My coworker and I both love xenoblade and we have come to the conclusion that 1 and 2 are in different universes and that 2's universe has earth and that is where 2 plays out the cloud sea is above earth so when you visit it later that is the aftermath of the space station shit. It's really stupid but this is our starting theory.
@@kitsuneking6969 I don't know if I should call you stupid or a genius cause they literally explain that's exactly how it works. So a good theory I guess
@@JamoXeno Looking back at out conversations we thought that under the cloud sea was ACTUALLY EARTH. I don't think I conveyed that properly and if the games explained that I I must've missed it (There's a lot of info in the games and sometimes I miss something or forget) yeah I wrote the top comment pretty poorly. I was saying the space station blowing up and creating the rift thingy split the universe into 2 or more continuities (I think that's the right word) and 1 is in a separate one from 2. And 2 mostly takes place above earth on the cloud sea. Then later you visit it and there are what seem to be remnants of human civilization and the zombie things (which we suspected were zombified because of the rift thingy) Its kinda confusing and I am confusing myself as I go on.
You think that lore being inside a model kit is weird? Just look at Kingdom Hearts, where there's vital plot only revealed at Orchestras Lmao, Japan is weird
@Just a Human The conversation between The Lingering Will and Namine was a part of an orchesta, we imply that the conversation happend in both the base kh3 and ReMind but we never actually hear it
Personally, i think that the other two beanstalks were transported to other dimensions/universes for two more numbered Xenoblade games. Since neither one is shown in the final cutscenes (whether they were retcon'd or not). I still dont believe that X is "connected" to 1 and 2, its a different universe imo or is VR for one of the Trinity Core Processors to help them develop a personality. But honestly, who knows where Monolith is gonna go with the next Xeno games, but i'm excited either way.
Maybe one is in the first Xenoblade and Just sunk to the bottom of the ocean, now we have in definitive Edition the Fogking and it was shown as If its Not its last appearence. This Rift is Just Like: I am from Xeno 3 Universe. And from a Game Design personality, it Looks Like it will come again
How high is the cloud sea? And taking in cinsideration the geological activity of the earth, maybe the Everest can be above the cloud sea Maybe some titan comunity, speaking and all, maybe using blades themselves
I always found it weird how without the conduit the entire low orbit station just completely breaks, you'd think with 3 beanstalks all around the equator it would at least keep it somewhat stable. Unless the other 2 stations weren't there, Klaus said many people and many THINGS were warped into different dimensions, so maybe Xenoblade 3 could be a pocket dimension again like Xenoblade 1 where the characters investigate at least one of the other two beanstalks (also I want an evil death god Galea AU)
MonadoDank Luxin did make a video a while back on how the world tree could exist and the idea is that inside the ring, there’s a fast moving cable that has an electric current going through it to keep it from touching anything in the ring and without the conduit, that very cable ends up touching the ring and rip the station apart from the inside out.
Well the conduit is likely the only power source capable of maintaining the entire structure. I think Pneuma mentions some sort of thrusters, so it likely needs power to remain stable
What if the other trees got destroyed as the world was reset? It would make sense because Rhadamanthus has the Conduit so it didn't get destroyed. Just another thing to think about.
I'm going to contend that the XC2 world does have pirates, it's just that in Japan it's kind of a contentious issue to depict them (because they're a very real issue in SEA).
"No piracy" Theory and Praxis: "Are we a joke to you?" You might say that that quest line is more akin to thieves than pirates, but the same sort of idea is definitely there. Especpally since THEORY HAS AN EYE PATCH AND SABER.
I thought the Nopon were shown during Klaus’s giant loredump as just one of the evolutionary paths that led to the different species of humans in Alrest. Indolese are birdlike, but still human, I think Nopon qualify as well, albeit they’re a more divergent strain.
As interesting as it is having the other beanstalks I doubt Klaus’ fixing of the world would only extend to a small part of the world, as far as the other beanstalks go realistically they were probably sent off to another dimension during the space time transition event and wouldn’t be there anymore with only the top area connected to the ring left. Klaus outright said that morytha and the space station are the only remaining parts of his world so that’s what I think happened
The United States did have two former territories near the equator, The Panama Canal Zone and the Philippines, the Canal Zone was returned to Panama in 1999, and the Philippines was given independence after World War II. Maybe in the Xenoblade 2 universe one of them remained part of the US (maybe becoming states)
I feel like the other two stations were a lot smaller and didnt have their own Elysiums or the labs that Rahdamanthus has they were just to support and maintain the ring
God finally somebody says it, this is just an awesome concept. I've been working on some fanfic ideas myself. So far i suppose im more interested in the wastes and ruins of the civilizations left behind but more habitaed titans in they're own sorta sea tide pool rose are could be fucking sick
What if at the end of Xenoblade 1 and 2 , both the worlds merged after Zanza was defeated? Since the worlds in Xenoblade 1 and 2 are closely tied I wouldn't be surprised if they went with this in Xenoblade 3.
It would explain why Pyra and Mythra were separated at the end of XC2: Because Shulk wished for a world without any gods. With the Conduit, Klaus, and Malos all gone, Pneuma would be the only thing close to being a God. However, if Pneuma was separated into Pyra and Mythra, no more godlike being.
I still think that when Klaus mentions humanity being scattered from the incident and when Pneuma shows the orbital ring with only one beanstalk it's possibly the case where the other bean stalks were scatter throughout time and space too. I personally think it would be cool if the other beanstalks were the source of the Ganglion's creators in X and that society is just the small group of survivors from the Klaus incident that were left on the stalks when they were transported. Mimeosomes could just be based around the blade tech and core crystals and the Vita an old war machine. They could have been transported into the future and into a post Chronicles universe. The world in X has ether and a Telethia plus so many in world references to Chronicles it could potentially be the future of the world Shulk creates and Shulk's society failed for some reason (which could be the plot for Xenoblade 3) and X2 could be them discovering the ruins contextually. Elma could possibly be a descendent of said society too, based on her looks alone it's almost as if she's a mix of human and machina.
I really hope that Xenoblade Chronicles X takes place in the universe with the original Earth that Klaus destroyed. Like, the destruction of Earth at the start of X was the Klaus incident. It might need some retcons, but X is still an incomplete saga, so hopefully we’ll see something.
@@Gloomdrake honestly, anything that can add X into the mainline story would be great. X is a fantastic game and I can't wait to see more of it whenever that happens.
@@Gloomdrake It would need several novels of retcons and would completely and utterly throw the narrative of X off track and throw 90% of its lore in the bin.
In concepts like these medium and high orbit stations usually aren't a thing. They aren't called low orbit station, because they are low stations ow many, but because they are stations that were created in low orbit. And low orbit is kinda the most viable place to put a station like this
Ok so if there are two more world trees I think the Ai helped run not just the conduit but also the orbit station so that could mean six more aegis I know I could be very wrong but that could make an incredible villain group maybe the reason the Ai weren’t on radamantionos was because they weren’t mentally stable enough as their raising in the digital world failed them. I just think that could make an incredible story to work on they could have been part off the reason ontos went evil in future redeemed they were in origin and effected ontos the main program and turn him evil.
My understanding is that Ontos went mad within Origin because they (or in just the core form "it" I suppose) were being tasked with doing Trinity Processor-level stuff despite being the one Trinity Processor core not designed to be fully-functional while by itself. Ultimately three humans being turned into AIs to be what is basically a new Trinity Processor within Origin proved to be a more stable setup. So in a sense we did get three more Aegises, with one of them poetically being Rex. I imagine "those two" as Rex says in FR will be pretty amused by that come their reunion once the worlds are done splitting again.
The Bionis / Mechonis have a beanstalk and Alvis just uses a transferal channel to get powers from the Conduit, Give Zanza and Mayneth some of his power and make the beanstalk invisible... oh no... that could work too... Edit : Also Noponis conformed?
I always imagined Nopon coming from the XC1 universe to the XC2 universe somehow because if the XC2 universe really was like our world before the Conduit's arrival, then it wouldn't make any sense for there to have already been Nopon on Earth because our Earth doesn't have Nopon, obviously. My guess is that Klaus was somehow inspired to make them while blueprinting new life on Alrest (because half of him is in the XC1 universe, and we know that he has at least a vague understanding of what is going on in that universe, i.e. sensing his own death approaching as Shulk & co. work to bring down Zanza).
I think the reason the ring and beanstalk weren't in Xenoblade 1s flashback because that was a story told by Alvis who may not have all of the data while the Xenoblade 2 Flashback was a memory from Klaus himself
I have this nut job theory that what if Xenoblade X secretly stands for the roman numeral 10 and it's just so insanely far down the timeline that there are 7 other hypothetical games between 1/2 and X. Given that the nopon know of the monado in X and Tatsu references the homs, I do seriously believe that the nopon in X are distant descendants of the nopon of XC1. That also leads me to think that with the telethia being present in X as well, that there are too many things pointing to the notion of it being a distant future.
Then theres the parallel of the unified governments of 2 and X having the same name in japanese. It made me realize that since there are now multiple parallel dimentions, theres a chance that the world of the bionis and mechonis could just be this new world's version of elysium and the orbital station. After all, it's where Zanza and Mayneth ended up after the phase transition happened. Outside of it there could still be real parallel to earth which is where the rest of the humans wouldve ended up. Their government would have maintained its name and eventually, thousands of years in the future, the events of X take place forcing them to flee to Mira, aka the reformed planet from xc1. Thay would be long after the recreation of the XC1 world, giving it time for their new world to reshape into mira, since theres no evidence that they were still living on titans after. You even see the bionis' head in the water at the end of XC1 showing how the titans have sunk, and they are now living on a new continent which I speculate is what became mira. If you think about it, this would also make the endless sea and the 2 titans a sort of metaphor for heaven to the people from earth. It's where the gods of the world reside as well as its core creator, Alvis, and the high entia would just straight up be like Angels. Maybe I'm being too far fetched with all this but it's fun to imagine the possibilities.
I had a fanfic where somewhere far away from the XBC 1/2 Setting is the monster hunter Continents and i like to imagine that all the landmasses are continental sized elder dragons like dalamadur loa shang lun and zorah magdaros Just imagine monolith and capcom desided to do a cross over and in a MH game your fleet explore the world then finding this drastically different world and culture. And if you play the XBC side you do the same thing
I think that when Klaus activated the Conduit to create a "new world", it was kind of like slotting a book between two other books in a bookshelf- the books on either side had to move to make way for the new one. This is why the explosion in Xenoblade X that destroys Earth actually emanates from ABOVE the planet- at roughly the location a Beanstalk could have been (refuted only by the towers being on the equator). The explosion was that single location being warped by the events in Xeno 2's world- perhaps the quantity of dark matter in the area from the Ghosts reacted with the dimensional surge and led to the explosion? Spitballing here.
"...Greek doesn't have a lot a obvious references..." Uhhhh... Ontos, Logos, and Pneuma are Greek... the first two were terms that were used in Greek philosophy before the three became applied to the Christian concept of the trinity. And don't even get me started on Elysium. XD
Actually Elysium is only in the dub. In Japanese it is refered to as 楽園, or Rakuen, literally Eden, Paradise. Meaning it is in fact a Biblical reference not a Hellenic one. Much like Aegis being "Heaven's Holy Grail". I am also of the mindset that despite having roots in Greek philosophy the Trinity Processors' names are also a Biblical reference, one to the Trinity. Hence the name Trinity Processor. This is in line with Takahashi's track record for putting heavy references to Christian Mysticism, namely Gnosticism, in Xeno games.
@@lunarcat4278 Depends a bit, if you use the word paradise that also can be equated with heaven so Elysium isn't too far off either. It really depends on what culture, belief or philosophy they want to lean into. Most Xeno games draw on Gnosticism specifically with Abrahamic mysticism added in there for the references. Gnosticism isn't really Christian or Hellenic it's in between and heretical to both in various ways. It fits well considering but that's a level of nuance that I didn't want to get into in the original post as no matter how you look at the references they are drawing on greek references be they biblical, hellenic or otherwise.
@@MaximusLight Gnosticism is inherently Christian, it just is "Heretical" not "Orthodox". It has roots in Platonism (the Monad for instance parallels heavily with the Platonic idea of Logos) sure but it is Christian. Most of the Greek-isms come from the dub not the Japanese version. They exist sure, Rhadamanthus Minos, and Aeacus, or Siren and Ophion I do fully believe that the Trinity Processors and Elysium were meant to be more in reference to Abrahamic Mysticism (including Gnostic ideas) than Hellenism.
@@lunarcat4278 You're missing the point, Biblical, Gnostic, and Hellenic are all part of Greek culture in antiquity. All three off those are separate things and borrowed terms from each other but they are all greek in context the way it's used in the game translation. Elysium is a Hellenic greek reference, the Trinty is specifically a Biblical greek reference. They can translate it that way and have it be consistent so long as you keep in mind it's all ancient Greek culture, it just doesn't work if they there trying for all biblical references. Heck it can tick any combination of the 3 and still be greek. I personally would have gone with Eden to for the reference as it fits better within the backstory but I have to admit if they were going for the afterlife sense instead Elysium works better within the story since Rex is trying to reach it, which simply isn't biblical reference as it's against the core beliefs of Christianity but does work as Hellenic or Gnostic one and the Hellenic word for afterlife leaves no question unlike the Gnostic one which is obscure and hard to get in there easily. (Also note in the context of biblical references Gnosticism is not Christian because it's a heresy. In the context of what it derives from Gnosticism is a Christian heresy but by the definition of heresy that makes it not Christian as to be heretical something has to be so different from what it is derived from that they are no longer hold the same core beliefs or are so different as to be incompatible)
The real lore question: Are Monado blades the human-scale multi-tool version of Mass Relays, or are Mass Relays Titan-scale Monados for slicing through the fabric of Space and Time?
Since we know the orbital station was made to experiment with the zohar outside the earth, what i want to know is if there was 2 more stations on the other world trees and possibly another set on the outer ring, what where the other stations used for? I mean elysium was most certainly the one holding the zohar itself but what did the others do. Where they just habitats (would seem odd given they're essentially built on a particle accelerator ring) or did they do other experiments there? Maybe one of them was for developing artifices, or one of them was the "savorite rebels"? Or (tying back into past xeno series), maybe the other stations had begun attempting to make zohar emulators from the original which could lead into whole other stories developing around those stations Also it was interesting to see you mention the government in xb2 was the same unified government in xbx (or named the same) but X still doesnt quite mess into the series for me. In X it was said earth was just caught in the middle of 2 warring alien sides and fled from them, but in xb2 the earth was seemingly at war with itself, so that still doesnt fit. I am thinking that the explosion which destroyed the earth was klaus's experiment (possibly through the multiverse) as the bad guys in X said they didnt know what caused it, implying it wasnt them nor did they see the purple ships do it, not to mention it looks exactly the same as the experiment explosion and not a planet blowing up. I guess if these 2 games are somehow in the same universe the other world trees could be where they built the colony arc ships?
Laboratories, habitats, stabilization of the ring. There's also an implication of a rebellion obviously so it's possible that the societal elite live in. The Arc ships were almost certainly built on the surface, just looking at their designs. Also, far more construction capacity on the ground than on that ring. The idea that XC2 Earth and XCX Earth are the same just doesn't work on almost any level. The technology levels of the two earths are vastly different, the implied societal situation is different, the battle scenes look nothing alike, there's no mention of aliens, the power source of a lot the super advanced earth tech in XC2 being the Conduit means that they literally COULDN'T flee earth in the way the human race did in X. There's just numerous problems. The theory just doesn't hold up at all. As for the experiment destroying Earth, I find that pretty suspect. Balance of odds is that it really was collateral damage from the Ghost ships which were shown to cause massive damage upon impact. And the explosions don't look the same. In the experiment scene, the Earth implodes on itself and then a massive explosion of energy follows. In XCX, there is an implosion looking effect, but it happens *above* earth and is followed by a massive explosion in high orbit that takes the planet out.
Your idea, if it gets enough people thinking about it, will spawn WONDERFUL crossover fics! I've been craving for some honestly. Now we'll get some good ones, and hopefully I think of some too. An idea I wanna chuck out there is that what if it's a society where it encourages their young to go out and explore the world and that's where some of the Titans came from, the smaller ones since they weren't blessed by as much ether and came out smaller, maybe that's how Leftheria was made!
"three towers" sounds like the Ar Tonelico games ;) (I think the other two towers are destroyed, tho', and there aren't any titans left than those you see in the game)
also, we rarely see any pure displacement hulls, aka ships with no titan, in Alrest. I think the Monoceros does not have a titan, but even if titans are rare, or can't be found, does not prevent someone from building a boat normally, because the principles of displacement work the same regardless of the color of the liquid. So there could be an expanse of wide open seas, where titans are rare, and people are tootling around in sailing ships, sailing between the titans that exist, or even to larger, raft like vessels.
I like to hold onto the theory that life doesn’t exist outside of Alrest because if we’re talking about the world tree (the one with the Zohar) like it’s the main source of ether, then how could other life-forms made by Klaus exist apart from it?
I've had this idea in my head for Xenoblade 2-2 to have a custom character like XCX, and they are a Blade, either as an unusual Flesh/Blade Eater, but now I could actually consider them being another Aegis... Not necessarily with Ontos/Alvis' Core Crystal (returned from XC1's world), but maybe as its own; now that other World Trees are a thing to consider, maybe there could be more Aegis Cores on the other stations, that served the same function as the ones we know... And as Blades, are similar to Malos in how he wasn't as connected to the Conduit as Pneuma definitely and more directly was...
Maybe the orbits are really effing big so the Titans have seasons, so when they are closer to the equator they hide out more. Most gormot NPCs we see have darker complections and during the events of the game, Gormot is the closest titan to the World Tree. The World Tree is really tall as it is a space elevator so you can be decently far away from it. But I think the characters should have darker skin tones.
The idea of life only existing around the equator due to the station ringing around the country along the equator, i thought instantly about one piece and the grand line lol
This is one thing I find interesting about the xeno games, iv only played xenoblade 2, started 1, but not even like 10 hours in the remake was announced, neither geara or saga, but I always found the lore interessting. Its not super complex like kh, but it has the deepness and indescribable feeling, show in connection, this makes me think X was more of a prequal, where the world of 2 takes place, since society was rebuilt there.
I think they would still have Titans seeing how Klaus talks about rebuilding the world and not just the area near the WT but they probably could reach their station fairly easily since he could not ''interfere'' so they could have better technology than Alrest but still not enough to reach the other world trees since they don't have access to the Conduit , this could open up so many possibilities for future games but I really hope they don't go for a direct sequels but come up with an entire new story with some vague connection to the Conduit or Zohar Rex's story has come to a closure and the plot twist about true definite connection to the other Xenogames would not have the same impact twice
I like the idea that one of the worlds trees has survivors on it. Maybe even orbital stations above Elysium! But what would be funnier is a race of super-advanced Nopon with tech from one of the orbital stations. Imagine if artificial blades like Poppi were commonplace because the Nopon there had the tech to mass produce them. What if these Nopon were very imperialist and looked down on Alrest’s Nopon? Or what if they felt compelled to advance those Nopon? Could they start a war? Nopon vs Humans would be really cool!
To apply some real life logic, French Guiana is only slightly above the equator, which makes it the perfect location for stargazing and sending up rockets, which is why NASA and the ESA often conduct joint operations, on the territory. It's possible that the United States bought the territory from France and turned it into their big spaceport colony
Luxin you forgot about all of your previous ideas when the Conduit was activated during this because you said that the ring could be a particle accelerator and the event only looked like an explosion because the light from said event was spreading across reality while that energy in the ring upon the activation used the beanstalks as a power refuel and went around the planet multiple times all while the ring was transporting that energy
do you think the three aigises were supposed to be scattered to the other elevators? like a last line of defence in case someone invaded from the inside?
A long time ago I played this dark little nintendo game called Drawn to Life. Turns out the cute little creatures were dreamed up by a kid in a coma. For all we know, Nopon exist as a part of Klaus's childhood imagination, or maybe some random kids'.
I wonder if by being other larger stations they had their own artifacts like the conduit, or maybe just from being connected by the orbital ring they were affected in a way, like the main stations, that resulted in other worlds being created like xenoblade one by other people. Your Sky Pirate and kind of frontier cloud settlements like idea reminds me of Skies of Arcadia and a bit of Gravity Rush 2. Would love to see something like them again in a xenoblade style.
8:00 to be fair, for some reason the orbital ring is shown to be over the middle of South America, significantly south of the equator, so there is an error somewhere in there.
The issue of having something on the equator is that if the magnetic poles change, the equator changes. We can't assume that their equator is out equator
@@danstr6766 it's not the equator of the magnetic poles, it's the equator of the rotational axis. and we are still talking about the year 20xx, so i don't thing either axis has shifted that much by then.
anticlines like titans living under the sea hole countries where its forbidden to go to the surface i liked the idea that tantal lived under the sea if one was like that then id love to see more pluse im a sucker for domed cities and biomes
While there's Earth imagery at the end of Xenoblade, maybe Alrest isn't Earth, but some alien world. They are also native to planet Mira. Another thing is that Alrest being home to the Zohar, with beanstalk, and orbital station(s) makes it basically a clone of the Galactic Federation capital Fifth Jerusalem in Xenosaga Episode 3.
Already told you about it but I'm going to put it here! Here's one of an outcome I'm going to explore: Alrest Humans seem to show up very late on the evolution tree (at Alrest, at least) that their titans are already at the point of ageing, dying even. As shown with Mor Ardain (confirmed to be dying), and Gormotti starting to age (bad crops and nature not doing so great), not sure about Uraya. The Indol titan seems to be younger, as it was explained in game that they descend from Judicium (which died, supposedly Temperentia) and many other titans that have passed away. Indol is for sure an analogy to the Vatican where everything is imported and noting is native, with the exception of the land itself. Indoline people might have affected life on Indol which resulted in no life on the titan. One of the outcomes I thought about was, let's say that core crystals and the cloud sea mutation with the core crystals happened throughout the planet, especially on the other elevators (sparse in between, concentrated like Alrest at the Beanstalks). Since there aren't any Amalthuses running around on the other beanstalks, you can see the full extent of the life Klaus envisioned, with newer titans being born, better blades being made and ultimately life being upgraded each time a titan gets born. You's also be seeing the migratory flux and land ownership in full force, which the former was teased by Indol, Torna at the end of the game, and Mor Ardain with Gormott, where people from old and near-dying titans would migrate to a younger titan, possibly merge with the already existing civilisation there or witnessing their progress and either doing an American history rehash or start living together. For the latter, people waging wars over the ownership of titans just like Ancient Europe, that would more than likely happen when governments, empires and kingdoms are formed and seek other big sized titans to secure for migration just like Mor Ardain, except that they have to go through wars to claim the lands. A question I would have is that, would the Aegises control the remote blades and titans' data? I would assume so, because Klaus said that they were tasked of managing all of them, without mentioning a limit to the range affected. And without the tale and history of Aegises, I wonder how the other Titans and civilisations would look at life, like the people on the Bionis and Mechonis? Where it's an endless sea where living beings only get to live on titans? The blades got weapons as an evolutionary mutation as Klaus said, what would be the next implementation? Better control over the ether, faster cycles before turning into a titan, the guess is as good as mine. Would someone as crazy as Amalthus exist to climb up the elevators but see nothing but ruins? Would Cloud Sea lifeforms encounter pre-experiment humans? if so, would the humans go down and live with Cloud Sea lifeforms, are they even compatible between each other, we know for a fact by Klaus that Cloud Sea lifeforms (titans, lifeforms born from titans and blades) aren't fully organic, their base cells are made out of the Cloud Sea's nanoparticles, while the true Earth humans are organic. What if they can't live on the Titans because of a reaction between the organic cells and the nanoparticles (is that one of the reasons why Klaus was stranded in Elysium?) and have to deal with a dilemma being to either modify themselves to be compatible with Cloud Sea life or stay up there in the Beanstalks, similar to Elysium where they decide to continue living comfortably in their paradise. Would the Cloud Sea humans accept it? After the Cloud Sea clearance by Klaus at the end of XB2, I assume the titans wouldn't gather since Klaus ordered only the ones on Alrest to do so. That event would be very strange and mind breaking for life outside of Alrest. But guess that the logical solution is that the Titans will do exactly like Bionis and Mechonis, just stand up or swim through the ocean now. They would also be surprised at the pre-experiment ruins like Morytha (assuming that the cities under the Beanstalks were preserved and everything else turned into just ocean). That's just a single outcome I explored, (could lead to a fantastic fanfiction lol). You realise how much spinoff/sidequels potentials are there. I just created a what if scenario that doesn't even contradicts the plot or lore of the game, lol.
hachimitsuka miel this is pretty much why I adore xenoblade 2s world, it brings up many interesting questions and scenarios (but not too much to the point where it overloads the player) and unlike xenoblade x, 2 explained the basics of Alrest and the Titans in a way that’s more easier to digest while Mira in xenoblade xhad way too many questions and a lot of its Lore in X was way too vague for its own good.
@@mectainea5575 I completely agree, in terms of lore and worldbuilding, Xenoblade 2 is top-class compared to most of its JRPG peers. It's not too linear or constrained (which can be good on its own merits too, like XB1), which leaves a lot of room for interpretation but has strong and defined foundations to potentially build a strong plot out of it unlike X. While the plot on both X and 2 (chapters 1 to 6) were on the weaker side, I think the lore and worldbuilding overall did an amazing job on the game. Personally didn't really like the small packs of titans format but the concept was good and the execution was excellent and I cannot deny that. It can still a bit too vague in certain aspects in my opinion (especially on the blades and titans, and timeline of events), but I don't expect a game to explain absolutely everything about its world and how it functions that's why I find it near excellence.
Imagine xenoblade 3 is about a world without an aegis So it cant defend for itself So around halfway the main character of xenoblade 1 and 2 show up to help the new main character
Or maybe Blades in a different setting basically all developed into somekind of devicethat allows the user to do something akin to casting elemental magic
If there is other beanstalks they are not in XC2. This is backed by Pneuma in the last chapter after defeating Aion.. who shows the crew a miniature version of Elysium breaking a part, only one beanstalk is present in this presentation.
@Luxin Please see this, I’ve had this timeline theory that connects most, if not all, the Xeno games. Now you are definitely more knowledgeable on Xeno lore. But please humor my theory! I’m gonna try to abridge it. (Also note I have only played Xenoblade 1+2) Okay, so in the past of Xenoblade 2 there was a great war, the war that Klaus nukes the planet ending it. This nuking is the same nuking at the start of Xenoblade X! The evacuation ships didn’t know the full scale and knowledge the player has, so they simply thought and interpreted the Earth getting vaporized. When it was actually Klaus! This is supported slightly by the similar destruction of the planet, and Lin saying they plan on searching for Earth in the future, showing that not everyone believes the planet was vaporized. Fast forward A LOT, and the humans of Xenoblade X, became the humans of Xenosage. Having never found Earth and regarding it as a myth of legend. All the while Klaus was reseeding the planet as punishment for his actions. Fast forward again to Xenosage 3, KOS-MOS is see drifting towards an unknown planet, this planet? EARTH! She falls to the surface and her essence and data is collected by Klaus’ nanomachines repairing and reseeding the planet. Copying her, and T-elos’ life data into core crystals. Canonizing their appearance in Xenoblade 2! Fast forward more, Xenoblade 2 and Xenoblade 1 story end. Shulk kills Zanza, and Klaus dies as a result. Klaus was the only thing tying the 2 physical universes and the Conduit together, and Shulk cut that tie. The Conduit then tried to “Reboot”, but Pneuma cut herself off in a sacrifice and Malos was effectively dead, so it had to slip through Klaus into Xenoblade 1 for Alvis. Giving Alvis true god universe altering divinity. Which Shulk promptly requested a universe without gods. Alvis obliged, seen himself as the only “god” left, he simply did just that, he left to a new universe. But in doing so, tore a hole connecting the 2, thus the events of Future Connect. But now where does Xenogears fit? I’ll be honest, I know the least of Xenogears, so I will leave that connect up to you! Maybe Gears is the future of Xenoblade 1, maybe is a prequel to everything and Alvis simply sent himself back to that time with the Conduit to reboot?
I believe that the the plural of Aegis is Aegis. Just like how the plural for Moose is Moose. Just saying, of course Could be completely wrong and the correct answer is indeed "More badass Blades."
Prolly not cuz the aegises are the trinity processor cores which were created to control the power of the conduit which was kept on radamanthus til klaus fucked shit up.
Something that’s always seemed odd to me about XC2, and I don’t think you have ever addressed in a video, is how some Titans (notably Mor Ardain and Gormott) seem to walk; I believe you even see them explicitly walking in certain cutscenes. This should be impossible considering the crushing depths of the Cloud Sea, however. Have you come up with any explanation?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the Titans themselves generate ether just by breathing? I know that, at least in XC1 that was a thing on Bionis, and it seemed to be implied, in XC2, when you visit Tantal, that it's a thing in XC2 as well. Not to mention Ether miasma. In which case, there doesn't really need to be a specific distance from Rhadamanthus that Titan's can roam, they just go wherever and the ones circling the WT just really like doing that for some reason. (might be the Conduit, might be something else.)
Your speculation about the architect's power being less at distance and all that has no basis in reality. All we know is there was three beanstalks and it was from elisium specifically that humans were cast out and later helped by the architect. There is no mention of other groups of humans cast out from other stations and for all we know those could have been occupied by the other faction in the war.
These names don't show the lack of confidence in the space elevators, but the total opposite. As Klaus said. They now onl, are a symbol of humanities hubris, but we're meant to show humanities development and prosperity. The space elevators being named after the judges of humans. So humanity was basically trying to say that they would triumph over death
Did the model kit indicate whether the other 2 beanstalks survive the whole conduit events? Just because there WAS 3 beanstalks, doesn’t mean their still IS 3 beanstalks.
Nopon very rarely have the aptitude to become a driver. Could that be related to them not originating from Alrest?
I always thought that Klaus had programmed the titans to orbit the world tree similarly to how he programs them to join with New Elysium.
My coworker and I both love xenoblade and we have come to the conclusion that 1 and 2 are in different universes and that 2's universe has earth and that is where 2 plays out the cloud sea is above earth so when you visit it later that is the aftermath of the space station shit. It's really stupid but this is our starting theory.
@@kitsuneking6969 That's factually accurate, not an interpretive conclusion :P
So no, that isn't dumb. You were paying attention.
@@kitsuneking6969, yeah that's canon, so not particularly an outlandish theory to have
@@kitsuneking6969 I don't know if I should call you stupid or a genius cause they literally explain that's exactly how it works. So a good theory I guess
@@JamoXeno Looking back at out conversations we thought that under the cloud sea was ACTUALLY EARTH. I don't think I conveyed that properly and if the games explained that I I must've missed it (There's a lot of info in the games and sometimes I miss something or forget) yeah I wrote the top comment pretty poorly. I was saying the space station blowing up and creating the rift thingy split the universe into 2 or more continuities (I think that's the right word) and 1 is in a separate one from 2. And 2 mostly takes place above earth on the cloud sea. Then later you visit it and there are what seem to be remnants of human civilization and the zombie things (which we suspected were zombified because of the rift thingy) Its kinda confusing and I am confusing myself as I go on.
The “titans everywhere in the world” idea where they’re small and people have to explore reminds me of Wind Waker
Zeke von Genbu, Bringer of Chaos how so?
None Business Because in Wind Waker there are islands scattered across a vast ocean.
@@wildfiresnap Like how any large body of water works -_-
You think that lore being inside a model kit is weird? Just look at Kingdom Hearts, where there's vital plot only revealed at Orchestras
Lmao, Japan is weird
@@GrandProtectorDark
Yep
@Grant Delia
Wow, really? Well, it is Yoko Taro
Yeah but thats cause kingdom hearts lore is made up as they go along
@@ontos8534
Not necessarily
@Just a Human The conversation between The Lingering Will and Namine was a part of an orchesta, we imply that the conversation happend in both the base kh3 and ReMind but we never actually hear it
I hope that one day we get something like future connected but with xc2.
I really want to see Rex dual wield 2 aegis swords.
Well that… kindaaaaaaaa happened?
It's happening! ᵇᵘᵗ ᶦⁿ ˣᶜ³ ᵈˡᶜ.
Your wish came true!
Future Redeemed is here!
Double spinning edge
I still believe that breath of the wild exists beneath the cloud sea.
Okay well now im just imagening one of the titans tripping on death mountain
The dragons, when the float through the sky in Zelda, are the various Titans in Xenoblade
@@linkalot7415 not titans, but artifices
Pyra is Hylia!
Oh, and the Elysium tree (where Rex meets Pyra the first time) is actually on the Moon from Majora's Mask. It's all connected.
Xenoblade chronicles is starting to get into lotr lore territory. And I love it.
Eru gave us the Zohar because Melkor dared him
@@benwykes4736 indeed!
I mean the destruction of Torna could be compared to the destruction of beleriand in the war of wrath
Personally, i think that the other two beanstalks were transported to other dimensions/universes for two more numbered Xenoblade games. Since neither one is shown in the final cutscenes (whether they were retcon'd or not). I still dont believe that X is "connected" to 1 and 2, its a different universe imo or is VR for one of the Trinity Core Processors to help them develop a personality. But honestly, who knows where Monolith is gonna go with the next Xeno games, but i'm excited either way.
Maybe one is in the first Xenoblade and Just sunk to the bottom of the ocean, now we have in definitive Edition the Fogking and it was shown as If its Not its last appearence. This Rift is Just Like: I am from Xeno 3 Universe. And from a Game Design personality, it Looks Like it will come again
ah yes more lore from that model kit that has sat unfinished in my shed for over a year
Get on that
I'll take it off your hands mate, happy to take one for the team
How high is the cloud sea? And taking in cinsideration the geological activity of the earth, maybe the Everest can be above the cloud sea
Maybe some titan comunity, speaking and all, maybe using blades themselves
This is very interesting to think about, knowing what we know now.
I always found it weird how without the conduit the entire low orbit station just completely breaks, you'd think with 3 beanstalks all around the equator it would at least keep it somewhat stable.
Unless the other 2 stations weren't there, Klaus said many people and many THINGS were warped into different dimensions, so maybe Xenoblade 3 could be a pocket dimension again like Xenoblade 1 where the characters investigate at least one of the other two beanstalks (also I want an evil death god Galea AU)
MonadoDank Luxin did make a video a while back on how the world tree could exist and the idea is that inside the ring, there’s a fast moving cable that has an electric current going through it to keep it from touching anything in the ring and without the conduit, that very cable ends up touching the ring and rip the station apart from the inside out.
Well the conduit is likely the only power source capable of maintaining the entire structure. I think Pneuma mentions some sort of thrusters, so it likely needs power to remain stable
@MonadoDank the other 2 space elevators were destroyed in the conduit experiment
Oh hey you predicted the future (redeemed)
What if the other trees got destroyed as the world was reset? It would make sense because Rhadamanthus has the Conduit so it didn't get destroyed. Just another thing to think about.
This box info completely decimated my view of how it was in morytha back then. It made me a little sad.
I'm going to contend that the XC2 world does have pirates, it's just that in Japan it's kind of a contentious issue to depict them (because they're a very real issue in SEA).
"No piracy"
Theory and Praxis: "Are we a joke to you?"
You might say that that quest line is more akin to thieves than pirates, but the same sort of idea is definitely there. Especpally since THEORY HAS AN EYE PATCH AND SABER.
Don’t forget to add that Theory is better. That too
Vietnam flashbacks of theory's driver
Skyloft is probably out there XD
I thought the Nopon were shown during Klaus’s giant loredump as just one of the evolutionary paths that led to the different species of humans in Alrest. Indolese are birdlike, but still human, I think Nopon qualify as well, albeit they’re a more divergent strain.
As interesting as it is having the other beanstalks I doubt Klaus’ fixing of the world would only extend to a small part of the world, as far as the other beanstalks go realistically they were probably sent off to another dimension during the space time transition event and wouldn’t be there anymore with only the top area connected to the ring left. Klaus outright said that morytha and the space station are the only remaining parts of his world so that’s what I think happened
That last one...
Noponis is out there?
World Tree =
Beanstalk
Zanza/Arglas/Klaus = Giant (Soul of Bionis)
Amalthus/Rex = Jack
Jack & the beanstalk😮
Rhadamanthus, Aeacus and Minos? That's Hades strongest warriors from Saint Seiya...
*Insert "Holy shit, is that a Saint Seiya Reference?!" Here*
They’re the Judges of the dead in Greek myth, assigned by Zeus, actually.
Saori no tame ni
Maiagare,wa ga ru cosmooooo
We need a new game with a story involving those other 2 trees.
The United States did have two former territories near the equator, The Panama Canal Zone and the Philippines, the Canal Zone was returned to Panama in 1999, and the Philippines was given independence after World War II. Maybe in the Xenoblade 2 universe one of them remained part of the US (maybe becoming states)
I feel like the other two stations were a lot smaller and didnt have their own Elysiums or the labs that Rahdamanthus has they were just to support and maintain the ring
God finally somebody says it, this is just an awesome concept. I've been working on some fanfic ideas myself. So far i suppose im more interested in the wastes and ruins of the civilizations left behind but more habitaed titans in they're own sorta sea tide pool rose are could be fucking sick
What if at the end of Xenoblade 1 and 2 , both the worlds merged after Zanza was defeated? Since the worlds in Xenoblade 1 and 2 are closely tied I wouldn't be surprised if they went with this in Xenoblade 3.
It would explain why Pyra and Mythra were separated at the end of XC2: Because Shulk wished for a world without any gods. With the Conduit, Klaus, and Malos all gone, Pneuma would be the only thing close to being a God. However, if Pneuma was separated into Pyra and Mythra, no more godlike being.
Welp seems like you called it
Lol wow dude you nailed that one
Billions of years has passed since the incident. Whoever was in the space station that’s didn’t get Conduit power (like Klaus) died
I still think that when Klaus mentions humanity being scattered from the incident and when Pneuma shows the orbital ring with only one beanstalk it's possibly the case where the other bean stalks were scatter throughout time and space too. I personally think it would be cool if the other beanstalks were the source of the Ganglion's creators in X and that society is just the small group of survivors from the Klaus incident that were left on the stalks when they were transported. Mimeosomes could just be based around the blade tech and core crystals and the Vita an old war machine. They could have been transported into the future and into a post Chronicles universe. The world in X has ether and a Telethia plus so many in world references to Chronicles it could potentially be the future of the world Shulk creates and Shulk's society failed for some reason (which could be the plot for Xenoblade 3) and X2 could be them discovering the ruins contextually. Elma could possibly be a descendent of said society too, based on her looks alone it's almost as if she's a mix of human and machina.
I really hope that Xenoblade Chronicles X takes place in the universe with the original Earth that Klaus destroyed. Like, the destruction of Earth at the start of X was the Klaus incident. It might need some retcons, but X is still an incomplete saga, so hopefully we’ll see something.
@@Gloomdrake honestly, anything that can add X into the mainline story would be great. X is a fantastic game and I can't wait to see more of it whenever that happens.
Very interesting about Elma looking like a human/machina mix. I never noticed it before but you're right.
@@Gloomdrake It would need several novels of retcons and would completely and utterly throw the narrative of X off track and throw 90% of its lore in the bin.
Nuvendil Not really
In concepts like these medium and high orbit stations usually aren't a thing. They aren't called low orbit station, because they are low stations ow many, but because they are stations that were created in low orbit. And low orbit is kinda the most viable place to put a station like this
Pirates? That's basically the origin of Argentum, right?
Wouldn’t Bana be a pirate, because he just wants money?
Ok so if there are two more world trees I think the Ai helped run not just the conduit but also the orbit station so that could mean six more aegis I know I could be very wrong but that could make an incredible villain group maybe the reason the Ai weren’t on radamantionos was because they weren’t mentally stable enough as their raising in the digital world failed them.
I just think that could make an incredible story to work on they could have been part off the reason ontos went evil in future redeemed they were in origin and effected ontos the main program and turn him evil.
My understanding is that Ontos went mad within Origin because they (or in just the core form "it" I suppose) were being tasked with doing Trinity Processor-level stuff despite being the one Trinity Processor core not designed to be fully-functional while by itself. Ultimately three humans being turned into AIs to be what is basically a new Trinity Processor within Origin proved to be a more stable setup. So in a sense we did get three more Aegises, with one of them poetically being Rex. I imagine "those two" as Rex says in FR will be pretty amused by that come their reunion once the worlds are done splitting again.
The Bionis / Mechonis have a beanstalk and Alvis just uses a transferal channel to get powers from the Conduit, Give Zanza and Mayneth some of his power and make the beanstalk invisible... oh no... that could work too...
Edit : Also Noponis conformed?
I always imagined Nopon coming from the XC1 universe to the XC2 universe somehow because if the XC2 universe really was like our world before the Conduit's arrival, then it wouldn't make any sense for there to have already been Nopon on Earth because our Earth doesn't have Nopon, obviously. My guess is that Klaus was somehow inspired to make them while blueprinting new life on Alrest (because half of him is in the XC1 universe, and we know that he has at least a vague understanding of what is going on in that universe, i.e. sensing his own death approaching as Shulk & co. work to bring down Zanza).
I think the reason the ring and beanstalk weren't in Xenoblade 1s flashback because that was a story told by Alvis who may not have all of the data while the Xenoblade 2 Flashback was a memory from Klaus himself
I have this nut job theory that what if Xenoblade X secretly stands for the roman numeral 10 and it's just so insanely far down the timeline that there are 7 other hypothetical games between 1/2 and X. Given that the nopon know of the monado in X and Tatsu references the homs, I do seriously believe that the nopon in X are distant descendants of the nopon of XC1. That also leads me to think that with the telethia being present in X as well, that there are too many things pointing to the notion of it being a distant future.
Then theres the parallel of the unified governments of 2 and X having the same name in japanese. It made me realize that since there are now multiple parallel dimentions, theres a chance that the world of the bionis and mechonis could just be this new world's version of elysium and the orbital station. After all, it's where Zanza and Mayneth ended up after the phase transition happened. Outside of it there could still be real parallel to earth which is where the rest of the humans wouldve ended up. Their government would have maintained its name and eventually, thousands of years in the future, the events of X take place forcing them to flee to Mira, aka the reformed planet from xc1. Thay would be long after the recreation of the XC1 world, giving it time for their new world to reshape into mira, since theres no evidence that they were still living on titans after. You even see the bionis' head in the water at the end of XC1 showing how the titans have sunk, and they are now living on a new continent which I speculate is what became mira. If you think about it, this would also make the endless sea and the 2 titans a sort of metaphor for heaven to the people from earth. It's where the gods of the world reside as well as its core creator, Alvis, and the high entia would just straight up be like Angels. Maybe I'm being too far fetched with all this but it's fun to imagine the possibilities.
Oh the three Judges of the Hades’ Army from Saint Seiya are actually space elevators.
I had a fanfic where somewhere far away from the XBC 1/2 Setting is the monster hunter Continents and i like to imagine that all the landmasses are continental sized elder dragons like dalamadur loa shang lun and zorah magdaros
Just imagine monolith and capcom desided to do a cross over and in a MH game your fleet explore the world then finding this drastically different world and culture. And if you play the XBC side you do the same thing
I think that when Klaus activated the Conduit to create a "new world", it was kind of like slotting a book between two other books in a bookshelf- the books on either side had to move to make way for the new one. This is why the explosion in Xenoblade X that destroys Earth actually emanates from ABOVE the planet- at roughly the location a Beanstalk could have been (refuted only by the towers being on the equator). The explosion was that single location being warped by the events in Xeno 2's world- perhaps the quantity of dark matter in the area from the Ghosts reacted with the dimensional surge and led to the explosion? Spitballing here.
Could be, could be not. Couldn't say for sure. I like your theory though.
"...Greek doesn't have a lot a obvious references..." Uhhhh... Ontos, Logos, and Pneuma are Greek... the first two were terms that were used in Greek philosophy before the three became applied to the Christian concept of the trinity. And don't even get me started on Elysium. XD
Actually Elysium is only in the dub. In Japanese it is refered to as 楽園, or Rakuen, literally Eden, Paradise. Meaning it is in fact a Biblical reference not a Hellenic one. Much like Aegis being "Heaven's Holy Grail". I am also of the mindset that despite having roots in Greek philosophy the Trinity Processors' names are also a Biblical reference, one to the Trinity. Hence the name Trinity Processor. This is in line with Takahashi's track record for putting heavy references to Christian Mysticism, namely Gnosticism, in Xeno games.
@@lunarcat4278 Depends a bit, if you use the word paradise that also can be equated with heaven so Elysium isn't too far off either. It really depends on what culture, belief or philosophy they want to lean into. Most Xeno games draw on Gnosticism specifically with Abrahamic mysticism added in there for the references. Gnosticism isn't really Christian or Hellenic it's in between and heretical to both in various ways. It fits well considering but that's a level of nuance that I didn't want to get into in the original post as no matter how you look at the references they are drawing on greek references be they biblical, hellenic or otherwise.
@@MaximusLight Gnosticism is inherently Christian, it just is "Heretical" not "Orthodox". It has roots in Platonism (the Monad for instance parallels heavily with the Platonic idea of Logos) sure but it is Christian. Most of the Greek-isms come from the dub not the Japanese version. They exist sure, Rhadamanthus Minos, and Aeacus, or Siren and Ophion I do fully believe that the Trinity Processors and Elysium were meant to be more in reference to Abrahamic Mysticism (including Gnostic ideas) than Hellenism.
@@lunarcat4278 You're missing the point, Biblical, Gnostic, and Hellenic are all part of Greek culture in antiquity. All three off those are separate things and borrowed terms from each other but they are all greek in context the way it's used in the game translation. Elysium is a Hellenic greek reference, the Trinty is specifically a Biblical greek reference. They can translate it that way and have it be consistent so long as you keep in mind it's all ancient Greek culture, it just doesn't work if they there trying for all biblical references. Heck it can tick any combination of the 3 and still be greek.
I personally would have gone with Eden to for the reference as it fits better within the backstory but I have to admit if they were going for the afterlife sense instead Elysium works better within the story since Rex is trying to reach it, which simply isn't biblical reference as it's against the core beliefs of Christianity but does work as Hellenic or Gnostic one and the Hellenic word for afterlife leaves no question unlike the Gnostic one which is obscure and hard to get in there easily.
(Also note in the context of biblical references Gnosticism is not Christian because it's a heresy. In the context of what it derives from Gnosticism is a Christian heresy but by the definition of heresy that makes it not Christian as to be heretical something has to be so different from what it is derived from that they are no longer hold the same core beliefs or are so different as to be incompatible)
The real lore question:
Are Monado blades the human-scale multi-tool version of Mass Relays, or are Mass Relays Titan-scale Monados for slicing through the fabric of Space and Time?
Since we know the orbital station was made to experiment with the zohar outside the earth, what i want to know is if there was 2 more stations on the other world trees and possibly another set on the outer ring, what where the other stations used for? I mean elysium was most certainly the one holding the zohar itself but what did the others do. Where they just habitats (would seem odd given they're essentially built on a particle accelerator ring) or did they do other experiments there? Maybe one of them was for developing artifices, or one of them was the "savorite rebels"? Or (tying back into past xeno series), maybe the other stations had begun attempting to make zohar emulators from the original which could lead into whole other stories developing around those stations
Also it was interesting to see you mention the government in xb2 was the same unified government in xbx (or named the same) but X still doesnt quite mess into the series for me. In X it was said earth was just caught in the middle of 2 warring alien sides and fled from them, but in xb2 the earth was seemingly at war with itself, so that still doesnt fit. I am thinking that the explosion which destroyed the earth was klaus's experiment (possibly through the multiverse) as the bad guys in X said they didnt know what caused it, implying it wasnt them nor did they see the purple ships do it, not to mention it looks exactly the same as the experiment explosion and not a planet blowing up. I guess if these 2 games are somehow in the same universe the other world trees could be where they built the colony arc ships?
Laboratories, habitats, stabilization of the ring. There's also an implication of a rebellion obviously so it's possible that the societal elite live in.
The Arc ships were almost certainly built on the surface, just looking at their designs. Also, far more construction capacity on the ground than on that ring.
The idea that XC2 Earth and XCX Earth are the same just doesn't work on almost any level. The technology levels of the two earths are vastly different, the implied societal situation is different, the battle scenes look nothing alike, there's no mention of aliens, the power source of a lot the super advanced earth tech in XC2 being the Conduit means that they literally COULDN'T flee earth in the way the human race did in X. There's just numerous problems. The theory just doesn't hold up at all.
As for the experiment destroying Earth, I find that pretty suspect. Balance of odds is that it really was collateral damage from the Ghost ships which were shown to cause massive damage upon impact.
And the explosions don't look the same. In the experiment scene, the Earth implodes on itself and then a massive explosion of energy follows. In XCX, there is an implosion looking effect, but it happens *above* earth and is followed by a massive explosion in high orbit that takes the planet out.
Your idea, if it gets enough people thinking about it, will spawn WONDERFUL crossover fics! I've been craving for some honestly. Now we'll get some good ones, and hopefully I think of some too.
An idea I wanna chuck out there is that what if it's a society where it encourages their young to go out and explore the world and that's where some of the Titans came from, the smaller ones since they weren't blessed by as much ether and came out smaller, maybe that's how Leftheria was made!
"As a form of Nicholas, Klaus means "the people's victory" and implies someone who serves his community and devotes himself to the greater good."
"three towers" sounds like the Ar Tonelico games ;) (I think the other two towers are destroyed, tho', and there aren't any titans left than those you see in the game)
@@TARDISES "your words are mere confusion to me" (I've never seen any gundam... yet)
Nopon are aliens from Mira change my mind
also, we rarely see any pure displacement hulls, aka ships with no titan, in Alrest. I think the Monoceros does not have a titan, but even if titans are rare, or can't be found, does not prevent someone from building a boat normally, because the principles of displacement work the same regardless of the color of the liquid. So there could be an expanse of wide open seas, where titans are rare, and people are tootling around in sailing ships, sailing between the titans that exist, or even to larger, raft like vessels.
I like to hold onto the theory that life doesn’t exist outside of Alrest because if we’re talking about the world tree (the one with the Zohar) like it’s the main source of ether, then how could other life-forms made by Klaus exist apart from it?
Xenoblade chronicles 3 Grand line of titans
I've had this idea in my head for Xenoblade 2-2 to have a custom character like XCX, and they are a Blade, either as an unusual Flesh/Blade Eater, but now I could actually consider them being another Aegis...
Not necessarily with Ontos/Alvis' Core Crystal (returned from XC1's world), but maybe as its own; now that other World Trees are a thing to consider, maybe there could be more Aegis Cores on the other stations, that served the same function as the ones we know... And as Blades, are similar to Malos in how he wasn't as connected to the Conduit as Pneuma definitely and more directly was...
I want to know exactly where the conduit/zohar came from and who the saviorite rebels were.
All we know about the Conduit is that it was found during an excavation in Africa. Extremely similar to how Xenosaga's Zohar was found, actually.
It is a pseudo perpetual energy generator that shifted into the dimension and absorbed the Wave Existence making it effectively a God.
gmaster2647 I think it’s confirmed that Zohar = Conduit
Spencer yeah i was thinking the same thing
*Karen Smith voice*
"If they're from the equator...why are they white?"
Maybe the orbits are really effing big so the Titans have seasons, so when they are closer to the equator they hide out more. Most gormot NPCs we see have darker complections and during the events of the game, Gormot is the closest titan to the World Tree. The World Tree is really tall as it is a space elevator so you can be decently far away from it. But I think the characters should have darker skin tones.
Wait what video was it that you theorized the Beanstalk is in texas? Even if it's disproven I still wanna watch lol
The idea of life only existing around the equator due to the station ringing around the country along the equator, i thought instantly about one piece and the grand line lol
i absolutely love love love the idea of just, everywhere else on earth is fine, alrest is just like that
This is one thing I find interesting about the xeno games, iv only played xenoblade 2, started 1, but not even like 10 hours in the remake was announced, neither geara or saga, but I always found the lore interessting. Its not super complex like kh, but it has the deepness and indescribable feeling, show in connection, this makes me think X was more of a prequal, where the world of 2 takes place, since society was rebuilt there.
Wow, this game is a narrative masterpiece. Holy shit, thanks for this video!
Wil E Oh, shush, that’s not how anything works.
Wil E You’re taking critics too seriously
I think they would still have Titans seeing how Klaus talks about rebuilding the world and not just the area near the WT but they probably could reach their station fairly easily since he could not ''interfere'' so they could have better technology than Alrest but still not enough to reach the other world trees since they don't have access to the Conduit , this could open up so many possibilities for future games but I really hope they don't go for a direct sequels but come up with an entire new story with some vague connection to the Conduit or Zohar Rex's story has come to a closure and the plot twist about true definite connection to the other Xenogames would not have the same impact twice
11:54 "play xenosaga" "also i like haze"
I like the idea that one of the worlds trees has survivors on it. Maybe even orbital stations above Elysium! But what would be funnier is a race of super-advanced Nopon with tech from one of the orbital stations. Imagine if artificial blades like Poppi were commonplace because the Nopon there had the tech to mass produce them. What if these Nopon were very imperialist and looked down on Alrest’s Nopon? Or what if they felt compelled to advance those Nopon? Could they start a war? Nopon vs Humans would be really cool!
To apply some real life logic, French Guiana is only slightly above the equator, which makes it the perfect location for stargazing and sending up rockets, which is why NASA and the ESA often conduct joint operations, on the territory. It's possible that the United States bought the territory from France and turned it into their big spaceport colony
Luxin you forgot about all of your previous ideas when the Conduit was activated during this because you said that the ring could be a particle accelerator and the event only looked like an explosion because the light from said event was spreading across reality while that energy in the ring upon the activation used the beanstalks as a power refuel and went around the planet multiple times all while the ring was transporting that energy
The Xeno series LOVE its threes...
do you think the three aigises were supposed to be scattered to the other elevators? like a last line of defence in case someone invaded from the inside?
Elysium is at least in the Japanese soundtrack as “Elysium, in the blue sky” has the same name in Japanese and English
wait a second, 20XX? the backstory of XC2 takes place at the same time as Mega Man and Pikmin 3?
A long time ago I played this dark little nintendo game called Drawn to Life. Turns out the cute little creatures were dreamed up by a kid in a coma. For all we know, Nopon exist as a part of Klaus's childhood imagination, or maybe some random kids'.
I wonder if by being other larger stations they had their own artifacts like the conduit, or maybe just from being connected by the orbital ring they were affected in a way, like the main stations, that resulted in other worlds being created like xenoblade one by other people.
Your Sky Pirate and kind of frontier cloud settlements like idea reminds me of Skies of Arcadia and a bit of Gravity Rush 2. Would love to see something like them again in a xenoblade style.
8:00 to be fair, for some reason the orbital ring is shown to be over the middle of South America, significantly south of the equator, so there is an error somewhere in there.
The issue of having something on the equator is that if the magnetic poles change, the equator changes. We can't assume that their equator is out equator
@@danstr6766 it's not the equator of the magnetic poles, it's the equator of the rotational axis. and we are still talking about the year 20xx, so i don't thing either axis has shifted that much by then.
I'm getting the impression you would REALLY like the idea of Skies of Arcadia meeting Xeno. And holy crap, typing that sentence, so do I.
anticlines like titans living under the sea hole countries where its forbidden to go to the surface i liked the idea that tantal lived under the sea if one was like that then id love to see more pluse im a sucker for domed cities and biomes
While there's Earth imagery at the end of Xenoblade, maybe Alrest isn't Earth, but some alien world. They are also native to planet Mira. Another thing is that Alrest being home to the Zohar, with beanstalk, and orbital station(s) makes it basically a clone of the Galactic Federation capital Fifth Jerusalem in Xenosaga Episode 3.
ruclips.net/video/sUcfDSFQFQU/видео.html - this place.
Yeah its earth my guy
Uh, did I interpret a certain comment right? Did you say that the bionis and mechonis are zanza and meyneth's blades?
Me personally I figured Zanza and Meyneth were blades based of their former human selves. Bionis Mechonis being their Titan forms
Percy Jackson does include the three kings tho. They're still the judges of the dead
Percy Jackson is extremely cringe
@@emilyantiqua you're extremely cringe fuck you
@@amiiboacid4785 Actually you are being even more cringe because you're shitting on his opinion for no reason
@@aydensmith9745 it's just my opinion
Now if only I would get around to playing Xenoblade 2 so I can use that fanfic material...
Already told you about it but I'm going to put it here! Here's one of an outcome I'm going to explore:
Alrest Humans seem to show up very late on the evolution tree (at Alrest, at least) that their titans are already at the point of ageing, dying even. As shown with Mor Ardain (confirmed to be dying), and Gormotti starting to age (bad crops and nature not doing so great), not sure about Uraya. The Indol titan seems to be younger, as it was explained in game that they descend from Judicium (which died, supposedly Temperentia) and many other titans that have passed away. Indol is for sure an analogy to the Vatican where everything is imported and noting is native, with the exception of the land itself. Indoline people might have affected life on Indol which resulted in no life on the titan.
One of the outcomes I thought about was, let's say that core crystals and the cloud sea mutation with the core crystals happened throughout the planet, especially on the other elevators (sparse in between, concentrated like Alrest at the Beanstalks). Since there aren't any Amalthuses running around on the other beanstalks, you can see the full extent of the life Klaus envisioned, with newer titans being born, better blades being made and ultimately life being upgraded each time a titan gets born. You's also be seeing the migratory flux and land ownership in full force, which the former was teased by Indol, Torna at the end of the game, and Mor Ardain with Gormott, where people from old and near-dying titans would migrate to a younger titan, possibly merge with the already existing civilisation there or witnessing their progress and either doing an American history rehash or start living together. For the latter, people waging wars over the ownership of titans just like Ancient Europe, that would more than likely happen when governments, empires and kingdoms are formed and seek other big sized titans to secure for migration just like Mor Ardain, except that they have to go through wars to claim the lands.
A question I would have is that, would the Aegises control the remote blades and titans' data? I would assume so, because Klaus said that they were tasked of managing all of them, without mentioning a limit to the range affected. And without the tale and history of Aegises, I wonder how the other Titans and civilisations would look at life, like the people on the Bionis and Mechonis? Where it's an endless sea where living beings only get to live on titans? The blades got weapons as an evolutionary mutation as Klaus said, what would be the next implementation? Better control over the ether, faster cycles before turning into a titan, the guess is as good as mine. Would someone as crazy as Amalthus exist to climb up the elevators but see nothing but ruins?
Would Cloud Sea lifeforms encounter pre-experiment humans? if so, would the humans go down and live with Cloud Sea lifeforms, are they even compatible between each other, we know for a fact by Klaus that Cloud Sea lifeforms (titans, lifeforms born from titans and blades) aren't fully organic, their base cells are made out of the Cloud Sea's nanoparticles, while the true Earth humans are organic. What if they can't live on the Titans because of a reaction between the organic cells and the nanoparticles (is that one of the reasons why Klaus was stranded in Elysium?) and have to deal with a dilemma being to either modify themselves to be compatible with Cloud Sea life or stay up there in the Beanstalks, similar to Elysium where they decide to continue living comfortably in their paradise. Would the Cloud Sea humans accept it?
After the Cloud Sea clearance by Klaus at the end of XB2, I assume the titans wouldn't gather since Klaus ordered only the ones on Alrest to do so. That event would be very strange and mind breaking for life outside of Alrest. But guess that the logical solution is that the Titans will do exactly like Bionis and Mechonis, just stand up or swim through the ocean now. They would also be surprised at the pre-experiment ruins like Morytha (assuming that the cities under the Beanstalks were preserved and everything else turned into just ocean).
That's just a single outcome I explored, (could lead to a fantastic fanfiction lol). You realise how much spinoff/sidequels potentials are there. I just created a what if scenario that doesn't even contradicts the plot or lore of the game, lol.
hachimitsuka miel this is pretty much why I adore xenoblade 2s world, it brings up many interesting questions and scenarios (but not too much to the point where it overloads the player) and unlike xenoblade x, 2 explained the basics of Alrest and the Titans in a way that’s more easier to digest while Mira in xenoblade xhad way too many questions and a lot of its Lore in X was way too vague for its own good.
@@mectainea5575 I completely agree, in terms of lore and worldbuilding, Xenoblade 2 is top-class compared to most of its JRPG peers.
It's not too linear or constrained (which can be good on its own merits too, like XB1), which leaves a lot of room for interpretation but has strong and defined foundations to potentially build a strong plot out of it unlike X. While the plot on both X and 2 (chapters 1 to 6) were on the weaker side, I think the lore and worldbuilding overall did an amazing job on the game. Personally didn't really like the small packs of titans format but the concept was good and the execution was excellent and I cannot deny that.
It can still a bit too vague in certain aspects in my opinion (especially on the blades and titans, and timeline of events), but I don't expect a game to explain absolutely everything about its world and how it functions that's why I find it near excellence.
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I have the siren model, and the same book. But not understanding the full Japanese makes me not able to know what the books says.
What if the other towers went into Shulk's world and became the Bionis and Mechonis?
Imagine xenoblade 3 is about a world without an aegis
So it cant defend for itself
So around halfway the main character of xenoblade 1 and 2 show up to help the new main character
Skies of Arcadia
I do not have the brain power for this hoooooly shit
Or maybe Blades in a different setting basically all developed into somekind of devicethat allows the user to do something akin to casting elemental magic
If there is other beanstalks they are not in XC2. This is backed by Pneuma in the last chapter after defeating Aion.. who shows the crew a miniature version of Elysium breaking a part, only one beanstalk is present in this presentation.
Takahashi likes to retcon my guy
@Luxin Please see this, I’ve had this timeline theory that connects most, if not all, the Xeno games.
Now you are definitely more knowledgeable on Xeno lore. But please humor my theory! I’m gonna try to abridge it. (Also note I have only played Xenoblade 1+2)
Okay, so in the past of Xenoblade 2 there was a great war, the war that Klaus nukes the planet ending it. This nuking is the same nuking at the start of Xenoblade X!
The evacuation ships didn’t know the full scale and knowledge the player has, so they simply thought and interpreted the Earth getting vaporized. When it was actually Klaus! This is supported slightly by the similar destruction of the planet, and Lin saying they plan on searching for Earth in the future, showing that not everyone believes the planet was vaporized.
Fast forward A LOT, and the humans of Xenoblade X, became the humans of Xenosage. Having never found Earth and regarding it as a myth of legend. All the while Klaus was reseeding the planet as punishment for his actions.
Fast forward again to Xenosage 3, KOS-MOS is see drifting towards an unknown planet, this planet? EARTH! She falls to the surface and her essence and data is collected by Klaus’ nanomachines repairing and reseeding the planet. Copying her, and T-elos’ life data into core crystals. Canonizing their appearance in Xenoblade 2!
Fast forward more, Xenoblade 2 and Xenoblade 1 story end. Shulk kills Zanza, and Klaus dies as a result. Klaus was the only thing tying the 2 physical universes and the Conduit together, and Shulk cut that tie. The Conduit then tried to “Reboot”, but Pneuma cut herself off in a sacrifice and Malos was effectively dead, so it had to slip through Klaus into Xenoblade 1 for Alvis. Giving Alvis true god universe altering divinity. Which Shulk promptly requested a universe without gods. Alvis obliged, seen himself as the only “god” left, he simply did just that, he left to a new universe.
But in doing so, tore a hole connecting the 2, thus the events of Future Connect.
But now where does Xenogears fit? I’ll be honest, I know the least of Xenogears, so I will leave that connect up to you! Maybe Gears is the future of Xenoblade 1, maybe is a prequel to everything and Alvis simply sent himself back to that time with the Conduit to reboot?
One piece? Sky setting? Ah skies of Arcadia confirmed!
Love the thumbnail picture
Doesn't that mean there's a possibility of there being more Aegis's out there? Aegi? I dunno the plural of that. More badass blades
I believe that the the plural of Aegis is Aegis. Just like how the plural for Moose is Moose. Just saying, of course Could be completely wrong and the correct answer is indeed "More badass Blades."
Prolly not cuz the aegises are the trinity processor cores which were created to control the power of the conduit which was kept on radamanthus til klaus fucked shit up.
@@dragonmaster1500 I see... 🤔
@@eseph9899 You never know though, even if they are lesser cores, there might still be unique control cores for the computers of the other stations
Kind of like Babylon in the Bible how they kept building a tower to the sky
Something that’s always seemed odd to me about XC2, and I don’t think you have ever addressed in a video, is how some Titans (notably Mor Ardain and Gormott) seem to walk; I believe you even see them explicitly walking in certain cutscenes. This should be impossible considering the crushing depths of the Cloud Sea, however. Have you come up with any explanation?
Ikr this confuses me too
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the Titans themselves generate ether just by breathing?
I know that, at least in XC1 that was a thing on Bionis, and it seemed to be implied, in XC2, when you visit Tantal, that it's a thing in XC2 as well. Not to mention Ether miasma.
In which case, there doesn't really need to be a specific distance from Rhadamanthus that Titan's can roam, they just go wherever and the ones circling the WT just really like doing that for some reason. (might be the Conduit, might be something else.)
Your speculation about the architect's power being less at distance and all that has no basis in reality. All we know is there was three beanstalks and it was from elisium specifically that humans were cast out and later helped by the architect. There is no mention of other groups of humans cast out from other stations and for all we know those could have been occupied by the other faction in the war.
These names don't show the lack of confidence in the space elevators, but the total opposite. As Klaus said. They now onl, are a symbol of humanities hubris, but we're meant to show humanities development and prosperity. The space elevators being named after the judges of humans. So humanity was basically trying to say that they would triumph over death
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Did the model kit indicate whether the other 2 beanstalks survive the whole conduit events? Just because there WAS 3 beanstalks, doesn’t mean their still IS 3 beanstalks.
What if Skies of Arcadia takes place on the same world? lol
This gives me a headache lol
yeap not enough pirates in this game lol
Probably just not remember this correctly but wasn't Morytha just reusing assets from New LA?
Nope it was entirely new