Netflix's BIG Change, The Disney Showdown & Bad Political Ads: Why They Work!
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- There is a battle happening at the heart of Disney, who are the major players and when will it end? Do the top 3 shows currently on Netflix in the UK signpost a new direction for the streaming giant? And why terrible political adverts are actually extremely effective.
Settle in for the latest dose of The Rest Is Entertainment with Richard Osman and Marina Hyde.
00:00 - Netflix's Biggest Hits...
14:15 - Awful Tory Ads...
23:29 - Disney Succession Battle
34:35 - This week’s recommendations
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Really enjoy the content on the channel but could we maybe avoid the politics next time?
Where’s the intro? It’s not the same without the intro.
@@gd_5526 Quite a few of the RUclips community said they liked going straight in to the content! We listen to your feedback :)
Wow I’m shocked at that! I loved the intro. Thank you for your reply, I guess majority rules but I shall miss it.
I do enjoy the podcast and I don’t mind you having political opinions however I fear they distorted your perception of reality in this episode.
I have no idea if Peltz is as described… However what is clearly true is that a substantial park of America is on “the other side” of the culture war debate and is annoyed with Disney.
From a business perspective it is irrelevant where your personal morals and beliefs lie. What is true is that a substantial part of both US and European culture is far more conservative than the two hosts of this podcast and don’t like the current Disney output.
My own perspective is that the recent Disney output is mixed. Some I really enjoyed but others I thought was formulaic and poor.
I don’t care about whether a StarWars character is female or black. I do care if the storyline is crap. What is irritating is when some Disney exec blames contents poor showing on the audience and claims that lack of support is sexist or racist. The alternative view is that their content is boring, predictable and that they appear to care more about virtue signalling and making political/cultural points than telling a good story. (That’s why I cancelled by annual Disney Plus subscription.)
It is also disingenuous to say they are bringing franchises like Marvel and StarWars into the 21st century when these franchises already had key black and female characters back in the 20th century despite hailing from mostly white cultures and the target audience being mostly male.
If I could be so bold as to suggest that perhaps if Disney spent less time trying to tell us how progressive they were by race swapping characters from European fairy tails (clearly just to annoy US republicans) and more time telling African, Asian, South American and Middle Eastern original stories then we might have some original and interesting content that resonated with a global audience.
The problem isn’t that Disney is trying to create ‘Global’ content. It’s that it is doing so from a US “culture war” perspective that makes their recent content largely benign crap.
You may be right that Peltz isn’t the answer. But he isn’t wrong that Disney has a real problem.
PS If you didn’t notice, the bit of the Disney empire that is driving growth is the parks and that is almost entirely growth leveraging the growth in the US economy to put up prices and squeeze customers. (Never a good long term strategy.)
I stopped watching Netflix when I realized no series I liked would ever get a satisfying ending. It seems that once I liked it, it was done, no new seasons.
As netflix you don't want satisfying endings to your shows, you don't want people to say, so that's that, time to move on.
I've got to the point where I wait until a series ends before deciding whether to watch, exactly for the reason you mentioned. I'm not investing my time into something that has been abruptly ended by money men
It's interesting you say that netflix is now "the viewers channel", because I cancelled it because shows I enjoyed were constantly cancelled after 1 or 2 seasons and it became annoying as hell to get into something only to see it cancelled. It also felt like more and more high quality content was being replaced by low-grade reality stuff. It became the opposite of what it promised. That, along with the price rises, and the password clampdown made me bin it.
Netflix's non-English language content is just as if not more important than its English Language content; Squid Game, Money Heist & its spin-offs, Lupin, All of Us Are Dead, Who Killed Sara?, Troll & its upcoming sequel, Society of the Snow, The Platform, Physical 100 & many more!
I heard that Netflix is responsible for a vast increase in people becoming willing to watch subtitled works. It also dubs virtually all content into multiple languages very artfully.
Lupin is great
I've scarcely watched Netflix since the end of Lupin S3.
Perfect. Access to international content is really great.
No way! The gentlemen was brilliant. Theo was so good.
Getting "Cleaning Up" for peanuts and having it become a hit illustrates the real point of the streaming wars. The fewer popular streaming outlets there are, the more power the winners have to dictate terms to the people who provide the content.
Incidentally, these discussions are forgetting the elephants in the room: currently in the UK, video-sharing streamers like RUclips and TikTok have a larger share of viewing than subscription streamers like Netflix and Disney+.
Still have affection for Love Film.
I'm so glad I found Marina. I started to think I was going mad with what people think is good tv, movies etc. I wish we could rant about terrible tv shoes and movies together haha
I WAS HERE before The Rest Is Entertainment went to Spotify for £250m
Shilling a podcast is the new crypto
I’m really shocked three body problem isn’t doing that good! Just finished it and thought it was amazing!
It might be in the _Mad Men_ zone: tremendously well respected but only watched by the cognoscenti.
That breaks my heart. We will never see the sequel The Dark Forest filmed. It’s so amazing and people are so dumb!
Love the pod. Last week Marina raved about and highly recommended a book called Caledonian Road which I then bought. On the basis of this experience, I think I'm going to absolutely love The Gentlemen on Netflix 😊
This is now my favourite podcast.
Oh, damn it! Marina's view of _The Gentlemen_ was so viscerally negative that I'm going to have to watch the damn thing, just to give the snark some context!
It really is terrible. That said, I had to finish it, so maybe it wasn’t(?).
I don’t know anymore - give it a go, you’re the only judge who matters.
I got through about 3/4 of the first episode and another shoe horned in twist got me thinking how many more episodes full of “twists” are there to go and gave up. There’s swearing and philosophising gangster types. Nothing new to see here
@@maxine2798 I thought your “see here” at the end said “see more” and it took me too many taps you realise I was wrong! 😂😂
Yeah, I stuck with hit hoping something would come if it all but no, it was terrible until the very end. I don’t think Guy Ritchie actually knows how to do a “twist” at all to be honest. Even his best films, which were his first two (Lock, Stock & 2 Smoking Barrels and Snatch), and birthed if those are great. I think Lock Stock is the best thing he’s done because although he’s trying hard to be clever, he kind of fails but at the same time and as a result, he stumbles into a bit of subtlety. Snatch is where he found his formula and he’s stuck with the same one for everything after that. So the story is going from A to B to C. With C being the end with our protagonists in trouble. As you’re watching though, he’ll show a thirty second scene of something at B. It’ll mean nothing at that point, and you see is likely something that will really stress that the story is going to C. Then C happens, and it not what was expected, it something out of the blue, the narrator starts talking, “the thing about the pikeys [who or whatever the secondary bad-guys are] is that they don’t line losing…” and then you’ll see part B again, but what really happened, which then leaves us at part D, which is where the main bad guys lose, the secondary bad guys win, which leaves our protagonist either winning or not losing. If it’s the latter, you then see them winning unexpectedly in the last scene because they remember something stupid.
From Snatch to The Gentleman that’s what he does (maybe not Revolver but I don’t think anyone knows what happened in that film.
That’s not a twist to me. It’s little more than a cheap misdirect because the writer didn’t know what else to do. Ritchie’s Sherlock Holmes films did the exact same thing. It’s just isn’t a twist (nor is a good guy saying towards the end, “ta-dah! I’m a secret bad guy” which is what a lot of film-makers try (Mr Zack Snyder being the worst offender on that one).
A proper twist is something you’ve actually being watching all the time without realising. Something that makes you question the whole film you’ve just watched. Then on second viewing it is so obvious because they literally told you at the beginning that it was going to happen. Take The Usual Suspects as an example. The twist there makes you actually wonder if ANYTHING in the movie actually happened, or if it was all just a story of a man playing for time. Whether you like that movie or not (I obviously do), it’s the perfect way to write a twist.
Ritchie’s need to have a least one twist per episode is just mind-bogglingly stupid. Unfortunately for him, and us as these things keep being hands, Ritchie doesn’t know how to do anything else - it’s literally all he’s got.
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Yourah fackin clevah bstard. And I don’t like clevah b’stards etc. at least I got a “twist” in quotes. I got to the brother having removed something from the safe. As you say, not a twist, more of his way of telling the story. Over 90mins I can deal with it. It’s the relentless number of episodes that broke me.
A bit like the unimaginative 12” dance remix when every 8 bars some random new element appears as relatively uncreative types maximise the track length with minimum ideas.
It's fine. Not everything needs to be a thought provoking blockbuster
Its interesting that The Three Body Problem is not doing as well as expected on Netflix, because apparently three platforms are making their own adaptations of the books. ( I think it was Adam Savage who mentioned this on his RUclips channel).
I LOVE this podcast! ❤
Love from Denmark
‘Science is broken’ does make sense within the context of the book/show
I mean, it is science fiction. It makes sense that it will contain some fictional science.
And if aliens started messing with the fundamental behaviour of matter, scientists would be quite bewildered.
Yup, her sneering knee jerk reactions are utterly stupid if you're not going to actually watch the show. 3 Body Problem was superb. It had better have done well enough for a second series (NOT season, we aren't USA'ers)
@@hazy33 I quite liked _3 Body Problem_ although I wasn't keen on the inconsistent capabilities of the alien technology. And it seemed to suddenly end halfway through a story arc.
@@andybrice2711 I haven't read the books but there is at least 2 of them so maybe it stopped after the first, however frustrating that is.
@@hazy33 Apparently the series stops about halfway through the second book. Hence the inconclusive ending. Which seems like an odd choice. Maybe it had something to do with the strikes.
I've noticed some British shows go under the radar, then suddenly take off when they're picked up by an American streaming service which funds a big advertising campaign. For example, Peaky Blinders.
Yeah, there aren’t enough people in the country to have a worldwide hit for a show that has only been released in the UK & Ireland.
Are best shows are reliant on an American audience connecting with it. Possibly and Australian and New Zealand audience picking it up, but the US, and then Canada, is where the viewers are that can make our shows a smash.
Cleaning Up is actually a remake of a Peggy Mount comedy film from the 60s. Korean TV made a remake of Cleaning Up in 2022. That's another feature starting to appear on Netflix, the same successful drama concept(Money Heist) remade in multiple territories, each adding a unique flavour, so we have a Spanish, Korean and a English language version yet to come. Netflix do need to increase the single episode Who dunnit offering on the platform. People don't want to watch 10hrs of TV to find out the killer when flaking out on the sofa weekday nights.
Very interesting what Marina said there about creatives and writers not having their shows renewed during/after the strikes last year. I'm curious to know, with the dust settling and writers returning to shows, what are her thoughts on the strikes last year overall? A lot of writers in the US have said work has dried up since.
Cleaning up isn't on Australian Netflix... typical 😢
My Netflix viewership has dropped by at least 75% in the last month because they removed Community here in the UK. They have no more shows that I can just put on when nothing is on. Chuck was another from years back. Then they cancel my favourite shows after one or two seasons.
If I didn’t get it free with Sky I would cancel my subscription.
I thought Community is on ITVX?
_"He's got nothing to say about absolutely anything, Guy Ritchie."_ I'm not sure that's entirely fair. _The Covenant_ was quite a moving and important story.
Is it just me or did this podcast start half way through a conversation?
Good lord. Did Netflix run over the cohosts dog? Such shade.
“3 Body Problem” is amazing. It’s a damn shame people would just rather watch utter crap.
FYI, the latest thing patented is a hdmi cable that will know when you pause your own media and give you adverts. Yes, you watching a dvd on your television. You pause it, and you get adverts.
Marina is a right misery this week. I’m getting serious hangover vibes from her.
Hungover and still turns up to work. Fair enough😊
Not really a job is it probably started paying tax 😂
Feels like Netflix recently acquired a whole bundle of ITV stuff - I suddenly had Cleaning Up, Fat Friends, and the sitcoms The Job Lot + Benidorm all recommended to me in the last couple of weeks. The Job Lot and Fat Friends both hit the top 10 recently too. So nostalgic viewing has been a good thing for streamers, Iplayer and ITVX have bolstered their back catalogues in the last year or so, and Channel 4 have had theirs on VOD for a good while. Feels like a side effect of viewing habits in COVID, but then UK Gold etc have done well for years!
Knowing how cheap old shows can be to snap up makes me want to make a crowd funded TV channel lol
It's pretty close to the business model of Talking Pictures TV, run from a garden shed near Watford.
I love that channel. Rarely end up watching, but I check out what's on daily - gems show up there regularly
I got married in Derwent Pencil Museum. I often wonder what happened to her. I'd never really thought about the comic sans Tory ad. Maybe it was supposed to be an ironic or postmodern joke. The so bad it's good trope which in some cases really needs to be put to bed. I see it in music a lot. One of my bugbears is the reinvention of Tom Jones. I'm old enough to remember him as a Las Vegas cheesemonger in the mid 70's, extremely cabaret, on a par with Englebert. Then he gets a hit with his atrocious version of Kiss with those smug gits Art Of Noise. All the subtleness and light funkiness of Prince's orginal bludgeoned with Tom bellowing the lyrics like a wounded buffalo. You can also see it in the rehabilitation of Abba and Queen, but admittedly there was talent behind them. It's one thing stoned students watching Plan 9 From Outer Space because 'it's so bad it's good (indeed Channel 4 ran a series called The Worst Of Hollywood years ago). But when you've got perpetual man-children like Jonathan Ross banging on about his favourite toys I feel like reaching for the revolver.
Let it go. Let it go.
I think you'll find that RUclips has the most streamed hours worldwide of any service. Astonished to find Marina Hyde is more grumpy and curmudgeonly than Richard Osman! Maybe that's the idea. I'm still watching to the end though. Eyeballs.
Its interesting that no matter how much the alithogram steals our data for targeted marketing and building an individuals digital profile, the unpredictability of what we watch and make successful still reigns in film and TV.
Disney really should have pushed Andor harder, it is so good. Have Richard an Marina watched it?
3 Body Problem is awesome!
I'm usually with Marina in that I'm a depressed pessimist 😂 But the Guy Ritchie thing is bollocks! OF COURSE he doesn't have anything to say! He makes fun action comedy, not everyone needs to have something say. In fact, most people shouldn't be trying to say anything 🤫
Yep, you nailed this one. It's an utterly ridiculous show but that is what makes it so much fun. Suspend reality and have a bit of lighthearted fun.
He makes movies for morons
Netflix was fine while it was the only game in town, but now there are so many streaming services, with such limited content that it is cheaper to buy DVDs of the shows you want than to subscribe online for something that is only going to be available for a limited time (and censored).
I still use dvds daily.
The other streaming sites are collapsing as we speak. Wall Street is telling them to merge to survive. Everyone except Netflix are losing subscribers.
'You can presumably surmise it from the output,' might be the smuggest thing she's ever said. Guy Ritchie is posh, you know. Thanks for letting us know... daughter of Sir Alastair Edgcumbe James Dudley-Williams, 2nd Baronet.
Also, since Richard and Marina don't see any crime in London, I guess there isn't any. Good to know.
'Who would want to watch a show about marijuana dealers? Disgusting filth. Anyway, wine anyone?'
Wondering if the hosts have watched the original Three Body Chinese production at all?
The Gentleman is awesome!
Thought Marina was going to pause for longer after saying "well, sex and the city is about to come".
The gentlemen may be shlock with nothing to say, but it's a lot of fun with it.
Netflix, was of it's time....that time has gone, the amount of people that keep telling me they don't care for it anymore and are un-subscribing is amazing, hardly anybody in the UK has heard of those top 3 on Netflix.
Fun fact: Michael Eisner is the owner of Portsmouth football club
Couldn’t care less about Netflix. I'm watching old Crown Court! Btw why did the podcast start in the Netflix discussion without any introduction?
I hope Netflix buys Ally Mcbeal.
I wonder if or how the landscape would be different if Taylor Swift's Eras was a Netflix exclusive, rather than a cinematic release...
I love this podcast so much
🙏
Love your show here in the USA
Everything is awesome! 🎶
Cinema Paradiso is still the best service to see a wide range of movies, discs to your door.
The Gentlemen was a lot of fun!
BBC better not be selling series for £40k!
The problem with Netflix from a creator’s POV is they often buy up shows and unlike BBC, ITV etc don’t pay out royalties in the same way. They refuse to divulge audience figures, then base royalties on the production deal signed which could be a far cheaper buyout (or nothing at all!) for streaming in perpetuity. It’s a disruptor model that saves them millions over the streaming lifetime of a show by erasing the performers’ residual income stream. A high-end, gourmet cheeseburger of “it’ll be good exposure for you”!
Still not sure what the problem with Guy Ritchie is. Too entertaining perhaps?
Blimey marina, don't hold back 😂
For what it's worth, as someone whose primary niche is sci-fi, I thought 3-body problem was great. And "science is broken" without the context does indeed sound facile but, as you admit, you've not actually seen it so you don't have the story context that makes it make sense, which it does, in a science *fictional* way.
The gentlemen was also hilarious. Not high brow by any means but that nice kind of show that amuses you without you having to think too hard.
I think you could try to maintain a slightly more open mind in that regard 🤷🏼♀️
I loved the gentlemen.
I avoid Netflix only shows. I want shows with a start, middle and an end, but you don't get that with them. Series end with cliff hangers but the conclusions are not recommissioned. What happens next? Who knows
"it's not seven fat cows coming out of the Nile" - I adore Marina's mind...
The Tencent version, available with English subs on YT, is better than Netflix version of Three Body.
I wish Peter Kay would license his content
i've discovered that when i see there's a new upload i make an involuntary noise and perk up suddenly. i feel like i'm Marina and Richard's pavlovian dog responding to the anticipation of two mechanics taking an entertainment engine apart.
I get Richard is using Cleaning Up vs 3 Body Problem to make an overall point of buying existing content vs original content but I think there’s a bit of a flaw in the argument. As was mentioned several times Netflix is a global company, 3 Body Problem has been their Number 1 show world wide the past two weeks. Cleaning Up is number 2 in the UK only, therefore you would have to look at all territories and find a different “Cleaning Up” in each one to compare. The exception to this is probably the US so the Suits reference works.
This does not make Richard’s theory wrong. 3 body problem may not be worth the investment Netflix has made, time will tell. And Cleaning up was undoubtedly a great investment. But the comparison doesn’t quite add up for me.
Great.
Funny how disney+ managed to balls it up completely but Netflix built an empire.
Cory doctorow was spot on here
So many people out of work in the television, its hurting our industry then when they come back for more content in a few years there will half the talented film makers out there to make these show with people moving in to different career’s or worse because of this famine. The ones who are left working will be so over worked and beaten up by these budget squeezes, They will be burnt to a crisp and have no brain to work with to make cutting edge programs. I had seen a real trend towards work life balance in media for two/three years and now this has happened reversing everything we have been working had to attain. Then we have the jr’s coming through who will have not been trained fully because the budget has chopped out there middle step up roles where they have a experienced professional to help guide them for a number of years. I have not seen a jr AP or DV director job come up for months. These new big online broadcasters need to keep the cash flowing to keep the industry alive. They are cutting off their nose and spitting in their face. Peace ✌️
Marina I always agree with you on the shows you think are terrible, so I'd love for you to recommend me a few new shows to watch. Or anyone else, love true crime, loved breaking bad, need recommendations? Xx
3 Body Problem was ok but it was half a season of tv. Nothing, absolutely nothing was resolved by the end of season one. I’m not saying the whole alien invasion thing should be done, but there should’ve been some story arcs that were finished, but there were none. It wasn’t a season, it was a prologue. It was pure bait for further seasons. In one sense I hope they get season two, but in another, I hope it’s cancelled due to the showrunners hubris. Thinking they could do anything and it would be the best thing ever (it wasn’t)
I thoroughly enjoy this podcast but Marinas somewhat snobby review of the Gentlemen was daft. The Gentlemen has nothing to say - sure, but it’s fun and funny and a bit of escapism that can be watched after a hard day of work when all you want is to switch your brain off and be entertained.
As for 3 Body Problem. Science was broken and for good reason which she would have discovered if she hadn’t just watched the trailer.
Is that an air hockey table?
If so who won.
No one can resist air hockey.
Netflix would have been better giving half the budget to the Tencent people who made the Chinese version last year.
Cait Sith from Final Fantasy VII
Disney already have an internal applicant: *Scrooge McDuck!*
Wow, Marina’s view of The Gentleman seems to comes with a genuine dislike for Mr Ritchie. Not sure what’s happened there, can’t say I’ve ever disliked a TV show with so much passion, I just turn it off and forget about it. Wonder if she’s ever watched The Covenant by Mr Ritchie on Amazon. Might be just enough outside of the mainstream to keep Marina happy, unless Guy’s run over her dog or something.
the mouse will never let a fat cat be ceo. maybe a top dog
Bring back Dallas!
My goodness, the DISTAIN when she says "it's a cartoon!!" What is this hatred of animation about?
Ugh. Marina's tabloid hack worst coming out at the mention of Guy Ritchie.
Such a weird take on guy richie- can only assume she has something personal against him. The Gentlemen was a fun show.
It’s utter garbage but Tbf she’s defo in a mood ..
Well, he is an overrated prick but on the other hand i quite enjoyed The Gentlemen
Guy Richie is a cultural cancer
I think Marina looks lovely today
Some of the best shows are on Apple TV+
Netflix is slipping
I'll bet Disney's cruises books look identical to the succession books. Someone call rita skeeta and take em down.
I hate to criticise either Richard or Marina but the smug way they both agreed that London was a safe place to live really pissed me off. I’ve no doubt the areas they live, work, and socialise in are quite safe and your more likely to be accosted by somebody wielding an artisanal sourdough than a zombie knife but we don’t all live in that London. A place a vast as London means different things to different groups. Oh, I’m also one of the plebs who thought The Gentleman was a great laugh, probably my favourite thing Guy Ritchie has been involved in. Still love the podcast.
Rioting in Southall yesterday. Not reported by BBC or Guardian. Go figure 🤣
Can I just be the first to say................. Nelson Peltz my arse!
That ad company didn't win the last Australian election. There was a lot of criticism about the scare campaign the liberal party released last election. It was fairly effective though, freaked me out.
i'm surprised at the reaction to 3 body problem, dismissing it because 'science is dead' is part of the narrative. it's very clearly established in the opening scene that this is in the context of the communist red terror and purging of the academic elite, (particularly given the author is a chinese engineer who experience this as a child). i presume she hasn't watched it and is jumping to assumptions that it's some celebration of 'post-truthism' (it isn't). There's grounds for criticism of the show, but it definitely had more to think about than most of the vapid entertainment celebrated here.
The font used related to the simplicity of the adult message being conveyed to the authoritarian anti-democracy house of commons children while they were having their latest tantrum
I’ve not watched Gentlemen, don’t think I’m going to bother. I watched cleaning up when it aired on ITV so won’t be watching that again, however I did watch all episodes of three body problem over 36 hours and loved it, fingers crossed that they will do a season 2
Keep in mind that Netflix's business model is to pander to the lowest common denominator, just like any other social media/streaming company. Clicks equal dollars. Now, they might use those dollars to fund higher-minded offerings to appeal to critics, but they're still trying to farm clicks. Simpletons will click on the "Most Watched" or "Top Selections for You", and they're also the people who think that the top Google or AI-generated search response is the best answer to their question. Which is why the public is getting dumber by the day...
I wonder if she lives in north London 🙄
Tired of hearing the name Beckham in these podcasts tbh, it's starting to feel like Newsround
Out of all the Ritchie movies to make a show out-of, the gentlemen was the worst choice.
Actually, they'd all be tied for last place, wouldn't they?
I have to ask, what specifically is it that people are hating about the Gentlemen?
Good question. I enjoyed every minute of it. Sometimes I want to watch a movie/series for the pure escapism it gives me. I don’t need to be preached at by woke film makers with an agenda, and I certainly don’t need Marina belittling my choices.
Netflix churns out a lot of mediocre content. They are the opposite of “quality over quantity”.
Apple tv is now the "creators channel"
Science science, it is not broken
I find their show interesting but depressing.
Do you think Netflix is releasing fake numbers? Some of these "popular" shows are unrecognizable. Once they started producing trashy reality shows, they lost me.
The numbers are real, but out-of-context. In the UK, for example, the most popular show of any given week on Netflix will rarely make the Top 50 list of the most popular shows from all sources. This year, only _Fool Me Once,_ ideal for New Year binge-watching, has made the Top 10.
I have only ever sibscribed to Netflix to watch Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul (oh and El.Camino, and The Irishman)... cant believe people watch so much of the rubbish they have on there,
Tiger thing and Squid thing etc, and loads of "real life crime" dramas, and documentaries about the same ruddy crimes...rubbish.
Acting like Disney have been producing bangers and Peltz didn’t have a point