It really be like that though ive heard some guys trying to roleplay but some other guy decided to start doing that bend backward emote behind some other dude and it turned into us getting shelled
@@Overlord99762 actually meth was used to keep soldiers awake, during the war between Russia and Finland, a finnish soldier accidently ate a whole squad worth of meth.
If this game didn’t have voice chat it would’ve been forgotten long ago. But every round is so chaotic and unique because of the random chatter it’s endured.
@@noconnection1839 It does and has for a while, but it has a smaller and much more intense player base. People don't just fuck around to the same extent.
Pretty much what happens when unmarried women reach the age where they know they’ll never be married nor have children. Thus they set out to criticize everyone else to cope
@@kokomalt Didn't say they weren't chill, but they're analyzing it accurately for how it should be historically and the gamers just wanna have fun hehe.
We were holding the line, and my commander said, “The British never retreat!” He immediately got hit by an artillery shell, and I said, “Fuck that, I’m retreating!”
9:24 "wait, cavalry aren't supposed to be cannon fodder" - me playing total war napoleon and causing my cavalry to suffer 50% casualties in almost any major battle of note.
The fact that they're even able to keep their bearing while they're watching videos of a bunch of guys clipping out their microphones by yelling "Vive La France, oui oui baguette, ONHONHON" over and over again is the real statement of professionalism
I like that life expectancy doesn't mean shit, given simply high infant mortality rate greatly contributed to lower life expectancy, didn't mean that people magically were unlikely to live past a certain age
@@SStupendous yeah . People in those days were actually healthier if they were not sick or a had a disability . People today are more obese and have a lot of tooth problems and we have more illnesses today than before .
@@mercistephens7325 Nope .Obesity is a big problem today same with tooth issues. Did you just judge my comment or do you have actual research to prove im wrong? If you do then i will admit i was wrong
@@dude9318 Sweetie do you think obesity and tooth issues are the only diseases lol? Every since humans settled down into farming/pastoral communities they were racked with diseases like cholera, tuberculosis, and more. Shit that's easily treatable now put could've killed half the town in the past I mean people were dying from the common cold for ffs. In the Napoleonic era people didn't even know about the germ theory they thought that diseases came from "bad smells". Hell people in London were literally shitting where they drinked water? Infant mortality and mother mortality by extension was through the fucking roof. Oh and back to that comment about teeth issues. The reason why people have teeth issues is because of the high consumption of sugar, something that was prevalent during the Napoleonic era. So the difference you're trying to paint between people's teeth falls flat even there. So yes you're completely wrong lol.
@@rikacomedyletsplays2581 It has gameplay, though not filled with the kind of excitement gamers are used to. Like, say, delivering a package in a snowstorm that damage said product through snowy mountains while dodging enemies that are invisible since the baby you used to detect said enemies are out of commission, and your weapons and equipment are exhausted since you exhausted those dodging and fighting scavengers. Then not long after that, you get sucked into a time anomaly, where you are transported to a place where the souls who died in WWII are trapped fighting for all eternity, and the only way to get back is to fight a Spec Ops Veteran Ghost with skeleton squadmates that want to take your BB.
Just bought it for $8 on steam and I must say after 2 hours of being the drummer boy while killing it’s awesome . Voice chat is soooooo lit it’s hilarious !!
The most important thing to understand here is that these players have never met before, and probably never will again. They're forming comraderie and agreeing to use historically accurate tactics in the spur of the moment, and it's amazing
I appreciate how these experts can make commentary on these games with a sense of humor instead of just being like “well, you wouldn’t have instrumentalists hiding in a house playing by themselves or horsemen just riding in close circles” they understand it’s a game and that the people playing them don’t always act as they would historically.
One of the expert is a archeology which makes me wonder what expertise she has in the Napoleonic wars. Aome of these video game history experts are really suspect
@@niclasjohansson5992 They just picked up two random people off the street and gave them the title of Historian for the video. They have no actual historical knowledge.
@@niclasjohansson5992 She might specialize in cultural anthropology, which is a subset within archaeology that focuses on people groups throughout history and how they lived. Nevertheless, it is hilarious that two “experts” are reacting to a meme game 😂
I love how they brought these professors who know a lot of the history of this era and the game itself is kinda authentic to the setting it's in but instead they end up seeing how crazy and funny the players are with it. Also interesting how they managed to even educate me on some stuff from this era too despite the randomness in the video clip they saw lol.
If you want some good learning of the era, try the Sharpe series; it's not always 100% accurate, but the endnotes provide a lot of the stuff that's missing.
i would disagree with you about the "professors who know a lot of history about this era", i myself not any kind of historian or anywhere close to that but i do love to research and learn about history, and when i listened to this two professor i have a feeling that they aren't the right person that Gamology should choose for doing a reaction for this game, not because they don't know anything or they are a terrible historian, it's just that this isn't the field that they are studying,so i googled their name, i found that the Napoleonic war era isn't the specialty( i may missed a lots since i only did a quick search)and they aren't military historian or studied specifically on he military field either, but if you compare this vid to the others vid Gamology made, like the spec ops for example, im sure that the other one will feel a lots more professional than this one.
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In my opinion, cavalry by this time period were essentially little more than shock troops used to surprise the enemy. Look, just imagine for a second you're a soldier, and then all of a sudden you just see, coming over a hill, hundreds of men on horses with gleaming armor, you'd be scared shitless and probably try to run, That is the only use cavalry had by this point. They were just useless without the element of surprise
@@cb41503 Even in the medieval period, cavalry was basically useless against a prepared enemy, since even the best trained horses will absolutely refuse to charge a row of braced pikes.
@@randombrit4504 Dude that was only towards the end of the Middle Ages when they started using pikes. Before hand Cavalry were feared by the rank and file
@sukyude the first part is Ser Winter. He's an Aussie, and he is playing this along side bizzlesnaff, from Washington state, I believe. They are hilarious together!
Maybe try finding military historians to react to these kinds of games. They'd probably be able to provide better insights than what's discussed in this video. They don't seem to know much about the period. The dumb remarks about the British wearing red immediately told me they're not qualified. The British decided upon red because the dye to color the uniforms was very cheap and red doesn't fade quickly with prolonged use and exposure to the elements. And all armies of the period wore monochrome uniforms so it was easier to distinguish friend from foe on a gunpowder choked battlefield. When I'm studying 19th century military tactics I typically don't go looking for an archeologist.
The point of the color Bearer is that they make the Army walk faster. The point of the musicians is they make reloading and individual actions quicker. Just like how orders were given out, certain songs give certain boosts. It could give you the ability to reload quicker, it could give you better accuracy or it could give you slow heal
I honestly believe the Musket was perfectly accurate to a certain distance because the Japanese had a similar black powder weapon but they used it in conjunction with a stand for the barrel to help prevent fatigue while aiming which is what I am certain we see in historic battles where men were holding guns that were unexpectedly heavy for long periods of time. I feel like the amount of bad mouth press the musket gets is purely because of this and the people wielding them were on average underfed and not the most physically astute
Ik it's late on, but it's true that muskets aren't stupidly unaccurate, aiming and firing one could kill somebody further than people expect with the ammount of power put behind the ball
Cuirassiers (the “cavalry” they’re talking about) rode strong, large, and slower horses that would crash into formation of other cavalry as well as line formations, most of the force behind the charge was from the sheer weight of horses smashing into the line, so yes horses were used as a weapon in the context they discussed. They allude to this concept of overwhelming force when they rightly point out that line infantry fired in close order formations because it was the directed firepower of many muskets all at once that made muskets viable battlefield weapons, but they just don’t seem to be able to make that connection when it comes to cuirassiers. Btw cuirassiers were named after the cuirass they wore, which is that gray piece of armor you see the cavalry wearing. However cuirasses came in and out of use throughout the Napoleonic Wars, it really just depended on the army and the time period if actually any cuirassiers wore a cuirasses. Normal and larger horses were also ridden by dragoons, or “line cavalry”, which were an all-purpose sort of cavalry that would face off with other cav, do scouting, they could skirmish the line, operate on the flank, but their main role through their first implementation during early modern warfare was to dismount and fire muskets. However this was phased out during the Napoleonic era. Lighter horses were ridden by hussars, who were really the ancestors of the knightly figures the women in the video talk about, not the Cuirassiers. Hussars were seen as dashing and flamboyant soldiers who rode fast horses and dueled a lot and had honor and all that sort of stuff. If hussars were doing anything on the battlefield besides looking on fleek it would be mostly scouting or fighting in skirmishes. You can tell them apart by their busbies (the thing that British guards wear but with a flap coming out from the middle), and their stylish facial hair. Chasseurs are another important light cavalry distinction, they were less prestigious than hussars and fought in rapid actions. Chasseurs in Napoleons army wore green uniforms and conventional shakos on their heads. Lancers rode fast horses as well, they however were used as a sort of shock troop, who would crash into line and cavalry formation and cause lots of casualties in a short amount of time. Most of the lancers in Napoleons army were Polish, so you are more than likely to see them with a czapka (look it up I can’t explain it) and a red and white banner on top of the lance. This doesn’t mean that coalition armies didn’t use lancers, however most of Europes greatest lancers came from Poland which was a French-aligned nation during the Napoleonic wars. So calling any one cavalry just “cavalry” is not at all appropriate. It would be like calling a car just a machine with wheels, it is technically true but it’s practically unremarkable and demonstrates a fundamental lack of knowledge on motor vehicles as a whole. I’ve just realized I’ve wasted my time writing an essay about cavalry in the Napoleonic wars… it’s just these two had absolutely no clue what they are talking about and it was frustrating :(
The fact that someone's username is "Roof Korean" is far more hilarious than it may initially seem. It's definitely a bit more modern history but it's still funny
Holdfast is one of the few game where the fun is in breaking the immersion with a guy spamming a Hitler speech and basically when the mics on you are having a good time
I seriously appreciate these two and not making everything into some sort of simulator of what the game is portraying. They understand that people are making their own fun in the game and have an awesome sense of humour to go along with it. We need them back for more.
For what ?....Lack of any knowledge on the subject they are commenting on ? One is an African Studies professor and the other a dental paleontologists - such great "experts" for a game set in the Napoleonic era.
"I like how this guy's using his horse as the weapon itself." "Yeah, not sure how that fares for accuracy..." Innumerable Death-By-Horse Victims: *I can attest; it is very accurate.*
9:29 I once read that the famous cavalry charge of the Dragoons at Waterloo was only sucessfull because continental Europeans had killed basically all good horses in over 20 years of fighting wars against each other.
So since I've noticed that people here think that these 2 are some "experts" in the field of Napoleonic military history I decided to debunk the claims that are present here, for common good. This comment will certainly quite long since the number of inaccuracies and you might be quite angry about that fact, my dear average viewer and so I suggest reading this while watching the video. Another note here, In my analysis I shall mostly focus on France and potentially Prussia because of the fact that these 2 here mainly mention things about Napoleon's army. Here we go. *Musket Accuracy* 1:10: this statement is somewhat correct and I'll try to explain it here since it's subject of debate. In 1810, a Prussian general - Scharnhorst ordered a firing test to be done by a company of Grenadiers with muskets of 6 different patterns and origin (here we will focus only on the French Charleville 1777 since it's the one being shown in the clip being fired by the men). The target at which the Prussians fired was to be a piece of cloth that was supposed to be of the size of a frontage of a company of 120/140 men. After 200 shots their results were very interesting and I'll present them in a table below.**[1]** Distance 73,15 m 146,3 m 219,45 m 292,6m Hits out of 200: 151 99 53 55 Percentage: 75,5% 49.5% 26,5% 27,5% of accurate hits If we add in modifiers such as: the inability of most infantrymen to aim properly, powder smoke, morale, situation etc. we would notice that the average accuracy of the muskets at 70 m would drop to 35/40%. *Height and age* 1:18:That is false. The height of the infantrymen (French) ranged from 150 cm to 180 cm. We know that thanks to memoirs and records done by company surgeons.*[2]* In Prussia, the average height was 163 cm but it was preferred to recruit men of greater stature and having the shorter kept in reserve, it'll be good to judge that it was surely much higher.*[4]* When it comes to the age though it depended on the army, period, a number of conscripts (of age 18-25) and the unit, so there would be a difference between let's say the 1805 Grande Armee with men of age mostly between 25-30 and that of 1813/1814 with a large number of 15-20-year-olds in service. However, not always you could find youngsters filling the ranks of some armies, In 1806 Prussia for example, many infantrymen were ageing between 40 to 60! *[5]* *Service* 1:34:That is also completely false. French soldiers often returned home after the campaign. There were of course veterans who served 10 or even 20 years (they were very respected among the men, especially when they were a member of the Legion de Honneur). When it comes to Prussia, men were able to ask their brigade commander for a discharge once a year (mainly when getting married or when receiving an inheritance) *[6]* 2:16: ruclips.net/video/MKn3O4qFmM4/видео.html this video covers this topic quite nicely 3:11: Napoleon? In the Russian army? As a fricking surgeon? *Flags* 5:15: Fighting with a flag is only possible in the Patriot and Holdfast, not reality. French Eaglebearers were armed with a pistol and sabre that they used for self-defence, however, It wouldn't be likely for such an important person in the battalion to fight alone, as he was guarded by an escort of two porte-aigle armed with Halberds[7], for the eagle was one of the most important elements of a regiment. *Uniforms* 5:40: THESE ARE CALLED BREECHES NOT PANTS. However, I would agree that they would be more often worn on parade and in camp than on the battlefield. Instead, the men often wore trousers on a campaign (they were mostly white but they could be grey, beige, ochre etc. depending on the nation and unit).[8] When it comes to visibility, It was important for the staff officers and generals to recognize their men since the Napoleonic wars were generally about strategically and tactically out-manoeuvring your enemy with speed using formations and not about camouflage or hiding in a bush for 2 hours and occasionally shooting at something that is 2 miles away from you. By the way, And since at that time they fought in formations or large skirmish screens, their sheer size of the would cause them to be seen from long distances. *Camp Followers* 5:58:The setting up of the camp (building small wooden huts or setting up tents) was done exclusively by the soldiers**[9]**, when it comes to the rest, I would agree that nearly all regiments had their own cooks, bakers, tailors, gunsmiths etc. but prostitutes? They may have been "smuggled" through, I don't doubt that but officially, it was a legal offence to have a prostitute in camp since many nations were already beginning to standardize female roles in regiments, a good example of that is the French 1793 "Law to Rid the Army of Useless Women" which stated that the only women who were allowed to be seen in the camp were only vivandieres (they were married to soldiers who had the right to sell goods in camp and did that job for them) and washerwomen. I won't get to the "dun't invuid wussia" crap since this is already too long and that could only extend it (plus I would have to commit an even greater genocide on my brain cells) 8:42: He declared himself first consul in 1799, not 1802 *the Cavalry* 9:01: That's also not true. Many cavalrymen were recruited from the middle class and commoners (a good example would be the future French Marshal Murat who despite being a son of a poor innkeeper*[10]* he easily enrolled in the 21st Chasseurs A Cheval and managed to rise through the ranks pretty quickly, it's also quite ironic to note that this happened 2 years before the French revolution and its egalitarian military reforms). The men who had noble or bourgeoise ties in those regiments were mainly officers or NCOs (though it was farely possible for someone from the lower classes to gain that role, especially in Napoleonic France) though there were some regiments (mainly guard units) which had only nobles serving such as the Polish Chevau-legers of the Guard*[11]* or the Russian Chevalier Guard There we go, it's finally over, Christ almighty that was long. Anyway chaps, the moral of this story is: Historians and Archeologists always specialize in a certain field (for example here we have a Dental Paleoanthropologist, and also a lady who is specializing in Social History of Ethiopia and of indigenous African medical practices) and if they are discussing things that are out of their field of study, about which they haven't read much, bad things are certainly going to happen and this video is a good example of that. Sources: [1],[5] - G. Nafziger: Imperial Bayonets [2],[9] - T. Crowdy: French Napoleonic Infantryman 1803-1815 (Osprey) [4], [6] - O. Schmidt: Prussian Regular Infantryman 1808-1815 (Osprey) [7],[8] - P. Haythornwaite: Napoleon's line infantry (Osprey) [10] A. Roberts: "Napoleon the Great" [11] G.C. Dempsey: Napoleon's Mercenaries: Foreign Units in the French Army Under the Consulate and Empire, 1799-1814
I'd imagine yelling while charging is very important psychologically, for the charger. It's a way to psyche yourself up to help increase adrenaline so it's less painful for when you know you're going to die.
Not really experts if they say "It's always good to wear bright red into battle" in a sarcastic way. If they knew about tactics of that era, a bright uniform was necessary in order to see troop formations on a battlefield under heavy smoke. They may be historians, but they haven't a clue about Napoleonic warfare. For a future video, maybe interview historical reenactors of that period.
I have a feeling they’re not experts on the Napoleonic period. They would have more credibility if they mentioned their area of expertise (likely not Napoleonic). And they’re definitely not military historians.
Historians: That's not very accurate
Holdfast gameplay: "It's just symbolic"
@Just a normal guy Hello there is dead
It really be like that though ive heard some guys trying to roleplay but some other guy decided to start doing that bend backward emote behind some other dude and it turned into us getting shelled
@Just a normal guy Hello there Very bad
Are we not talking about how they're "historians" and they call cavalry "calvary"
@@denierdev9723 no, we won't. People do mistakes, that is it.
this game is 80% laughing, 10% screaming and 10% actual battle. A masterpiece.
That's how you know it's a great game, just look at the number of random Shitposts
But srsly how russianbadger didnt cover this yet
What was the person with a horse mask the heck?
@@leevancliffneridacampo7769 Highly strategic gameplay. You see, if the enemy thinks you're a horse, they'll be less likely to shoot you.
@@mchagnon7 Is this sarcasm or truth?! 🤣
Holdfast is realistic... If everyone was on drugs during war.
WELCOME TO WW2 KID, HERE'S YOUR METH
@@Overlord99762 i'm in Commander! We'll bang ok?
@@_d-- report back to the Normandy
@@Overlord99762 actually meth was used to keep soldiers awake, during the war between Russia and Finland, a finnish soldier accidently ate a whole squad worth of meth.
@@timothytimothy4854 yeah that is exactly why I made that joke to begin with
If this game didn’t have voice chat it would’ve been forgotten long ago. But every round is so chaotic and unique because of the random chatter it’s endured.
Here from the future to tell you mount and blade warbands napoleonic dlc still has an active player base... without voice chat
@@noconnection1839 It does and has for a while, but it has a smaller and much more intense player base. People don't just fuck around to the same extent.
@@noconnection1839 probably not as much as holdfast
@@noconnection1839 Napoleonic wars also has its own charm with the voicelines and jankiness
I love how they are seriously breaking down the reality when it's just a bunch of gamers fucking around.
Pretty much what happens when unmarried women reach the age where they know they’ll never be married nor have children. Thus they set out to criticize everyone else to cope
They seem pretty chill tbh
It’s cool the game sorta forces you to play somewhat realistically.
@@kokomalt Didn't say they weren't chill, but they're analyzing it accurately for how it should be historically and the gamers just wanna have fun hehe.
Right as I was reading this some french soldier started spewing "Hon hon Qui Qui" XD
Playing this game is like having 300 drill sergeants literally drillling your head
Sounds just about right.
@@anvilgamestudios Hahaha
With someone mic spamming sandstorm in the background
Ngl this game giving me brain damage
we still playing the phrasing game?
French commander: Vive La France! Charge!
Random French soldier: TENNOHEGA! BAAAANNNNNNZAAAIIII!!!!
Tennoheika*
hega? Wtf is that its heika
French Foreign legions.
Better edit your comment before the weebs get mad.
@@hastur-thekinginyellow8115 I see one
We were holding the line, and my commander said, “The British never retreat!” He immediately got hit by an artillery shell, and I said, “Fuck that, I’m retreating!”
Reminds me of a Soviet womble clip
It's a tactical withdrawal when it goes down like that.
Is your profile pic Overly Sarcastic Productions?
That's also very realistic
@@abrahamrafaeltaparra7775 I'm fairly certain it is.
9:24 "wait, cavalry aren't supposed to be cannon fodder" - me playing total war napoleon and causing my cavalry to suffer 50% casualties in almost any major battle of note.
Medieval 2.
Mailed knight doom stack, dicks out charge strate at em?
@Adolf Hitler always, but sometimes you have no choice but to suicide charge em
I'm just bad at remembering my cav so 90% of the time they're surrounded lmao
But they're so effective
its because you have infinite supply of horses in total war
My favorite chat I've ever heard:
"No, Fredrick!"
"FREDRICKS GONE, AND YOUR NEXT!"
Give 'em steel lads, GIVE' EM STEEEELLLLL!!!!
WE FOCKIN DID IT LADS
7:00 I died, when he said it's just symbolic.
🤣🤣🤣
Sometimes you have to remenber they who is the comander
SADSAD
"Now they now that our guns do indeed work"
aint no lies detected
The community is what really makes the game shine
yep totally if it weren't for the community i would've never bought this game
@@vijaysabarish9600 nice to see a game being kept up by the community
@@pacifistminigun3987 yeah sometimes the community can make or break the game.
The fact that they're even able to keep their bearing while they're watching videos of a bunch of guys clipping out their microphones by yelling "Vive La France, oui oui baguette, ONHONHON" over and over again is the real statement of professionalism
youll apreciate the live stresm then (forgive me for my grammar
)
I'm sure they are ashamed of being the same nationality as a people of uncultured oaf who can't locate anything on a map
@@NihilistAlien it’s not that serious
@@aidenbustos8625 it s not that funny
@@unlimited971 ?
4:58 I love how no one noticed the Flag bearer carrying the Italian Flag while shouting BANZAII!!!!!
It was a French flag
Mr. Worldwide
Based on your geography knowledge, i can comfortably conclude that you are an American
Most globally aware American
I've fought beside the banzai guy before. He's an animal.
1:25
I like how she is talking about the live expectancy and then suddenly a soldier gets immediately shot in the head.
I like that life expectancy doesn't mean shit, given simply high infant mortality rate greatly contributed to lower life expectancy, didn't mean that people magically were unlikely to live past a certain age
@@SStupendous yeah . People in those days were actually healthier if they were not sick or a had a disability . People today are more obese and have a lot of tooth problems and we have more illnesses today than before .
@@dude9318 Literally everything about your comment is wrong lmao
@@mercistephens7325 Nope .Obesity is a big problem today same with tooth issues.
Did you just judge my comment or do you have actual research to prove im wrong?
If you do then i will admit i was wrong
@@dude9318 Sweetie do you think obesity and tooth issues are the only diseases lol? Every since humans settled down into farming/pastoral communities they were racked with diseases like cholera, tuberculosis, and more. Shit that's easily treatable now put could've killed half the town in the past I mean people were dying from the common cold for ffs. In the Napoleonic era people didn't even know about the germ theory they thought that diseases came from "bad smells". Hell people in London were literally shitting where they drinked water? Infant mortality and mother mortality by extension was through the fucking roof. Oh and back to that comment about teeth issues. The reason why people have teeth issues is because of the high consumption of sugar, something that was prevalent during the Napoleonic era. So the difference you're trying to paint between people's teeth falls flat even there. So yes you're completely wrong lol.
This game would have died..... But luckily.... The people who play the game make this game WORTH playing 🤣
TRRB REPRESENT!!
Alot of other games have been like this but a great community really keeps it going
Most of them time I play are just both teams playing around
I think Mount and Blade mod for napoleon war slowly dying with people migrating to Hold fast
@@kos2919 yeah
3:13
"He's wearing a big hat, that means he's important right?"
TF2 players: Y E S
I fear no man... but that thing "shows guy with big hat" it scares me
Bonus points if your hat is burning
She gets it!
As a Tf2 Veteran with almost 3000 hours, I can confirm that this is true
Gentlemen. OUR INFLUENCE GROWS!
"How Unexciting would it be to play a game where you just like walking"
*Shows Death Stranding
Lmao
haha
@Sonic Mobian Yes you are a joke death stranding, you mocked the player wanting *GAMEPLAY*
@@rikacomedyletsplays2581 It has gameplay, though not filled with the kind of excitement gamers are used to.
Like, say, delivering a package in a snowstorm that damage said product through snowy mountains while dodging enemies that are invisible since the baby you used to detect said enemies are out of commission, and your weapons and equipment are exhausted since you exhausted those dodging and fighting scavengers.
Then not long after that, you get sucked into a time anomaly, where you are transported to a place where the souls who died in WWII are trapped fighting for all eternity, and the only way to get back is to fight a Spec Ops Veteran Ghost with skeleton squadmates that want to take your BB.
Lol
I enjoyed it not a bad game just not for everyone
@@Roamingfirebat I haven't played the game but many say it is good even though lots of walking is required lmao
Can't believe they didn't include the "GIVE EM STEEL LADS" clip from 5uhDude
The guy that says
For the love of France
For the love of Napoleon
For the love of God
Charge
Its a LEGENDARY GUY
He is amazing
Lérôy Jénkíns!
1:32 "Jesuis Christ we are losing men!"
That line along with the body going limp broke me.
The accent sells the hilarity of it.
Jesuus Kwiste ou ar losing men.
It’s missing all the Hitler speeches
And the banzai charges
@@whysosyria1 there was a bonzai charge
Shame it's not complete without the ear rape
And the Posh British accent Commanders
Followed up by Make a Man Out of You
_For the love of France_
_For the love of Napoleon_
_For the love of God_
*_C H A R G E_*
PRESS ZE BE BUTTAHN FOR GLOREEEEE!
*AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA*
@@Sunshard viva la france
Forgot: the love of frogs
VIVE LA FRANCE !!!
I love how theres a french soldier rushing with a bayonet screaming "TENNO HEIKA BANZAI". He must have timetravelled
Just bought it for $8 on steam and I must say after 2 hours of being the drummer boy while killing it’s awesome . Voice chat is soooooo lit it’s hilarious !!
Union Soldier: "CHARGE!"
Confederate Soldier: "ATTACK!"
Random Soldier: "BANZAI!"
@@ishlazz1307 another soldier: COMRADE VODKA CHARGE
That one Hessian mercenary: "ANGRIFF! ANGRIFF!"
Union soldier 2: I'm walking here
Random Scottish soldier:How'd ah git here
The most important thing to understand here is that these players have never met before, and probably never will again. They're forming comraderie and agreeing to use historically accurate tactics in the spur of the moment, and it's amazing
I appreciate how these experts can make commentary on these games with a sense of humor instead of just being like “well, you wouldn’t have instrumentalists hiding in a house playing by themselves or horsemen just riding in close circles” they understand it’s a game and that the people playing them don’t always act as they would historically.
One of the expert is a archeology which makes me wonder what expertise she has in the Napoleonic wars. Aome of these video game history experts are really suspect
@@niclasjohansson5992 They just picked up two random people off the street and gave them the title of Historian for the video. They have no actual historical knowledge.
@@niclasjohansson5992 She might specialize in cultural anthropology, which is a subset within archaeology that focuses on people groups throughout history and how they lived. Nevertheless, it is hilarious that two “experts” are reacting to a meme game 😂
@@melvinloyalist6758Not saying they are not good historians but they are not experts in this field which makes the video pretty pointless
6:07
Devs: WRITE THAT DOWN! WRITE THAT DOWN!!!
I remember once I got my whole team to just walk backwards across the whole map. Eventually the whole team joined in. What a beautiful game.
Historians react to history themed games...ONLINE....this is what I needed. Get them to review Battlefield
That would be great but not the ones in recent times, maybe Battlefield V, the one centered in WW1
@@metalslug55516 this one is super historically accurate
@@metalslug55516 I agree but I think maybe 1 instead of V
Yes yes
@@metalslug55516 that’s WWII. BF1 is extremely inaccurate
9:18 ok is nobody gonna talk about this...?
*no..... no we wont*
well it is a well train horse
I see nothing wrong there
That s just a horse training
Normal horse training
I love how they brought these professors who know a lot of the history of this era and the game itself is kinda authentic to the setting it's in but instead they end up seeing how crazy and funny the players are with it. Also interesting how they managed to even educate me on some stuff from this era too despite the randomness in the video clip they saw lol.
If you want some good learning of the era, try the Sharpe series; it's not always 100% accurate, but the endnotes provide a lot of the stuff that's missing.
@@btf_flotsam478 Thanks for the recommendation, will check them out for sure
i would disagree with you about the "professors who know a lot of history about this era", i myself not any kind of historian or anywhere close to that but i do love to research and learn about history, and when i listened to this two professor i have a feeling that they aren't the right person that Gamology should choose for doing a reaction for this game, not because they don't know anything or they are a terrible historian, it's just that this isn't the field that they are studying,so i googled their name, i found that the Napoleonic war era isn't the specialty( i may missed a lots since i only did a quick search)and they aren't military historian or studied specifically on he military field either, but if you compare this vid to the others vid Gamology made, like the spec ops for example, im sure that the other one will feel a lots more professional than this one.
@@Dokkutah they should of tried to get Ian off of forgotten weapons. Idk how far back his expertise goes but he loves his french stuff
These two people seem to know nothing about the peninsula war tbh. Not there area of expertise, clearly.
"Are they praying? "
"No, they're warming their butt"
2:10 I heard it! The shitty French accent calling the enemy "pig-dogs"
Whoever that dude was, he wins at life.
"And groups of prostitutes to service them later"
Me:hohohohoho, where do I sign-
Trust me, you don't want to bang woman that just banged a whole platoon of men.
@@timothytimothy4854 I mean There's a high chance imma die afterwards so....
@@pekozyn6514 c'mon man, have some standards
the horses are where it's at ;)
@@grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewic5825 NOOOOOO BRUHHH
@@grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewic5825 FURRY DETECTED,
LETHAL FORCE AUTHORIZED
3:20 Yeah,this about sums up the whole community the picture, the name.
9:56 I spat my food bruh
The frenchman charging with the flagpole screaming "tenno heika banzai"😂😂😂😂
Fav quote : "He has a big hat, so he must be important, right?"
Ah yes, the historical hierarchy
"How long people lived..."
*Shows a French soldier getting shot in the head*
4:59 that banzai charge tho. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
He's a real chad
Less than 10 seconds later *gets sent back to France with a musket shot*.
BAAANZAAAASIII HOOOO!!
Easily my favourite bit
When he siad banzai. I felt that.
"Qui qui baguette" *nothing*
"CEO of poop? Very mature"
CEO of poop is a legend in this game.
@@friedrichii5763 alright, no jokes, no anything. Is he actually?
Weeaboo Jones yes saw him one time. Very special leader.
@@friedrichii5763 Just like Auha, Chet Manley, CharlieTwoFive, Cockwomble, Jaymo, Lamebear808, Haybales!
BushWookie, IAMIDIOT, ComradeCHICKEN, NinjaJaiden, Fusion, MoonMoon, Hockey, RimmyTim, Krissy, Felix, Cago, Jabba, WomenDoctor, BadLuck, Wingy, NobleCrisp, highlow, LuckyToasten, Ganjahusky, Thane, CapnFrost, the guys from the 51st reg, the KRA (KRRC), the 45e, and all the other regiments that died out!
"Almost like a leftover of knights"
No, they ARE leftovers of knights
Even today, the oldest Cavalry regiments still have their traditions
In my opinion, cavalry by this time period were essentially little more than shock troops used to surprise the enemy.
Look, just imagine for a second you're a soldier, and then all of a sudden you just see, coming over a hill, hundreds of men on horses with gleaming armor, you'd be scared shitless and probably try to run,
That is the only use cavalry had by this point. They were just useless without the element of surprise
@@cb41503 Even in the medieval period, cavalry was basically useless against a prepared enemy, since even the best trained horses will absolutely refuse to charge a row of braced pikes.
@@randombrit4504 Dude that was only towards the end of the Middle Ages when they started using pikes. Before hand Cavalry were feared by the rank and file
Everyone in this thread is wrong
@@SpacemongerrAnd you’re the supreme expert, eh?
“Sir, I’m in the tree, what do I do?
Must be Vietnamese that one
Its a trap. Send no reply.
It's a trap
Imagine if they reacted to Soviet Womble's gameplay of this.
I’m walking here!
@@Ranger215able No I'm walking here!
@sukyude idk
Part of this, at least the first part, is Ser Winter. He is hilarious, and what is better, bizzlesnaff is with him!
@sukyude the first part is Ser Winter. He's an Aussie, and he is playing this along side bizzlesnaff, from Washington state, I believe. They are hilarious together!
Maybe try finding military historians to react to these kinds of games. They'd probably be able to provide better insights than what's discussed in this video. They don't seem to know much about the period.
The dumb remarks about the British wearing red immediately told me they're not qualified. The British decided upon red because the dye to color the uniforms was very cheap and red doesn't fade quickly with prolonged use and exposure to the elements. And all armies of the period wore monochrome uniforms so it was easier to distinguish friend from foe on a gunpowder choked battlefield.
When I'm studying 19th century military tactics I typically don't go looking for an archeologist.
The point of the color Bearer is that they make the Army walk faster. The point of the musicians is they make reloading and individual actions quicker. Just like how orders were given out, certain songs give certain boosts. It could give you the ability to reload quicker, it could give you better accuracy or it could give you slow heal
I LOST IT at "Hon-hon-hon, baguette!"
"Horses are expensive and precious."
Ney: "I'll pretend i didn't hear that."
Hehehehehehe... Neigh...
SIX TIMES! SIXX!!!!!!!!
Rest in Peace Paul "Jon_Snow" Whyte! We miss you and it was hard seeing your name in this video. Fly high!
What was the time stamp? I hope that he is in a good place rip
@@cornman3765 09:37. I hope aswell. He was a great person.
Wait what I played the game a lot like a year ago and remember him getting 100 kills a game what happened?
@@amo-kd9cn Sadly, Suicide.
@@KGEssig shit that’s sad
I honestly believe the Musket was perfectly accurate to a certain distance because the Japanese had a similar black powder weapon but they used it in conjunction with a stand for the barrel to help prevent fatigue while aiming which is what I am certain we see in historic battles where men were holding guns that were unexpectedly heavy for long periods of time. I feel like the amount of bad mouth press the musket gets is purely because of this and the people wielding them were on average underfed and not the most physically astute
Ik it's late on, but it's true that muskets aren't stupidly unaccurate, aiming and firing one could kill somebody further than people expect with the ammount of power put behind the ball
Cuirassiers (the “cavalry” they’re talking about) rode strong, large, and slower horses that would crash into formation of other cavalry as well as line formations, most of the force behind the charge was from the sheer weight of horses smashing into the line, so yes horses were used as a weapon in the context they discussed. They allude to this concept of overwhelming force when they rightly point out that line infantry fired in close order formations because it was the directed firepower of many muskets all at once that made muskets viable battlefield weapons, but they just don’t seem to be able to make that connection when it comes to cuirassiers. Btw cuirassiers were named after the cuirass they wore, which is that gray piece of armor you see the cavalry wearing. However cuirasses came in and out of use throughout the Napoleonic Wars, it really just depended on the army and the time period if actually any cuirassiers wore a cuirasses.
Normal and larger horses were also ridden by dragoons, or “line cavalry”, which were an all-purpose sort of cavalry that would face off with other cav, do scouting, they could skirmish the line, operate on the flank, but their main role through their first implementation during early modern warfare was to dismount and fire muskets. However this was phased out during the Napoleonic era.
Lighter horses were ridden by hussars, who were really the ancestors of the knightly figures the women in the video talk about, not the Cuirassiers. Hussars were seen as dashing and flamboyant soldiers who rode fast horses and dueled a lot and had honor and all that sort of stuff. If hussars were doing anything on the battlefield besides looking on fleek it would be mostly scouting or fighting in skirmishes. You can tell them apart by their busbies (the thing that British guards wear but with a flap coming out from the middle), and their stylish facial hair. Chasseurs are another important light cavalry distinction, they were less prestigious than hussars and fought in rapid actions. Chasseurs in Napoleons army wore green uniforms and conventional shakos on their heads. Lancers rode fast horses as well, they however were used as a sort of shock troop, who would crash into line and cavalry formation and cause lots of casualties in a short amount of time. Most of the lancers in Napoleons army were Polish, so you are more than likely to see them with a czapka (look it up I can’t explain it) and a red and white banner on top of the lance. This doesn’t mean that coalition armies didn’t use lancers, however most of Europes greatest lancers came from Poland which was a French-aligned nation during the Napoleonic wars.
So calling any one cavalry just “cavalry” is not at all appropriate. It would be like calling a car just a machine with wheels, it is technically true but it’s practically unremarkable and demonstrates a fundamental lack of knowledge on motor vehicles as a whole.
I’ve just realized I’ve wasted my time writing an essay about cavalry in the Napoleonic wars… it’s just these two had absolutely no clue what they are talking about and it was frustrating :(
I wouldnt be so quick to dismiss them as having no idea what theyre talking about based in a 5 minute, highly edited clip.
"Oh, they're warming their... yeah..."
welcome to the internet... today, we're looking at the Holdfast community...
5:55 That gave me roughly the same energy as a high school kid’s friends laughing at them after they walk into a door
Would've been better if they reacted to sovietwomble's
Yes. So much this.
Nah ser winters videos and memeios videos are better
I’m walkin here
I was looking for someone saying this lol...
@@spare1518 Why are there so many gentlemen from the colonies?
"He's wearing the big hat, it must be Napoleon" historians
They’re like 3rd grade history teachers. Why no men?
The fact that someone's username is "Roof Korean" is far more hilarious than it may initially seem. It's definitely a bit more modern history but it's still funny
"I'm walkin' 'ere!!!"
Too bad it's not part of the clip.
Ey Joe Patootie how you doin?
Having played the game for a while now, aye im walkin ere is the most said thing now after womble
Ah yes, the most accurate historical war game. When our forefathers went "Reeeeeee" and "yeetz" on the defiled enemies.
Them - "Is that Napoleon right there?"
Me - "But that's the Russian army"
"Historians"
7:12 "sir I'm in the tree what do I do" lmao
"Horses don't grow up that quickly..."
- Ma'am, I don't have 10+ years to play a video game. 😂
Holdfast is one of the few game where the fun is in breaking the immersion with a guy spamming a Hitler speech and basically when the mics on you are having a good time
I seriously appreciate these two and not making everything into some sort of simulator of what the game is portraying. They understand that people are making their own fun in the game and have an awesome sense of humour to go along with it. We need them back for more.
were you watching a different video?
For what ?....Lack of any knowledge on the subject they are commenting on ? One is an African Studies professor and the other a dental paleontologists - such great "experts" for a game set in the Napoleonic era.
@@MrGrimBG They were talking nonsense that never happened and half-assed the information they were providing in the video.
@@MrGrimBG What's next a rocket scientist and a funeral director react to WW2.
The idiots in this comment thread, they make feel so much smarter than I really am.
"I like how this guy's using his horse as the weapon itself."
"Yeah, not sure how that fares for accuracy..."
Innumerable Death-By-Horse Victims: *I can attest; it is very accurate.*
Out of all the games they could have got historians to view... They chose holdfast hahaha legends!
What makes this game great is that the community is insane and the fights can be actually epic
i miss sovietwomble clip, where they say "sir, i hit someone" "oh.. whell done. where did you aim" "... to the enemy sir".
Imagine. If Germany during WW2 just went straight from Poland to the Soviet union.
Mmmmm they would have still lost because it was pre purge and Nazis had less material and at the time no secure access to oil.
@@charliehoran3680 exactly this
@@charliehoran3680 probably fucked since the Soviet Union wete powerful
@Lelouch Vi Britannia not to mention you pissed both the French and Brits in attacking Poland
@Lelouch Vi Britannia Not really
9:29 I once read that the famous cavalry charge of the Dragoons at Waterloo was only sucessfull because continental Europeans had killed basically all good horses in over 20 years of fighting wars against each other.
"Sir, I'm in the tree what do I do".
Idk why.. but i laugh so hard at this 7:17
they forgot the famous soldiers from boston
*I'M WALKING HERE!*
Waiting for priest reacting to dantes inferno
Bruh. Its fiction and has no connection to the church whatsoever.
Also, the big tiddy boss battle reaction would be great.
I appreciate the historians were professional and didn't knock the game down for being unrealistic then enjoying the humor.
So since I've noticed that people here think that these 2 are some "experts" in the field of Napoleonic military history I decided to debunk the claims that are present here, for common good. This comment will certainly quite long since the number of inaccuracies and you might be quite angry about that fact, my dear average viewer and so I suggest reading this while watching the video. Another note here, In my analysis I shall mostly focus on France and potentially Prussia because of the fact that these 2 here mainly mention things about Napoleon's army. Here we go.
*Musket Accuracy*
1:10: this statement is somewhat correct and I'll try to explain it here since it's subject of debate.
In 1810, a Prussian general - Scharnhorst ordered a firing test to be done by a company of Grenadiers with muskets of 6 different patterns and origin (here we will focus only on the French Charleville 1777 since it's the one being shown in the clip being fired by the men).
The target at which the Prussians fired was to be a piece of cloth that was supposed to be of the size of a frontage of a company of 120/140 men. After 200 shots their results were very interesting and I'll present them in a table below.**[1]**
Distance
73,15 m 146,3 m 219,45 m 292,6m
Hits out of 200: 151 99 53 55
Percentage: 75,5% 49.5% 26,5% 27,5%
of accurate
hits
If we add in modifiers such as: the inability of most infantrymen to aim properly, powder smoke, morale, situation etc. we would notice that the average accuracy of the muskets at 70 m would drop to 35/40%.
*Height and age*
1:18:That is false. The height of the infantrymen (French) ranged from 150 cm to 180 cm. We know that thanks to memoirs and records done by company surgeons.*[2]* In Prussia, the average height was 163 cm but it was preferred to recruit men of greater stature and having the shorter kept in reserve, it'll be good to judge that it was surely much higher.*[4]*
When it comes to the age though it depended on the army, period, a number of conscripts (of age 18-25) and the unit, so there would be a difference between let's say the 1805 Grande Armee with men of age mostly between 25-30 and that of 1813/1814 with a large number of 15-20-year-olds in service. However, not always you could find youngsters filling the ranks of some armies, In 1806 Prussia for example, many infantrymen were ageing between 40 to 60! *[5]*
*Service*
1:34:That is also completely false. French soldiers often returned home after the campaign. There were of course veterans who served 10 or even 20 years (they were very respected among the men, especially when they were a member of the Legion de Honneur). When it comes to Prussia, men were able to ask their brigade commander for a discharge once a year (mainly when getting married or when receiving an inheritance) *[6]*
2:16: ruclips.net/video/MKn3O4qFmM4/видео.html this video covers this topic quite nicely
3:11: Napoleon? In the Russian army? As a fricking surgeon?
*Flags*
5:15: Fighting with a flag is only possible in the Patriot and Holdfast, not reality. French Eaglebearers were armed with a pistol and sabre that they used for self-defence, however, It wouldn't be likely for such an important person in the battalion to fight alone, as he was guarded by an escort of two porte-aigle armed with Halberds[7], for the eagle was one of the most important elements of a regiment.
*Uniforms*
5:40: THESE ARE CALLED BREECHES NOT PANTS. However, I would agree that they would be more often worn on parade and in camp than on the battlefield. Instead, the men often wore trousers on a campaign (they were mostly white but they could be grey, beige, ochre etc. depending on the nation and unit).[8]
When it comes to visibility, It was important for the staff officers and generals to recognize their men since the Napoleonic wars were generally about strategically and tactically out-manoeuvring your enemy with speed using formations and not about camouflage or hiding in a bush for 2 hours and occasionally shooting at something that is 2 miles away from you. By the way, And since at that time they fought in formations or large skirmish screens, their sheer size of the would cause them to be seen from long distances.
*Camp Followers*
5:58:The setting up of the camp (building small wooden huts or setting up tents) was done exclusively by the soldiers**[9]**, when it comes to the rest, I would agree that nearly all regiments had their own cooks, bakers, tailors, gunsmiths etc. but prostitutes? They may have been "smuggled" through, I don't doubt that but officially, it was a legal offence to have a prostitute in camp since many nations were already beginning to standardize female roles in regiments, a good example of that is the French 1793 "Law to Rid the Army of Useless Women" which stated that the only women who were allowed to be seen in the camp were only vivandieres (they were married to soldiers who had the right to sell goods in camp and did that job for them) and washerwomen.
I won't get to the "dun't invuid wussia" crap since this is already too long and that could only extend it (plus I would have to commit an even greater genocide on my brain cells)
8:42: He declared himself first consul in 1799, not 1802
*the Cavalry*
9:01: That's also not true. Many cavalrymen were recruited from the middle class and commoners (a good example would be the future French Marshal Murat who despite being a son of a poor innkeeper*[10]* he easily enrolled in the 21st Chasseurs A Cheval and managed to rise through the ranks pretty quickly, it's also quite ironic to note that this happened 2 years before the French revolution and its egalitarian military reforms). The men who had noble or bourgeoise ties in those regiments were mainly officers or NCOs (though it was farely possible for someone from the lower classes to gain that role, especially in Napoleonic France) though there were some regiments (mainly guard units) which had only nobles serving such as the Polish Chevau-legers of the Guard*[11]* or the Russian Chevalier Guard
There we go, it's finally over, Christ almighty that was long. Anyway chaps, the moral of this story is:
Historians and Archeologists always specialize in a certain field (for example here we have a Dental Paleoanthropologist, and also a lady who is specializing in Social History of Ethiopia and of indigenous African medical practices) and if they are discussing things that are out of their field of study, about which they haven't read much, bad things are certainly going to happen and this video is a good example of that.
Sources:
[1],[5] - G. Nafziger: Imperial Bayonets
[2],[9] - T. Crowdy: French Napoleonic Infantryman 1803-1815 (Osprey)
[4], [6] - O. Schmidt: Prussian Regular Infantryman 1808-1815 (Osprey)
[7],[8] - P. Haythornwaite: Napoleon's line infantry (Osprey)
[10] A. Roberts: "Napoleon the Great"
[11] G.C. Dempsey: Napoleon's Mercenaries: Foreign Units in the French Army Under the Consulate and Empire, 1799-1814
Another person who put way too much effort in their comment, take my like
Yeah both are clearly not experts in the field. Someone who read the John Keegan could do a better job then these two.
GUYS LOOK THIS ARM CHAIR HISTORIAN WANTS TO DEBUNK AN INTERNET VIDEO MOSTLY MADE FOR FUN
you see? nobody cares.
@@D3rk017 Actually, I care. Even if it is made for fun, someone proved it was misinformation.
As a Holdfast player, I can confirm this is every single server
You should've show them that irish man screaming GIVE THEM STEEL GIVE THEM STEEL LADS
I love how fun and chill they are, I would watch hours of them commenting on games and stuff
I'm so glad that it's online cause it makes their reactions ten times better
"Hon hon hon oui oui baguette"
-Napoleon Bonaparte, 1987
1987? Damn
The entire time when they are commenting on the uniform's being noticable, all I can think is..."that's the point?"
Should've put that famous "FREDERICK GONE AND YA NEXT" clip lmaooo
9:58, they really just did my personal GOTY 2019 like dirty 😭
Holdfast in random battles: funny
Holdfast in competitions between clans: actual battle and tactics from the times
6:12 “Alright, you have a hole” is the way I heard it 🤣🤣
Holdfast has the most chill community I’ve ever played with.
I'd imagine yelling while charging is very important psychologically, for the charger. It's a way to psyche yourself up to help increase adrenaline so it's less painful for when you know you're going to die.
Not really experts if they say "It's always good to wear bright red into battle" in a sarcastic way. If they knew about tactics of that era, a bright uniform was necessary in order to see troop formations on a battlefield under heavy smoke. They may be historians, but they haven't a clue about Napoleonic warfare. For a future video, maybe interview historical reenactors of that period.
I have a feeling they’re not experts on the Napoleonic period. They would have more credibility if they mentioned their area of expertise (likely not Napoleonic).
And they’re definitely not military historians.
@@JTR_14 That's true!
Yes! Thank you! Someone who knows their history.
@@JTR_14 I doubt their experts at all in history judging from this video.
4:58 When you choose the wrong army but you will still do the job anyways
Marines react to “Door Kickers 2”
Maybe SOF, they'd probably have more experience with the small units breach and clear
"You're gonna say anything"
Oh, how true that is
Professor, "You can be a calvary"
Me, "For the love of God it's cavalry, the word is cavalry"
I’m so glad that you have people that barely know what they’re talking about
Having them react to an online game full of mild role play is great
AGS be like: "Write that down! Write that down!"
Yes, it was generally fairly easy to hack the “drum code”; the French “pas de charge” was anything but subtle.
I’m always polite when playing holdfast. I always say “hello” before killing someone within range of VC in my poncy brit voice.
Now, that's soldiering!
Games like this are where you'll make some of the best friends you've ever had
4:58 Jiji ! You’re 140 years early for that.