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Thanks so much for this video and experimentation with the Avata. Since this drone has many good qualities I am really interested in understanding what causes this poor flight behavior that causes it to crash. I can’t wait for the next video
OMG.. I was waiting for content like this for weeks now. you opend pandoras box.... 3, 2, 1... here comes content creators give a spin off your content.
Glad you mentioned the battery. I suspect the battery being top center and heavy does not allow the drones ESC to compensate and recover motor power for those turns. This could be managed through an update but would probably reduce the speed when that happens. Either way I love the drone and have a blast flying it every day. Thanks for yor testing on this.
Thanks : This test was the third step I do when reviewing almost cinewhoops. First we test : Stock setup. Second ; New propellers. Third : No prop guards. It’s always fun to see what results we get. Each cinewhoop frame, FC and power combo is different.
Great video thanks for reading our minds and letting us all see what we were wondering. I also wonder how it would fly if you modded the battery to a LiPo with a decent discharge rate. Not being able to "tune" tune the extra power boost would be annoying but the software may adjust on it's on. Or it may not liftoff . Or catch on fire. We want to see Justin!
@@dronecampsyes of course for the science! 😂 I've been building packs since the RC10 NiCad days I'd love to open the Avata pack and swap in some real horsepower. But I have no experience with dji or the battery management software and their checks. Probably just a bunch of high quality 18650s in there to be honest. I'm running a custom 2200mAh 5S pack in my emax hawk pro and I can thrash it for 11-12 mins with my motor capped at 80% so someone will make the Avata a laser beam one day
I did see one mod with a LiPo. There are 3-4 wires on the connector. Positive negative and signal for smart telemetry I believe. I bet their software would detect a third party battery. But the tester in me wants to snip that connector off and experiment.
@@dronecamps go for it man, honestly I wouldn't really be interested if someone else did it anyway lol I try to not watch too much FVP RUclips, but your TinyHawk was the final video that made me pull the FPV trigger and buy my first setup. So I only make time for like you, bardwell, and motherfuckin botgrinder 🤖 Oh and Dr Quads too, found him recently and I like what he has to say
You’re welcome. More testing without the guards. Some missed the pint of this testing. Stability is improved during maneuvers. I’ve done this before with other cinewhoops after flying terrible with prop guards. Always helps with performance.
Drill some quarter inch holes every half inch around the prop guards. Hell they are cheap enough to replace. It will lighten it up and allow for little better air flow.
Or just design a carbon fiber frame to stick the components from the avata on while your at it do the DJI fpv too. I bet custom carbon fiber frames for the DJI components would fly off the shelf. Ha Ha
Me too. I was generally curious to see how it would fly without the flight controllers really like it when we remove the guards. Years of testing these ; I expected good results. Also I mention it’s tuned with the guards. Not recommended to fly without yours. Just for aerobatic testing.
Thanks for the info,.. you were certainly ripping that thing around, waiting til the hype chills down, maybe by then DJI will have a two for one special on the Avata.
This pretty much proves people are just getting wash out of some sort in their 180 degree turns. Not really an acrobatic drone anyway since it is a cinewoop.
Yes it's not an aerobatic drone. However unlocking Manual Mode for pilots allows it to access aerobatic maneuvers. For research we wanted to test the limits. Moore No guard flights and testing to come.
I’d like to find out. More testing to follow with this little quad. Pid tuning can help. But specific to the no prop guard setup. Then different rates to prop guards on. Depends on how guys want to fly this little machine.
AM I wrong ⁉️but it seems to me like we are using the Avata incorrectly… is it made to do flips and dives or is it more for a flying low cinematic flying style. I would thing if someone wants to flip , dive and freestyle racing… get a 5 inch racing freestyle FPV drone….. I wouldn’t bring my Kia to the racetrack 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️.
We know this. Tested for research purposes : Mainly because yes people are using Avata in manual mode to flip, roll, and dive. People are having issues with tumble and crash in all modes. The point of this video is to test the FC to get data on the tumble effect with guards and without. People will always push the limits. Hell look at a Honda Civic. 🤣🤣🤣 We know what Avata is made for. ☝🏻🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
The million dollar question is, should there even be a fix fir this. Given its a whoop and NOT a fpv racer. Seems quite a bit of the issue here is flying a mini van, expecting it to handle like a lotus.
hi thanks for both your video about avata and tumbling. you were absolutely clear about the reason why tumbles happen (props guard low power and weight distribution), but do you think that dji could fix (or at leat limit)this behaviour with some firmware upgrade?
This prop guard does seem to be way over-(badly)engineered. I can see alot of room for weight reduction whilst still doing its job (seems like a good opportunity for after market products made of carbon fiber and plastic designs with less material assuming it is possible without the need of re-tuning the ESCs and flight computer)
dji repair verdict: the pilot pushed the Roll stick to the right, pushed the Yaw stick right, the aircraft turned to the right direction in 14m/s horizontal speed which caused unstable attitude, then the aircraft crashed with obstacles. Flight conclusion：The incident was caused by misoperation. Therefore, it is concluded to customer responsibility.
You soooooo read my mind!.... But I guess this is for those who simply do not care about the cost factor or couldn't be bothered to question what they are being sold.
Or if you just want to fly slow. This quad really is the most precise quad I’ve ever flown. That’s the huge point of it. And I love it for that. But flipping or yaw flipping it is asking Dji for a repair. 🤣🤣🤣☝🏻 They should reconsider Manual Mode. ☑️🥸🥸🥸
Not really, you need to remember your have to include a GoPro in your cost. The Avata costs $640 with a battery, so approx $500 for the drone... A GoPro Hero 11 runs $500 or an Action 2 or 3 runs about $300. There's no way you're building a GPS capable, long range, 15-20 minute, vertical hold, 1/2" fpv camera, 1080p live feed, etc cinewhoop for $0-200... Hahaha!
it is tuned with the guards. non fpv people might not understand this and remove the guards anyway lol. say goodbye to yer esc, hopefully not while you're flying above a crowd
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loving these "testing" videos - keep up the good work!! DJI is listening and watching you
I drilled small holes all of the way around my prop guards and I guess it works. No tumbling for me. 🤙🏿
Interesting concept! Thank you for sharing !
Wait,can you share the idea on facebook or youtube somehow?thanks
Did you fill them vertically or horizontally and what parts
Love the content and teaching everyone something! I hope new thinner propguards are to come! Thanks for sacrificing your drone for our purposes.
Now someone needs to make some accessoires to hold the antennas save while flying without prop guards. Nice test, thanks 👍🏻
This is awesome! Digging your content on DJI Avata. You are somehow pushing it to its limit and I like it. As a cinewhoop fpv, it's remarkable!
For what it is. I still like it. Especially like modding it. I do like this funny animal
Very interesting. Just seeing it without the prop guards, tiny motors and huge battery says it all really..... No wonder their having issues.
It’s a huge battery. And CG is ultra weird. I also think the quad could use 3” props and a larger wheelbase. It would fly better and more stable.
@@dronecamps Agreed. Too small, too underpowered, too heavy.
Very!
You are doing actually dji has to do bro. Good job. Now pls design new prop guards for avata and sell it to dji😁
Narrow Dual layer Carbon props would reaalllly help this machine.
Thanks so much for this video and experimentation with the Avata. Since this drone has many good qualities I am really interested in understanding what causes this poor flight behavior that causes it to crash. I can’t wait for the next video
You’re welcome. We are dedicated to testing all aspects of this awesome drone.
Thank You for MORE THAN AN OPINION !!!!!
You are super welcome.
Now it's an upside-down Spark with 4k & Acro.
Spark is bigger. This drone has a super small wheelbase.
Awesome man, that made a world of difference.
Great video as always from the drone champ. Thanks for all you do and keeping it real. Never change
OMG 😮
OMG.. I was waiting for content like this for weeks now. you opend pandoras box.... 3, 2, 1... here comes content creators give a spin off your content.
3…2…1… 😆😆😆
If not the avata which drone would you recommend instead?
@@thomasbrydon7257 build one yourself
Glad you mentioned the battery. I suspect the battery being top center and heavy does not allow the drones ESC to compensate and recover motor power for those turns. This could be managed through an update but would probably reduce the speed when that happens. Either way I love the drone and have a blast flying it every day. Thanks for yor testing on this.
ESC does what the PID loop says.
Cool video. I like how you found something original to create about the Avata.
Thanks :
This test was the third step I do when reviewing almost cinewhoops.
First we test : Stock setup.
Second ; New propellers.
Third : No prop guards.
It’s always fun to see what results we get. Each cinewhoop frame, FC and power combo is different.
Great video thanks for reading our minds and letting us all see what we were wondering.
I also wonder how it would fly if you modded the battery to a LiPo with a decent discharge rate. Not being able to "tune" tune the extra power boost would be annoying but the software may adjust on it's on. Or it may not liftoff . Or catch on fire.
We want to see Justin!
Ha man. I want to mod to a lion so bad… but unfortunately I am not a paid or sponsored Dji channel.
Maybe in the name of aviation science?!!!! 😜😜😜😜😜
@@dronecampsyes of course for the science! 😂
I've been building packs since the RC10 NiCad days I'd love to open the Avata pack and swap in some real horsepower. But I have no experience with dji or the battery management software and their checks. Probably just a bunch of high quality 18650s in there to be honest.
I'm running a custom 2200mAh 5S pack in my emax hawk pro and I can thrash it for 11-12 mins with my motor capped at 80% so someone will make the Avata a laser beam one day
I did see one mod with a LiPo. There are 3-4 wires on the connector. Positive negative and signal for smart telemetry I believe. I bet their software would detect a third party battery.
But the tester in me wants to snip that connector off and experiment.
@@dronecamps go for it man, honestly I wouldn't really be interested if someone else did it anyway lol
I try to not watch too much FVP RUclips, but your TinyHawk was the final video that made me pull the FPV trigger and buy my first setup. So I only make time for like you, bardwell, and motherfuckin botgrinder 🤖
Oh and Dr Quads too, found him recently and I like what he has to say
Can you make a video on how you removed the prop guards? I know dji sells them separately so I assume it’s should be doable at home
Ok
nice to hear this, thank you so much
Thanks for doing this, I’ve always wonder how it will fly without the guards.
You’re welcome. More testing without the guards. Some missed the pint of this testing. Stability is improved during maneuvers.
I’ve done this before with other cinewhoops after flying terrible with prop guards. Always helps with performance.
Thanks! Good news is, it's easier to customize the Avata so let's see how users will play around with its design
Drill some quarter inch holes every half inch around the prop guards. Hell they are cheap enough to replace. It will lighten it up and allow for little better air flow.
Great idea!
Try a power loop or split S
I was thinking power loop today. 😝
Im curious to see this with the MAS 4 blade props
thanks for posting and keep 'em coming!
More positive vibes and testing coming up.
Or just design a carbon fiber frame to stick the components from the avata on while your at it do the DJI fpv too. I bet custom carbon fiber frames for the DJI components would fly off the shelf. Ha Ha
Seriously. I want one asap. The Avata frame is not great.
I was literally wondering about this this morning, then you video pops up in recommended… hahaha YT reading my mind once again! Great video
Me too. I was generally curious to see how it would fly without the flight controllers really like it when we remove the guards.
Years of testing these ; I expected good results.
Also I mention it’s tuned with the guards. Not recommended to fly without yours.
Just for aerobatic testing.
Amazing Justin!!!
Great demo! So many possibilities on this drone! I think it's one of DJI's bests
I can't wait to watch your review of axis flying 3.5 frame for Avata , you are the right one to really test it ;)
Bravo!
That's some real testing we all been waiting for. Why can't they just put the prop guards around the props not on the frame
Thanks man. Sendin it
3:18 "It feels nice and loose"
That was a great video and I just realized I was already subbed while wanting to press the subscribe button.
Ha yes! 😎😎😎😎🔥🔥🔥🔥
i tested 3 blade props and works perfectly
Does it fly okay without the sensor plugged in underneath?
Always innovative, you!
So where did you put the antennas?
On the sides. Left and right on the frame.
I see you do a lot of hard right yaw turns. Did you also test with hard left turns?
Yes. Crazy freestyle video 2 tomorrow!
Those prop guards are shaped like funnels that's why I did mention somewhere else that I think they're the problem and the 2 naturally
Love the tests!
Yes thank you!
Thanks for the info,.. you were certainly ripping that thing around, waiting til the hype chills down, maybe by then DJI will have a two for one special on the Avata.
With all the issues being addressed I bet you’ll see a sale for sure coming up
They always fly better without prop guards. I have yaw or pitch jump on some ducked quads. On dives I think when I always get it
How to use without vision tell me please
Solid testing there 👌
Thanks. I enjoyed flying it without
Finally. Was waiting for someone to do this. Is the high pitched noise any better?
This pretty much proves people are just getting wash out of some sort in their 180 degree turns. Not really an acrobatic drone anyway since it is a cinewoop.
Yes it's not an aerobatic drone. However unlocking Manual Mode for pilots allows it to access aerobatic maneuvers. For research we wanted to test the limits.
Moore No guard flights and testing to come.
Interesting experiment, bro. Can it be covered through PID tuning against no propguard? Or if only replaced with high C lipo battery.
I’d like to find out. More testing to follow with this little quad.
Pid tuning can help. But specific to the no prop guard setup. Then different rates to prop guards on.
Depends on how guys want to fly this little machine.
It looks so wrong without guards 😂😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣 like a shaved cat!!!!
@@dronecamps exactly 😂 looks like it should be an rc car that way
Great test!
mantap om
Cool testing. Did it have the guards off when you tried the Tri-blades? If not, I would try them with the guards off..
Yes of course. But thanks man!
i notice you only did right turns, I thought the issue happens more when doing left yaw turns.?
Did both.
What happens if you disconnect the bottom sensor cable and fly it like that?
it wont hold it's position even in normal mode, I've tried it and I put the propguard back for safety and it's more practical
AM I wrong ⁉️but it seems to me like we are using the Avata incorrectly… is it made to do flips and dives or is it more for a flying low cinematic flying style. I would thing if someone wants to flip , dive and freestyle racing… get a 5 inch racing freestyle FPV drone….. I wouldn’t bring my Kia to the racetrack 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️.
We know this. Tested for research purposes :
Mainly because yes people are using Avata in manual mode to flip, roll, and dive.
People are having issues with tumble and crash in all modes. The point of this video is to test the FC to get data on the tumble effect with guards and without.
People will always push the limits. Hell look at a Honda Civic. 🤣🤣🤣
We know what Avata is made for. ☝🏻🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
dude i wanna do it with avata 2 soooo much but i heard there might be antennas inside prop guards what do you think can you make it?
The million dollar question is, should there even be a fix fir this. Given its a whoop and NOT a fpv racer. Seems quite a bit of the issue here is flying a mini van, expecting it to handle like a lotus.
hi thanks for both your video about avata and tumbling. you were absolutely clear about the reason why tumbles happen (props guard low power and weight distribution), but do you think that dji could fix (or at leat limit)this behaviour with some firmware upgrade?
Can u bind this drone with the first DJI goggles and radio
Does your antennas work better with the stubs and dji antennas positioned like that?
Nice work!
I'm surprised you didn't burn a motor or esc with all that
It’s fine . The rpm stays the same.
Great video and info 👍
Im wondering how would this work with the master air screw props.
I guess that's one way to mow the grass and have fun doing it at the same time...😂
😆😆😆
This prop guard does seem to be way over-(badly)engineered. I can see alot of room for weight reduction whilst still doing its job (seems like a good opportunity for after market products made of carbon fiber and plastic designs with less material assuming it is possible without the need of re-tuning the ESCs and flight computer)
Same. I agree. Could be much thinner. Would help big time with performance and prop wash.
its so small without the guards haha
So... how DJI going to fix this? recall all drone n replace prop guard?
No. But maybe dial back manual mode slightly.
my avata does tumble every quick turn, when does DJI make an official statement??
I have broken my avata because of a tumble, they put me to pay 160e for repair...
dji repair verdict: the pilot pushed the Roll stick to the right, pushed the Yaw stick right,
the aircraft turned to the right direction in 14m/s horizontal speed which caused unstable attitude, then the aircraft crashed with obstacles. Flight conclusion：The incident was caused by misoperation. Therefore, it is concluded to customer responsibility.
Maybe in the future we are going to have third party prop guard for this drone.
Very possible I think.
Great video
Woaw u r sooo skilled flyer... how do I get there? how many hours have u logged?
About 30 years of RC flying !
@@dronecamps Im there when Im 70 :)
I wonder if someone will make a wire prop guard attachable mod
Carbon guards would be good
No one is covering the Avata like you are,
Emoji thumbs up failed. Whatever. *Thumbs up*
Thanks bro. More to come !
Interesting video. Nice job! Is the giveaway still active?
Yes
I love how you have so much experience in fpv but yet you still move your head around like I do with only a year of flying 🤣
I still get dizzy 😆 I used to have to sit down 🪑 to fpv 😆
@@dronecamps 🤣 yea I have to stand with my legs spread far apart lol if I sit down I notice I move my head even more then standing 🤷♂️
🤣🤣🤣🤣 like dudes playing pa4 and falling off the couch
Got mine two days ago already in the process of returning it not impressed
What goggles are you using
Dji goggles 2
oh my goddddddd i wanna this~~ haha
One more Super Great vídeo test give me please your rates, thanks 🙏👍👌 beautiful
Very soon we will share.
@@dronecamps me too, I'm also interested in your rates for normal usage (with prop guards) and your angle please, thx!
For the amount of money you pay for these you could make one alot better for same price
A badass one ☝🏻 - 6S Cinewhoop FTW !
You soooooo read my mind!.... But I guess this is for those who simply do not care about the cost factor or couldn't be bothered to question what they are being sold.
Or if you just want to fly slow. This quad really is the most precise quad I’ve ever flown. That’s the huge point of it. And I love it for that. But flipping or yaw flipping it is asking Dji for a repair.
🤣🤣🤣☝🏻
They should reconsider Manual Mode. ☑️🥸🥸🥸
Not really, you need to remember your have to include a GoPro in your cost. The Avata costs $640 with a battery, so approx $500 for the drone... A GoPro Hero 11 runs $500 or an Action 2 or 3 runs about $300. There's no way you're building a GPS capable, long range, 15-20 minute, vertical hold, 1/2" fpv camera, 1080p live feed, etc cinewhoop for $0-200... Hahaha!
19 sats? Damn
I’ve seen this quad get 22 SATS !
I will bet those motors are 12n14p. 🤔
well, that about covers how I crashed my phantom 2 years ago, did that exact shit, spun out and ate 100% of the concrete🤣🤣🤣
it is tuned with the guards. non fpv people might not understand this and remove the guards anyway lol. say goodbye to yer esc, hopefully not while you're flying above a crowd
We mention this in the video.
@@dronecamps ya i dont think a lot of em know what it means based on the comments lol
Maybe not. But for sure this is research. More to come.
lol prop "Waggle" WTF XD XD
its Wash :P
Two different things there buddy. Lol.
Just when you thought it couldn't get any uglier LOL
🤣🤣🤣🤣😜😜😜😜
It's a lipo battery on there.
No, it's listed as Li-ion from DJI website and have low discharge rate (7C).