My Kia Soul EV Has Been RECALLED 🔋☠️

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  • @daves1646
    @daves1646 Год назад +4

    Kate, Thank you for the excellent coverage!
    Ooooi, this is a big DRAG. Hope you have a keeper AND that Kia steps up to the plate, like Hyundai did with the NiroEV.

  • @downix
    @downix Год назад +8

    Z88 FTW!
    I wonder if our car's battery issue led to your recall. About a year and a half ago, suddenly our '17 Soul EV threw that EV warning light, and lost over half it's range. When we brought it into the dealer, they found that 2 cells in one module had faulted to only 37% capacity. Took almost four months to get a replacement battery, during which time five other cells in that module faulted. Once we got the new battery, drove it in, dropped it off first thing in the morning and had it back by noon, now with the '18 battery, which has longer range. It is fun having 130 miles of range on a car that shipped with 95 miles.

    • @MylesV
      @MylesV Год назад +1

      I saw a social media post from someone with a Soul EV that actually caught on fire while driving a few months ago. The owner said they were a delivery driver and did lots of DCFC to meet their driving needs, they said that there was something weird about the charging behavior before the fire. I wonder if that triggered this recall.

    • @porkymouth
      @porkymouth Год назад +1

      A similar thing happened with my 2016 Soul EV about 1 year ago. 2 cell groups suddenly lost most of their capacity, and it took 6 months for a battery replacement. With the new pack I have 120 miles on the best day compared to 70 miles previously.

    • @michaelanders6161
      @michaelanders6161 11 месяцев назад +1

      You give me hope! My 2017 Soul EV HAD A 96 mile range when I bought it in June of 2021. Drove it 2 years uneventfully. I got that battery fire risk recall notice without any offered fix in June or so. I then promptly got the triangle exclamation warning light of doom. Took it in, had the tech tell me my cooling pump was bad. Replaced it for $1200, which I had to pay, and ever since then, my max range has be 76 miles. Still no word from KIA on my recall follow up. Damn! I want a new battery pack, and Kia is telling me nothing!

  • @PaulPistore
    @PaulPistore Год назад +4

    I hope all works out with the battery!
    I really appreciate your dry sense of humor (humour?) and funny quips.
    All the best to you and the team!

  • @mikeselectricstuff
    @mikeselectricstuff Год назад +1

    You can keep an eye on the battery cell voltage deviations via OBD, either with Torque, or the standalone evobd2 display unit

  • @mikefarrington7141
    @mikefarrington7141 Год назад +17

    Hopefully you can get a new battery out of this. 2020 and 2021 Bolt EV owners who were expecting a new battery were just told last week that this plan has been changed. Instead, GM is crossing their fingers that whatever went out of whack in the battery manufacturing process was still within spec for those early years of that line's run. So, instead of an expected new battery, they're all just going to survive with improved battery monitoring. As in, they get to play the statistics game. If a few cars go up in flames, then maybe the replacement recall will come back. I bet you're in that same boat with your Soul EV.

    • @daves1646
      @daves1646 Год назад +1

      Oh Cripes.
      I got my 2020 Bolt bought back once the lawyers got control (no inside charge, park 50 ft away etc). They must pay the Concierge staff a lot to get them to make these calls to customers. I would have been apoplectic.
      If you have one of the newer Bolts, Mike, I hope you have a solid one!

    • @mikefarrington7141
      @mikefarrington7141 Год назад +1

      @@daves1646 I've got a 2019 and got a new battery at about 80k miles. Higher capacity, reset warranty -- all in all it worked out great.

    • @seltzered
      @seltzered Год назад

      Same thing is happening for the Jaguar I-Pace recall, battery monitoring gets a sw update (or monitoring system is replaced), and battery replacement only happens if something is detected.

  • @BattNW
    @BattNW Год назад +3

    We got the same notice for our 18 Soul EV. I guess it's reassuring that you are as left in the dark as we are. Not sure if we want a new pack or not. It would be great if we had confirmation that there is no problem in the pack, but it doesn't sound like that is currently possible. Thanks for the info as always!

  • @MrEroshan
    @MrEroshan Год назад +2

    Precipitates within the battery refer to crystals forming and piercing internal membranes causing anode /cathode shorts.

  • @grantlouw3182
    @grantlouw3182 Год назад +4

    Love the transparency, love TE.

  • @KalleSWBeck
    @KalleSWBeck Год назад +2

    So I have a 2016 soul and the battery has not been replaced and still got the recall notice… I think it got sent to all Kia soul EV owners

  • @leebiggs2844
    @leebiggs2844 Год назад +2

    I just looked up my Soul and it also says it has the recall. However I'm not sure that it applies to my car. The E400 battery is the one from the '18-'19 Soul EV which had longer range, as stated in the recall some early Souls had their battery replaced with an E400 under warranty. My 2015 car never had the ~111 mile range since purchased in 2019 that an E400 pack would have, nor does Kia show a longer warranty on my car. I think it likely that Kia is gathering data to determine which cars it truly affects and is sending out notices to all potentially affected owners.
    BTW just went over a 100k on Monday with 84% SOH. SOH was ~92% until daily DCFC in the last 18mo due to charging access loss at work in Seattle. I still however have enough range to complete my 93 mile round trip commute 8 months of the year due to slow traffic in my evening commute.

  • @Bob_Sacamano
    @Bob_Sacamano Год назад

    Kate's the best. Always informative and to the point! Love the Z88!

  • @edgecomber
    @edgecomber Год назад +1

    I believe that a misunderstanding is being spread in this video about the cause of the issue with this battery. The problem is with excess precipitate in the cells, not excess precipitation (i.e. rain) outside them or getting into them. What is being referred to in the recall statement is a precipitate, i.e. a solid that 'precipitates' out of a liquid, in this case the lithium electrolyte solution, forming a potential path for a short circuit within the cell. If due to a faulty manufacturing process too much solid is dissolved in the electolyte solution, it would be more likely to have this issue. It has nothing to do with a battery getting wet, so the fact that this car is located in the Northwest has nothing to do with its susceptibility to this issue.
    It is definitely something to be concerned about though, and Kia is going to have a hard time figuring out which batteries might have this issue developing. It sounds like Kia's proposed solution is to update the battery cell balancing software, and wait until the battery cell balancing software reports a particular cell is starting to have the problem, then have it cripple the battery power and charging to force the owner to take it to a Kia dealer ASAP. Not ideal to have a ticking time bomb under the car. Kia should bite the bullet and replace all the batteries.
    I enjoy this channel, but this is a pretty big fact to get wrong. A followup might be appropriate so people won't be worried when the rainy season sets in.

    • @edgecomber
      @edgecomber Год назад

      Sorry- didn't look far enough in the comments. This has been addressed there, but still think a followup video should be produced to correct the whole rain thing.

  • @ScrapKing73
    @ScrapKing73 Год назад +2

    I watched the whole video waiting for you to explain how you’d lied to us. No deliberate misrepresentations from you were expressed. :-P

  • @moate
    @moate Год назад +2

    Good video, as I just got another recall on one of my cars. The NHTSA has an app that you can register all your VINs to monitor and get alerts on your cars. My F150 and vw seem to get them all the time :)

  • @Maker_of_Things
    @Maker_of_Things Год назад

    I have a Z88 too! I last used it back in 2006/7. I loved the pat pat pat sound of the rubber keyboard while I was writing notes during lectures. I was using it because Barcelona airport fried my Psion 5 in their X-Ray a couple of years earlier!
    I must dig it out and see how it is.

  • @joeyvinzo4531
    @joeyvinzo4531 Год назад +1

    I hope they can solve this issue promptly. Good luck my friend.

  • @thesoundsmith
    @thesoundsmith Год назад +1

    We may have been an "early adopter" of this issue. New 2016 Soul EV+, had the parking brake update but then had to replace the battery pack, which took almost 8 months, fortunately under warranty! But it's running fine now, knock on lithium...
    But 90K miles and 90% gives me hope for the longevity of the car. 🙂

  • @Richardincancale
    @Richardincancale Год назад

    Hi Kate - do you still have the CTL Mod One shirt available? Can you remind me of the URL please if so? Thanks! 🌈

  • @SteveRowe
    @SteveRowe Год назад

    I'm sorry for you guys, Kate. I have a Bolt and the answer is "We can't really tell if the battery is bad or not, so we'd better just replace them all with a new battery (that we also don't know if it has a flaw)." Best of luck you you!

  • @stevewausa
    @stevewausa Год назад

    The Z88 reminds me of the Radio Shack model 100/Tandy 102 that was hugely popular with reporters thanks to the full travel keyboard.

  • @1grizzlyrizzo
    @1grizzlyrizzo Год назад

    I love the old little word processors, I was given an Amsterdam nc100 in school as a special needs student.

  • @chunkychuck
    @chunkychuck Год назад

    I don't see any mention of moisture ingress on the notice. It mentions "abnormally excessive precipitate within the battery cells", implying a failure of the battery chemistry.

  • @davemoore5222
    @davemoore5222 Год назад

    I bought a Z88 brand new, back in the day. Still have it, though I’ve not used it for years.

  • @panemon187
    @panemon187 Год назад

    I brought mine in recently, they said the battery was fine and they did a software update and that was it. I also noticed they adjusted the guess-o-meter or reset it or something. I don't feel confident about this battery situation.

  • @andrew1joe
    @andrew1joe Год назад

    I sure know how to pick them - I have both the Chevy Bolt and Kia Soul EV that were recalled for potential fire hazard in the battery pack. Feels like a repeat of Chevy Bolt where they tried to solve it with two software patches before finally giving up and replacing all the battery packs for years 2017-2019.

  • @leebiggs2844
    @leebiggs2844 Год назад +3

    From the Part 573 Safety Recall Report 23V-218 "Following installation of the new software, if the abnormal battery cell voltage is detected by the vehicle's battery management system, the EV warning light will illuminate, charging capacity will be limited to 80% and the vehicle will be placed into a reduced-power limp home mode. If this occurs, dealer will replace the high voltage battery."

  • @karlInSanDiego
    @karlInSanDiego Год назад +2

    That really sucks. I know we're still early days in really learning how to responsibly design battery packs for easy maintenance, including testing, inspecting, and replacing modules or cells. Manufacturers have made these packs very complex, and some (Tesla) have forever potted the cells and used too many cells per module.
    The more sustainable way to build battery packs will include packs that can be secured to the car (too easy to remove could mean easy to steal, I'm looking at you Nio), but can be unlocked and removed in a reasonable amount of time from the car at a shop. It could also include state of health/charge ports for each module available on a secured door on the pack, so you don't necessarily need to rely on the full car electronics to understand what you've got with a standalone battery from a wreck. They should be opened easily and reversibly by mechanics (Tesla packs are sardine cans that don't open/reseal well. The modules should be easily tested and removed. The modules should be mixable, so you can replace one failed/dangerous module with a NEW one, without getting into problems with being out of balance with other modules.
    The cells should be testable and replaceable so that at the regional level, a module can be repaired with a new cell and put back into service. This means the BMS would have to tolerate a mix of new and old cells. Can it be done? Yes, I'm sure it can be done. We just are in early days and presume that all cells much match SOH, and all modules must match in SOH to ensure the best cell balance. We should stressing about these things to keep EVs sustainable, not 1000 km range (I'm looking at you Mercedes)
    These full pack recalls would have been much more reasonable sustainability wise, if the suspect cells or pack in this case, could be serviced regionally and not require full pack replacement. I know that was sort of attempted, but frankly, the manufacturers hadn't yet planned for this worse case scenario of full model full pack recalls. We can't keep having this happen, as it would bankrupt smaller companies and then vehicle owners would be left with even scarier prospects of trying to maintain a car with no parts support.

    • @downix
      @downix Год назад +1

      I know how I would design a battery pack, because I was plotting out a conversion for an old VW at one time, and what you describe is more than doable. It is a software configuration, and quite straightforward

    • @jacobcarlson4010
      @jacobcarlson4010 Год назад +1

      @karlInSanDiego: While I very very strongly agree with you on the design characteristics, the vast majority of consumers don’t care about repairability. Every time I’ve brought up how the liquid cooling systems of modern cars make the battery pack more or less an unserviceable cluster **ck, it’s either shrugged off as “maybe, but it lasts SO much longer!!11!11!1” or it’s just ignored. To be clear, in the most literal sense, a liquid cooled battery will degrade less in the initial stages of the pack, and slightly less per 10k miles; but that’s comparing tesla cells to Nissan’s “A1” supplier cells, equivalent to comparing apples to avocados. I sincerely wish it weren’t, but blind consumerism is alive and well here in the US. Hopefully someday we’ll be able to have the repairable EVs that you and I dream of. Until then, I’ll be cruising the backroads in my ‘16 LEAF; the most repairable and serviceable vehicle I’ve been able to find. ✌️

  • @jamesdubben3687
    @jamesdubben3687 Год назад

    A Z88! What a hoot!
    Good luck with the car battery.

  • @gryzman
    @gryzman Год назад

    Interesting. I wonder how does that compare to people having these in the UK.

  • @wiltaylor
    @wiltaylor Год назад +1

    ALL types of cars get recall notices. I got two for my last ice car very frustrating.

  • @johnkellett7797
    @johnkellett7797 Год назад

    Is this issue the same as the Jag iPace has?

  • @PC-vq5ud
    @PC-vq5ud Год назад +1

    GM announced that they are not going to replace all the Bolt batteries. They are going to do a software patch instead. What a rip-off for the folks that have been waiting.

  • @joedilellio3627
    @joedilellio3627 Год назад

    Honestly a little surprised by the original "all Bolts get new batteries" and not just the old 2017-2019 cars when it was announced. That it came back is kind of what I expected. May suck for those who made decisions based on that supplied information though.

  • @davidmaddon554
    @davidmaddon554 Год назад

    Over the air update?

  • @electricguy109
    @electricguy109 Год назад

    This seems to be really similar to the issue with the Bolt battery (defect within the battery). Overall, I hope you will get a new battery and not a « software monitoring » the health of the battery pack (which does not remove the concern). This is a painful experience and it seems to spread… Hyundai, Kia, Chevrolet…..

  • @AerialWaviator
    @AerialWaviator Год назад

    Nice video update, sorry not the greatest news. Regarding the "EV Warning" light, don't panic if you see it. The EV Warning on the Kia Soul will illuminate for any EV drivetrain related error, this can include climate control errors. Only way to know is to use ODB dongle to check the error error code reported, or have a dealer check for you. (of course, the actual error numbers are not posted, so will require research to understand what to poor Soul is trying to say is ailing it)
    Like with the Kona and Bolt EVs, it is sounding like there was a manufacturing issue with the separation layer in cell manufacturing that is meant to keep lithium dendrites from growing between the cathode and anode and causing a short circuit.
    I'm surprised the main pack swap is not noted on the vehicle maintenance history. This equivalent to swapping out the ICE in a combustion powered vehicle. Kia should be legally required to provide that info. (some things easier said than done ;)
    Your Z-88 reminds be of the TRS-100 computer, which was a similar styled portable sold by Radio Shack. The Z-88 definitely scores more retro-geek points.

  • @DuncanCunningham
    @DuncanCunningham Год назад

    yep, my son has one.. got the letter too.

  • @mikafiltenborg7572
    @mikafiltenborg7572 Год назад +1

    "competition is coming for Tesla.." 😂😂😂🤡🤦‍♂️🤦‍♀️

  • @robertkirchner7981
    @robertkirchner7981 Год назад +2

    My guess is that eventually they will buy the car back rather than replace the battery again.

  • @ontopoftheroof
    @ontopoftheroof Год назад +1

    Yep, 32 KB were standard.

  • @restonthewind
    @restonthewind Год назад

    I'd be happy to learn that my battery pack has fewer miles on it.

  • @AlanTov
    @AlanTov Год назад

    I still love the Soul. So much character which is so unusual these days.
    Also love Kate’s dry, quirky sense of humour.
    This is my favourite EV channel.

  • @deadgnat
    @deadgnat Год назад

    Update on the recall as of August 31, 2023. Kia is asking owners to bring their recalled cars into t he dealership for a software update. After the software update, if the new software detects an issue, the battery warning light will turn on and charging will be restricted to 80%. If that happens, Kia will replace the battery pack.

    • @andrew1joe
      @andrew1joe Год назад

      I haven't heard of the software update being ready in Canada yet.

  • @christianocampos158
    @christianocampos158 Год назад

    was thinking on exporting one😶, nevermind..

  • @thomasreedy4751
    @thomasreedy4751 Год назад +1

    Bob is only my uncle by marriage.😂

  • @garycarson3128
    @garycarson3128 Год назад

    This is to be excepted from legacy automakers and I suspect the amount of recalls will snowball as the legacy automakers install more and more software without over-the-air updates.
    Software from even the best software companies Microsoft, Google, Apple, etc) is inherently buggy. Legacy automakers have no experience making software and the “Smart EVs” like Tesla, Lucid, and some Chinese automakers are computers on wheels. They are more computer than automobile.
    Software related recalls will bankrupt legacy automakers without over-the-air updates that can update all of the software in the EV - not just the user interface screen and infotainment system.

  • @RyanOttawayMartin
    @RyanOttawayMartin Год назад

    Z88…nooooo……waaaay! ❤❤❤😂

  • @tonykelpie
    @tonykelpie Год назад

    Drive only a few miles? Why not cycle?

    • @transportevolved
      @transportevolved  Год назад

      Mainly because she has to make multiple trips through the week to get large amounts of stock in. She doesn't always know ahead of the work day when those trips will be necessary.
      ^Kate

  • @Firestorm637
    @Firestorm637 Год назад

    Soul just does not have enough range or charge fast enough. I have a 50 mile, each way, commute 99% on freeway traveling 75 plus mph in hot Palm Springs. The air conditioning going full blast. I sold my leaf for a Tesla. Most non Tesla PUBLIC charging stations are slow level 2 6-19 kw. Most public non Tesla level 3 only 50 kw. All Tesla Charging stations are level 3 120-250 kw. A couple of my friends sold their Rivian and Lightning for same issues, slow charging stations. My leaf only had a 6 kw on board level 2 charger vs my Tesla 11 kw level 2 on board charger. Tesla level 3 DC fast chargers(superchargers) make EV’s hassle free. These larger truck EV’s with 130 kwh batteries plus need fast charging stations at least 120 kw to really push EV revolution.

    • @transportevolved
      @transportevolved  Год назад +2

      On the other hand my wife's commute is under 10 miles in total. I'm not quite sure why you appear to be suggesting all vehicles need massive range and ultra fast rapid charging. We have literally never used the rapid charging on our soul, except once to check it worked.
      Also, you need to update your stats on CCS rapid charging, they're wildly inaccurate.
      ^Kate

  • @shaystern2453
    @shaystern2453 Год назад

    sounds like a brand new traction battery for you. is it lithium ion? scary to drive now

  • @MrQlife
    @MrQlife Год назад

    That’s enough to decide never to buy a car from that manufacturer ever again

  • @xiaoka
    @xiaoka Год назад

    who knows, you may have 100% battery capacaity at 100k miles at this rate! 😀

  • @michaelbrinks8089
    @michaelbrinks8089 6 месяцев назад

    I'm not against EVs.....I'm against how they're build and few charging stations there are.

  • @williamrutkowski
    @williamrutkowski Год назад

    It only rains 364 days a year. 😂

  • @toonman361
    @toonman361 Год назад

    Worthy of comment but too long. Lots of slow paced timing in between relevant bits of information. I know there are no timing rules on RUclips but shorter is better IMO.

  • @zapfanzapfan
    @zapfanzapfan Год назад

    Bit of computer history. If only Moore's law applied to cars...

  • @matthewbaynham6286
    @matthewbaynham6286 Год назад +3

    Nice computer.

  • @whitlockbr
    @whitlockbr Год назад

    I'm not envious of your situation.. Kia sent you a notice that you're sitting on a bomb that may go off if the pacific northwest does its thing and rains on you (wait 5 minutes.. it will). They told you they can put some nifty software in there to hobble the car if it gets shifty... I liken this to driving with my wife to the inlaws.. you just know something explosive is going to happen... not every time, but it does often.

  • @CMWobby1
    @CMWobby1 Год назад

    Are we getting a little over concerned? Up till now you’ve had no problems and as you said it’s less than 1% who have problems.

  • @IronmanV5
    @IronmanV5 Год назад

    Or maybe, just maybe, your wife gets a new Niro or EV6 free from Kia🤞🏽

  • @CHIEF_420
    @CHIEF_420 Год назад

    @Toyota
    💧+ 🚄 + "Methanol to H2 station" en 🇨🇳 = 🤘

  • @RyanWilliams222
    @RyanWilliams222 Год назад

    Oh, boy. That stinks. Sorry.

  • @MegaWilderness
    @MegaWilderness Год назад

    A gasometer stores gas. I think you mean odometer

    • @chow-chihuang4903
      @chow-chihuang4903 Год назад +2

      I think it’s “guess-o-meter” which makes a SWAG (scientific wild-ass guess) at how much range the pack will deliver.

    • @xiaoka
      @xiaoka Год назад +3

      yes. Guessometer.

  • @musk-eteer9898
    @musk-eteer9898 Год назад

    why waste your hard earned money on subpar products just spend a bit more get a quality product and save money in the long run. Get a Tesla...'nuf said.

    • @transportevolved
      @transportevolved  Год назад +2

      Right, because everybody knows that you can buy a used Tesla for the same price that Kate paid for her used soul EV.

    • @transportevolved
      @transportevolved  Год назад +1

      Your generosity in offering the extra 20k it would have cost for us to get a m3, and presumably also to cover the difference in ongoing maintenance cost (soul - set of tyres - under 300 for the whole car, m3 - set of tires - just shy of 700....). I assume you'll also be covering the extra cost for the WA vehicle tabs, too.
      No?
      This "it saves you money in the long term" when comparing Tesla to another EV is just nonsense.
      ^Kate

  • @tulsipa7092
    @tulsipa7092 Год назад

    good thing
    kia souls are evil
    even more horrible when it's an ev