The unspoken UK Punjabi alcohol problem - BBC News
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- Опубликовано: 3 апр 2018
- Alcoholism is a hidden problem in Britain's Punjabi community, because strictly speaking if you're Sikh you're not meant to drink.
It means it's not something that's talked about openly and when it is, it can lead to people being shunned.
But with a BBC survey suggesting 27% of British Sikhs report having someone in their family with an alcohol problem, it is an issue which can't be ignored.
BBC Victoria Derbyshire reporter Tulip Mazumdar has been to meet those affected.
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In Ireland an alcohol problem is when u can't get any.
RussiaNukesAmerica3 😂😂😂
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Or having two hands and only one mouth
RussiaNukesAmerica3 same in the U.S also your name should be in reverse.
Anthony Heflin Americans are lightweights mate, trust me Sikhs drink haaaard
The whole of the UK has an alcohol problem!
Nearly £4 a pint?
Oy vey you forgot your #notall you stinky islamophob
Zynerith how is he an Islamophobic? Lol
MtB ArN ~ I'd be bold to say *it's a western problem. not limited to one ethnicity*
Zynerith religion has nothing to do with this. Take your brain out your arse!
I’m a Sikh and I’ve been sober 5yrs and 7months thanks to Wahaguru!
Well done 👏 keep it up.
Unfortunately, Sikhs ignoring their religious principles are largely responsible for this stupid epidemic. Sikhs DONT drink, it is against Sikhism, it has always been against Sikhism, and will continue to be against Sikhism. Sikhs drinking is disrespectful to the the Sikh code of conduct, our Gurus, and is downright embarrassing. Not withstanding these arguments, the amount of abuse towards women and children in "Punjabi" communities because of this drinking problem is abhorrent.
Its Sikhi, not Sikhism.
Ikjyot Singh Kohli what does sikhism say about eating non-veg?
Eating meat is against Sikhism as well, without question, despite what some people claim.
Sikhi in "English" is Sikhism.
Ikjyot Singh Kohli Eating meat is not against Sikhi, unlike alcohol and intoxicants no where in the SGGS it talks about eating or not eating meat. It's widely agreed eating meet it's a personal choice
Very sad to hear this news about the Punjabi community, i am a Muslim and i use to teach a lot of Punjabi's. Very nice people, hard workers and decent folk with very strong cultural, family and spiritual values. I hope they can come together and fight this problem in their community. God bless.
mrquija Thats so true. They can be such good people its unbelievable but the issue does exist. I love sikh weddings but as a kid i remember a baba keep offering me and my bros glassy and tryed to give it on the sly away from mom lol. The guy was harmless and i still have nothing bad to say about him but i can see what tabby is saying in this video
Mr. Quija: Good and very appropriate and timely words of encouragement. Well said.
mrquija these are not pakistani punjabis
J 1 '' ' The vast majority of Muslims in West Punjab had ancestors who converted to Islam at the hands of the sufi saints '' Are you thick? Majority of them were converted by force . Does Aurangzeb remind you of anything? Hazrat Baba Fareed was NOT a true follower of Islam /Allah. Read quran Sura 4:48. and tell me.
U ar english learn how to spell whity
I'm glad to see that there are some in the Punjabi community who are willing to offer a helping hand and support their people in need, who are too often stifled by the cultural constraints of shame, honour and silence.
Steve Stevens yeah well that is their culture and their responsibility. Nothing to do with traditional English beliefs
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What this short documentary fails to acknowledge is that those who refuse to drink alcohol are seen as not fun and weird. This is something i faced and in the process lost all my friends over this issue.
Manps Padal Better for you to loose your friends. Then to loose your health and wealth and then end up in the gutter. People who need to drink in order to have a good time are the most misreable people, best to keep your distance from such people.
Mohammed Khan yes i completely agree. But i did suffer from extreme loneliness.
Not your friends just associates who no longer had a use for you.......I think your lucky at least you realise that accesive drinking is a problem and therefore you choose not to do it.
Look your faith tells you to stay away from it so why would you still want to baddle with this poison.
Manps Padal smoke some weed it’s the best companion when your lonely
not real friends...been there brother!
That Tubsy dude seems like a really genuine self-aware thoughtful dude. Team Tubsy
Worked with Indian brothers in the past who liked a drop. Good luck to them, they fought with our British brothers in two world wars and over the last 50 years have become part of the fabric of the England I love.
thanks for being aware of that, most dont care
I love sikh's! Respect ✌🇮🇪
Composana
Thanks, but that's not the Indian flag 😀
D007 K007 i know, its the irish lag, where im from ✌
Josh 😊😊
Uuhhh. Ireland?
I am a British Punjabi Muslim and I would never touch alcohol but I pray for my Sikh brothers and sisters quit alcohol.
😂😂😂never knew something about punjabi muslim most famous punjabis are hindus and sikhs i guess
@@butwalbutwal9122you don’t know coz that fam was separated from us as Pakistan was created.
100% alcohol, smoking, vaping, shisha and drugs are all very bad 🚫
I've had my problems with addcition with alcohol and now I work as an addiction counsellor but find it very difficult to break in to the community to offer support
I hope This programme raises awareness and let's others access support
That Tubsy seems like a very genuine dude. Glad to see he turned his life around. Hope he is still doing good
My father and brother are alcoholics. I made a choice to find something that occupied me so I wouldn’t be like that. I focused on powerlifting and wrestling. So far it kept me away from booze.
chakh dhe
hey Tubsy way to go...glad i came up on this vid
Alcohol is a problem in every community. Alcohol was a problem when I grew up in care 3 years ago, alcohol is a problem within single parents. The UK is kinda messed up!
Not really in the muslim community
@@DC-wp6oj but it’s getting there bro with young lads and drugs that’s uk for u evil it’s spreading like cancer
Still weed is banned in more than half of the world but Alcohol is not!
It shouldn't be. weed shouldn't be banned too.. Drinking alcohol/consuming weed has actual benefits.. but excessive intake is a serious problem.
Surya
Not for some people such as schizophrenics ,it can make it worse
The Sikh's are great people. This is a shame, I wish them well. Hope that they tackle the problem, they, as a community have a lot to offer society.
I agree! I'm a British Bangladeshi and i've had fantastic encounters with British Sikhs!
Many British Sikhs are some of the most productive, caring and entrepreneurial people in Britain! May the British Sikh community continue to grow and prosper!
@My choice I've never seen that happen
@@Tom_Samad I am British bangladeshi too kemon achen bhai
Thanks dear May Allah bless you 💐
This is so insightful. Thank you for sharing.
The thing is you don’t have to drink to have a good time. Alcohol has no benefits
TrucketteTV MsMac
It's a good antiseptic
TrucketteTV MsMac It does have benefits, everything has it limits.
Lawrence Chew even then the benefits don’t outweigh the negative affects of alcohol. Alcohol kills living cells and causes skin to sag. It also cause psarosis of the liver and clouds the brain . So go figure
It screws your mindfulness if you are a serious meditator. I once had a sip of wine after few months of regular practice. It took seconds for it to mess with my mind. That was one of the turning points for me to let go of drinking altogether
@@civil86able it kills sadness
Glad to see that Tubsy recovered and is doing good. Love to see stories that turn out good.
I worked with a Sikh guy in Spain. He never drank, when he did, he wouldn't turn up for work for 2 or 3 days each time.
“We”? You mean both you/your co-workers and him?
@@warheadrecordsaus he i meant to write
Punjabies are strong good hearted people.
So then why do look at me like I'm crazy when I tell them I never drink alcohol?
Huge problem which has been going on for many years. Atleast it's finally being taken seriously.
Wow, he got jaundice from drinking at 22?! He must have been really hammering it. Good to see he's sorted himself out.
Big up Tubsy!! 💯
Only on Southall Broadway
Strange thing is, as well as tobacco, alcohol is prohibited in the sikh religion... yet, punjabi culture strongly celebrates alcohol.. age of darkness...
Jatt Jeona Maurh.. Yes I know idiot, that's why I worded my comment like I did. But they are interTwined & shoukd be separated better.. as people who drink themselves into the grave, should be educated out if the shit culture that rewards rotting your liver with this poison.
Your forgetting not all panjabis are sikhs therefore they are allowed to drink. I think this video is aimed mostly at the Sikh community in particular but also has tried to point out the role alcohol plays in punjabi people as a whole e.g. in our music and folk traditions.
many are not baptized therefore they dont abstain
70% of Punjabis are muslim
rav singh wtf? Why you calling him a hindu based on that comment?
Punjabi alcoholism is not just in the UK - It's all over North America too. There is something fundamentally broken in the punjabi culture that causes men (and some women) to drink as a way to cope with life. What is so wrong with people's lives that they use alcohol as a coping tool to escape from their realities? Arranged marriages. Marital problems - being stuck living life with a person you don't like. Perhaps you dont like yourself, you are unconscious to the trauma that was inflicted upon you by your parents. Poor parenting: unrealistic, oldage expectations, generational trauma passed down from parents and even grandparents. Peer pressure from the community, depression, anxiety. Not knowing oneself.
It's a global problem, Especially among Punjabis.
I think it is because there is too much focus on impressing other people in these cultures. People don’t know how to make a decision for themselves. When a human being loses their autonomy in fundamental areas of life, they surrender to things like alcohol that take complete control of their existence. It’s not just punjabis. I would say the same for most south Asians.
Good reporting BBC. Thanks for highlighting problems in the society
Thank you for making this video
Booze with music: What a beautiful combination!!!
I worked with Punjabi family in Northern California for years . They were like family to me . I loved their hospitality food culture. I was 16 when I first started working for them . I remembered weddings and parties , exactly what explained in this video.
This doc really hit home for me. I'm an American with Indian origins and grew up in a traditional household. All of the parts of this documentary paint the picture of how common alcoholic addiction is in the Punjabi community. This was certainly something that snuck up on me during my days at University. I found myself consuming much more alcohol than my roommates. I certainly had to endure my parents calling me out on my issues and I've been able to overcome it. The part about the blame being on the Indian woman is true I saw this happen within my household with my mother and father. I will say though most of my twenties were lost to alcohol. I'm 28 now and doing much better! Thank you for the Doc BBC News.
Sad story glad your recovering
I work in the nhs with drugs and alcohol and its a major problem amongst both the muslim and sikh community
Hollywood, Music Industry, Bollywood and all other Entertainments are also partly blamed in here.
@Abu Kevin Ibn Peter
Yeah m8.
Met Jaz a few weeks ago he's a good man told a compelling insight of what happened and how's he recovered / recovering from his drinking problem
This is really interesting.. hopefully there is help for everyone
I feel sorry for Tubsy I can't imagine losing my mum so young.
Keep inspiring others to change brother
Some people drink because when they drink they are one with their inner being. They are dancing with the person who knows all their secrets and pain. Themselves.
Great short documentary. Well done.
Don't go anywhere near alcohol. I don't have a problem since I don't bring it home nor socialize with anyone who likes to drink alcohol. And avoid parties where alcohol is served. You have to change your lifestyle and perhaps friends.
This is sooo deep. I’m Sikh when I was a kid my dad use to drink quite a lot and I remember when I was 7 and was in the car with my dad and we stopped outside a pub and I pleaded with him to not go in and I was crying. But when I was like 14/15 my dad fixed up and only drank on occasions. Especially because one of his brothers died from alcohol. Now today I’m 20 and my dad still drinks but not as much and only does it every now and again which I’m glad... I drink too I go clubbing with my friends and I’m not gonna lie when I drink I do get proper drunk... but thing is I know I can go without alcohol for months if I really wanted too... i use to think that if I kept going on nights out with my friends I would get hooked on it because it’s ran through my family but I can honestly say I’m never dependant on alcohol, even when I’m angry or stressed it never occurs to me to drink... I only drink when I choose to drink Which is for enjoyment but like I said I don’t drink casually everyday or anything like that.
That's good! Addiction gene skipped you! Whooh
You still good or the drink consumed you
Sikh and panjabi are different.
Tubsy...hope things are going well.....keep the fight going..
may God bless you all
The problem with alcohol is knowing when you have a alcohol problem.
Sikh's are hard working people and I'm glad that the community stepped in to help it's people. Love and cuddles ❤️❤️❤️
I can manage to keep a litre of spirit going for about a week, but one litre every day would be crazy. Still working on having regular dry days. Niacin seems to help on dry days. Plus CBD and terpenes.
Now make one about Pakistani grooming gangs oh wait you won’t
Gbains Singh As long as Sikhs are obsessed with their hatred of Muslims they will never achieve a real homeland, a country of their own. Kalistan!
India bech Sikha day juttiha pendia Hindu toh.
Algolxxxxxx Algolxxxxxx lol I did not even mention muslims in my comment I actually think that the Quran says a lot of good things, what I meant in the previous comment is that there is a subculture in England’s pakistani community that groom women, just like panjabis drink, your point about sikhs being beaten in India that happens to Muslims in India too but I would never boast about it like you. Are there good people from Pakistan yes are there also people from the Pakistani community who are bad and do grooming yes but will the media call them out no.
Gbains Singh It's true both Sikhs and Muslims get a shit deal in India. I also won't deny that there isn't an issue in a part of the Pakistani community with grooming white girls. Using them, and exploiting them. Though not all Pakistanis are the same. There wasn't a single punjabi Pakistani involved in grooming as far I ever came across in the reports. Same goes for so-called "honour killing".
Perhaps you're aware of the term "Mirpuri". Large section of the UK Pakistani community originates
from Mirpur or around that region in Pakistan. The region is actually tiny next compared to the Punjab. Mirpuri don't even speak the same way as Punjabis and have their own separate community from the Punjabi Pakistani community. Generally, their attitude and outlook on life is different too. Though try explaining that to white people. They just count Pakistanis and Muslims altogether as one. All they see and hear on the news is "Pakistani Muslim men".
Algolxxxxxx nice we could come to a common understanding I had no idea about the group called mirpuri I might have heard the word but I’ll look into it, thanks for the knowledge.
Gbains Singh 90% of groomers are white people in England
I am married to a Sikh man and he doesn't drink at all
@Abu Kevin Ibn Peter thats good no one drinks in your family. I do have to say though my husband used to drink and he stopped in 2013 and has not drank any since and he hates the smell of it now.
I think I listen many song also mentions daroo also contribute
True
Dr Gurprit Ji. Why Cut Kesh?
Where can I find this report please?
Note: All punjabis are not Siks. Punjabis are people from a STATE. It's not a religion
Alcohol tastes and smells revolting.
Buy better alcohol.
We need this to be tackled as a urgent issue otherwise we will find ourselves in the same situation as Punjab is now.
Typical British drinking culture.
dont like it fuck off hahaha
gg us Brits should calm
Down abit with the drink.
This was really enlightening. I didn't know that drinking alcohol is forbidden in the Sikh religion. I know many Sikhs and they've all always been very open about having a drink but they also often visit the gurdwara. It's interesting how it's not seen as a shameful to openly defy the religious teachings. Hopefully it all changes and as a community they curb the problem.
Khaira ਖਹਿਰਾ Thanks for the information Khaira (lovely name btw). İt really highlights the importance of portraying ones religion correctly. İt's good that I can now see the act of drinking as a cultural thing rather than identified as something permissable within the religion. Maybe I can even point it out and have a discussion with my Sikh friends/colleagues about it.
Can't really be called a Punjabi 'Sikh' If they're drinking, alcohol or any type of drug/intoxicant is strictly prohibited in Sikhi
Drugs, alcoholism, what's happening to us
It's widespread in India too
That's what happen when you adopt foreign culture blindly. Drinking culture evolved gradually in western countries and only they know how to drink with sophistication
Well done Harpreet. Keep going👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
try non alcoholic beers and low percentage spirits or wine, it might not taste good at first but after 4 years sober myself it's become a really acquired taste that i enjoy now. just include it at the banquet or party like a vegetarian option or something.
Kudo's to you for coming out and trying to fix your problems 👍
☘️....Shiit I’m Sikh & Irish....☘️
Juice Box
Lay off the alcohol buddy. Double shit genes. Your bound for alcoholism, sex addiction, domestic violence, kacheri, and thana
Juice Box lol
Haha
it aint genes lol
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
True Sikh shouldn't drink.
Rab rakha! i pray for all my sikh brothers and sisters
Even in India, Sikh boys have a rep with Whiskey - which suited me as I was an alcoholic when I worked in India - pretty much all of my drinking pals were Sikh - I am white and Scottish, so I come from a culture that drinks to excess and recognise my fellow travellers. Good luck, its hard. Me sober for only 6 months, still hard
This video is literally based around southall. Big up ub1ub2
16 is actually when people start drinking to mark their adolescence. In society 16 means almost being an adult.
This is very true glad BBC made this
Isn't Tubsy from the bhangra legends band?
In Punjab India drinking is being glorified by Punjabi songs, that state also known as Drug capital of our country.
Many thanks for bringing light to this issue. People need to realise alcohol is a drug just like cannabis and other drugs. The cause of far too many social ills in British society. Jago veere. Tujhe ankhi ban na parega. Don’t follow what society does, instead stick to your principles and inspire others.
I drink on Friday or Saturday 5 beers In about 4 hours and snack at the same time
Sometimes I don't drink for couple months my drinking is after work and family responsibility
What would you do if guru visited your house or attended the wedding party. Would you drink or abstain?
The people shown in this video are born into Sikhism by blood and are not practicing Sikhs. A formally baptised Sikh (Amritdhari) is forbidden to consume any intoxicants, e.g. drugs, tobacco, alcohol.
Reading these comments its shocking how ignorant some of the commenters are. Grow up pajees and sort out the elephant in the room.
Tough life
Dorset?
This is such shameful habit. Guruji had preaching against meat and alcohol.
Sikhism says one should not consume alcohol Waheguru (God) knows best
jas nagra I love to drink that is when I am on vacation. When I am home I hardly drank.
I live in Sunnyvale California and I go to church for AA alcoholic anonymous meetings.I’m so glad they got a program for alcoholics while gurdwara committees just spending money on buildings.
You know where the door is
So this is a Punjabi problem not an Asian problem funny that I wounder why?
Glasgow Blue Boxing Fan what do you mean?
Glasgow Blue Boxing Fan It's within a certain ethnic group of Asia.
Mind you there are two Punjabs spilt between two countries.
Grey Chip Actually, they focus on the religion of the individuals for those issues.
Grey Chip do you even know about the different Asian races? If you were to just talk about the one in South Asia, who I think you’re referring to, there’s 1,500+ races/ethnic groups. Yes the rape issue is sadly a hugely disgusting problem that needs to be sorted out right away, but I think you fail to understand it’s not specific to one individual diaspora, it’s a problem that is in the mind of sick humans of all races. The reason the south Asian one is highlighted in the news is because the regions where it was reported it wasn’t handled properly, just like how the celebrity sexual abuse scandal involving majority white males was hugely reported in the news, and still is, because of the lack of action when it occurred. At universities, a majority of sexual abuse is carried out by Caucasian drunk males against drunk females, but that isn’t reported on because it is now properly handled. Judging by the videos you’ve liked on RUclips you’re very narrow minded and this or any other statistical or academic reply won’t change your mind, so there’s no point trying, but that doesn’t mean we can’t point out your bias and flaws.
Asia is a continent, this issue may not affect the Chinese, Bangladesh etc in the same way
Lol not secret...its been well known
Stay strong Tubsy!
This is very sad
I went to a Punjabi Party once...That was the first time I tried absinthe... And the first time I got soo wasted
It’s a problem in every community not just punjabi.
I agree ! I don't drink and save lots of money and headache ! and you wonder why brits say they don't have enough money when they drink like a horse and then get ill and suck up services by NHS, I would say no treatment should be given to alcoholics, as they are irresponsible and make us innocent people pick up the rubbish they left
Nicholas Lim Nothing like being above someone.
PUNJAB IS NO ONE IN WHISKY DRINKING THEY R NUMBER YES NUMBER ONE MY PUNJAB BEFORE THEY GO TEMPLE THEY SAY THEY NEED TO HAV 2 VOTTLE VISKY AND TWOH BUTTLE MR WISKY AND ZACKY DANIELS THEY SAY THEY GET MORE DANCING LIKE THEY PRAY BETTER WHEN HAVING DRINK THIS MY FUNJABI FREINDS SAY WOW AM SHOCKED THEY DRINK BEFOR GOING TO TEMPLE
Nope. We punjabis have a big problem with alcohol and drugs even in India/Pakistan
Very sad
Very important issue,
In mourning sikh pray in gurudwara and in evening go for alcohol 😝😝
@Abu Kevin Ibn Peter dear you don't understand who is sikh
@Abu Kevin Ibn Peter you don't know who is sikh
Breaks my heart regardless of race and culture to see people consuming so much alcohol and using it a crutch thus leading them to becoming alcoholics! I will pray for this! In Jesus name! 🙏
I thinking 🤔
It's the same back in Punjab, India. Massive drug and alcohol issues.