I simply marvel at Tom Mankiewicz's contribution to this film with his writing. Jor-el's first words, "This is no fantasy. No careless product of wild imagination." He is not just speaking to the Council. He is also speaking to us, the audience. He is telling us that this is not a comic book. This is real. You will believe a man can fly...
This is the greatest way a superhero movie could ever begin. I don't know how else to say it. This was absolute genius, from the direction, the script, the acting, the effects...just incredible. There will never be another Superman as great as the 1978 movie.
For the longest time, I also used to think Zod said, "...both you and one day your ASS!" Watching this scene as a kid I thought to myself, "Whoa! That guy just said a bad word." Ha ha...
To the younger generation viewing this clip for the first time, focus on 4:00 to 4:10 ... now, imagine sitting in a very, very large movie theatre viewing this for the first time, with a giant screen and massive speakers at full volume, the way movie theatres used to be back in the day because they weren't busy like today running 15 movies at the same time (half of them the same movies, but in 3-D BS), cutting viewing space. And you're hearing General Zod/Terrence Stamp's voice and the expressions on his face courtesy of the extreme close-up -- swearing vengeance against Jor-El and his heirs. THAT is movie magic.
I think they shot more close-ups back then, because it's harder to make out movie details when they're later shown on low definition TVs (network broadcasting or home video)
+bianchi1885 Stamp's portrayal of Zod is Menacing and Ruthless. If Donner takes charge of the 2nd Film instead of Lester, Zod will be Most Ruthless Man Of Steel version of Zod is the opposite. Childish when he spat at Lara
This 1978 scene ... SO much better than the analagous scene in 2013's Man of Steel. The dialogue, the acting, the cinematography, the music ... all masterfully done.
Zod: You WILL bow down before me! Both you, and one day, your heirs! Jor-El: You'll have to find him first! Zod: I WILL find h--oh, wait...I see what you tried to do
It's can't an anti-climax transition precedented aftermath plot , developing a scenario or sequences of events indicating there is more ahead in a sequel.
+Spencer Marsden Yes they were. Richard Donner also tried to make the films more of a spiritual message where Jor-El dies to redeem Kal-El from his sins. The Donner Cut has that much.
"You will bow down before me, Jor-El. I swear it. No matter that it takes an eternity, YOU WILL BOW DOWN BEFORE ME! BOTH YOU, AND THEN ONE DAY, YOUR HEIRS!"
This opening scene was simply incredible. It set up the mood that carried 1 and 2 so perfectly. The combination of Amazing designs, brilliant editing and acting, great lines, and creative suggestions that allowed space for us to indulge in our ponder and imaginations .... have kept us captivated all these years. Oh how we yearn that people behind Superman remakes can take advantage of technological advances to produce better visual flair without failing to replicate what made Superman so magical. But after so many substandard remakes that have effectively damaged our child-like expectations, it has become too difficult and heartbreaking to maintain hope.
I love this film and especially this scene. I love Man of Steel, I love Superman, I struggle to take any opinion seriously that is so passionately against any sort of modern film. If you don't like it that's cool, but jeez let others be ok with having an opinion
That entire "trial" scene used to spook me as a little kid seeing it on the big screen. The "GUILTY" being uttered by the Council members (with Donner's use of extreme close-ups to heighten the tension) was epic. As was the approaching Phantom Zone glass trapping Zod, Ursa and Non.
5 minutes in an all black room with two silver hula hoops and you have an amazing, deeply personal setup for a Zod vs Superman showdown... in Man of Steel, they took something around 20 minutes jam packed with more cgi than you could shake a fist at and they don't even come close to matching the intensity/brilliance of this scene.
Cory Morr LOL Do you realise who runs Hollywood? Superman himself is supposed to be a fallen angel, you only have to see the new superman movie to understand that. See the video "Hollywood full disclosure ricintoxin81"
Man of Steel was good. Zod was more fleshed out with a backstory that wasn't explored (much) in this movie. Still I firmly believe the way Terence Stamp embodied Zod is on par with Reeve's being living embodiment Superman. Both are really the characters ( in the DCU) and their respective acting quality will never be duplicated.
I'm sorry. Man of steel's zod is a modern day joke compared to this scene from over 30 years ago. Enjoy CGI new age kids. It's as unrealistic as the children of today thinking they will go to college, get their loans forgiven and then step into a shiny new office making 120k a year. It all falls in line.
***** You Solaxe and follower, don't get it. The first movies had spirit, new superman movies don't hence CGI overload to your faces. Batman kid of has its moments but Henry Canvil will never be Superman. You do pledge guilty?
***** Dont be naive, Zod is a personality. A Bad Kryptonian....Kryptonian as in Nemesis of Superman, new zod is a joke killing human race instead of making them his servants.
When I was very young, I used to get very scared when General Zod was screaming from 4:00-4:06 since he was screaming too loud and it was hurting my ears.
There has been no better depiction of the planet Krypton in any film, television episode, or comics, than what we get in the opening minutes of this movie. The full grandeur and awesome power of a culture that makes humans seem like ants by comparison.
+bolatluver29 me too. Krypton is located million of light years from Earth in this movie. this makes its eventual demise really awe-inspiring Some smart alecky scientist recently told DC it is about 27 light years now. Sounds stupid, when Kryptonian technology is far more advanced than us
+losttribe with the MOS Krypton, it looked more like Pandora. It would be less believable that a planet has used up all it's natural resources when Jorel is flying around on a Toruk-like creauture
For some random ass reason they made Zod American in Man of Steel. I personally believe Benedict Cumberbatch would've done the role justice, he was superb in Star Trek Into Darkness.
The music/score from Superman II was so fantastic. It sounds very bold, really gets your heart going. Man of Steel's was pretty good, but I don't remember ever being really moved by it.
I saw the new superman man of steel and purposely came back to watch the old movies. And the new one is so much better. I can't believe people compare.
There will never be a better portrayal of the joker than jack nicholson..and nobody does general zod better than terrance stamp..such a powerful and commanding speech.."you will bow down before me jor el i swear it no matter if it takes an eternity" powerful
In the novel "The Last Days of Krypton," Jor-El was in his early 30s, Non was actually Nam-Ek, and Ursa was Aethyr. And Jor-El had long white hair, while Zor-El (two years younger than his brother) had long black hair. Jor-El was an astronomer while Zor-El was a geologist (as well as the young mayor of Argo City)
I was 8 when I watched superman,10 at superman 2.Took the second as the best.3 and 4 say no more.Superman returns,yes was ok but not a grabber.M.O.S?Yes it did it.Time moves on and despite our love for C.R,we got to let it go.M.O.S was the superman film we've been waiting along time for over the years.
JOR-EL: General Zod, he has, uh, DISRESPECTED us. What have Krypton ever DONE, to, uh, deserve such mistreatment? So, naturally, the Council must respond. And they must respond in kind. GENERAL ZOD: You will KNEEL before me, Jor-El! YOU... and ONE day... YOUR HEIRS!!!
you know when Zod said that Jor El would bow down before him, in my opinion it sounded like he was going to burst into tears any minute, shows how brilliant the actor was I guess
The vote must be unanimous Jor El. It is therefore now become your decision. You alone can condemn us if you wish, and you alone will be held responsible by me.
Marlon Brando is the quintessential Jor-El. With much respect to Russel Crow, who was also quite good in Man of Steel. But when I imagine Jor-El, this is who I see. A stalwart, just, indomitable, and incorruptible pillar of strength and leadership.
That's true. It was great that he gave permission to the director of "Superman Returns" which is Bryan Singer to do a voiceover as Jorel in "Superman Returns", at least before Marlon Brando passed away in June 2004.
Old Zod doesn't act like a general at all, he acts more like a spoiled aristocrat. A general (or any soldier) will never ask anybody (including enemy) to kneel.
Superman 1978 is still the best; if they remade Superman 1978 with refined/ changed elements in the story/ script & updated it into 2013, that would've been the greatest Superhero film ever made, better than Man of Steel. I still watch Superman 1978, and I gotta say, after seeing Man of Steel twice already, Superman 1978 is still the best Superman film ever made (at least in my opinion).
That was the standard Salkind casting strategy: get lots of recognisable actors in the film and use that to help finance and market the film. They did it with the 1970's Muskateer films. Harry Andrews and Maria Schell are also in the Krypton scenes. 'Supergirl' used the same strategy.
Comparing this Zod trial to the Man of Steel Zod trial is an interesting exercise in how the movie industry has changed over the years. The old Zod trial had better and more adult dialogue, better acting, better music, more subtle foreshadowing, and cheesy special effects. The new Zod trial has fancy CG special effects, worse music, juvenile and simple-minded dialogue, worse acting, and excessive in-your-face foreshadowing. Perhaps the modern movie industry has given up on adults and now they are specifically targeting juveniles.
+MisterKorihor It's also an example overall about how Superman 2 was butchered if you saw the Richard Donner cut. Not just Zod, but there was a price to even all the power that Superman had.
David Curry What about fiction books? I don't read many fiction books so I can't comment on that form of media. But certainly I agree with you regarding music, TV (including most documentaries), "news" programs or articles (I put news in quotes since the vast majority of news stories are NOT newsworthy), and most magazines and websites.
+MisterKorihor Lets be fair I have a different idea about superman 80's and the new one each generation interprets the stories in their own way. I loved superman especially when Ke-al is sent to earth the heartbreak and hope in his parents eyes as they watched their baby leave, very few movies have that kind of ummmp then or now. The new Superman man movie was very different for example (old White/ new GREY) a they made the culture of Kyrpton so eugenic and well grey, it missed the nuances of the Kyrptoniasns as a culture of reason, science and rare MORALS most science based culture have ethics. But lets face it I grew-up with Superman so it's not like i'm ever going to look at the new superman and go YAH THIS is BETTER THAN SUPERMAN of the 80's, not just emotionally the 80's superman was unique as a hero he loved, he hurt, and he was scared and dealt with mortality. But that is superman of the comic book which went into the movie screen play. I liked the new Superman in spite of my reservations about the way it was rewritten one thing it did very well was give Ja-el a voice to explain why he sent Kael to earth to be an ambassador between worlds, Zod was a much more well rounded character to he had an actual purpose to rebuild his society albeit at earths expense, here I have to give total credit to the better version of the conflict between Zod and Kael. Zod was trying to recreate a home and society and was furious with Kael for not standing for Kyrpton with him, it was a heart wrenching scene when Ka-el snaps Zods neck because he was going to kill earth people to punish Kael for destroying the terra forming ship. That moment when Ka-el begs Zod to stop lasering with his eyes and then Zod refuses for me was just the best part of the movie. As my husband says everything has it's do's and don't the new superman was pretty good, it not my favorite but I though it was well done. Lets stay a way from the old cliche"Well in my day the music/movie/news.... was soo much better." I like them both but for very different reasons.
The concept of breeding babies in giant tubes was popularized in the novel "Brave New World"(1932), which was also turned into a movie, with a Leonard Nemoy cameo, and the technology had the same function of giving pre-determined birth. Plus the concept is a type of cloning, via taking the eggs from different donors and recycling the genetic material over and over again.
Terrence Stamp was a fantastic Zod. The way he conveyed the lines was demanding and chilling, especially the "YOU WILL BOW BEFORE ME!". One of many reasons why Superman 2 is still my favorite Superman film Michael Shannon also did a fantastic job. They tried to make us more sympathetic towards Zod and Shannon helped convey that. I personally liked Man of Steel. But the people who claim the first 2 films look "stupid" REALLY don't know what they're missing. They're still better than MoS
You do realize that Superman I is the first successful superhero movie that paved way for the genre? It may look comic-ish at times, but thats where it came from, the COMICS. Still it and Superman II held its own as the best Superhero movies for decades.
Thank you for posting. Pivotal film for eighties. Interesting that a red dwarf star is passed in the first seconds. It is identical to the appearance of Nibiru as it appears in multiple current photos over the past eight months. The solar system with it is now brightly visible as a gold star in the northwest sky between nine and eleven every night. The events hinted and warned of in the films of the seventies though to the nineties, are coming to pass.
i think the lack of thorough character development suited the film. clark's struggle to find a place to fit in is one that we can relate to but never truly understand, and has haunted him for his entire life. i think the film nailed the essence of clark's internal conflicts and concluded with the possibility that maybe clark has discovered his own niche within the world. the destruction was over the top, but it wouldn't make sense any other way. battling super gods can't help but wreak havoc.
Which is why he only says it in one scene while Superman 2's Zod likes to remind EVERYONE in the audience what he's going to make Superman and humanity do. "What's Zod going to do when he defeats Superman?" You will bow/kneel before Zod! "Oh that's what he's going to do.... what's he going to do again?" Bow/Kneel before Zod! "Oh right.... what again?" Bow/Kneel! "okay, got it!"
Who cares if it ruined the original story? It is the Superman story of the next generation. Man of Steel wasn't made to please comic book readers or fans of the original. It was made for the next generation of people who will want to see the Superman story on the big screen.
Jay Orton i know your feelings..but let's give a chance to a new version of Superman, besides my favorite scene in Man of Steel, is the same here in Superman 2, when Zod and his minions get imprisoned in the Phantom Zone
I wondered the same thing for a long time. The only thing I could ever conclude is that the hoops, once around someone being on trial for criminal acts, it acts as something that makes them powerless. An equivalent to how being tied up would keep you from going anywhere, for example.
This version is the opening scene and set-up for Krypton. At the beginning of Superman 2, we see the act that led directly to their trial and then a Cliff Notes version of this scene which leads directly into the opening credits sequence.
I simply marvel at Tom Mankiewicz's contribution to this film with his writing. Jor-el's first words, "This is no fantasy. No careless product of wild imagination." He is not just speaking to the Council. He is also speaking to us, the audience. He is telling us that this is not a comic book. This is real. You will believe a man can fly...
love dialogue like that. just caught that myself re-watching it again.
This is the greatest way a superhero movie could ever begin. I don't know how else to say it. This was absolute genius, from the direction, the script, the acting, the effects...just incredible.
There will never be another Superman as great as the 1978 movie.
For the longest time, I also used to think Zod said, "...both you and one day your ASS!" Watching this scene as a kid I thought to myself, "Whoa! That guy just said a bad word." Ha ha...
Haha! I used to think that too!
Yup.. Assman here as well.. Lol
Collin C. Me too!!! I was like! "Whoa" he's bad!!!
+Collin C. Then Jor-El's ass successfully escapes Krypton and becomes a superhero on Earth...named "Super-Ass".
+Collin C.
Terence Stamp portrayal of Zod is indeed ruthless.
MOS Michael Shannon's portrayal is below par
I can watch this scene 100 times, never gets old. The cinematrography is stunning.
And notice the lighting on the actors' faces. Very intentional. They don't make films like they used to.
To the younger generation viewing this clip for the first time, focus on 4:00 to 4:10 ... now, imagine sitting in a very, very large movie theatre viewing this for the first time, with a giant screen and massive speakers at full volume, the way movie theatres used to be back in the day because they weren't busy like today running 15 movies at the same time (half of them the same movies, but in 3-D BS), cutting viewing space. And you're hearing General Zod/Terrence Stamp's voice and the expressions on his face courtesy of the extreme close-up -- swearing vengeance against Jor-El and his heirs. THAT is movie magic.
+bianchi1885 It's also nostalgia and nostalgia's overrated. I love this movie but don't be religious about it. Plenty of movie magic nowadays.
I think they shot more close-ups back then, because it's harder to make out movie details when they're later shown on low definition TVs (network broadcasting or home video)
David Curry I prefer to believe that Donner wanted to scare the shit out of kids in the movie theater. He succeeded.
+bianchi1885
Stamp's portrayal of Zod is Menacing and Ruthless.
If Donner takes charge of the 2nd Film instead of Lester, Zod will be Most Ruthless
Man Of Steel version of Zod is the opposite. Childish when he spat at Lara
This 1978 scene ... SO much better than the analagous scene in 2013's Man of Steel. The dialogue, the acting, the cinematography, the music ... all masterfully done.
Zod: You WILL bow down before me! Both you, and one day, your heirs!
Jor-El: You'll have to find him first!
Zod: I WILL find h--oh, wait...I see what you tried to do
Sounded like Zod said, your ass ! ....LOL
Jay Btr As a kid I always thought he said that, it wasn't until recently that I found it it was heirs....LOL
After all, he trained his whole life to master his senses. Where did you train?
Shannon did a great job, but Stamp's Zod will always be iconic.
without that much Special Effects or High Budget, still this is One of the Best Superhero Films of all time
This is pretty forward thinking for the 70s - setting up the villains in the first movie for the sequel.
It's can't an anti-climax transition precedented aftermath plot , developing a scenario or sequences of events indicating there is more ahead in a sequel.
You will bow down before me Morr-El?
+Spencer Marsden Yes they were. Richard Donner also tried to make the films more of a spiritual message where Jor-El dies to redeem Kal-El from his sins. The Donner Cut has that much.
"You will bow down before me, Jor-El. I swear it. No matter that it takes an eternity, YOU WILL BOW DOWN BEFORE ME! BOTH YOU, AND THEN ONE DAY, YOUR HEIRS!"
This opening scene was simply incredible. It set up the mood that carried 1 and 2 so perfectly.
The combination of Amazing designs, brilliant editing and acting, great lines, and creative suggestions that allowed space for us to indulge in our ponder and imaginations .... have kept us captivated all these years.
Oh how we yearn that people behind Superman remakes can take advantage of technological advances to produce better visual flair without failing to replicate what made Superman so magical.
But after so many substandard remakes that have effectively damaged our child-like expectations, it has become too difficult and heartbreaking to maintain hope.
Taken on its own, without regard for the rest of the film, Stamp's Zod is one of the greatest villain performances in movie history.
I love this film and especially this scene. I love Man of Steel, I love Superman, I struggle to take any opinion seriously that is so passionately against any sort of modern film. If you don't like it that's cool, but jeez let others be ok with having an opinion
It really depends on which Zod you saw first. I was a kid when I saw this Zod in the theater, but I can see why the kids of today like today's Zod.
Michael Shannon and Terence stamp, making Zod epic from 1980's
Special effects are better in this movie than anything you see today. Donner and his team were way ahead of their time.
"This isn't a fair trial, Jor-El!! No defence attorney, no rebuttal...you'll pay for this, Jor-El!!!"
If God could be imagined as anything it would be of Jor-El wearing what he is wearing now in this scene.
And with a Voice like Peter Cullan's Optimus Prime.
The genius of this scene is the three characters and there crimes actually embody everything wrong with our word as well, more or less.
word!
That entire "trial" scene used to spook me as a little kid seeing it on the big screen. The "GUILTY" being uttered by the Council members (with Donner's use of extreme close-ups to heighten the tension) was epic. As was the approaching Phantom Zone glass trapping Zod, Ursa and Non.
5 minutes in an all black room with two silver hula hoops and you have an amazing, deeply personal setup for a Zod vs Superman showdown... in Man of Steel, they took something around 20 minutes jam packed with more cgi than you could shake a fist at and they don't even come close to matching the intensity/brilliance of this scene.
Zod screaming at Jor-El= Satan plotting against God and his son.
Cory Morr The great Dragon was cast out of heaven, and drew down a third of the Stars...
Cory Morr LOL Do you realise who runs Hollywood? Superman himself is supposed to be a fallen angel, you only have to see the new superman movie to understand that. See the video "Hollywood full disclosure ricintoxin81"
Yes I know.
Cory Morr Yeah, this and 2 have a lot of biblical imagery
+horaciosi Especially in the Donner Cut.
Man of Steel was good. Zod was more fleshed out with a backstory that wasn't explored (much) in this movie. Still I firmly believe the way Terence Stamp embodied Zod is on par with Reeve's being living embodiment Superman. Both are really the characters ( in the DCU) and their respective acting quality will never be duplicated.
KISS MY ASS ZOD
"This is no fantasy, no careless product of wild imagination."
Phrase says everything about Donner and this masterpiece of cinema.
I'm sorry. Man of steel's zod is a modern day joke compared to this scene from over 30 years ago. Enjoy CGI new age kids. It's as unrealistic as the children of today thinking they will go to college, get their loans forgiven and then step into a shiny new office making 120k a year. It all falls in line.
*****
You Solaxe and follower, don't get it. The first movies had spirit, new superman movies don't hence CGI overload to your faces. Batman kid of has its moments but Henry Canvil will never be Superman.
You do pledge guilty?
*****
Dont be naive, Zod is a personality. A Bad Kryptonian....Kryptonian as in Nemesis of Superman, new zod is a joke killing human race instead of making them his servants.
a seasoned warrior gets his ass kicked by a scientist?
really stupid idea! ruined it for me.
Man of the Steel is a shit and garbage. Bad movie.
introvertido7976 agreed, they need to re-make the whole damn thing... AGAIN
This is awesome. The beauty of this scene and how scary and powerful Zod seems contrasts greatly with his goofy death at the end of the movie.
powerful stuff. the music, the cast. man of steel has just been dwarfed.
This is the only movie I know of which set up its sequel in the first scene. One of the many reasons it's my all time favorite.
If only all trials were this brief.
It would almost be worth being arrested and tried just to be able to deliver Zod's line to a judge and jury.
He says: "Both you and then one day your heirs!" GET IT STRAIGHT GUYS. :[
Both versions of Zod were awesome.
Now stop arguing and just enjoy the damn video!
Still gives me chills. Such great acting and crisp dialogue.
When I was very young, I used to get very scared when General Zod was screaming from 4:00-4:06 since he was screaming too loud and it was hurting my ears.
There has been no better depiction of the planet Krypton in any film, television episode, or comics, than what we get in the opening minutes of this movie. The full grandeur and awesome power of a culture that makes humans seem like ants by comparison.
I like this construct of Krypton better than Man of Steel
+bolatluver29 agreed
+bolatluver29
me too. Krypton is located million of light years from Earth in this movie.
this makes its eventual demise really awe-inspiring
Some smart alecky scientist recently told DC it is about 27 light years now.
Sounds stupid, when Kryptonian technology is far more advanced than us
+losttribe with the MOS Krypton, it looked more like Pandora. It would be less believable that a planet has used up all it's natural resources when Jorel is flying around on a Toruk-like creauture
For some random ass reason they made Zod American in Man of Steel. I personally believe Benedict Cumberbatch would've done the role justice, he was superb in Star Trek Into Darkness.
For sure, Jude Law and Viggo Mortensen would have been great to
One of, if not the most epic scores in the history of movies.
The music/score from Superman II was so fantastic. It sounds very bold, really gets your heart going. Man of Steel's was pretty good, but I don't remember ever being really moved by it.
Stamps Zod and Shannons Zod were both good for what they were going for.
I saw the new superman man of steel and purposely came back to watch the old movies. And the new one is so much better. I can't believe people compare.
For years I swore that Zod said "Your ASS!" but it's "Your heirs!" I was like, how does an ass bow down... at least I figured it out.
Man of Steel might not be the greatest superhero film ever, but considering the source material, it was WAY better than I expected.
There will never be a better portrayal of the joker than jack nicholson..and nobody does general zod better than terrance stamp..such a powerful and commanding speech.."you will bow down before me jor el i swear it no matter if it takes an eternity" powerful
When I was a kid I thought General Zod said "Both you! And then one day..... YOUR ASS!!!!
For a long time my friend Nicky and I thought that he was saying that, but listening more carefully I realize he's actually saying 'heirs'.
the music! this is why there will never be another superman movie like this, fucking listen to this opening.
Oh, the MUSIC of this film!!! I love it!
In the novel "The Last Days of Krypton," Jor-El was in his early 30s, Non was actually Nam-Ek, and Ursa was Aethyr. And Jor-El had long white hair, while Zor-El (two years younger than his brother) had long black hair.
Jor-El was an astronomer while Zor-El was a geologist (as well as the young mayor of Argo City)
I don't how the 3 of them can all Fit in that Flying piece of Glass
I was 8 when I watched superman,10 at superman 2.Took the second as the best.3 and 4 say no more.Superman returns,yes was ok but not a grabber.M.O.S?Yes it did it.Time moves on and despite our love for C.R,we got to let it go.M.O.S was the superman film we've been waiting along time for over the years.
JOR-EL: General Zod, he has, uh, DISRESPECTED us. What have Krypton ever DONE, to, uh, deserve such mistreatment? So, naturally, the Council must respond. And they must respond in kind.
GENERAL ZOD: You will KNEEL before me, Jor-El! YOU... and ONE day... YOUR HEIRS!!!
"Kneel before Zod!" is classic!
One of my all times favorite movies.
you know when Zod said that Jor El would bow down before him, in my opinion it sounded like he was going to burst into tears any minute, shows how brilliant the actor was I guess
The vote must be unanimous Jor El. It is therefore now become your decision. You alone can condemn us if you wish, and you alone will be held responsible by me.
Absolute class. Man of steel won't come close
Best part of the whole movie. It almost makes up for Supes turning back time.
Man of steel was awesome. I still love the Superman the movie and it will always be my favorite but Man of steel was awesome. Saw it twice.
You know a movie is gonna be worth watching when the sequel starts in the first film.
Marlon Brando is the quintessential Jor-El. With much respect to Russel Crow, who was also quite good in Man of Steel. But when I imagine Jor-El, this is who I see. A stalwart, just, indomitable, and incorruptible pillar of strength and leadership.
The one (and ONLY) Zod.
Yep can you imagine that vicious Kryptonian? gives me the creeps
Amazing acting perfect 10.
Indeed. These 5:43 minutes are far more exciting than the entire Man of Steel film.
i loved Zod from Superman 2, but also i like Zod from Man of Steel, both of them are the Zod i read in the comics.
Marlon Brando is amazing in this
That's true. It was great that he gave permission to the director of "Superman Returns" which is Bryan Singer to do a voiceover as Jorel in "Superman Returns", at least before Marlon Brando passed away in June 2004.
the sfx are decades old but still stand up today.
It´s the best movie ever !
Old Zod doesn't act like a general at all, he acts more like a spoiled aristocrat. A general (or any soldier) will never ask anybody (including enemy) to kneel.
Superman 1978 is still the best; if they remade Superman 1978 with refined/ changed elements in the story/ script & updated it into 2013, that would've been the greatest Superhero film ever made, better than Man of Steel. I still watch Superman 1978, and I gotta say, after seeing Man of Steel twice already, Superman 1978 is still the best Superman film ever made (at least in my opinion).
I'm right there with you. Shannon had no character beyond fuming and seething.
Nothing. Can touch this.Classic.
I really love the knew film, but this scene is still absolutely awesome. Jor-el is just so badass.
That was the standard Salkind casting strategy: get lots of recognisable actors in the film and use that to help finance and market the film. They did it with the 1970's Muskateer films. Harry Andrews and Maria Schell are also in the Krypton scenes. 'Supergirl' used the same strategy.
The mirror is a great effect.
That's what I thought, too! He's actually saying "Both you, and then one day, your heirs!"
Comparing this Zod trial to the Man of Steel Zod trial is an interesting exercise in how the movie industry has changed over the years. The old Zod trial had better and more adult dialogue, better acting, better music, more subtle foreshadowing, and cheesy special effects. The new Zod trial has fancy CG special effects, worse music, juvenile and simple-minded dialogue, worse acting, and excessive in-your-face foreshadowing. Perhaps the modern movie industry has given up on adults and now they are specifically targeting juveniles.
+MisterKorihor It's also an example overall about how Superman 2 was butchered if you saw the Richard Donner cut. Not just Zod, but there was a price to even all the power that Superman had.
+MisterKorihor Your last sentence basically applies to all media and entertainment nowadays
David Curry What about fiction books? I don't read many fiction books so I can't comment on that form of media. But certainly I agree with you regarding music, TV (including most documentaries), "news" programs or articles (I put news in quotes since the vast majority of news stories are NOT newsworthy), and most magazines and websites.
+MisterKorihor
Lets be fair I have a different idea about superman 80's and the new one each generation interprets the stories in their own way. I loved superman especially when Ke-al is sent to earth the heartbreak and hope in his parents eyes as they watched their baby leave, very few movies have that kind of ummmp then or now. The new Superman man movie was very different for example (old White/ new GREY) a they made the culture of Kyrpton so eugenic and well grey, it missed the nuances of the Kyrptoniasns as a culture of reason, science and rare MORALS most science based culture have ethics.
But lets face it I grew-up with Superman so it's not like i'm ever going to look at the new superman and go YAH THIS is BETTER THAN SUPERMAN of the 80's, not just emotionally the 80's superman was unique as a hero he loved, he hurt, and he was scared and dealt with mortality. But that is superman of the comic book which went into the movie screen play.
I liked the new Superman in spite of my reservations about the way it was rewritten one thing it did very well was give Ja-el a voice to explain why he sent Kael to earth to be an ambassador between worlds, Zod was a much more well rounded character to he had an actual purpose to rebuild his society albeit at earths expense, here I have to give total credit to the better version of the conflict between Zod and Kael.
Zod was trying to recreate a home and society and was furious with Kael for not standing for Kyrpton with him, it was a heart wrenching scene when Ka-el snaps Zods neck because he was going to kill earth people to punish Kael for destroying the terra forming ship.
That moment when Ka-el begs Zod to stop lasering with his eyes and then Zod refuses for me was just the best part of the movie. As my husband says everything has it's do's and don't the new superman was pretty good, it not my favorite but I though it was well done.
Lets stay a way from the old cliche"Well in my day the music/movie/news.... was soo much better."
I like them both but for very different reasons.
. That's debatable. But you HAVE to agree that the dialogue in Man of Steel was horrendous.
superman has always impress everyone because his story always continue.
The concept of breeding babies in giant tubes was popularized in the novel "Brave New World"(1932), which was also turned into a movie, with a Leonard Nemoy cameo, and the technology had the same function of giving pre-determined birth. Plus the concept is a type of cloning, via taking the eggs from different donors and recycling the genetic material over and over again.
Terrence Stamp was a fantastic Zod. The way he conveyed the lines was demanding and chilling, especially the "YOU WILL BOW BEFORE ME!". One of many reasons why Superman 2 is still my favorite Superman film
Michael Shannon also did a fantastic job. They tried to make us more sympathetic towards Zod and Shannon helped convey that.
I personally liked Man of Steel. But the people who claim the first 2 films look "stupid" REALLY don't know what they're missing. They're still better than MoS
You do realize that Superman I is the first successful superhero movie that paved way for the genre? It may look comic-ish at times, but thats where it came from, the COMICS. Still it and Superman II held its own as the best Superhero movies for decades.
Haha, I thought he said that for years but he actually says, "Both you, and then one day, you HEIR!"
I love Zod's voice, you know his accent
I love the fact that Jor-El has the exact same haircut and the exact same insignia as his son.
Thank you for posting. Pivotal film for eighties. Interesting that a red dwarf star is passed in the first seconds. It is identical to the appearance of Nibiru as it appears in multiple current photos over the past eight months. The solar system with it is now brightly visible as a gold star in the northwest sky between nine and eleven every night. The events hinted and warned of in the films of the seventies though to the nineties, are coming to pass.
i think the lack of thorough character development suited the film. clark's struggle to find a place to fit in is one that we can relate to but never truly understand, and has haunted him for his entire life. i think the film nailed the essence of clark's internal conflicts and concluded with the possibility that maybe clark has discovered his own niche within the world.
the destruction was over the top, but it wouldn't make sense any other way. battling super gods can't help but wreak havoc.
Which is why he only says it in one scene while Superman 2's Zod likes to remind EVERYONE in the audience what he's going to make Superman and humanity do.
"What's Zod going to do when he defeats Superman?"
You will bow/kneel before Zod!
"Oh that's what he's going to do.... what's he going to do again?"
Bow/Kneel before Zod!
"Oh right.... what again?"
Bow/Kneel!
"okay, got it!"
Who cares if it ruined the original story? It is the Superman story of the next generation. Man of Steel wasn't made to please comic book readers or fans of the original. It was made for the next generation of people who will want to see the Superman story on the big screen.
Watching this, I can't help but feel that Man of Steel was weak in comparison.
Both great films, no need to compare, just enjoy everything Superman
JasonBorn89 Don't get me wrong, I liked Man of Steel but I just felt that it lacked the authenticity of the original Superman films.
Jay Orton i know your feelings..but let's give a chance to a new version of Superman, besides my favorite scene in Man of Steel, is the same here in Superman 2, when Zod and his minions get imprisoned in the Phantom Zone
Man of Steel was Awful, Zod especially was totally mis-cast..
That's what I thought. I was disappointed in Man of Steel.
I wondered the same thing for a long time. The only thing I could ever conclude is that the hoops, once around someone being on trial for criminal acts, it acts as something that makes them powerless. An equivalent to how being tied up would keep you from going anywhere, for example.
For some reason, every time he says "You, and one day, YOUR HEIRS!", it's sounded like him saying "YOUR ASSS!!!!"
Best superhero movie you can think of (man of steel that is).
Simply badass.
little did they knew how lucky they were to get kicked out of krypton
And you are telling me that the original superman;s slow-paced soundtrack is more epic than Hans Zimmer,well played.
Me: Yo Zod, it is really difficult to ascertain the location of Waldo in his ongoing book series.
General Zod: I WILL FIND HIM!!!
I'm pretty sure he's saying "You will bow down before me... We shall be back, Jor-El! We shall return!"
This version is the opening scene and set-up for Krypton. At the beginning of Superman 2, we see the act that led directly to their trial and then a Cliff Notes version of this scene which leads directly into the opening credits sequence.
What a terrible punishment to be stuck on Queen album cover for all eternity.
Gallileo, Gallileo, Gallileo Figaro - magnifico
"He may look like on of you, but he is NOT one of you"
I tell you Krypton is simply shifting its orbit.