Wow....a SME telling people to buy what they want, go out and train and be responsible for tailoring your kit to your use case. I'm blown away. Awesome video!
Absolutely baller of him to up and down the pros and cons of all decisions. I always try to tell people that no matter what you do or go with, there will be a negative you may have to train around.
There are no solutions; only trade off's. As you said, he's a baller in his approach. Open up the ears, listen a lot; read a lot; Open up the wallet; wade in; try; learn; adjust; try again; learn and grow into proficient marksmanship. One has to give time time.
One of the best explanation I heard. Each contract was specified to fill a niche. They never had a “do it all” gun, in reality. They were all purpose built. I like the 80% solution approach.
Spends 10 minutes explaining how dumb it is to refer to specific builds as Recce, dmr, spr.... Then immediately says here we have a dmr/spr rifle... Eye roll
I've been lucky enough to get to give some friends and family their first experience shooting 300-500 yards. Every single one of them was surprised to see what they could do with a 3x magnifier and a red dot. They'll probably never shoot that far again, but the confidence it gave them in their rifle was tremendous.
I absolutely believe it. I had the opportunity to shoot, with very knowledgeable instructors, at up to 600 yards with my carry handle equipped 20" and was making solid hits. Granted it was at a range under controlled circumstance, but I was blown away that I could actually do that.
Just started on my 18” build yesterday actually - for my use, after moving to a new state and new AO etc, the longer average range… Decided to stretch it out a little, now I just need some freedom pills so I can get good at it.
Good info. I appreciate the fact that you are willing to talk about how people tend to overthink the simplicity of a setup and that you can get away with allot from having more simplistic addon's.
@@brandonrupp5880 that was me with pistol grips and stocks, tried just about all of them. I had my buddies go through my box of ones I don't use and pick out whatever they wanted.
I think that’s the biggest concern most people have @14:00ish. I would spend the money on a 1-8x atacr no problem, however I can’t say crap I should’ve gone with the 4-16x atacr and go out and get that one too. Great info though! Thanks fellas
Good thing about optics, you dont really lose value. You can buy one, try it, and if you don't like it you can sell it for almost what you paid and go with something else.
OMG. Make this vide a lecture! The advice in here are so common sense (something in really short supply today) that should become training in their own, and this apply on everytihng, from watches to phone to gun to house and everything in between... very well done
For sure. The unit identifies a need and fills the role with a specific weapon. Which everyone should already be doing, but they choose to copy a specific build from a specific unit thinking it will provide the same results. If it’s just for funsies then have it! If not, put a little more thought into it.
Great video! I like to build to fit specific needs such as DMR/308 for anything over 300, a 555 with a ACOG for up to 300 and a 10.3-11.5 with a red dot for 100 and in. I also have a backup SMG (semiauto) as a get home gun. If I was to only have one I would run a 16 inch 556 red dot magnifier combo since it is highly versatile.
This video described the Wife and I to a T. I bought an NF ATACR 1-8 but our range only supports 100yds. I have shot red dot on our range and I know its enough but we're forced to sit at a bench and only shoot 5 rounds per magazine and 3-5 seconds in between rounds. But we didn't care, cause we're getting older now and our eyes are not as good as they were. I know I have over killed it, but it will still be fun shooting a target we can zoom in on.
@@tylerb556 yeah it sucks I have a couple local ranges here in Colorado and I refuse to go to them because I can just go out to BLM land and train as a please and not have a RO watching me the whole time
@@tylerb556 Yup, It's our only outdoor range, we have 2 indoor ranges but man do they charge a lot to just use it, and we're forced to either buy a membership and pay for ammo from them so its a not go for me.
@@tylerb556 Ranges have rules like that because there are plenty of stories of people doing stupid things. Most of the subscribers to this channel can probably handle drawing from a holster but as an RSO, I've seen some really scary firearms handling from beginner shooters and if they see someone else doing it, they may want to try it and either severely injure themselves or someone else in the process. Trust me, I felt the same way until I started RSO'ing and again, I've seen some really piss poor firearms handling.
I know what I WANT. Then there is what I NEED. I can buy what I want for the most part ..but if I'm honest with myself ,given my location ,my available range and my 80 percent and available time ,Im over here in red dot land with a magnifier . What I want to do is buy all that rad shit on the table and train with you dudes ! How often am I going to get to do even that? I appreciate you both and the content keeps me honest .
Great video, all the videos in this series made me reconsider my LR-308 when I practice at a 50 yard range most of the time with a red dot 16 inch 5.56
Built a Mk12 Mod H -ish. Was actually surprised that while not light, it’s not as heavy as I expected. But long story short, have the first acquisition for the 80% that you have. Then you can add other configurations later (assuming state law doesn’t change)
100% it’s about defining your purpose and building the rifle accordingly and then testing to verify the rifle works well in that scenario. The problem is a HUGE amount of internet banter is from people that either don’t shoot or just want to show pictures of their groups 🍻 😂
Different environments = different tools🤷🏼♂️... As a combination btw both I use the Springfield Hellion VHS 2 with a magnifier & red dot fmr.🪂⚕️🕵️♂️🏴☠️🤘
Novice here with long range or anything far, but I’ve always wondered why the levels were important and that 10 inches of shift because of a degree was mind blowing and such a “that make total sense” moment so thanks for the information
Flip side perspective: if your regular max distance is 300yds or less, I'd wager your human eye and basic calibration (ground below me, sky above me, trees grow perpendicular to ground) can tell you whether your rifle is canted mildly. Out at 500, 600 + the little deviation becomes bigger and you may not perceive the tilt in your reticle.
I think the longest shot taken by an LE sniper was something like 90yds. My patrol rifle is an 11.5 with a dot. I keep a qd magnifier in my fupa pouch.
This was a great video , I know now that I need a long rang dmr , that I can kick doors in , like a shorty with a red dot, that can hit bud light cans at 1000yards.
Why would you take a canted reflex sight out to 500 yards when you have a magnified optic on top? Why would that matter? An option was missed. Prism with canted red dot. Light weight now + plenty of options + rugged. In many ways, it can be cheaper too.
For optics, my latest kick is LPVO/MPVO with a red dot at 12 or 1 o'clock. The LPVO/MPVO is mounted low (1.5" mounts) so I can get a good cheek weld for distance and the red dot is usually positioned close to the height that the Unity FAST mount provides where I use a more heads up, chin weld.
Facts. Folks want the immediate "what" without putting in the leg work for the "why", and often end up with the wrong "what" for their application. Also, frfr on being intellectually honest about your decisions. If you wanna clone something, cool. Just be honest about it instead of trying to justify paying excess for outdated tech. 😂
I have 2 main rigs for 556 / 223W. One is my actual go too which is 13.9 with EXPS3 paired with G43 3x . My other rig is 14.5 223W paired with 1-10× . Centurion MIDWEIGHT HF and BA Hanson Premium Black Series are my favorite barrels. I used to think I needed my MK18 ( MK / MARK is USN term by the way) to do CQB or shooting in confined spaces. Now that I have 100x better skills I'd personally wouldnt go any shorter than 13.7 . My main rig us 13.9 with YHM Turbo K . This setup does not slow me down at all in confined spaces . Ballistic Advantage 556n Hanson and 223W Hanson Premium Black Series Barrels are IMO the best bang for your buck . For all you cloners out there if you dont wanna spend 400+ on TDP Douglas MK12 Barrel. BA has 223W TACTICAL Gov/ MK12 Mod H Profile Barrel . I have real deal MK12 and I've seen 0 diffrence in accuracy using MK262 or 69g TMK. The difference between 0.50" groups and 0.75" groups doesnt justify spending 300+ bucks more on a barrel . I've tried everything from Proof to Criterion . BA Premium Black Series Barrels is the best bang for your buck when it comes to accuracy . BA Hanson and Centurion are the only barrels I'll be using for the time being . It took 15 years for me to finally get away from my Colt M4A1 Block II. I'll always love my Block II but it's not my main rig anymore . In 2006 they were running the Insight WMX . That light sucked balls and cost your first born if you wanted one for a clone .
My problem with a magnifier out to 2-400 yards is that it becomes very difficult to see what ur target is adding in affect of concealment or cover as well as camo it makes it nearly impossible to see even with a magnifier I run a lpvo 1.5-4x with a red dot on the 12 o clock mount
So…basically a 13.7”-20” Scoped upper and a shorter 10.5”-12.5” suppressed with red dot, possibly a magnifier. Then a good lower should cover most bases.
This is a basic primary self defense rifle for the common civilian under all basic considerations. Caliber commonality should be the first criteria to consider as well as weigh of said ammo and it's effectiveness on the most likely targets, so 5.56 for a rifle and 9mm for a hand gun. For long term EOTWAWKI, the 22LR is an impressive consideration for the weight factor for a secondary gun like a Ruger 10-22. Self defense is a primary concern so more ammo in the gun is better than less (because even though a pro can do more with fewer bullets than the inexperienced, most watching this video are inexperienced), and ease of operation so the semiautomatic makes the list. Most will not have to deal with shooting 100 yards much less further so a high powered scope is unlikely to be needed and that make Iron sights the simple and reliable choice, perhaps adding a laser or red dot as well. That leaves something like an AR-15 or a Ruger Mini14 with a 16" to 18" barrel with either a laser or red dot and iron sights for when the batteries are dead. My first build was a 1-7 twist 16" AR-15 lightweight polymer lower build with military style carry handle/sights, triangle hand guard with a collapsible stock ambi charging handle and is stupid light even with the standard 30 round magazine in the gun and cost about $500. The second is a 1-8 twist 20" AR-15 heavyweight barrel with a welded steel lower build with a Simmons 8 point 9x50 scope, ambi charging handle and a 13" free float hand guard and BUIS and a fixed M-16 military style stock and it cost $679.08
You can get a CMMG 22 LR conversion kit for your 5.56 AR15. If you are worried about an end of the world build for when the batteries run out, then maybe a LPVO or a prism optic with an etched reticle instead of a red dot. If you pick your reticle right, you don't need batteries to shoot in the daytime with an etched reticle anyway.
as a dirty civilian that started out at the age of 4 just wanting to hip shoot cans off the fence post ive grown up wanting all the guns and need to know the optimal rifle set up for every situation
I'm a strong believer in training on the fundamentals with your tool first grips, stance movement finding what is most comfortable for you then building around that with any attachments you add grips, sights, lights and pressure switch as far as length and caliber most people forget in a true SHTF situation most of the danger and engagements you will face will happen within a hundred yards or less unless you have a compound you are defending guarded by multiple people you are not going to be dealing with and engaging threats from hundreds of yards away you will be better off avoiding those threats and attempting to move undetected unless you are just a murderer looking to hunt people a PDW with knock down power out to 300 yards should be enough and easier to move with hide with if needed more than that will be for hunting food people buy gear and build their tools like they are going to invade Vietnam 😂😂😂
I somewhat agree but the cost of the setup you have is way up there (7k or more)...for most guys and gals out the 556 is going to be the only attainable option
"Recce" is just a new name for a "scout rifle" but there can't be only one, just one that your willing to accept risk for. I love the constant banter almost as much as I hate it. You need a few tools in your toolbox if you're a mechanic so to speak. Nobody defies physics and ft/lbs or shot placement either.
People don’t want to have buyers remorse and so they seek out people who can tell them what to get. However, you really need that personal experience to really be able to know what works for you.
Any chance you could cover suppressors? The pros and cons of the full sized can vs the mini. What are you giving up with the shorter can? Is there a difference in back pressure? On 14.5 and longer barrels do you get similar performance with the mini vs full sized RC2 on short barrels? Your content is great. Love your channel. Thank you.
Really wish i could send you some pics of my setup. As a complete civilian, would be really curious to hear your honest and professional opinion. If possible, let me know and thank you
If people within this community would stop expecting others to quantify "why" they built something the way they did, you would probably get pestered less about "what should I build" and people will just start making their own decisions and build what they want.
Joe can you do a video on witness marks? I feel a lot of people don’t do it especially on red dots. I’ve also seen some people have two witness marks so they know their shifts from training 55gr to say 77 train.
Folks that need to ask what to get do not yet have enough knowledge about what they’re going to do with the rifle. For all of them the rifle to get is a rack grade FN15A4. It will do everything and do it well. From US Service Rifle Competition to deer hunting.
These videos will always have do’s and don’ts. Also things that are common practice but they do not do. Because, they don’t agree with it for whatever reason. It’s like the guy in the spr video says. It boils down to all the fundamentals. Once you get that down then tweak it to your style/ ability. They give you the formula how you get the results up to you. Most people just don’t even sit behind the optic and just breathe. Don’t shoot, but just breathe, You can see when it sits at rest, how it moves when breathing. Hell just practice lining up the target before the shot.
Can you hit 600 with a 12.5? Of course, your hold is going to be ridiculous but you can do it. You should really be running 16"+. Can you clear rooms with a 20"? Yes, that was mentioned in the video. The 80% rule is your go to/SHTF/end of the world rifle. There's no reason not to have purpose built rifles for the other 20% though; they're fun and this is America.
DMR is a support role, SPR is a direct engagement with broader range capability, assaulter to 800 yards, with less weight consideration. Recce is weight focused SPR typically dropping the heavy barrel and support consideration. (by support i mean high volume of fire) Great video
I'll repost what I did on another comment about this: for things you don't want to come off like a scope base, red dot into a mount, sling attachment point etc it can be beneficial. Considering crane did it for scope bases of the mk13 to the action itself to help bed the pic rail to the receiver. They also red locktite aim points to their mounts for mil use but if you swap mounts constantly then blue can work. I don't locktite scope rings as it can change torque settings in something that is very torque sensitive like a scope.
I love that a RUclipsr thinks he is more then the average civilian as I’m watching this the way he talks makes it seem like he thinks he’s better and he’s been building clones his whole year career but now says you can’t and you shouldn’t be building guns like the military if ur not in the military but yet he never served in the military and he’s doing it
@@jimmybrodriguez you stated “ you and I both had a conversation offline that civilians should stop using verbiage that the military uses and don’t mimic what they are doing and focus on and maybe focus on doing a red dot gun and not a scoped carbine gun and then go into staring and sounded like only “YOU” know what the capabilities are of each gun depending on the barrel lengths
Never said not to do a scoped carbine. I think you missed the point of what we’re talking about. We were saying it would be better for civilians to develop their own setups based on their own needs because civilian needs, budget, and training availability are vastly different than that of the the US military. I said that the biggest determining factor of setups are the optics i.e. red dot vs LPVO, which is why Joe goes in depth about the simplicity of the red dot setup vs the additional accessories added when using a scope. At no point did I say capabilities were based off barrel length, I actually stated the opposite when I said we can do cqb with long guns and extended distance with short guns.
No way this man @6:10 just just use red lock tite 🤣 I was just gonna listen to a good conversation but after that, idk if I canlisten to that man talk. NEVER PUT RED LOCK TITE ON A WEAPON EVER!
lol to each their own my friend. for things you don't want to come off like a scope base, red dot into a mount, sling attachment point etc it can be beneficial. Considering crane did it for scope bases of the mk13 to the action itself to help bed the pic rail to the receiver. They also red locktite aim points to their mounts for mil use but if you swap mounts constantly then blue can work. I don't locktite scope rings as it can change torque settings in something that is very torque sensitive like a scope.
@@bruiserindustriesllc well hey, it’s a free country brotha!! Just saying, when I did my time in service, they never used red locktite because things just broke with hard use. We used a sh&@ ton of blue locktite on each screw tho. Even with my M110 clone build I had for about 3 years with hard use I never experienced any of my screws coming out of my weapon.
@@bruiserindustries hey real quick- how many people have you personally engaged with a pistol or carbine(not an spr or sass or bolt gun with a clip on nod or thermal) passively? I’ll go ahead and answer for you- zero.
@@user-yj7ph9vk2k RUclips comments isn’t the VFW where you can tell stories nobody cares about and get a beer bought for ya. Been a few places and done a couple things and no passive aiming wasn’t a thing when I was still active but yes it sure as fuck is now. Enjoy your day and have a merry Christmas.
@@bruiserindustries that’s exactly what I thought. A lead in insult followed by a confirmation of my statement. Neither you, nor anyone you know, has ever aimed passively while engaging another person, but now it’s imperative that we do so and train to it because our enemies have NV capabilities. Newsflash- even when your enemy has nods, you’re going to use the illuminator. It’s that much faster and allows for positive identification. And then there’s this thing called shooting while moving. Grow up, Peter Pan. Count Chocula. Stop making stuff up for the sake of content under an idea or fantasy that hasn’t played out yet- so no one really knows how it will go down. I’m glad my original comment still rings true.
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I base all my gun purchases off of 80s and 90s movies, they never miss, and are all hearing safe.
This is the way! I wish it was 80s and 90s prices too
Lol. This is amazing advice. Well, it’s made me chuckle all day at least.
Don't have to be reloaded either
They a,so have unlimited ammo
Wow....a SME telling people to buy what they want, go out and train and be responsible for tailoring your kit to your use case. I'm blown away. Awesome video!
Absolutely baller of him to up and down the pros and cons of all decisions. I always try to tell people that no matter what you do or go with, there will be a negative you may have to train around.
There are no solutions; only trade off's. As you said, he's a baller in his approach. Open up the ears, listen a lot; read a lot; Open up the wallet; wade in; try; learn; adjust; try again; learn and grow into proficient marksmanship. One has to give time time.
One of the best explanation I heard. Each contract was specified to fill a niche. They never had a “do it all” gun, in reality. They were all purpose built. I like the 80% solution approach.
Spends 10 minutes explaining how dumb it is to refer to specific builds as Recce, dmr, spr.... Then immediately says here we have a dmr/spr rifle... Eye roll
One can always acquire other uppers later. Just focus on one for your 80%, get it dialed in and practice with it.
Yep. 80% is m4/acog. Might even be 90%
TL;DW - Pull knowledge from multiple sources, but more importantly, go out and use your stuff and find out what works for you and your situation.
You are a saint
I've been lucky enough to get to give some friends and family their first experience shooting 300-500 yards. Every single one of them was surprised to see what they could do with a 3x magnifier and a red dot. They'll probably never shoot that far again, but the confidence it gave them in their rifle was tremendous.
I absolutely believe it. I had the opportunity to shoot, with very knowledgeable instructors, at up to 600 yards with my carry handle equipped 20" and was making solid hits. Granted it was at a range under controlled circumstance, but I was blown away that I could actually do that.
Building my 13.9 now. Great content
Just started on my 18” build yesterday actually - for my use, after moving to a new state and new AO etc, the longer average range…
Decided to stretch it out a little, now I just need some freedom pills so I can get good at it.
Good info. I appreciate the fact that you are willing to talk about how people tend to overthink the simplicity of a setup and that you can get away with allot from having more simplistic addon's.
Great POV from Joe, especially about owning your decisions on gear choice, and on WMLs of present throw distance vs older WMLs.
Amen for Joe telling the truth about how personal the fit of a rifle is. It really sucks because it can be a really long and expensive adventure.
Yes very expensive lol
It's an opportunity to be the guy with all the options for other people to try before they buy.
@@brandonrupp5880 that was me with pistol grips and stocks, tried just about all of them. I had my buddies go through my box of ones I don't use and pick out whatever they wanted.
Joe was great. Thanks for having him speak.
I think that’s the biggest concern most people have @14:00ish. I would spend the money on a 1-8x atacr no problem, however I can’t say crap I should’ve gone with the 4-16x atacr and go out and get that one too. Great info though! Thanks fellas
Yup which is why I always recommend people try others gear before buying when they can
Good thing about optics, you dont really lose value. You can buy one, try it, and if you don't like it you can sell it for almost what you paid and go with something else.
OMG. Make this vide a lecture! The advice in here are so common sense (something in really short supply today) that should become training in their own, and this apply on everytihng, from watches to phone to gun to house and everything in between... very well done
Love the opening comments hashing
out terminology and the whys behind them and where they come from.
And the follow on comments about how/why a certain contract fits an exact niche that the purchasing group needs.
For sure. The unit identifies a need and fills the role with a specific weapon. Which everyone should already be doing, but they choose to copy a specific build from a specific unit thinking it will provide the same results.
If it’s just for funsies then have it! If not, put a little more thought into it.
Everyone’s needs, budget, and training varies so build accordingly
Precisely
Here first, couldn’t click fast enough, best spr content on the interwebs brotha cheers
Appreciate the support!
How is this channel not at 100k? Outstanding content as always.
Always love the videos with brusier! Awesome piece! thank you
Great video! I like to build to fit specific needs such as DMR/308 for anything over 300, a 555 with a ACOG for up to 300 and a 10.3-11.5 with a red dot for 100 and in. I also have a backup SMG (semiauto) as a get home gun. If I was to only have one I would run a 16 inch 556 red dot magnifier combo since it is highly versatile.
This video described the Wife and I to a T. I bought an NF ATACR 1-8 but our range only supports 100yds. I have shot red dot on our range and I know its enough but we're forced to sit at a bench and only shoot 5 rounds per magazine and 3-5 seconds in between rounds. But we didn't care, cause we're getting older now and our eyes are not as good as they were. I know I have over killed it, but it will still be fun shooting a target we can zoom in on.
I don't get the stupid range rules like one round per second no drawing from the holster etc etc I feel your pain
@@tylerb556 yeah it sucks I have a couple local ranges here in Colorado and I refuse to go to them because I can just go out to BLM land and train as a please and not have a RO watching me the whole time
That (the range) is so sad.
@@tylerb556 Yup, It's our only outdoor range, we have 2 indoor ranges but man do they charge a lot to just use it, and we're forced to either buy a membership and pay for ammo from them so its a not go for me.
@@tylerb556 Ranges have rules like that because there are plenty of stories of people doing stupid things. Most of the subscribers to this channel can probably handle drawing from a holster but as an RSO, I've seen some really scary firearms handling from beginner shooters and if they see someone else doing it, they may want to try it and either severely injure themselves or someone else in the process. Trust me, I felt the same way until I started RSO'ing and again, I've seen some really piss poor firearms handling.
I know what I WANT. Then there is what I NEED. I can buy what I want for the most part ..but if I'm honest with myself ,given my location ,my available range and my 80 percent and available time ,Im over here in red dot land with a magnifier . What I want to do is buy all that rad shit on the table and train with you dudes ! How often am I going to get to do even that? I appreciate you both and the content keeps me honest .
This right here is why we do it. Also saves you from making some of the same financial mistakes we have
@@jimmybrodriguez don't let that rational statement above fool you. Im an average shooter and I own a Chambers custom pistol .cuz...reasons.
Another great video gentlemen!!!
🤘🏼more coming
@@jimmybrodriguez good 👍🏻
Keep the SPR content coming 🔥🔥🔥🗿
This channel is the new GT
Great Work & Knowledge Joe!
This video is awesome and the education needs to be spread!!! Some folks just don’t get it though.
Great video, all the videos in this series made me reconsider my LR-308 when I practice at a 50 yard range most of the time with a red dot 16 inch 5.56
What scope did you put on the LR308? Just got my lower in to build my AR10 and only shoot at 100/50 yard range. Trying to figure out the best optic
Built a Mk12 Mod H -ish. Was actually surprised that while not light, it’s not as heavy as I expected.
But long story short, have the first acquisition for the 80% that you have. Then you can add other configurations later (assuming state law doesn’t change)
100% it’s about defining your purpose and building the rifle accordingly and then testing to verify the rifle works well in that scenario. The problem is a HUGE amount of internet banter is from people that either don’t shoot or just want to show pictures of their groups 🍻 😂
Awesome comment
Different environments = different tools🤷🏼♂️... As a combination btw both I use the Springfield Hellion VHS 2 with a magnifier & red dot fmr.🪂⚕️🕵️♂️🏴☠️🤘
Novice here with long range or anything far, but I’ve always wondered why the levels were important and that 10 inches of shift because of a degree was mind blowing and such a “that make total sense” moment so thanks for the information
Flip side perspective: if your regular max distance is 300yds or less, I'd wager your human eye and basic calibration (ground below me, sky above me, trees grow perpendicular to ground) can tell you whether your rifle is canted mildly. Out at 500, 600 + the little deviation becomes bigger and you may not perceive the tilt in your reticle.
I think the longest shot taken by an LE sniper was something like 90yds. My patrol rifle is an 11.5 with a dot. I keep a qd magnifier in my fupa pouch.
same here, 11.5 with T2 & EOTech magnifier. RC2 suppressor
Tacoma officer just took a 183 yard shot less than a year ago. It was all over the news..
560ish is the longest Leo shot
This was a great video , I know now that I need a long rang dmr , that I can kick doors in , like a shorty with a red dot, that can hit bud light cans at 1000yards.
Why would you take a canted reflex sight out to 500 yards when you have a magnified optic on top? Why would that matter?
An option was missed. Prism with canted red dot. Light weight now + plenty of options + rugged. In many ways, it can be cheaper too.
I think you misunderstood what he was saying
@@jimmybrodriguez sorry if I did.
For optics, my latest kick is LPVO/MPVO with a red dot at 12 or 1 o'clock. The LPVO/MPVO is mounted low (1.5" mounts) so I can get a good cheek weld for distance and the red dot is usually positioned close to the height that the Unity FAST mount provides where I use a more heads up, chin weld.
Joe loves MPVOs, maybe he’ll chime in on his favorite
@@jimmybrodriguez As someone who really likes the Leupold MK5 3.5-18, I would be interested if there's a perspective on their new 2-10
@@chuck5056 would not get one until they release it with a Christmas tree reticle
@@chuck5056c does has a new, very thorough review on it. Like the other commenter said, I feel like they are still behind on reticle choices.
@@jayellgee leupold is always about 3 years behind on reticles. Pretty lame when 1-8s and 1-10s have better reticles than leupolds 2k 2-10
Facts. Folks want the immediate "what" without putting in the leg work for the "why", and often end up with the wrong "what" for their application.
Also, frfr on being intellectually honest about your decisions. If you wanna clone something, cool. Just be honest about it instead of trying to justify paying excess for outdated tech. 😂
I have 2 main rigs for 556 / 223W.
One is my actual go too which is 13.9 with EXPS3 paired with G43 3x . My other rig is 14.5 223W paired with 1-10× .
Centurion MIDWEIGHT HF and BA Hanson Premium Black Series are my favorite barrels.
I used to think I needed my MK18 ( MK / MARK is USN term by the way) to do CQB or shooting in confined spaces. Now that I have 100x better skills I'd personally wouldnt go any shorter than 13.7 . My main rig us 13.9 with YHM Turbo K . This setup does not slow me down at all in confined spaces .
Ballistic Advantage 556n Hanson and 223W Hanson Premium Black Series Barrels are IMO the best bang for your buck . For all you cloners out there if you dont wanna spend 400+ on TDP Douglas MK12 Barrel. BA has 223W TACTICAL Gov/ MK12 Mod H Profile Barrel . I have real deal MK12 and I've seen 0 diffrence in accuracy using MK262 or 69g TMK. The difference between 0.50" groups and 0.75" groups doesnt justify spending 300+ bucks more on a barrel . I've tried everything from Proof to Criterion . BA Premium Black Series Barrels is the best bang for your buck when it comes to accuracy . BA Hanson and Centurion are the only barrels I'll be using for the time being . It took 15 years for me to finally get away from my Colt M4A1 Block II. I'll always love my Block II but it's not my main rig anymore .
In 2006 they were running the Insight WMX . That light sucked balls and cost your first born if you wanted one for a clone .
Nailed it again
My problem with a magnifier out to 2-400 yards is that it becomes very difficult to see what ur target is adding in affect of concealment or cover as well as camo it makes it nearly impossible to see even with a magnifier I run a lpvo 1.5-4x with a red dot on the 12 o clock mount
Excellent video, thank you very much.
Everyone should watch this
Build for your probabilities, not every possibility!
I say get what you want and train with it. If you can only afford iron sights, then make the best of it! Just train with what you have
So…basically a 13.7”-20” Scoped upper and a shorter 10.5”-12.5” suppressed with red dot, possibly a magnifier.
Then a good lower should cover most bases.
How is that ACRO mounted in the 12 position? What mount? Specifically that mates to the ultramount.
Koeng Mount
Great stuff. Thanks.
This is a basic primary self defense rifle for the common civilian under all basic considerations.
Caliber commonality should be the first criteria to consider as well as weigh of said ammo and it's effectiveness on the most likely targets, so 5.56 for a rifle and 9mm for a hand gun. For long term EOTWAWKI, the 22LR is an impressive consideration for the weight factor for a secondary gun like a Ruger 10-22.
Self defense is a primary concern so more ammo in the gun is better than less (because even though a pro can do more with fewer bullets than the inexperienced, most watching this video are inexperienced), and ease of operation so the semiautomatic makes the list. Most will not have to deal with shooting 100 yards much less further so a high powered scope is unlikely to be needed and that make Iron sights the simple and reliable choice, perhaps adding a laser or red dot as well.
That leaves something like an AR-15 or a Ruger Mini14 with a 16" to 18" barrel with either a laser or red dot and iron sights for when the batteries are dead.
My first build was a 1-7 twist 16" AR-15 lightweight polymer lower build with military style carry handle/sights, triangle hand guard with a collapsible stock ambi charging handle and is stupid light even with the standard 30 round magazine in the gun and cost about $500.
The second is a 1-8 twist 20" AR-15 heavyweight barrel with a welded steel lower build with a Simmons 8 point 9x50 scope, ambi charging handle and a 13" free float hand guard and BUIS and a fixed M-16 military style stock and it cost $679.08
You can get a CMMG 22 LR conversion kit for your 5.56 AR15. If you are worried about an end of the world build for when the batteries run out, then maybe a LPVO or a prism optic with an etched reticle instead of a red dot. If you pick your reticle right, you don't need batteries to shoot in the daytime with an etched reticle anyway.
Thank you for this video.
Joe is a wealth of first-hand experience knowledge. Wish I could train with him.
Yes he is, get out to a class, there’s a ton we couldn’t cover on video
Another banger vid!!!
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as a dirty civilian that started out at the age of 4 just wanting to hip shoot cans off the fence post ive grown up wanting all the guns and need to know the optimal rifle set up for every situation
Shit now I gotta scrap my 12.3859 hybrid Mk18.2 recce sniper DMR build, GREAT 🙄
We are diminished
What were the barrel lengths of the three guns you were presenting?
Great tips. 👍🏽
Bruiser is the fuckin man, awesome info
According to folklore he’s also half bear half seal
I'm a strong believer in training on the fundamentals with your tool first grips, stance movement finding what is most comfortable for you then building around that with any attachments you add grips, sights, lights and pressure switch as far as length and caliber most people forget in a true SHTF situation most of the danger and engagements you will face will happen within a hundred yards or less unless you have a compound you are defending guarded by multiple people you are not going to be dealing with and engaging threats from hundreds of yards away you will be better off avoiding those threats and attempting to move undetected unless you are just a murderer looking to hunt people a PDW with knock down power out to 300 yards should be enough and easier to move with hide with if needed more than that will be for hunting food people buy gear and build their tools like they are going to invade Vietnam 😂😂😂
I really like running a red dot but i think higher magnification (+6?) Is needed for PID. I plan on testing PID out to 300 yards one of these days.
Real question, what is a good thing to use for witness marks?
I had used nail polish.
Thanks in advance.
Oil based paint markers. You can get some sharpie ones or even some forney paint pens
Nice Tudor
I somewhat agree but the cost of the setup you have is way up there (7k or more)...for most guys and gals out the 556 is going to be the only attainable option
"Recce" is just a new name for a "scout rifle" but there can't be only one, just one that your willing to accept risk for. I love the constant banter almost as much as I hate it. You need a few tools in your toolbox if you're a mechanic so to speak.
Nobody defies physics and ft/lbs or shot placement either.
I have a 16 inch DD I need a bipod for. Anyone have recommendations? Thanks
Video dropping on this Thursday
People don’t want to have buyers remorse and so they seek out people who can tell them what to get. However, you really need that personal experience to really be able to know what works for you.
Is this a Noveske Lower or SONS?
Didn't want to be that guy but what are the scope caps on the 1-10? pretty sweet setup
I believe they are ONE HUNDRED CONCEPTS scope caps
Any chance you could cover suppressors? The pros and cons of the full sized can vs the mini. What are you giving up with the shorter can? Is there a difference in back pressure? On 14.5 and longer barrels do you get similar performance with the mini vs full sized RC2 on short barrels? Your content is great. Love your channel. Thank you.
What cerakote color is that
I'd be curious what you and Joe like to use for a red dot zero with the Unity mount!
100y
Much appreciated!
Samesies
@@bruiserindustriesllcyou can see your shots at 100yards with a t-2?
That was a damn good video.
Red dot is usually the answer to most peoples questions but with all those unity mounts and magnifier combo kits, they’re just as expensive as an lpvo
Excellent content here gents. I echo everyone else. "I just want to be your friend." LOL. Ill take one of each setup and call it a day.
Gold! 🤙🏿
Hey, I'm a member of that range!
Really wish i could send you some pics of my setup. As a complete civilian, would be really curious to hear your honest and professional opinion. If possible, let me know and thank you
I feel like i have a very practical rig. But again would love to hear your feedback
If people within this community would stop expecting others to quantify "why" they built something the way they did, you would probably get pestered less about "what should I build" and people will just start making their own decisions and build what they want.
Rural/suburbs 16inch woa spr, mk5 hd 3.6-18 in a reptilia aus, dpp at 35deg, sling, atlas, ace stock done…
Joe can you do a video on witness marks? I feel a lot of people don’t do it especially on red dots. I’ve also seen some people have two witness marks so they know their shifts from training 55gr to say 77 train.
My CQB gun is 10.5 solely bc my can is another 5.5” didn’t feel like doing cqb classes with a 21.5” barrel 🤣
Good video. What a nice range looks sick!
Folks that need to ask what to get do not yet have enough knowledge about what they’re going to do with the rifle. For all of them the rifle to get is a rack grade FN15A4. It will do everything and do it well. From US Service Rifle Competition to deer hunting.
Good video
These videos will always have do’s and don’ts. Also things that are common practice but they do not do. Because, they don’t agree with it for whatever reason. It’s like the guy in the spr video says. It boils down to all the fundamentals. Once you get that down then tweak it to your style/ ability. They give you the formula how you get the results up to you. Most people just don’t even sit behind the optic and just breathe. Don’t shoot, but just breathe, You can see when it sits at rest, how it moves when breathing. Hell just practice lining up the target before the shot.
Can you hit 600 with a 12.5? Of course, your hold is going to be ridiculous but you can do it. You should really be running 16"+.
Can you clear rooms with a 20"? Yes, that was mentioned in the video.
The 80% rule is your go to/SHTF/end of the world rifle. There's no reason not to have purpose built rifles for the other 20% though; they're fun and this is America.
Why was Joe adjusting his shirt every 1min-interval? Is he worried he's printing, or what?
Nervous tick? Who knows
@@bruiserindustriesllc That's a good guess, as I didn't detect any concealed firearm.
He’s that good at concealing
DMR is a support role, SPR is a direct engagement with broader range capability, assaulter to 800 yards, with less weight consideration. Recce is weight focused SPR typically dropping the heavy barrel and support consideration. (by support i mean high volume of fire)
Great video
Bruiser awesome dude
I got handful of guys I ask for advice and if the majority are saying the same thing I tend to go that route
Hoping it was just a slip of the tongue, but for god’s sake, don’t red lock-tight you optics’ mount screws…. Blue is the droid you are looking for
He meant blue, but was looking at the red paint pen I have for witness marks on my carbine in his hand.
I see no reason to jump all the way to red loctite for mounting a red dot.
I'll repost what I did on another comment about this:
for things you don't want to come off like a scope base, red dot into a mount, sling attachment point etc it can be beneficial. Considering crane did it for scope bases of the mk13 to the action itself to help bed the pic rail to the receiver. They also red locktite aim points to their mounts for mil use but if you swap mounts constantly then blue can work. I don't locktite scope rings as it can change torque settings in something that is very torque sensitive like a scope.
Get some.
Truth.
The “cloners” gonna be big mad
I call that game “What if it to death”.
You can tell how much Joe knows, him trying to catch his words means his brain is running a million miles an hour.
well this is true
What rail is on the scoped carbine?
Wedge lock
So many personal preferences purported as facts in this vid.
I love that a RUclipsr thinks he is more then the average civilian as I’m watching this the way he talks makes it seem like he thinks he’s better and he’s been building clones his whole year career but now says you can’t and you shouldn’t be building guns like the military if ur not in the military but yet he never served in the military and he’s doing it
I think you missed what we were talking about. Also, I have never built nor owned a clone.
What in the world are you talking about?
@@jimmybrodriguez you stated “ you and I both had a conversation offline that civilians should stop using verbiage that the military uses and don’t mimic what they are doing and focus on and maybe focus on doing a red dot gun and not a scoped carbine gun and then go into staring and sounded like only “YOU” know what the capabilities are of each gun depending on the barrel lengths
@@bruiserindustriesllc his introductory speech is what I’m talking about ☝️
Never said not to do a scoped carbine. I think you missed the point of what we’re talking about. We were saying it would be better for civilians to develop their own setups based on their own needs because civilian needs, budget, and training availability are vastly different than that of the the US military. I said that the biggest determining factor of setups are the optics i.e. red dot vs LPVO, which is why Joe goes in depth about the simplicity of the red dot setup vs the additional accessories added when using a scope. At no point did I say capabilities were based off barrel length, I actually stated the opposite when I said we can do cqb with long guns and extended distance with short guns.
No way this man @6:10 just just use red lock tite 🤣 I was just gonna listen to a good conversation but after that, idk if I canlisten to that man talk. NEVER PUT RED LOCK TITE ON A WEAPON EVER!
lol to each their own my friend. for things you don't want to come off like a scope base, red dot into a mount, sling attachment point etc it can be beneficial. Considering crane did it for scope bases of the mk13 to the action itself to help bed the pic rail to the receiver. They also red locktite aim points to their mounts for mil use but if you swap mounts constantly then blue can work. I don't locktite scope rings as it can change torque settings in something that is very torque sensitive like a scope.
@@bruiserindustriesllc well hey, it’s a free country brotha!! Just saying, when I did my time in service, they never used red locktite because things just broke with hard use. We used a sh&@ ton of blue locktite on each screw tho. Even with my M110 clone build I had for about 3 years with hard use I never experienced any of my screws coming out of my weapon.
No one shoots passively with NODs. Ever.
I’ll tell Socom that
@@bruiserindustries hey real quick- how many people have you personally engaged with a pistol or carbine(not an spr or sass or bolt gun with a clip on nod or thermal) passively? I’ll go ahead and answer for you- zero.
@@user-yj7ph9vk2k RUclips comments isn’t the VFW where you can tell stories nobody cares about and get a beer bought for ya. Been a few places and done a couple things and no passive aiming wasn’t a thing when I was still active but yes it sure as fuck is now. Enjoy your day and have a merry Christmas.
@@bruiserindustries that’s exactly what I thought. A lead in insult followed by a confirmation of my statement. Neither you, nor anyone you know, has ever aimed passively while engaging another person, but now it’s imperative that we do so and train to it because our enemies have NV capabilities. Newsflash- even when your enemy has nods, you’re going to use the illuminator. It’s that much faster and allows for positive identification. And then there’s this thing called shooting while moving. Grow up, Peter Pan. Count Chocula. Stop making stuff up for the sake of content under an idea or fantasy that hasn’t played out yet- so no one really knows how it will go down. I’m glad my original comment still rings true.
if one is wondering damneck is another name for seal team six
What the Buffalo doin? 😂
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