@TheHabibi333 they searched for an excuse in order to kill many people, first Pargali Ibrahim, then Mustafa, now Beyazid. Syleiman said once to Hurrem: " I must go to war. And don't be afraid. I will returt. After all, this is important. After all, I don't invented war". A) I wanted him to die, so his family would be alive now and B) yes, you maybe didn't invent war, but you didn't do something in order to stop it. Because rope doesn't has one edge, if you pushing it, the other will push it too. So neither Hurrem, nor Syleiman should act like this. They were trying all the time to have an excuse in order to kill innocent people, instead of trying to get along with people and discuss with their with peace. He never learned to discuss with dialogue, only with sword and cannons and killing. Now die, Syleiman, so the next time you will be born, that you will be more careful of what you are saying, of what you are doing and that a human doesn't act like a God.
Mihrimah forgets (and that is what always annoyed me) that her life and her children's lives were secure. Selim (and all his brothers) didn't just worry for their lives but for their sons as well. Of course, you love your children more than your brothers. They are your primary responsibility!
Even though I don't like Selim but here, I agree with his words. Mihirimah has no right to insult or curse selim for killing beyazid when she herself was so much responsible for Mustafa's death. And now, she feels the wrath of selim. She sacrificed her life so her brothers could achieve the throne but she will have to live with the guilt and pain for rest of her life.
The funny thing is in real life he said if the throne didn't mean my life I wouldn't want it. Selim never wanted the throne. Which is why Sulimon let him live.
Safiye Sultan amazingly lived through and survived the reigns of seven sultans: Suleiman the Magnificent, Selim II, Murad III, Mehmed III, Ahmed I, Mustafa I and Osman II.
I have a sympathy for Selim. In the real life he was more likeable but even here in the series i can see why he does what he does. In Ottoman Empire its throne or death. And since Bayezid and Selim hated each other from the beginning there is no way that one of them would keep the other one alive despite the laws. He did it not only for himself but also for his kids and his wife.
This ring signifies love and Souleyman gave it to Hurrem as a sign of love and fidelity at their wedding. neither Nurbanu nor Safyie deserves this ring. Kosem had at least the respect of the wore when Murat became Sultan and not when Safiye died. Kosem wore the ring to signify his love for the Ottoman dynasty and his loyalty. Only Hurrem and Kosem had the chance to wear the crown and the ring. Turban stole this ring when Kosem died just like Nurbane stole the ring from Hurrem's coffin.
31:06 Suleiman got that scene in a jungle on hunting while Selim got in a luxurious palace while resting. Suleiman got the sword from a lion like Ibrahim, Selim got that from a penguin like Gazanfar Agha. It was not hard to predict the formal beginning of the decline.
@@TGuunn1Selim 2 was the first sultan to not lead on a war after 10 great sultans 😂😂. Coward. His rule caused corruption like it never did and he had no control over janissaries.
I feel a little sorry for Selim in this episode. He really suffers. In my opinion Süleyman was the only responsible person. He ordered the executions of Mustafa and Bayezid. And what is even worse, he ordered the executions of all these innocent grandsons. Killing his adult sons is terrible enough, but killing innocent children is absolutely disgusting and cruel (even in that time period).
Actually in the history Suleyman the Magnificent do these things, because his sons became rebelions. Mustafa had the love of the whole army, which made him danger for the throne. Suleyman the Magnificent has been part of the rebelion of his father Selim First against his grandfather Beyazid, when he has been still a prince. So, after Sultan Suleyman receives a letter in which is said that his son collect an army, he immideatelly sees an opportunity the history repeat itself. Do you understand? Even if Mustafa has no bad intensions, the fear has been planted already. The son of Mustafa is killed, because of the Janissaris rage against the Sultan. Beyazid from the other hand is something different. In the history Beyazid tryed to make a contract with Shah Tahmasp to take the throne from his father in exchange of peace between both empires, runs away in Persia and this is the reason he is executed, after Suleyman finds out about this from... Shah Tahmasp himself. Beyazid deffenetely hasn't expected the Presian Shah won't take this deal. This show is more fiction than historical accurate. All of his sons exept Gihangir and Mehmet has been in a war for his throne when he has been still alive. And he has been watching them doing it in front of his eyes.
@@nikichkaaa Thank you very much for your detailed response. From a historic and a "non-emotional" point of view, you are right. But I can't help myself. In my view it is simply cruel to kill those innocent children. They have done nothing and nobody could know if they rebel one day or not. But they were condemned anyway just because of the fear of the sultan. This is simply not right in my view and there must be people during that area who protested against or at least discussed such kind of "custom", don't you think.
Upon the succession of a new Sultan, all his brothers were executed. It didn't matter if they were 40 or 4 months. If any concubines were pregnant, they were killed too. It seems cruel but that's how it was in those days. A brother could be set up as a rival and be a focal point for future revolts. Sometimes 30 or more coffins would leave the palace upon the succession of a new sultan.
@@anneb4160while they were children, yes, seems cruel, but sooner or later they would become grown males and able to press their claims to the throne or someone else would make them puppets
LOL you're right.. Even when she confronted mihrimah as an old lady she blamed Suleman for everything.. She should have moved on.. She made me dislike her she reminds me of Meghan Markle hhhhh
But don't forget that she didn't blame anyone without knowing the truth, because my friend the truth is whatever happens or happened. It was Syleiman who prefered Hurrem instead of Mahidevran, it was himself who made a slave so much arrogant, it was the one who killed his family, because he was fearing of a betrayal, which it was not real, first Ibrahim Pasha, then his sons, Mustafa and Beyazid, his grandsons, he broke his promises and he had been this arrogant that he always swore that he would never been. Are you saying that Mahidevran was telling lies about all these? Are you saying that Syleiman was innocent, completely innocent of what had happened? Wasn't Syleiman who was the main responsible for all the suffers that Hafsa Ayse Sultana, Hatice, Ibrahim, Mustafa, Sah Sultana, Mahidevran and all the family had been through? For all those who doubt about that Syleiman was good, they doing wrong, even today, that many admire him of what had done. What had he done? Nothing. He conquered some lands, big deal. All kings do that. What else? He loved a concubine, who thought that she could make a king her slave. All people were in love, will be in love or be in love, there is nothing so special in this. This is why he was "Magnificent"? Because he fell in love with a woman? All people love sometime. Or maybe he was Magnificent , because he killed his family for the power, throne and wealth? For temporary things, he sacrifised all his family. Shame. He wasn't Magnificent, he was a tyrant, who deserved all that happened to him. In all the episodes, the opposite had happened, it wasn't Mahidevran's fault, it was Syleiman's faults, that all his family had been through many misfortunes, because of him. He made it himself and he destroyed both himself and others (being king that doesn't means that can destroy the family and their lives, means that he wasn't just or kanuni, what kind of justice is this, decide the fate of the people, God is the only one who can take such decisions, the people can't do this to other people. If they do, this is tyrany, fasism, arrogance, conceit, anger and egoism). If he was a good man, than a good padishah, he wouldn't been all alone at the time of his death and he would have someone to take care of him, instead of lying there all alone, by himself, at his deathbed. It isn't truth that all people live just like they live in their lives, because Hurrem and Syleiman were the only responsibles for the fate of Mahidevran, Mustafa, Beyazid. Now Selim tells to Mihrimah without having any respect. He is no talking to a child anymore, he is talking to a Sultana, Mihrimah Sultana and above all to his own Valide Sultana, because he was useless in order to rule the empire, means that Mihrimah was the one who ruled the empire. He may became the Sultan of the world, but he wasn't something special, he was a fracitide. Mihrimah was right, he was truly a murderer of his own brother. At least, Mihrimah had reason to help her mother to get rid of Mustafa, he wanted to protect Beyazid. Besides, neither Mihrimah expected from her father to kill his son Mustafa, so why Selim said that to his sister? Why he is blaming her? Because he wanted to protect her brother Beyazid? At least, Mihrimah tried to protect him, meanwhile Selim tried to protect only himself, to protect his existance for the throne and so he tried countless times to get rid of Beyazid. That's the main difference between them, between Selim and Mihrimah.
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@@dionysiossmaragdis2844 No ruler is innocent. They live with the decisions they have made and they do the best with God’s help to lead their people. All the people who surrounded Suleiman were ambitious and greedy. A ruler does what they must and lives with the consequences. Suleiman is remembered yet today and Hurrem changed the world by being more than any woman before her. The Magnificent Century is a dramatized show and not accurate to what really happened in many ways. You can try to say that Suleiman was harsh and cruel but I choose to believe he was decisive, intelligent and truly magnificent.
@@favimoustaka1157 no ,mehmed die because of bayezid! He was impulsive,naive and a bit stupid! Make wrong decisions and in This game you live or you die! If nurbanu dint killed mehmed,her Son's life was in danger,so i understand why She did that ( sorry for my English)
Actually in real life they got along and Mirhimah supported Selim. Even gave him money. This was just all drama. She likely knew how the game was played and Selim had won for the moment. What would be the point in antaginizing him. He was her only family left at that point too.
And also Safiye hatun was gifted to Murad by her cousin Humashah sultan (shezade mehmet only daughter not to be confused by her cousin Ayse Humashah Mirimah Daughter)
Mihrimah just like Mahidevran neva accepted her sins against Mustafa atleast Selim accepted everything but Mihrimah still behaving like she was an innocent saint just how she trapped Mustafa , her most beloved brother died cz of the same reason.
Finally, someone told this! Surely, someone else would say that, Mihrimah had to do this, to protect her brothers and mother, but the fact doesn't change: she put her hand on Mustafa's death and behave like she was innocent!!
12:13 Ha! He is your brother,girl. However,you curse him every night. If you think you make your mother proud,no,you make her anything but proud. He can sleep with his brother's blood on his hands,yes,because the prince was supposed to survive in order to take the throne. A sultana like you doesn't need to worry for her life. Selim has a quality that it's well hiden:patience. Bayazid always said: Face me! Man,as long as Suleiman is alive,you can't do whatever you want. And Selim it's right,Mihrimah has her half's brother blood on her hands,so she is not innocent neither.
Nurbanu viiperrrr- most hated in series and in history too. When she died people celebrated in Otttomans empire and even in Venetia and Genua. No one loved her except Murad.
Nurbanu always lied Selim, used him for power. She was worst in dynasty. And then we have Hurrem and Suleiman- loyal and loving husband and wife, who always supported and loved each other.
I think Nurbanu is the most hated and disliked character in the whole series....At least selim, hurrem everyone had grief of killing closed ones...but Nurbanu is like the cheapest one...
Entrance of Murad III: Mihrimah told him that she remember Bayezid in him XD. Yes girl you are right they are both irresponsable due to the number of sons they gave and without their mother support did not seem very smart to me( Bayezid without Hurrem is dead in three seconds, and with Nurbanu death Murad became less and less popular).
No Murad was unpopular because he literally never left his palace. You can tell just by looking at how many children he had. Occasionally he would decide to leave for Friday prayers but backed out in the last second because he was scared of Janissary revolts 🤦♂sounds like a great ruler.
@@hussainsultanzada6123 Hey it's been a while :) While I am agree with you I only want underline the common point between Bayezid and Murad III who without their mothers do not go very far in success and rely too much on them (yes for the prayers it was Nurbanu who led them instead of his son but in fact he did not was not hated when she was alive because she made sure to fix his mistakes, they did several tasks like listening to the grievances of the subjects I believe, she took care of diplomacy, etc...). While she was there, Murad had little to fear, but when she died he became increasingly unpopular. Same in a way for Bayezid, if Suleiman was more tolerant of his mistakes which was more serious than Mustafa it was partly because Hurrem was protecting him when she died, there was no one enough. important to protect him from Suleiman (historical Rustem and Mihrimah tried but failed). Mehmed IV will make the same mistake as Bayezid and Murad III, as soon as his mother died he became increasingly unpopular and was eventually deposed. But I am agreed with you Murad had never been a good ruler.
@@hussainsultanzada6123 In fact it is true about Nurbanu She personally attended at public prayers because Murad didn't do that (yes normally it's up to the Sultan to do it that's why it was unusual for the Valide to do it but as Murad III refuse to do that his mother replace him, it saved him from unpopularity until she died) If you want I can told my sources to corroborate that Nurbanu personally attended the prayer. Yes it's been too long but you have your reasons but I am glad that you are here :)
I'm so glad that Selim put Mihrimah-(the spoilt brat) on her place. She forgot what she did to Mustafa(but of course she didn't count him as her brother). And if Bayezid ascended the throne,that wouldn't made him a brother murderer? She didn't care about Selim too like Mustafa. Mihrimah is the worst character ever in MC.
Hahahahahahahaha! You and your faaake accounts! Mihrimah put Selim in his place! Mustafa was not her brother and she doesn’t have to love him. Bayazid and Selim were her brothers bottttt
Hi Nurbanu’s bot again! 🤣🤣 Your another fake account! Mustafa is not Mahidevran’s brother. Selim and Bayazid are brothers. Don’t compare traitor mustafa to Selim or Bayazid!
@@ramn_bennington Selim was not stupid. He was a incompetent sultan but he was smart enough to keep low profile under the rule of his father long enough to become the only remaining prince.
@@JustSomeSlavicBoy bro are you mad that he is so smart bla bla .You why jenisseries are not supporting Selim in the first on the battle field because he is alway drunk.He is messed up in that type of drunky thing.Thats the reason that when he bacame sultan after that the fall of the empire is started.....
You can have both you know. Just because one wants power, doesn't mean they don't possess the ability to love. Both Nurbanu and Mahidevran may have been greedy and ambitious fools, but they still loved their children
She was a girl with ambition and she didn't want to live a meaningless life At that time this was the only way for a woman to reach the top If you don't have ambition you can't reach the top She didn't want a life of sadness and loneliness at harem
He had the class not to slap her back. Only the ones triggered by the truth use violence. Anyways, she can slap him how much she wants - he is still a sultan and she the loser!
Selim was right to Mihrimah.She acted all innocent while she planned the end of Mustafa along with Hürrem yet she got away witb it.I'm so happy Nurbanu proved more capable Sultana than her.
Selim and Mihrimah likes to guilt trip each other when deep down both are pathetic. Selim knows and even admits why Mustafa’s death was necessary. Fratricide was inevitable for both sides, Mihirmah wanted as many siblings to be saved while Selim just wanted to survive but in order to do he had to abandon his siblings before they abandon him. No one is innocent in palace.
But Mihrimah was Valide Sultana, not Nurbany. And why she was Valide Sultana? Because Selim II was useless as a Sultan, he couldn't rule the state, so that's why Mihrimah ruled the empire. That's why it was called "Saltanate of women". Because Mihrimah was first in line (if she wasn't first in line, then second in line). The things have as they have. Selim wasn't a good Sultan, Mustafa and Beyazid would be better Sultans than him for sure.
Mihrimah saved Selim many times that's why she was Valide I Saîde (Harem's director or manager) Historically...she gave money to his brother so he could pay his debts to the army
Poor Defne you do your best but finally you lost ( it's not her fault she was a concubine of a irresponsable Bayezid). But Like everyone else I was dissatisfied with the way Suleiman's children were portrayed. I propose an alternative version tell me what you think: instead of writers I would have added Suleiman's children he had when he was sehzade with his other concubines before he became Sultan and met Hurrem and then had them die of the plague as it was historically. Sehzade Mustafa- I would keep his child personality except he is not close to his siblings (because of the fratricidal law) and I wouldn't put him close to Ibrahim at least until he becomes an adult and allied himself with him, I would let his mother take care exclusively of his education. A young man who craves recognition and attention from his father who often neglects him in return over his other children due to the fact that Mahidevran is the Sultan's least beloved concubine. The more he becomes an adult and especially a father, the more he resents his father because of the way he treats his mother and him. He does not really understand his father and therefore his fears due to the fact that he did not grow up close to him. I would keep his efficient heir personality because he performs very well despite his father never teaching him well becauseof his mother who is a very good advisor. Instead of doing something for his military glory or showing off his harem too much I would focus on how he improves the lives of common people exhausted by too much conquest. I would make his guilt very ambiguous, at the start it is clear that he wants to wait for his father to die to have the throne and restore his mother's honor, however he realizes that his father lets his vizier lead his life impossible to see even encourages him, does not hide that he preferred to have a son of Hurrem on the throne no matter what Mustafa will do. Following this the sehzade wants to have a second plan like his grandfather in case Suleiman wants to abdicate in favor of another of his sons which would put him in danger (which could explain the Venetian correspondence, others say that it was a plan to prevent his brothers from escaping if one day he became Sultan) but hesitates to actually carry it out, then after some hesitation goes to his father's tent and gets strangled. Instead of doing Atmaca, I would focus on Mustafa's son-in-law, Nergissah's husband who started as Rustem's ally and becomes his most loyal supporter. So I would avoid making a treacherous Sehzade, his mistakes would be understanding, but it wouldn't be a pure white Sehzade. Sehzade Mehmed: it's more complicated for him because he died without having proven himself in a complicated province like Amasya, so it's quite difficult to make a comparison with Mustafa. But I would make sure to give him a real personality: initially close to some of his brothers like Selim and Bayezid, he becomes, despite his mother, more distant towards them because of the fratricide (Mehmed II had therefore legalized it there is not much way to escape from it at the time unlike MCK) although he is very close to Cihangir and his sister. Unlike Mustafa, his father trained him in the regency of the palace and he did very well by dint of advice and practice. When he is sent to the provinces, he often listens to his mother's advice when she visits him. Knowing that he has the support of the statesmen against Mustafa he realizes knowing his father better than his half brother that he will have to play the role of the obedient sehzade not interested in politics although deep down he prepare for it. He has the happiness of being a father but dies immediately afterwards. Mihrimah Sultan- I would make sure to respect the historical Hurrem who wants her daughter to have a marriage of love and happiness. However Suleiman prefers Rustem, and she accepts him immediately because she will do everything to save her brothers and convince her mother to accept this marriage. I would rather show her as a politician as well as her diplomatic relations. However I would underline the unjust side of Suleiman, he had Mustafa executed and condemned Mahidevran to poverty but refuses to punish Mihrimah by banishing her because she would have helped Bayezid financially during his rebellion. Their relationship would be cold for a time before reconciling. She will be reconciled with her brother Selim because basically they only remain and will be an ally of Nurbanu. Sehzade Abdullah- I would have included him even if he died very young Sehzade Selim- Initially a cultured young man very focused on charity work like his mother and sister and very sober. Nevertheless it is often sad due to the law of fratricide. When Mustafa dies, he realizes he has a chance to escape it and he will fight in a wicked way especially for his son Murad because he knows that Bayezid's temper will put him in danger besides fratricide. He knew how recruit powerful and efficient state members. He is on the whole an obedient sehzade but who is disgusted with his father's treatment of Mahidevran (after all she is no longer a threat to him she no longer has a son) and who will take risks to her by helping her financially. As the hardships go on, his depression increases he drinks more and more especially after his sister takes the part of Bayezid, that his brother Bayezid dies, and the fact that he is obliged to make other sons in the case where Murad dies without an heir which means that he knows that his other sons will be condemned to death. He has become a broken leader although he makes sure there is effective governance Sehzade Bayezid- Him complicated. Due to his explosive temper he is the black sheep of his siblings (Mustafa does not count since he is a half brother, they do not even know each other) and the most incompetent of Suleiman's sons and Suleiman is worry because he has inherited the worst faults of Selim Yavuz (without having had his qualities). Yet deep down he wants affection and that's why he has several children even if it's irresponsible, his mother favors him because she's afraid for him. Mihrimah comes to his aid only in memory of his mother, because deep down she prefers Selim, Bayezid knows this, which means that he hardly listens to her. She only helps him financially as a last resort because she couldn't convince him to call off the rebellion. Suleiman was more lenient to his mistakes that Mustafa until the point that he took refugee to the Shah. Sehzade Cihangir- A cultured young man very close to his parents and very sick. I would make him a supporter of Selim because although he is close to him, he also knows that he is his only chance of survival because he is not close to Bayezid at all. He often sends information from the Palace to Selim to better aid him in managing his province and at times advises him to be more ruthless in his quest for the throne while remaining an obedient sehzade. It would therefore be a good adviser for Selim (and it would give him more personality). And that's how I would portray them if I were in the place of the screenwriters, they are all very nuanced (we avoid all white or all black), we can freely pick a favorite without trying to favor another sehzade at all costs and I try to be consistent with what we know about them. And what do you think about it? Will you modify or delete things in this scenario?
nd hurrem help her family gain title when she was in the palace mirhmah help German ambassador to help someone release nd about 1553 her health was not good she take lot of stress also bayezid death. bt mirhmah was very wealthy cause rustem also leave good fortune for her. she advice her father to take Malta bt the campaign was disaster. she leave 1/3 of the fortune to her children.
I agree about the relationship between Mustafa and his half siblings.They weren't clouse irl. The historical Mihrimah and Cihangir were more interested than in the series.Also i agree about Mustafa and Mahidevran in everything,you had write. It will be good if they show Hurrem more powerful(season 1,2,3) as she was.Season 4 of Hurrem is somehow accurate, than the previous seasons.They should also included Suleiman's children as prince,and Sehzade Abdullah too(Hurrem's son).
@@sreedevipushpakrishnan1188 It is kind of you to take my defence thank you:) But the best thing to do against theses bots and their harrassements is to ignore them as we can't delete them in my opinion.
And Mirrimah is a evil manipulative witch for acting like she didn’t contribute to Mustapha’s death . Accusing Selim of Fractcide but not facing her father for his orders & her warlock husband Rutsem for his path . A lot of you Hurrrem fanatics are just incapable of understanding other people’s stances.
suleiman nd selim write poems nd they have username also. Suleiman was muhibbi nd selim was selîmî he write good poem for nurbanu. selim is also know like a sultan architect.
25:51 In seine Stelle, Bayazid hätte sich nicht so viele Gedanken über Selim Gemacht, geschweige von schlechte Gewissen wegen Fratricid. Das frühere Behnemen von Bayazid ( Abwertungen/ bittere Feindschaft/Hass/ Morddrohungen) ließ Selim keinen Zweifel in Bezug auf eigene Zukunft, falls Bayazid gewinnen würde.
no one know sure who give Safiye. they say she was humasha daughter of Mirhimah servant, they say Ferhat pasha give her to murat nd they also say she educate in Ferhat pasha household nd give her to the palace nd nurbanu select her to murad in Manisa.
sultan selim was a drunkard and not participated in wars but in his descendants sultans like sultan ahmad, sultan murad 4 and sultan abdul hameed were born who were greatest of sultans after sultan mehmed faiteh and sultan sulaiman.
Abdul Hameed? Which one? the first abdul hammed or the second one? Both oversaw reigns when the ottomans lost signifnicant territories. Abdul Hameed II also instigated a dictatorship that culled any and all progress or reforms in the empire as well as leaving the imperial navy to rot in the bosphorous. I would hardly call either great when Sultan Mehmet II literally conquered THE capital city, Constantinople amongst other things and built up the institutions of the empire, transitioning them from a feudal-military state to a burecratic centralized empire. Sultan suleiman wasn't as personally great as Mehmet II but he was still great nontheless. Neither Sultan Ahmet, nor Sultan Murad IV can hold a finger to them but they would be better still than the Abdul Hameeds.
Why would you say something like this? He was a drunkard and a disgrace to his father's memory!!!! Mehmed would be a much better ruler than Selim!!!!!!
Selim was a good Sultan he was peaceful and did lot of charity work he doesn't want to see anymore war and bloodshed Ottoman Empire declined after losing WW1
Bagaiman pun saya tetap suka dengan mahidevran. Dia dapat membesarkan anak menjadi anak yang baik dan disayangi ramai. Sulaiman tak seharusnya biarkan Mahidevran setelah ada Hurrem
Nurbanu and Sayfe (sp?) We're the first ottoman women i ever read about in some raunchy historical romance novel by Beatrice Small i snuck out of the library when i was 13. I have that absurd novel to thank for sparking the The unquenchable thirst for Ottoman History lol
Oh my god...I didn't see the episodes after change of Meryem.. I saw important scenes here and there like Mustafa's last day, Mahidevran and Suleiman's conversation, Fatma being sent out, Gulfem's death and a minute scene where Bayezid pleads to leave his children but I couldn't watch more of it.. My heart really aches thinking if the old episode where Hurrem raised in power after going thru a lot.. They killed her innocence and made her brutal, but all she did was in vain as her own Children are no more, everyone she loved are no more and Suleiman her only love is struggling and suffering everyday.. Her own Children are fighting each other and have killed the other.. This is no Victory.. A happy ending or peace to all or atleast the most is the real happy ending..The script could have been better..
Nubanu wearing Hurrem's ring really made me mad....especially when she had a servant take it from Hurrem's dead body for herself. Even when Selim found out about it...he did nothing. (it was Hurrem's wish to be buried with that emerald ring, the ring Sueliman made with his own hands for her.
No matter what people say, selim deserved the throne most. He know how to survive while being the prince of a mighty conqueror. Mustafa was always fighting a loosing battle against his conscience and eventually lost his life. Bayezid was irrationally harsh and unwise.
Nurbanu should of just collected the girl and acted like a mentor/mother to her, kinda kill her with kindness thing. Work best she can to have her switch sides. She could of really kept things in order if she had.
Spoilers if you don't have read GRR Martin books or seeing house of the dragon there will be the end so don't read it: Both in the show and history Selim make me think of Aegon III. A ruler broken by all tragedy, he is a decent ruler ( not a beast political ruler like some of his predecessors or sucessors or his brother Mustafa just like Aegon III) , but too much broken for ruler totally hismef even if he assure to have very good councelor. Who think it just the same comparison. In fact to be honest I have only two criticisms to make of historical Selim II: the first although having made sure that his vizier was brilliant to withdraw and let him manage almost all the affairs although he did not hesitate to intervene if necessary. I understand that he was going through hard times but a ruler must try to overcome all his misfortunes to govern properly (Elizabeth I also had a lot of tragedies throughout her life and yet never retired and is remained always present and very effective), the most frustrating thing is that he seemed to be able to succeed when he intervened because his decisions were good in this case. The second most serious, start offering concessions to the janissaries who will want to get involved in politics later (when the military gets involved in political affairs it's never good, it's one of the great causes of the fall of the Ottoman Empire, the fact that the French revolution was destroyed and almost France with this criminal and dictator of Napoleon, and for that I am less sure it caused the fall of the Roman Empire according to some people so correct me if it is wrong) Entrance of the mythical Safiye. But I don't why there is always hate on Nubranu in the show she gain the right to be successor of Hurrem and in history she was a efficient Valide. She help a lot Selim, she was popular ( when she died her death was cry on Istanbul) and help a lot Murad. With her death Murad became less popular ( just like Turhan and Mehmed IV). Some blame the women of SOW to be the fall of empire Ottoman btu in fact they helped a lot to try to maintain the Ottoman Empire and their sultans (I'm thinking of Hurrem, Nurbanu, Handan, Kosem and Turhan) even though Safiye helped contribute to the decline of the Ottoman Empire and Halime was not able to properly manage the Ottoman Empire, if there was a significant decline it was for different reasons.
contemporary historian divided some say its fault of grand vizier nd accept that Valide at the time are more responsible like Mustafa Ali of Gallipoli. nd other say its because mostly the valide fault bt they always say the name of 3 women that start the decline : Hurrem Safiye kosem, historian like Ahmet Akgündüz say this in the work like: this bad period started by the trio of Hurrem Safiye nd Kosem. nurbanu was very good in politic nd people don't like to say that bt the empire was at the pick when nurbanu was here. people dont know this bt during 10 year of kosem she change 8 vizier nd 10 treasurer. turhan stable the empire again.
Selim is considered as worst sultan,but that's far from reality.Mainly,because he didn't go and lead a campaign,and because of his drinking .There are various reasons why he didn't start a campaign,and he wasn't apolitical at all,and didn't let Sokolu to rule the empire,during his reign.He was bad sultan,but not a worst,as some said. Those who said that Nurbanu and Turhan should not be included in SOW,and that they were weak, have no knowledge of Ottoman history. This is influenced by the series and fake pages on the Internet. Same for Handan. Some said that Ahmed had order to kill her,and she was weak,or that she had kill herself. All of this is influenced by the series. MC and MCK are not historically accurate series,but some people don't understand that, and spread fake informations.
@@drfhgs428 I think that Selim II was a decent ruler ( not a beast political like his grandfather or like his half brother Mustafa). But he was very depressed and even if I am agree with you he wasn't a apolitical but he was too much broken to the point that he let a lot Sokollu make decision even if Selim interven if necessary or will always watch up his actions. Oh I read a lot of pages falses : Mahidevran was evil and weak, Hurrem was a devil, Nurbanu, Ayse, Handan and Turhan were weak, Kosem was evil,,etc... This is what happens when you rely solely on manga or series instead of taking the time to consult serious historians or serious historical sites
@@drfhgs428 i agrre. Sokullu nd nurbanu rule the empire nd selim make big decisions too nd also there was campaign in his reign. Handan was first coregent. Contrary she was very smart. she have 2 other son selim first son die 20 April 1597 nd suleyman die also. she is different to halime cause she have no problem with safiye cause she want to protect her children. A rumor say she have hand in Mahmud death the prince to halime.
The worst sultan the start of the decline of the othmans Selim facing mitimah he knew the truth like all others How funny that the one an only hier sulyman choice and the only surviving son is not in the divan but his son Sulyman realised too late his wrong choice when he had no other one else
Selim was a good Sultan he was peaceful and did lot of charity work he doesn't want to see anymore war and bloodshed Ottoman Empire declined after losing WW1
The show high lights the political intrigue and conflict within Court Modern man has to learn lessons from history how cruel was autocracy Support democratic systems human rights
I hate Nurbany, but I like Mahidevran. Between them, I like Mahidevran. Because Mahidevran was the true hero, he lived seperated from her beloved, she lost her son, she lived in poverty in Bursa, where her son and grand-son are lying, she built their shrines and made charities for her son's happiness (even if he was no longer in life), she spent all her life in Bursa and she never returned to the palace, because she prefered to live all alone, than going back to these filthy traitors and the most painful, she lived another 28 years, after her son's execution, which had been ordered by her beloved, the father of her son Mustafa, her husband, Syleiman.
Why nurbanu and her childrens are not giving a regards to Mihrimah sultana? where's the manner?It different from the past generation of valide's era, all of the harem being polite and always greeted a regards to Hatice the daughter of Valide even princes. I think nurbanu can't teach the prince and princess well. She to arrogant being next queen consort. No wonder in real history after the death of Suleyman the ottoman empire become weak. Finally, the Ottoman Empire ended and started a new country with a presidential system. Bye bye throne
Mihrimah talking about Selim being a villain always gets me lmao😂 like girl, be for real now everyone in the palace is technically a villain
Mihrimah, herself in not that innocent....
Hurrem once said to Mihrimah
"Every Person in this palace is devil"
@TheHabibi333 they searched for an excuse in order to kill many people, first Pargali Ibrahim, then Mustafa, now Beyazid. Syleiman said once to Hurrem: " I must go to war. And don't be afraid. I will returt. After all, this is important. After all, I don't invented war". A) I wanted him to die, so his family would be alive now and B) yes, you maybe didn't invent war, but you didn't do something in order to stop it. Because rope doesn't has one edge, if you pushing it, the other will push it too. So neither Hurrem, nor Syleiman should act like this. They were trying all the time to have an excuse in order to kill innocent people, instead of trying to get along with people and discuss with their with peace. He never learned to discuss with dialogue, only with sword and cannons and killing. Now die, Syleiman, so the next time you will be born, that you will be more careful of what you are saying, of what you are doing and that a human doesn't act like a God.
Both her and Hürrem always favored Bayezid though, so I'm not really surprised
Süleyman suffered from bad conscience quietly but he was too proud to admit his mistakes.
@dionysiossmaragdis2844 Beyezid 2,Suleimans grand father was the most peaceful sultan but Suleiman learned nothing from him.
Mihrimah forgets (and that is what always annoyed me) that her life and her children's lives were secure. Selim (and all his brothers) didn't just worry for their lives but for their sons as well. Of course, you love your children more than your brothers. They are your primary responsibility!
Not to mention Mihrimah is a giant hypocrite because she had a hand in Mustafa's death.
Even though I don't like Selim but here, I agree with his words. Mihirimah has no right to insult or curse selim for killing beyazid when she herself was so much responsible for Mustafa's death. And now, she feels the wrath of selim. She sacrificed her life so her brothers could achieve the throne but she will have to live with the guilt and pain for rest of her life.
The funny thing is in real life he said if the throne didn't mean my life I wouldn't want it. Selim never wanted the throne. Which is why Sulimon let him live.
Really???
And that was his fault. Letting the wicked to gain power on a gold plate
He said it in the series too.
Safiye Sultan amazingly lived through and survived the reigns of seven sultans: Suleiman the Magnificent, Selim II, Murad III, Mehmed III, Ahmed I, Mustafa I and Osman II.
I have a sympathy for Selim. In the real life he was more likeable but even here in the series i can see why he does what he does.
In Ottoman Empire its throne or death. And since Bayezid and Selim hated each other from the beginning there is no way that one of them would keep the other one alive despite the laws.
He did it not only for himself but also for his kids and his wife.
I love selim. One who stands for his wife and son🎉
This ring signifies love and Souleyman gave it to Hurrem as a sign of love and fidelity at their wedding. neither Nurbanu nor Safyie deserves this ring. Kosem had at least the respect of the wore when Murat became Sultan and not when Safiye died. Kosem wore the ring to signify his love for the Ottoman dynasty and his loyalty. Only Hurrem and Kosem had the chance to wear the crown and the ring. Turban stole this ring when Kosem died just like Nurbane stole the ring from Hurrem's coffin.
U have Great observation and great philosophy 👍
31:06
Suleiman got that scene in a jungle on hunting while Selim got in a luxurious palace while resting.
Suleiman got the sword from a lion like Ibrahim, Selim got that from a penguin like Gazanfar Agha.
It was not hard to predict the formal beginning of the decline.
Excellent observation 👌...Love the symbolism throughout the series..
Really?! Decline for whom?!🤦
Actually in the history Selim II were in the hunt when he found out Suleimans death but this show is full of lies
Thank GOD. SCREW THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE OF DEVSHIRME 🐒
@@TGuunn1Selim 2 was the first sultan to not lead on a war after 10 great sultans 😂😂. Coward. His rule caused corruption like it never did and he had no control over janissaries.
I feel a little sorry for Selim in this episode. He really suffers. In my opinion Süleyman was the only responsible person. He ordered the executions of Mustafa and Bayezid. And what is even worse, he ordered the executions of all these innocent grandsons. Killing his adult sons is terrible enough, but killing innocent children is absolutely disgusting and cruel (even in that time period).
Actually in the history Suleyman the Magnificent do these things, because his sons became rebelions. Mustafa had the love of the whole army, which made him danger for the throne. Suleyman the Magnificent has been part of the rebelion of his father Selim First against his grandfather Beyazid, when he has been still a prince. So, after Sultan Suleyman receives a letter in which is said that his son collect an army, he immideatelly sees an opportunity the history repeat itself. Do you understand? Even if Mustafa has no bad intensions, the fear has been planted already. The son of Mustafa is killed, because of the Janissaris rage against the Sultan. Beyazid from the other hand is something different. In the history Beyazid tryed to make a contract with Shah Tahmasp to take the throne from his father in exchange of peace between both empires, runs away in Persia and this is the reason he is executed, after Suleyman finds out about this from... Shah Tahmasp himself. Beyazid deffenetely hasn't expected the Presian Shah won't take this deal. This show is more fiction than historical accurate. All of his sons exept Gihangir and Mehmet has been in a war for his throne when he has been still alive. And he has been watching them doing it in front of his eyes.
@@nikichkaaa true
@@nikichkaaa Thank you very much for your detailed response. From a historic and a "non-emotional" point of view, you are right. But I can't help myself. In my view it is simply cruel to kill those innocent children. They have done nothing and nobody could know if they rebel one day or not. But they were condemned anyway just because of the fear of the sultan. This is simply not right in my view and there must be people during that area who protested against or at least discussed such kind of "custom", don't you think.
Upon the succession of a new Sultan, all his brothers were executed. It didn't matter if they were 40 or 4 months. If any concubines were pregnant, they were killed too. It seems cruel but that's how it was in those days. A brother could be set up as a rival and be a focal point for future revolts. Sometimes 30 or more coffins would leave the palace upon the succession of a new sultan.
@@anneb4160while they were children, yes, seems cruel, but sooner or later they would become grown males and able to press their claims to the throne or someone else would make them puppets
Everyone admitted their sins in series, everyone except Mahidevran. She only blamed others.
LOL you're right.. Even when she confronted mihrimah as an old lady she blamed Suleman for everything.. She should have moved on.. She made me dislike her she reminds me of Meghan Markle hhhhh
Hatice never admitted her sins either.
But don't forget that she didn't blame anyone without knowing the truth, because my friend the truth is whatever happens or happened. It was Syleiman who prefered Hurrem instead of Mahidevran, it was himself who made a slave so much arrogant, it was the one who killed his family, because he was fearing of a betrayal, which it was not real, first Ibrahim Pasha, then his sons, Mustafa and Beyazid, his grandsons, he broke his promises and he had been this arrogant that he always swore that he would never been. Are you saying that Mahidevran was telling lies about all these? Are you saying that Syleiman was innocent, completely innocent of what had happened? Wasn't Syleiman who was the main responsible for all the suffers that Hafsa Ayse Sultana, Hatice, Ibrahim, Mustafa, Sah Sultana, Mahidevran and all the family had been through? For all those who doubt about that Syleiman was good, they doing wrong, even today, that many admire him of what had done. What had he done? Nothing. He conquered some lands, big deal. All kings do that. What else? He loved a concubine, who thought that she could make a king her slave. All people were in love, will be in love or be in love, there is nothing so special in this. This is why he was "Magnificent"? Because he fell in love with a woman? All people love sometime. Or maybe he was Magnificent , because he killed his family for the power, throne and wealth? For temporary things, he sacrifised all his family. Shame. He wasn't Magnificent, he was a tyrant, who deserved all that happened to him. In all the episodes, the opposite had happened, it wasn't Mahidevran's fault, it was Syleiman's faults, that all his family had been through many misfortunes, because of him. He made it himself and he destroyed both himself and others (being king that doesn't means that can destroy the family and their lives, means that he wasn't just or kanuni, what kind of justice is this, decide the fate of the people, God is the only one who can take such decisions, the people can't do this to other people. If they do, this is tyrany, fasism, arrogance, conceit, anger and egoism). If he was a good man, than a good padishah, he wouldn't been all alone at the time of his death and he would have someone to take care of him, instead of lying there all alone, by himself, at his deathbed. It isn't truth that all people live just like they live in their lives, because Hurrem and Syleiman were the only responsibles for the fate of Mahidevran, Mustafa, Beyazid. Now Selim tells to Mihrimah without having any respect. He is no talking to a child anymore, he is talking to a Sultana, Mihrimah Sultana and above all to his own Valide Sultana, because he was useless in order to rule the empire, means that Mihrimah was the one who ruled the empire. He may became the Sultan of the world, but he wasn't something special, he was a fracitide. Mihrimah was right, he was truly a murderer of his own brother. At least, Mihrimah had reason to help her mother to get rid of Mustafa, he wanted to protect Beyazid. Besides, neither Mihrimah expected from her father to kill his son Mustafa, so why Selim said that to his sister? Why he is blaming her? Because he wanted to protect her brother Beyazid? At least, Mihrimah tried to protect him, meanwhile Selim tried to protect only himself, to protect his existance for the throne and so he tried countless times to get rid of Beyazid. That's the main difference between them, between Selim and Mihrimah.
@@dionysiossmaragdis2844 I could not help myself not to Praise you , this long comment proves that you are a good person ....Your comment needs hundreds of likes !
@@dionysiossmaragdis2844 No ruler is innocent. They live with the decisions they have made and they do the best with God’s help to lead their people. All the people who surrounded Suleiman were ambitious and greedy. A ruler does what they must and lives with the consequences. Suleiman is remembered yet today and Hurrem changed the world by being more than any woman before her. The Magnificent Century is a dramatized show and not accurate to what really happened in many ways. You can try to say that Suleiman was harsh and cruel but I choose to believe he was decisive, intelligent and truly magnificent.
So sad for Defne and her little son Mehmed.They suffered because of Bayezid.
@Leo Yes,that is also true.
Because of Bayazid- not because of Nurbany? Are we watching the same series?
YOU MUST SAID BECAUSE OF NURBAN BAYEZID WAS A GOOD MAN
@@favimoustaka1157 no ,mehmed die because of bayezid! He was impulsive,naive and a bit stupid! Make wrong decisions and in This game you live or you die! If nurbanu dint killed mehmed,her Son's life was in danger,so i understand why She did that ( sorry for my English)
@@leoswiftieHe died because of the stupid things he did
Actually in real life they got along and Mirhimah supported Selim. Even gave him money. This was just all drama. She likely knew how the game was played and Selim had won for the moment. What would be the point in antaginizing him. He was her only family left at that point too.
Right. Mihrimah was Valide sultan during Selim's sultanate, not Nurbanu.
And also Safiye hatun was gifted to Murad by her cousin Humashah sultan (shezade mehmet only daughter not to be confused by her cousin Ayse Humashah Mirimah Daughter)
Suleiman character is played so seamlessly by this wonderful actor! Bravo 👏
Mihrimah just like Mahidevran neva accepted her sins against Mustafa atleast Selim accepted everything but Mihrimah still behaving like she was an innocent saint just how she trapped Mustafa , her most beloved brother died cz of the same reason.
No just Mustafa but also his innocent son
Finally, someone told this! Surely, someone else would say that, Mihrimah had to do this, to protect her brothers and mother, but the fact doesn't change: she put her hand on Mustafa's death and behave like she was innocent!!
@@rosekoufopoulou8973 true. Nurbanu played the same game with Bayezid. So why they judge Nurbanu but not Hürrem and Mirimah?
Woww... Mihrima says selim was villain... Then what was she herself?? Another villain, plot maker and clever headed just like hurrem...
12:13 Ha! He is your brother,girl. However,you curse him every night. If you think you make your mother proud,no,you make her anything but proud. He can sleep with his brother's blood on his hands,yes,because the prince was supposed to survive in order to take the throne. A sultana like you doesn't need to worry for her life. Selim has a quality that it's well hiden:patience. Bayazid always said: Face me! Man,as long as Suleiman is alive,you can't do whatever you want. And Selim it's right,Mihrimah has her half's brother blood on her hands,so she is not innocent neither.
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Nurbanu viiperrrr- most hated in series and in history too. When she died people celebrated in Otttomans empire and even in Venetia and Genua. No one loved her except Murad.
None of what you said is even remotely true
Nurbanu always lied Selim, used him for power. She was worst in dynasty.
And then we have Hurrem and Suleiman- loyal and loving husband and wife, who always supported and loved each other.
❤❤❤
Oh yes CUz hurrem never lied😂
So loyal and loving that Suleiman cheated on her multiple times
Very true.. Well said... Totally agreed 💯
@@princess7jasmineHe eventually understood
I think Nurbanu is the most hated and disliked character in the whole series....At least selim, hurrem everyone had grief of killing closed ones...but Nurbanu is like the cheapest one...
Yessss I hate her 🙄
Yess, I too hate Nurbanu
Entrance of Murad III: Mihrimah told him that she remember Bayezid in him XD. Yes girl you are right they are both irresponsable due to the number of sons they gave and without their mother support did not seem very smart to me( Bayezid without Hurrem is dead in three seconds, and with Nurbanu death Murad became less and less popular).
That's true,hahaha.
No Murad was unpopular because he literally never left his palace. You can tell just by looking at how many children he had. Occasionally he would decide to leave for Friday prayers but backed out in the last second because he was scared of Janissary revolts 🤦♂sounds like a great ruler.
@@hussainsultanzada6123 Hey it's been a while :)
While I am agree with you I only want underline the common point between Bayezid and Murad III who without their mothers do not go very far in success and rely too much on them (yes for the prayers it was Nurbanu who led them instead of his son but in fact he did not was not hated when she was alive because she made sure to fix his mistakes, they did several tasks like listening to the grievances of the subjects I believe, she took care of diplomacy, etc...). While she was there, Murad had little to fear, but when she died he became increasingly unpopular. Same in a way for Bayezid, if Suleiman was more tolerant of his mistakes which was more serious than Mustafa it was partly because Hurrem was protecting him when she died, there was no one enough. important to protect him from Suleiman (historical Rustem and Mihrimah tried but failed). Mehmed IV will make the same mistake as Bayezid and Murad III, as soon as his mother died he became increasingly unpopular and was eventually deposed.
But I am agreed with you Murad had never been a good ruler.
@@nesiacha3659 yeah I know it's been too long. Great points made but I doubt Nurbanu would've led the prayers for men as it wasn't allowed
@@hussainsultanzada6123 In fact it is true about Nurbanu She personally attended at public prayers because Murad didn't do that (yes normally it's up to the Sultan to do it that's why it was unusual for the Valide to do it but as Murad III refuse to do that his mother replace him, it saved him from unpopularity until she died)
If you want I can told my sources to corroborate that Nurbanu personally attended the prayer. Yes it's been too long but you have your reasons but I am glad that you are here :)
I'm so glad that Selim put Mihrimah-(the spoilt brat) on her place.
She forgot what she did to Mustafa(but of course she didn't count him as her brother).
And if Bayezid ascended the throne,that wouldn't made him a brother murderer?
She didn't care about Selim too like Mustafa.
Mihrimah is the worst character ever in MC.
Hi Nurbanu’s bottt! Selim never put Mihrimah on her place, on the contrary. Go cryyy for traiitor mustafa, he is not Mihrimah’s brother.
Hahahahahahahaha! You and your faaake accounts! Mihrimah put Selim in his place! Mustafa was not her brother and she doesn’t have to love him. Bayazid and Selim were her brothers bottttt
Hi Nurbanu’s bot again! 🤣🤣 Your another fake account! Mustafa is not Mahidevran’s brother. Selim and Bayazid are brothers. Don’t compare traitor mustafa to Selim or Bayazid!
@Leo The worst royal blood Sultana in the show ? I dislike Mihrimah but did you forget Atike XD
@Leo So true XD
Selim is the next Sultan but Murad have more attitude🤣
until he gets enchanted by Safiye 😂
@@hussainsultanzada6123 well he is enchanted but Safiye but always still to be more intelligent of his father
@@ramn_bennington Selim was not stupid. He was a incompetent sultan but he was smart enough to keep low profile under the rule of his father long enough to become the only remaining prince.
@@JustSomeSlavicBoy in that yes but I talked about him as "Sultan" :)
@@JustSomeSlavicBoy bro are you mad that he is so smart bla bla .You why jenisseries are not supporting Selim in the first on the battle field because he is alway drunk.He is messed up in that type of drunky thing.Thats the reason that when he bacame sultan after that the fall of the empire is started.....
The only thing Nurbany wanted was throne and power, she never loved Selim. Always dreaming to become Valide Sultan. Lmaoo
She had no choice for survival of her family and Prince Selim
You can have both you know. Just because one wants power, doesn't mean they don't possess the ability to love. Both Nurbanu and Mahidevran may have been greedy and ambitious fools, but they still loved their children
@@hussainsultanzada6123 Nurbanu never loved Selim! She only wanted powerrr
She was a girl with ambition and she didn't want to live a meaningless life
At that time this was the only way for a woman to reach the top
If you don't have ambition you can't reach the top
She didn't want a life of sadness and loneliness at harem
She like all the women were kidnapped victims enslaved.
Don't you just love Nurbanu eyes almost popped out as soon as she learnt about Safiye :-)
Nur banu was giving very good advise to her daughters
13:30 The slap heard (& felt) 'round the world!!! 🌍 😮💖 I love Mirihmah! 🥰
But he told her the truth before that
13:30
He had the class not to slap her back. Only the ones triggered by the truth use violence. Anyways, she can slap him how much she wants - he is still a sultan and she the loser!
Selim was right to Mihrimah.She acted all innocent while she planned the end of Mustafa along with Hürrem yet she got away witb it.I'm so happy Nurbanu proved more capable Sultana than her.
Selim and Mihrimah likes to guilt trip each other when deep down both are pathetic. Selim knows and even admits why Mustafa’s death was necessary. Fratricide was inevitable for both sides, Mihirmah wanted as many siblings to be saved while Selim just wanted to survive but in order to do he had to abandon his siblings before they abandon him. No one is innocent in palace.
But Mihrimah was Valide Sultana, not Nurbany. And why she was Valide Sultana? Because Selim II was useless as a Sultan, he couldn't rule the state, so that's why Mihrimah ruled the empire. That's why it was called "Saltanate of women". Because Mihrimah was first in line (if she wasn't first in line, then second in line). The things have as they have. Selim wasn't a good Sultan, Mustafa and Beyazid would be better Sultans than him for sure.
Mihrimah saved Selim many times that's why she was Valide I Saîde (Harem's director or manager) Historically...she gave money to his brother so he could pay his debts to the army
@@chipmunkpark8826Nurbanu became Valide Sultan after Mihirmah and Selim died
@@dionysiossmaragdis2844but nurbanu was proved better valide sultan as Mihrimah.Must be the second most powerful after Kösem
I like him. He wasnt perfect but he was honest about it
Poor Defne you do your best but finally you lost ( it's not her fault she was a concubine of a irresponsable Bayezid). But Like everyone else I was dissatisfied with the way Suleiman's children were portrayed.
I propose an alternative version tell me what you think:
instead of writers I would have added Suleiman's children he had when he was sehzade with his other concubines before he became Sultan and met Hurrem and then had them die of the plague as it was historically.
Sehzade Mustafa- I would keep his child personality except he is not close to his siblings (because of the fratricidal law) and I wouldn't put him close to Ibrahim at least until he becomes an adult and allied himself with him, I would let his mother take care exclusively of his education. A young man who craves recognition and attention from his father who often neglects him in return over his other children due to the fact that Mahidevran is the Sultan's least beloved concubine. The more he becomes an adult and especially a father, the more he resents his father because of the way he treats his mother and him. He does not really understand his father and therefore his fears due to the fact that he did not grow up close to him. I would keep his efficient heir personality because he performs very well despite his father never teaching him well becauseof his mother who is a very good advisor. Instead of doing something for his military glory or showing off his harem too much I would focus on how he improves the lives of common people exhausted by too much conquest. I would make his guilt very ambiguous, at the start it is clear that he wants to wait for his father to die to have the throne and restore his mother's honor, however he realizes that his father lets his vizier lead his life impossible to see even encourages him, does not hide that he preferred to have a son of Hurrem on the throne no matter what Mustafa will do. Following this the sehzade wants to have a second plan like his grandfather in case Suleiman wants to abdicate in favor of another of his sons which would put him in danger (which could explain the Venetian correspondence, others say that it was a plan to prevent his brothers from escaping if one day he became Sultan) but hesitates to actually carry it out, then after some hesitation goes to his father's tent and gets strangled. Instead of doing Atmaca, I would focus on Mustafa's son-in-law, Nergissah's husband who started as Rustem's ally and becomes his most loyal supporter. So I would avoid making a treacherous Sehzade, his mistakes would be understanding, but it wouldn't be a pure white Sehzade.
Sehzade Mehmed: it's more complicated for him because he died without having proven himself in a complicated province like Amasya, so it's quite difficult to make a comparison with Mustafa. But I would make sure to give him a real personality: initially close to some of his brothers like Selim and Bayezid, he becomes, despite his mother, more distant towards them because of the fratricide (Mehmed II had therefore legalized it there is not much way to escape from it at the time unlike MCK) although he is very close to Cihangir and his sister. Unlike Mustafa, his father trained him in the regency of the palace and he did very well by dint of advice and practice. When he is sent to the provinces, he often listens to his mother's advice when she visits him. Knowing that he has the support of the statesmen against Mustafa he realizes knowing his father better than his half brother that he will have to play the role of the obedient sehzade not interested in politics although deep down he prepare for it. He has the happiness of being a father but dies immediately afterwards.
Mihrimah Sultan- I would make sure to respect the historical Hurrem who wants her daughter to have a marriage of love and happiness. However Suleiman prefers Rustem, and she accepts him immediately because she will do everything to save her brothers and convince her mother to accept this marriage. I would rather show her as a politician as well as her diplomatic relations. However I would underline the unjust side of Suleiman, he had Mustafa executed and condemned Mahidevran to poverty but refuses to punish Mihrimah by banishing her because she would have helped Bayezid financially during his rebellion. Their relationship would be cold for a time before reconciling. She will be reconciled with her brother Selim because basically they only remain and will be an ally of Nurbanu.
Sehzade Abdullah- I would have included him even if he died very young
Sehzade Selim- Initially a cultured young man very focused on charity work like his mother and sister and very sober. Nevertheless it is often sad due to the law of fratricide. When Mustafa dies, he realizes he has a chance to escape it and he will fight in a wicked way especially for his son Murad because he knows that Bayezid's temper will put him in danger besides fratricide. He knew how recruit powerful and efficient state members. He is on the whole an obedient sehzade but who is disgusted with his father's treatment of Mahidevran (after all she is no longer a threat to him she no longer has a son) and who will take risks to her by helping her financially. As the hardships go on, his depression increases he drinks more and more especially after his sister takes the part of Bayezid, that his brother Bayezid dies, and the fact that he is obliged to make other sons in the case where Murad dies without an heir which means that he knows that his other sons will be condemned to death. He has become a broken leader although he makes sure there is effective governance
Sehzade Bayezid- Him complicated. Due to his explosive temper he is the black sheep of his siblings (Mustafa does not count since he is a half brother, they do not even know each other) and the most incompetent of Suleiman's sons and Suleiman is worry because he has inherited the worst faults of Selim Yavuz (without having had his qualities). Yet deep down he wants affection and that's why he has several children even if it's irresponsible, his mother favors him because she's afraid for him. Mihrimah comes to his aid only in memory of his mother, because deep down she prefers Selim, Bayezid knows this, which means that he hardly listens to her. She only helps him financially as a last resort because she couldn't convince him to call off the rebellion. Suleiman was more lenient to his mistakes that Mustafa until the point that he took refugee to the Shah.
Sehzade Cihangir- A cultured young man very close to his parents and very sick. I would make him a supporter of Selim because although he is close to him, he also knows that he is his only chance of survival because he is not close to Bayezid at all. He often sends information from the Palace to Selim to better aid him in managing his province and at times advises him to be more ruthless in his quest for the throne while remaining an obedient sehzade. It would therefore be a good adviser for Selim (and it would give him more personality).
And that's how I would portray them if I were in the place of the screenwriters, they are all very nuanced (we avoid all white or all black), we can freely pick a favorite without trying to favor another sehzade at all costs and I try to be consistent with what we know about them. And what do you think about it? Will you modify or delete things in this scenario?
nd hurrem help her family gain title when she was in the palace mirhmah help German ambassador to help someone release nd about 1553 her health was not good she take lot of stress also bayezid death. bt mirhmah was very wealthy cause rustem also leave good fortune for her. she advice her father to take Malta bt the campaign was disaster. she leave 1/3 of the fortune to her children.
I agree about the relationship between Mustafa and his half siblings.They weren't clouse irl.
The historical Mihrimah and Cihangir were more interested than in the series.Also i agree about Mustafa and Mahidevran in everything,you had write.
It will be good if they show Hurrem more powerful(season 1,2,3) as she was.Season 4 of Hurrem is somehow accurate, than the previous seasons.They should also included Suleiman's children as prince,and Sehzade Abdullah too(Hurrem's son).
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And Mirrimah is a evil manipulative witch for acting like she didn’t contribute to Mustapha’s death . Accusing Selim of Fractcide but not facing her father for his orders & her warlock husband Rutsem for his path . A lot of you Hurrrem fanatics are just incapable of understanding other people’s stances.
Selim actor's acts are so perfect 🎉 in each frame.
suleiman nd selim write poems nd they have username also. Suleiman was muhibbi nd selim was selîmî he write good poem for nurbanu. selim is also know like a sultan architect.
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25:51 In seine Stelle, Bayazid hätte sich nicht so viele Gedanken über Selim Gemacht, geschweige von schlechte Gewissen wegen Fratricid. Das frühere Behnemen von Bayazid ( Abwertungen/ bittere Feindschaft/Hass/ Morddrohungen) ließ Selim keinen Zweifel in Bezug auf eigene Zukunft, falls Bayazid gewinnen würde.
no one know sure who give Safiye. they say she was humasha daughter of Mirhimah servant, they say Ferhat pasha give her to murat nd they also say she educate in Ferhat pasha household nd give her to the palace nd nurbanu select her to murad in Manisa.
sultan selim was a drunkard and not participated in wars but in his descendants sultans like sultan ahmad, sultan murad 4 and sultan abdul hameed were born who were greatest of sultans after sultan mehmed faiteh and sultan sulaiman.
Abdul Hameed? Which one? the first abdul hammed or the second one? Both oversaw reigns when the ottomans lost signifnicant territories. Abdul Hameed II also instigated a dictatorship that culled any and all progress or reforms in the empire as well as leaving the imperial navy to rot in the bosphorous. I would hardly call either great when Sultan Mehmet II literally conquered THE capital city, Constantinople amongst other things and built up the institutions of the empire, transitioning them from a feudal-military state to a burecratic centralized empire. Sultan suleiman wasn't as personally great as Mehmet II but he was still great nontheless. Neither Sultan Ahmet, nor Sultan Murad IV can hold a finger to them but they would be better still than the Abdul Hameeds.
30:00 Selim has enough of Nurbanu's blabling 😂
Well, I like her, but she doesnt know when to stop talking.
Nurbanus daughters kinda homely looking in my opinion. One even looked kinda manly. Definitely lucky to be sultanas... 😂😅
They have such a beautiful mother but they look like guys 😂😂
23:19 Fratricid or victim, only two option, but one curse. Soo sad!
The main actor resembles the actor
" Fahad Fazil " from Malayalam industry
Yeah I just saw now
Yeah I thought too
Long live sultan Selim
Why would you say something like this? He was a drunkard and a disgrace to his father's memory!!!!
Mehmed would be a much better ruler than Selim!!!!!!
@@unbaiat7837 between selim and Beyazid, Selim is better
Selim was a good Sultan he was peaceful and did lot of charity work he doesn't want to see anymore war and bloodshed Ottoman Empire declined after losing WW1
@@DimSK. there was also Mehmet. Why should always be Selim? Maybe Beyazid wasn't good, but there was Mehmet too, if Mustafa and Beyazid were bad.
@@dionysiossmaragdis2844 where did you see mehmed? It was Selim or beyazir
Bagaiman pun saya tetap suka dengan mahidevran. Dia dapat membesarkan anak menjadi anak yang baik dan disayangi ramai. Sulaiman tak seharusnya biarkan Mahidevran setelah ada Hurrem
Nurbanu and Sayfe (sp?) We're the first ottoman women i ever read about in some raunchy historical romance novel by Beatrice Small i snuck out of the library when i was 13.
I have that absurd novel to thank for sparking the The unquenchable thirst for Ottoman History lol
Nurbanu will also pay the price. Sufiya is going to destroy him and then sufiya sultan was destroyed by kosem and they cycle continue
Sultan Selim is Like Sabahatttin in Abdul Hameed Series 😢
26:55 if sultan is taking revenge of prince bayazeed with saleem then who is responsible for prince mustafa's killing
Since beginning Safiye crown was huge already 😂
Lmao Nurbanu looks like grandma here hahahaha!
thats the point
Totally wrong. Sultan Selim 2 always respected Princess Meharmah. He considered her as his mother.
Oh my god...I didn't see the episodes after change of Meryem.. I saw important scenes here and there like Mustafa's last day, Mahidevran and Suleiman's conversation, Fatma being sent out, Gulfem's death and a minute scene where Bayezid pleads to leave his children but I couldn't watch more of it.. My heart really aches thinking if the old episode where Hurrem raised in power after going thru a lot.. They killed her innocence and made her brutal, but all she did was in vain as her own Children are no more, everyone she loved are no more and Suleiman her only love is struggling and suffering everyday.. Her own Children are fighting each other and have killed the other.. This is no Victory.. A happy ending or peace to all or atleast the most is the real happy ending..The script could have been better..
All in the name of power....😮
Nubanu wearing Hurrem's ring really made me mad....especially when she had a servant take it from Hurrem's dead body for herself. Even when Selim found out about it...he did nothing. (it was Hurrem's wish to be buried with that emerald ring, the ring Sueliman made with his own hands for her.
Safiye Hatun....
Later Safiye Sultana in Magnificent Century : Kösem
With relatives like Selim I'd drink 🍷.
Long live valide hurrem sultan, long live valide mihrimah sultan!!!
Lol and safiye became the next devil 😅
I get weird toxic threeway vibes from Selim, Nurbanu, and Gazanfer.
Selim only survived because he had a very good wazir a azam Mehmet pasha
No matter what people say, selim deserved the throne most. He know how to survive while being the prince of a mighty conqueror. Mustafa was always fighting a loosing battle against his conscience and eventually lost his life. Bayezid was irrationally harsh and unwise.
He was being 8 years and then he death
He is number one in weakest ottman sultan list
No one is more deserving than mustafa, selim didnt even rule his grand vizier sokollu did
When she was a Venice woman she used to say that ... now she is saying safiye that this is not mandatory 😂
Nurbanu should of just collected the girl and acted like a mentor/mother to her, kinda kill her with kindness thing. Work best she can to have her switch sides. She could of really kept things in order if she had.
Selim married Nurbanu three years before his death. She waited a long time.
This Nurbanu is the worst!! 😡
Imagine being abducted from home so you can give birth and grow other countries majesty
Oooh look at Nurbanu imitating tv Hurrem😮😮
The 3 valide sultan in one scene
Sultan Selim sultanmihirmah and nurbanu series bhi banani thi safia ki life bhi dhikhni thi
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I think Selim was the least worthy of all the brothers.
the weakest and passive of all sons and that the only reason he won, with him it started the down fall of the Empire
Spoilers if you don't have read GRR Martin books or seeing house of the dragon there will be the end so don't read it:
Both in the show and history Selim make me think of Aegon III. A ruler broken by all tragedy, he is a decent ruler ( not a beast political ruler like some of his predecessors or sucessors or his brother Mustafa just like Aegon III) , but too much broken for ruler totally hismef even if he assure to have very good councelor. Who think it just the same comparison. In fact to be honest I have only two criticisms to make of historical Selim II: the first although having made sure that his vizier was brilliant to withdraw and let him manage almost all the affairs although he did not hesitate to intervene if necessary. I understand that he was going through hard times but a ruler must try to overcome all his misfortunes to govern properly (Elizabeth I also had a lot of tragedies throughout her life and yet never retired and is remained always present and very effective), the most frustrating thing is that he seemed to be able to succeed when he intervened because his decisions were good in this case.
The second most serious, start offering concessions to the janissaries who will want to get involved in politics later (when the military gets involved in political affairs it's never good, it's one of the great causes of the fall of the Ottoman Empire, the fact that the French revolution was destroyed and almost France with this criminal and dictator of Napoleon, and for that I am less sure it caused the fall of the Roman Empire according to some people so correct me if it is wrong)
Entrance of the mythical Safiye. But I don't why there is always hate on Nubranu in the show she gain the right to be successor of Hurrem and in history she was a efficient Valide. She help a lot Selim, she was popular ( when she died her death was cry on Istanbul) and help a lot Murad. With her death Murad became less popular ( just like Turhan and Mehmed IV). Some blame the women of SOW to be the fall of empire Ottoman btu in fact they helped a lot to try to maintain the Ottoman Empire and their sultans (I'm thinking of Hurrem, Nurbanu, Handan, Kosem and Turhan) even though Safiye helped contribute to the decline of the Ottoman Empire and Halime was not able to properly manage the Ottoman Empire, if there was a significant decline it was for different reasons.
contemporary historian divided some say its fault of grand vizier nd accept that Valide at the time are more responsible like Mustafa Ali of Gallipoli. nd other say its because mostly the valide fault bt they always say the name of 3 women that start the decline : Hurrem Safiye kosem, historian like Ahmet Akgündüz say this in the work like: this bad period started by the trio of Hurrem Safiye nd Kosem.
nurbanu was very good in politic nd people don't like to say that bt the empire was at the pick when nurbanu was here.
people dont know this bt during 10 year of kosem she change 8 vizier nd 10 treasurer. turhan stable the empire again.
Selim is considered as worst sultan,but that's far from reality.Mainly,because he didn't go and lead a campaign,and because of his drinking .There are various reasons why he didn't start a campaign,and he wasn't apolitical at all,and didn't let Sokolu to rule the empire,during his reign.He was bad sultan,but not a worst,as some said.
Those who said that Nurbanu and Turhan should not be included in SOW,and that they were weak, have no knowledge of Ottoman history. This is influenced by the series and fake pages on the Internet. Same for Handan. Some said that Ahmed had order to kill her,and she was weak,or that she had kill herself. All of this is influenced by the series.
MC and MCK are not historically accurate series,but some people don't understand that, and spread fake informations.
@@drfhgs428 I think that Selim II was a decent ruler ( not a beast political like his grandfather or like his half brother Mustafa). But he was very depressed and even if I am agree with you he wasn't a apolitical but he was too much broken to the point that he let a lot Sokollu make decision even if Selim interven if necessary or will always watch up his actions. Oh I read a lot of pages falses : Mahidevran was evil and weak, Hurrem was a devil, Nurbanu, Ayse, Handan and Turhan were weak, Kosem was evil,,etc...
This is what happens when you rely solely on manga or series instead of taking the time to consult serious historians or serious historical sites
@@drfhgs428 i agrre. Sokullu nd nurbanu rule the empire nd selim make big decisions too nd also there was campaign in his reign.
Handan was first coregent. Contrary she was very smart. she have 2 other son selim first son die 20 April 1597 nd suleyman die also. she is different to halime cause she have no problem with safiye cause she want to protect her children. A rumor say she have hand in Mahmud death the prince to halime.
Yup totally saw many similarities of HOTD and Muhtesem Yuzyil.
The worst sultan the start of the decline of the othmans
Selim facing mitimah he knew the truth like all others
How funny that the one an only hier sulyman choice and the only surviving son is not in the divan but his son
Sulyman realised too late his wrong choice when he had no other one else
I think the decline of the empire is more complicated than that.
Selim was a good Sultan he was peaceful and did lot of charity work he doesn't want to see anymore war and bloodshed Ottoman Empire declined after losing WW1
The daughters are ugly....surely they could have found prettier actresses.....
@@Midwest.. right
@@Midwest.. bot
The show high lights the political intrigue and conflict within Court
Modern man has to learn lessons from history how cruel was autocracy
Support democratic systems human rights
What this Series name ?
Nurbanu and Mahidevran were worst women of MC and most eviil. Love that everyone hates them.
I hate Nurbany, but I like Mahidevran. Between them, I like Mahidevran. Because Mahidevran was the true hero, he lived seperated from her beloved, she lost her son, she lived in poverty in Bursa, where her son and grand-son are lying, she built their shrines and made charities for her son's happiness (even if he was no longer in life), she spent all her life in Bursa and she never returned to the palace, because she prefered to live all alone, than going back to these filthy traitors and the most painful, she lived another 28 years, after her son's execution, which had been ordered by her beloved, the father of her son Mustafa, her husband, Syleiman.
Yup! I dont like these 2 women 😠
I like mehi
I still think Gulfem is a sneaky snake! Not at their level but still....
Safiye the valide in magnificent century kosem!
Why nurbanu and her childrens are not giving a regards to Mihrimah sultana? where's the manner?It different from the past generation of valide's era, all of the harem being polite and always greeted a regards to Hatice the daughter of Valide even princes.
I think nurbanu can't teach the prince and princess well. She to arrogant being next queen consort. No wonder in real history after the death of Suleyman the ottoman empire become weak. Finally, the Ottoman Empire ended and started a new country with a presidential system. Bye bye throne
Reality: Selim had to go to Belgrade secret way and he needed assistance of Mehmed Sokollu etc etc.
Assalamualaikum
Biggest mistake is Selim.
Hatice anneannem.. KAYITLAR VAR SOLAK değillerdi FİZİKSEL FARKLIYIZ!
Only legend sultan of ottoman is sultan Mehmet the conqueror.and sultan Osman 1st.
Whose son is Sultan Mehmad?
Shame on you Nurbano 🤮🤮🤮🤮
Ahí fue cuando Nurbanu me cayó re mal
There is no prince selim here
I hate nor banu🙄🙄😤😤
Nurbanu is a great thief .
Come again who gives sword to Selim ?
Nurbunu 😅
Very sad they dont deserved they are criminals
They became old in just 5 years
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Nurbanu....power hungry n desperate
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Allah lânet eylesin Amin
Burn Nurbanu
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AEIOU.