was an enlightened atman, with zero ego, completely in tune with universal consciousness - SAT CHIT ANANDA, you guys won't get it, first raise your consciousness
Hinduism also have many thoughts of school like
(1) bhakti = in which you choose your medium and pray to it like water, fire, Idol worshipping, etc and pray to it to reach ultimate truth.
(2)Nirisvaravada = Hindu atheism ("Argument against the existence of god"). In this people believe in good deed and follow the logic but don't believe in existence of any god. there are many thousands of year old books written about it in Hinduism
(3) buddhtv = in this people work on themselves by meditating to gain enlightment in search of ultimate truth of life, and following path of non violence against any leaving creature, in this people particularly don't believe or believe in God
(4) tantrik = in this people perform various type of rituals for various kind of things
(5) digambari = in this thay leave every worldly Desire even clothes and eat raw vegetables, harming any leaving creature as minimum as possible to reach Mukti
(6) Aghori = in this there is not much information because of their Limited contact to outside world but they pray to God of destruction Shiva and leave on destruction they do whatever they want and play with human Ashes , eat non veg, eat human flesh during cremation, thay perform black magic , and many more. etc
(7) Guru = following any role model that show you the ultimate light like your mother, father, any scientist, etc.
(8) Dharma = in this people follow their duty in society like doctor Dharma is to treat its patient as good as possible, Warrior Dharma is to protect the week and its country, son Dharma is to serve their old parents during their hard time etc. (Doing your work joyfully in society)
🚩These are some mainstream thought of school in Hinduism there are many many more 🚩
NOTE:- the ultimate goal is mukti in which people get free from eternal cycle of life and death. dissolving in the ultimate truth and becoming one with it and during this process they get every answer of every question that they ever have.
Giving power is easier than falling taking it back is harder than flying.