Few corrections. You can ONLY rebuild your data from those 3 drives IF you use RAID 5 or SHR. If you use RAID 0, your data is LOST. Also no point in using RAID 0 as you will be still limited due to the Gigabit Ethernet speeds.
@@Ckcdillpickle Yes you will. My DS418j hits 1Gbit all the time. Its being limited. If you look at a HDDs spec page you will see many have transfer rates above 150MB/s, the maximum transfer rate of 1Gbit Ethernet is 125MB/s. My rates are 970Mbit which is the 1Gibt with the overheads.
@@Ckcdillpickle Yeah… no. An HDD can be fast enough to saturate a Gigabit port, but… RAID can increase the speed of your drive. Raid 0, of course, around doubles your speed. RAID 5 will always write one part more of data, so with four drives, you can get speeds close to that of three drives summed up, if your CPU is fast enough. And that will definitely saturate gigabit
Smacking the drive back into the enclosure demonstrates your f course in-depth technical knowledge, and confirms what many others said: you need to backup your data to a remote location where professionals handle the drives and understand their systems well enough so that they do not destroy the data through carelessness as demonstrated here.
The key is not to protect the data. The key is a safeguard against accidentally disconnecting a drive while the system is on, or dropping a drive out of the NAS if you're moving it from one location to another. Someone out to steal a drive could just jam a flathead in there, turn, and take the drive. Or, just snag the whole unit.
In my case it would be to protect the data cause I'm an idiot who sometimes may or may not accidentally delete youtube recordings while they're uploading 🤦♂️
Anyone who tells you a home NAS is all you need they're wrong. There is a foundational rule in computing which goes as follows "if it's not saved in three places it doesn't exsist" those three places are the original copy, an on-site back up and an off-site back up. The purpose of the off-site back up is to prevent data loss in the event of a power outage in your local area. (Edit: spelling error)
@@ohmthepoet8428 The NAS would be safer than just your computer - patricularly, accidental deletion of files, or a hard drive failure in your computer (Given a proper device configuration). Cloud storage, like Google drive and OneDrive, are safer than just your computer, or computer and a NAS - in the event of flood, fire, or other disasters where your files/data are unrecoverable, cloud storage would be your safest bet. All three together follow general safe data practices which means your family photos and important documents are never accidentally lost.
@@aguswidi9316 Raid 0 since the last 8 years already and no failure until now. I initially used Raid 1 but it keeps on killing the other disk like after 2-3 years and it happened twice. The 2nd time it failed I decided not to replace anymore and switch to raid 0 with single disk. Surprisingly, it never died since and still doing good with as media storage till now.
Copy back ups. So there is no need to rebuild the data from a cluster of data. And it’s easier to use those back up copies if you need to go back a few weeks on just one file and not the entire system.
Unfortunately, the $20 USD tier of Google One Drive is only for 100 GB. Their top tier is up to 2 TB for $139 CDN. Using the Synology NAS device you can use 18 TB drives (best price point currently) and have 54 TB of fault tolerant storage at full local speed that is great for video editing and truly mass storage.
@@maxcohen13who do you think you are? The the fbi? CIA? Why does everyone act like they have stuff to hide unless they actually have stuff to hide? I’ve never in my life worried about google or apple spying on me, because what are they going to do with it? Steal my identity? Literally impossible.
Here is the new version of that NAS: ezbiolink.com/synologyds923 Did you know there's a secret mission GPS location on the ASUS GPU? ruclips.net/user/shortsG77ZmuT_jWU
Works fine until someone steals it, it breaks down or a house fire. Best practice is to use multiple backups, one in a NAS and one in the clouds, and one offline.
@avsimmons72 Depends of how much you value your data :) The cloud services never guarantee that your data will be intact, but it's safe from the risk of something physical happens to it in your house. The backup you have in a NAS is safe from change in terms of usage, you lose your account or something happens at the cloud service, but has the drawbacks of risk of fire or that you get malware et c. The offline backup (especially if you have it stored somewhere else) is not as updated but are safer from malware and can be a life saver if something happens with your house.
In an ideal world, your primary data is on your primary device, phone or computer. Your NAS would be an onsite backup of that data, or you can choose to use cloud storage if you're ok with that. You should also have an offsite storage of your data that is regularly updated, and for your most important data, you should have an OFFLINE, offsite stored copy of your most important documents and files, like in a safety deposit box or at a friend's or relative's house.
Onsite storage, like a NAS, is meant for backing up your primary devices in case it gets corrupted, stolen, deleted, or destroyed. But onsite storage is at risk to malware, ransomware, theft of the device, fire, other natural disasters, etc. Usually you also want offsite online storage. This can be a copy of your NAS or local computers, and protects against more things like malware,ransomware, etc better. This can be a NAS at a friend or relative's house, cloud storage, etc.
And then you have offline storage; ideally not kept in your home, definitely not in the bag where your laptop is. Thumb drives, an encrypted hard drive, etc; a good place for many might be a friend or relatives home, or a safety deposit box at the bank. This needs to be periodically updated with current files, which makes it a manual process. But it is good at protecting from malware, theft, ransomware, etc.
Hardware replacement. For things like a NAS, hard drives, or anything that is mechanical or electronic in nature, well, it's got a lifespan at which sometime, it's going to die or become unusable without significant cost. For most hardware, this is from a few years for SD cards and flash/thumb drives, to maybe 5 to 7 years or so for spinning hard drives etc, provided that the devices are stored in proper humidity & temperature controlled environments. You should periodically test your devices to see if the device still functions, and if it fails, replace it and refresh your copy from one of your other backups. When you control all aspects of the backups, you foot all of the bill and all of the work involved. Cloud storage allows you to let someone else deal with the failure aspects; but still, OFFLINE backups stored elsewhere is invaluable to protecting against ransomware / malware losses. The downside to cloud storage is that you don't own the backup; your provider can choose to provide your data to someone else whether it be a company, or the government or for their own pleasures. It's all risk vs reward vs cost vs labor. IF your data is not backed up many times, in multiple locations, you put that data at risk of loss, thru one means or another. It's your data, and how you choose to protect it is up to you.
@@iCore7Gaming well, i use my pc only for games and have 2 TB, its actually ok, but i will buy myself another ssd with 1 extra gb, cuz i have so many games installed and dont even play them on regulary basis xD
Usb port in the front is not to access files, it’s used for synology software package so you can easily copy files on the usb to the disks without user interaction
If you connect a USB hard drive to the USB port you can configure a scheduled backup task in Synology Hyper Backup to back up to the USB drive at regular intervals.
Tahat's not true, it can be used for storage. This is model dependent though via the OS limitations imposed, that can be changed through the SSH access if you know how to operate a Linux command line and learn a few in's and out's of the Synology OS. I had to write a script to transfer the applications from one drive to another because they stupidly do not do redundancy on the applications you install and only place them in the system area of the first drive installed instead of copy them to all the drives system areas and they provide no way to move the applications through the interface they provide. Though once you poke around a little it's easy to figure out what they did and become a Synology NAS power user.
RAID is not backup. My own coworkers were in a situation where they were in the middle of rebuilding the raid after replacing a failed drive when.... another drive failed. Thus all data was lost. Always have a backup.
@@MasterOfDisasterInAl a regular snapshot taken at least once daily, daily incremental backup to external device, and we have a weekly backup to cloud storage. However we are moving to Teams for most projects so Microsoft can mange the data on the backend.
@@Sparkfist i did this once too… At least 1 cycle on the HDDs per day, killed within years multiple HDDs. Now my backup plan is absolutely rudimental, nearly 100% manually and every few weeks to multiple months on 3 different drives depending on data safety and place: -One 12TB main backup drive -one 12TB Backup of the backup, rarely updated (every 2-3 months, maximum cycles per year 5!) - one 8TB with the most necessary data and partially the 12TB drive backuped on a different place/house, updated about once a month as well
@@Sparkfist by reducing the startup cycles/backups i increased the HDD life and reliability A LOT The fact i have a Backup from the Backup from the Backup beside a really compact and automated Backup on a fast external m.2 SSD when connected to my PCs…well im pretty sure i will never lose any necessary data. But the best thing about my much rarer backups of the main backup is that the really safe backup drives last longer than they are useful (in storage terms) and so my „old“ 1-2 TB drives ended up after about a decade of backups as media/recording etc drives to be finally „killed“
@@harrison00xXx the company I work for is a large construction company and wr deal either million dollar projects. So making sure date is backed up, and can be restored quickly is vital. As such replacing hardware isn't that big of a concern. We easily have the money for it.
The drives restoring themselves is according to what RAID level you choose. If i’m not mistaken, RAID level 5 would do that. At least 3 drives required and one drive redundant meaning only one of the 3 drives can fail and when you get a new one it will restore itself. But once again, it entirely depends on what RAID level you choose when setting up your device.
I use SHR on two drives. When ones down it restores the other just fine. I think it's about ratios. If you have three drives then there is no way the parity data needed to rebuild can fit on only one drive. So if it were four drives then two can fail and it will rebuild, but no more than that. So, your remaining drives must be at minimum 50% of your overall capacity.
@@ikannunaplays no matter how many drives you have, RAID 3 can store the parity on a single disk. that being said, most systems use RAID 5 spreading partial parity partitions on all disks. none the less you will only ever loose 1 disk of storage.
lol 😂 any time I see someone referencing the lock picking lawyer I am truly happy that we are all here trying to find an opportunity to laugh regardless of the comment section
Is that the new 8-track changer I've been hearing about? Sweet. Finally I can listen to April Wine and BTO in random mode, with only 5-10 seconds between tracks.
All well and good until you have a water leak, fire or electrical fault then your data is gone. Ideally you need to have at least 3 copies of important data, one at a different site. Those boxes are a great place to keep your OneDrive, GDrive and Dropbox sync folders, with a small form factor PC connected to handle the sync to the cloud service. I’ve also known people have two of those boxes with one at a friend’s house and a small form factor PC running sync between the two.
I got a NAS to avoid paying for Microsoft 360 as well as a media server. Upfront cost is a bit steep but in the long run it will pay for itself in capabilities and total storage.
If it works out more cost affective and this is not an issue yes If you have reason to worry or have that much data you probably a local storage device with your cloud storage, and vice versa anyway. You need two local backups, one a different medium to the other, and a offsite backup
Or do it as am doing it since over 10 years: Get another 8-14TB external HDD/backup drive on another spot and just sync it here and then. I am typically gathering the „out of the house“ backup drive and my other backup drives (all external USB3 HDDs and a external TB4 m.2 SSD) here and then together and sync the backups I had once also a small NAS, daily backups etc. The HDDs got all killed within years (until it was too expensive for my taste) meanwhile my new, more manual and partially a bit more annoying approach and very few startup cycles of the HDDs made backups so much cheaper, reliable and especially SAFER (with another backup drive „far“ away from all the other backups
Lets be honest - professional backups and a NAS are mostly useless for the 0815 people, for the average computer owner 1-3 backup drives, at best external USB 3 HDDs serve the best and most affordable.
The cloud is just someone else's computer and they can see anything you put there anytime they want to do so. I have had a server in my home for over 6 years and I am now on my third TerraMaster 4-bay server for a full 12 bays of storage. I am also in the process of building my own server box with room for 18 hard drives, 2 NVME drives, and 3 SD drives. I plan to install Unraid and learn as I go. I don't do video but I am an amateur photographer and we digitized our entire DVD collection of 5K disks to our server so finding things would be easier. We kept our physical media too, just in case.
This is why Gen X fills up the most of computer industry. They know how to old tech and adapt it for modern means. Most kids nowadays have no need for external systems, wonder what the future will hold
What's nice about Synologys software is that you can automatically have one back itself up onto another one. I have two in my home and they backup each other with one that backs up mine to my brothers in chicago.
Can you tell me if the disks can be stopped individually? Eventually from the computer? At that price should have some real advantages. And having all the backups on all the time is not an option. I have used only cheap chinese adaptors. Being 100 times cheaper I did not mind when one stopped working.
@@akhtyrskiy I do not get it. You left the disks spinning since then, or you just plugged it in when needed? I have multiple disks,(internal, obviously) and only two adapters, and just plug in the one needed when needed. Anyway, if you do not know, then maybe it does not have such a button. You would have noticed it. On the case or in the software running it, if it has such a software to be installed on your PC. And yes, good practice. If it works, do not touch it. Unfortunately I am kind of guy who cannot sleep until finds why it works, ruin it, and then fix it. :))
No, you also have to have a remote storage to have your files in safety. 3-2-1 rule: have your data in 3 copies. Two local - on your working machine and, let’s say, on your NAS. And one remote. E.g. NAS at your friend’s house. Only then you can have a peace of mind that your data is safe.
I didn't get it either, I mean that "hard drive" ain't creating any unwanted offspring.. . And if you got a virus, it's too late buddy. So basically... It don't fit 😏
These are really good stuff. Saves a lot of cash and keeps speeds up for those large files that you don’t have speeds or bandwidth to upload to internet. Remember most of our Internet speeds have low upload speeds.
Then dont choose a cloud provider. Buy your own server. Rent a rack space. Some people are really paranoid. If u can somehow connect to your local NAS from the Internet it could be hacked also. Just sayin.
@@WeberDigitalConsulting I built my own using old servers that were decommissioned from a company. Dual 3.4ghz 4 core Xeons and 32gb of ECC RAM and 12 SATA/SAS connections. The thing is 100x times more powerful than any Synology system you can buy. It runs my CCTV DVR, smb shares, email, chat, Video streaming and transcoding, etc.. and over dual gigabit connections allowing me to have all the Programs and games my family uses installed to one shared drive and they load just as fast as if they were installed locally. I love this because when me and the kids game only one of use has to update the game and it's updated for everyone. A cloud storage solution would never compare and all under $400 with 16tb of redundant storage and still using the Synology OS on it with the Xpenology bootloader. Definitely a good option.
You also need to check if the rebuilding works. Friend of me worked in a service company outfitting medical practices and (luckily) always tested all equipment _before_ installing it. For one of the RAID devices he tested, he just pulled out one of five disks for half an hour and then re-plugged it. Instead of re-syncing the re-connected HDD, the firmware of the RAID controller proceeded to initialize thw whole drive stack again, wiping any data on it.
I have a home server running UnRaid with NextCloud in a docker on top of that. The advantage of unraid is that all the parity is done on one or two dedicated drive. Even in the events of 2 failures (single disk parity) or 3 drive failures (two disk parity) you can still read the data on the other drive as the drives themselves store whole files.
but if your home catches on fire... and you use this its gone. BUT if your home catches on fire, OneDrive and Google drive are off site and your files are safe. AND if, THEY catch on fire... they have masive amounts of money for offsite backups....so your files are still safe.
we use Synology D120s to work with at school in our own domains. Its really fun we made our own little network connecting a Cisco Router to the schools network and built a small network from there using switches, domain controllers, acces point n stuff
I do have two of these now and it’s worth to invest in it. I recently upgrade my NAS to a 4 slots one and used the old NAS with two slots for backup instead. It’s not cheap if you’re aiming to get 20tb like I did per slot😅, but i found it very useful. The two slot NAS isn’t the best for now as a backup but we’re upgrading it.
I prefer to have my own data in my own hands, under my own control, my own speed and without dependence on the Internet connection (multiple times slower than an HDD) and a company's policies or existence. You keep your data in the cloud, you depend on the cloud.
My father is an IT for its own company and we have 2 like this one at home Very convenient for data storage but he can see anything you put in your personal server space
I think you forgot to mention how useless it is as a cloud if you have really low Upload rates like 10Mbits. Would take Days to download some of my files from outside
What people don't realize is that the actual backup device can (and will) go bad at some point. Always have another set of backup, even if it's a little older.
This legit makes my Jarvis a personal ai assistant app hosted off of my computer, I just talked about wanting to go the drive/digital host route but wanting something like this earlier today.
Those Synology drives are well worth the money. We had a 2-bay setup at my old office just for internal storage. 2x 1TB drives set in RAID mode, with remote access from wherever. All for less than £300-400 including the drives.
Sheesh, it's crazy how many people are like "But what if you have a fire". Like, the kind of people that buy or build NAS devices do so for reliability and control. You can easily build or buy one and stuff it with 40 or more TB of space, far more than you could ever reasonably get with an online backup. Yes, if your house burns down, you should have some offsite backup of whatever data you want a backup of. You can easily do that with other hard drives, tape drives (yes, they still are used), optical media, or online storage. No, online storage is not a replacement for a NAS or vice versa, they serve different needs, and have different costs. The kind of money you would pay for the amount of storage you can have in a NAS would quickly eclipse the cost of the NAS and hard drives. Furthermore, you would probably have a hard time downloading or uploading all of your data at once in the event you needed to. A good offsite backup in a form you actually can have direct access to will generally be better if you have a lot of data, as it will take far less time. Furthermore, while it is possible to lose your data in a fire or other natural disaster, a problem with relying on online storage is that you can just as easily lose your data if the service deems it. They may only do so if they think you have broken their TOS, but many have it in their terms that they can cut off access at any time. For as much as people say RAID is not a backup, because of the aforementioned fire or disasters, they never seem to realize that online storage isn't a proper backup either. Always have more than one backup of your data if it is that important, even if you utilize online storage, you should generally also keep an offline backup just in case. Occasionally back up to a different drive for an extra copy if you are that paranoid or the data is just that important. Considering people keep bringing up the cheap online storage plans that don't cost much, it implies that they could easily store their data on a cheap 1TB or less hard drive, which cost very little. For those users, a NAS isn't really necessary unless they want the other features. And like I said above, you can do things with a NAS that can't really be done easily with online storage like run a plex server.
The thing is that Google Drive makes it easy to share with others because a lot of people have a google account. And in extension also google photo which is very very handy for sharing with family if you don't want to use social media for that.
Network accessible RAID setups are certainly growing in popularity. But it would kind of be cheaper to setup one older Desktop into a NAS. Then one could setup a RAID 1 System in there with only 2 drives. Granted, it would mean that you need two 8TB drives to keep 8TB of space on them. But that's probably the cheaper option for backup data storage. while i like the idea of Storage devices like that with their own built in systems. There's lot of other options for Network storage too.
That thing is huge! I would use one if it was smaller and held like 10 SSD's that would be so nice to have 10 8TB SSD's in a unit like that. Connect it to my router and use it as my server storage as well as my personal storage on select drives.
If your house burns down, bye bye data + you gotta put work into maintenance + if you have internet you can always access a cloud service (unless of course it’s down) + it uses power that you also have to pay for, and with current prices (at least here) it’s not worth it. EDIT: and just so many more things, I just don’t wanna spend so much time on writing about it.
You do need one if you’re cheap and don’t need much space . That said having your own NAS is amazing, but it’s definitely not a cheap or easily accessible option.
Putting stuff on the Cloud just means your data is on someone else's computer. It may be in a data center somewhere, but it's just as susceptible to things like drive fails, fire damage, etc. 3-2-1 -> 3 copies of your data on 2 different media types and 1 on an offsite location.
I have two synology nas’s in two separate geographical locations. They back up synchronized to each other, so I actually do not need a Google Drive because one of the drivers could fail and burn or get stolen and I will still have all my information. Having a single NAS at the same location as your workstation or server, will not substitute for a cloud back up such a Google Drive.
Google Drive: Offsite backup in 2-3 locations around the world. Your data will likely survive the appocolypes. Synology NAS: Onsite backup. You data will not survive the same fire/flood that killed your computer in the first place. Onsite backup has its uses, but your data isn't save until there are 3 copies in at least 2 physical locations.
The cost of this is 1350 usd in India. If you buy a rack or small tower and make your own server it would cost less than 900 usd. It will be faster and more customisable
Doesn't matter what RAID you use if something physically happens to it like the device getting stolen or destroyed in a house fire good luck getting your data back. Local backup like this is still very convenient to have but very important info it is best to also have an off site backup too. I use an online backup for such data.
dude cloud storage has the same importance as on premises storage. We are way beyond dial-up internet connection speeds, so the online storage is more acessible. IaaS is a bless...
"Drives are locked bro"
"take the whole"
Plus Kensington lock but he didn't mention that sooooo
i wonder if it just auto-destruct all data on it if someone tries to steal it
Which have a lock who may get picked in matter of secs. 😂
As mentioned, 1 drive is useless, you need at least 3.
I guess you could steal a drive a week and put in blanks ones
Ill probably make a hole and cover it with locker to lock the accesd to this
Few corrections.
You can ONLY rebuild your data from those 3 drives IF you use RAID 5 or SHR.
If you use RAID 0, your data is LOST.
Also no point in using RAID 0 as you will be still limited due to the Gigabit Ethernet speeds.
Those look like hdd which are stupidly slow. You certainly wouldn't reach the limits of gigabit
@@Ckcdillpickle Yes you will.
My DS418j hits 1Gbit all the time.
Its being limited.
If you look at a HDDs spec page you will see many have transfer rates above 150MB/s, the maximum transfer rate of 1Gbit Ethernet is 125MB/s.
My rates are 970Mbit which is the 1Gibt with the overheads.
@@Ckcdillpickle Yeah… no. An HDD can be fast enough to saturate a Gigabit port, but… RAID can increase the speed of your drive. Raid 0, of course, around doubles your speed. RAID 5 will always write one part more of data, so with four drives, you can get speeds close to that of three drives summed up, if your CPU is fast enough. And that will definitely saturate gigabit
that looked like a drive that lied about its encoding method... you couldn't rebuild shit if its a shingled drive
@@Ckcdillpickle lol wut
It's not a backup machine, it's a high-availability machine. Always back up your data to a geographically separate location.
Exactly 💯
That's just common sense. It's one primary purpose of this whole cloud thing. Idk what we're gonna do with all this data tho
@@burtan2000 lol maybeso that our grand children know that how we look ugly in our childhood? 😂😂
A local backup is still a backup. Off-siting is only essential for [whatever qualifies in your particular case as] mission-critical data.
@@nowandrew4442Nobody lives in tornado valley or in an area which get flooded, everybody's house is immune to fire damage... Right?
"The NAS has gone."
"Okay, switch it off and then on again."
"No. You don't understand - someone stole it."
Like when the CIA stole a whole ass soviet submarine
Bruh 😂😂😂
Lol, yeah you can lock the drive, but the basterd stole the entire thing that not bolted to the ground 😂
😅😅😅😅😂
you can set up data destruction
Smacking the drive back into the enclosure demonstrates your f course in-depth technical knowledge, and confirms what many others said: you need to backup your data to a remote location where professionals handle the drives and understand their systems well enough so that they do not destroy the data through carelessness as demonstrated here.
Cool lookin toaster
Probably work better than a toaster in the bathtub. Atleast be cooler
Can it toast Toaster struddles
@Aden Daniels fact or cap
It can dispense 4 toast at a time
Jesus Christ died for our sins and rose again put your faith in Christ
The key is not to protect the data. The key is a safeguard against accidentally disconnecting a drive while the system is on, or dropping a drive out of the NAS if you're moving it from one location to another. Someone out to steal a drive could just jam a flathead in there, turn, and take the drive. Or, just snag the whole unit.
Yeah I was gunna say, a 12 year old could snap that thing off and get at the drive inside lmao
In my case it would be to protect the data cause I'm an idiot who sometimes may or may not accidentally delete youtube recordings while they're uploading 🤦♂️
Can't you encrypt these drives?
@@nileshgosavii Veracrypt?
Pretty sure they’re hot swappable, at least QNAPs are
Anyone who tells you a home NAS is all you need they're wrong. There is a foundational rule in computing which goes as follows "if it's not saved in three places it doesn't exsist" those three places are the original copy, an on-site back up and an off-site back up. The purpose of the off-site back up is to prevent data loss in the event of a power outage in your local area. (Edit: spelling error)
So this plus cloud storage would be the safest bet?
@@ohmthepoet8428 basically yes.
@@ohmthepoet8428 The NAS would be safer than just your computer - patricularly, accidental deletion of files, or a hard drive failure in your computer (Given a proper device configuration).
Cloud storage, like Google drive and OneDrive, are safer than just your computer, or computer and a NAS - in the event of flood, fire, or other disasters where your files/data are unrecoverable, cloud storage would be your safest bet. All three together follow general safe data practices which means your family photos and important documents are never accidentally lost.
@@ohmthepoet8428 also a physical copy in another location it a good idea when you don't want to lose your information.
Also offsite helps with fires and "acts of god"
My synology ds 110j is already 13 years old now, and still rocking.
What kind of RAID you are using?
@@aguswidi9316 Raid 0 since the last 8 years already and no failure until now. I initially used Raid 1 but it keeps on killing the other disk like after 2-3 years and it happened twice. The 2nd time it failed I decided not to replace anymore and switch to raid 0 with single disk. Surprisingly, it never died since and still doing good with as media storage till now.
@@rahulmaronDid you research whether or not you had drives from a bad batch?
A thief wouldn’t steal an individual drive from the device; they’d simply steal the entire device.
Always have a backup on top of a backup that's also backed up with your backup drive.
PREACH!
Copy back ups. So there is no need to rebuild the data from a cluster of data. And it’s easier to use those back up copies if you need to go back a few weeks on just one file and not the entire system.
Then there’s me who backs nothing up 😅
2 is 1.
1 is zero.
Yes!!
Cost of Synology DS920+: $1199
Cost of 1 year of Google drive: $20
Cost of keeping your data from Google's prying eyes: priceless.
If it's free, you're the product.
Unfortunately, the $20 USD tier of Google One Drive is only for 100 GB. Their top tier is up to 2 TB for $139 CDN. Using the Synology NAS device you can use 18 TB drives (best price point currently) and have 54 TB of fault tolerant storage at full local speed that is great for video editing and truly mass storage.
@@TerryMasenko sold. Nuff said.
@@maxcohen13who do you think you are? The the fbi? CIA? Why does everyone act like they have stuff to hide unless they actually have stuff to hide? I’ve never in my life worried about google or apple spying on me, because what are they going to do with it? Steal my identity? Literally impossible.
Here is the new version of that NAS: ezbiolink.com/synologyds923 Did you know there's a secret mission GPS location on the ASUS GPU? ruclips.net/user/shortsG77ZmuT_jWU
What does it cost?
Works fine until someone steals it, it breaks down or a house fire.
Best practice is to use multiple backups, one in a NAS and one in the clouds, and one offline.
😂... WTF are people saving that they need all of this backup?!
@avsimmons72 Depends of how much you value your data :)
The cloud services never guarantee that your data will be intact, but it's safe from the risk of something physical happens to it in your house.
The backup you have in a NAS is safe from change in terms of usage, you lose your account or something happens at the cloud service, but has the drawbacks of risk of fire or that you get malware et c.
The offline backup (especially if you have it stored somewhere else) is not as updated but are safer from malware and can be a life saver if something happens with your house.
@@d_vibe-sweis offline do you mean External HDD
@@Barthiee Yes. :)
Can we syncing these three?
In an ideal world, your primary data is on your primary device, phone or computer. Your NAS would be an onsite backup of that data, or you can choose to use cloud storage if you're ok with that. You should also have an offsite storage of your data that is regularly updated, and for your most important data, you should have an OFFLINE, offsite stored copy of your most important documents and files, like in a safety deposit box or at a friend's or relative's house.
Onsite storage, like a NAS, is meant for backing up your primary devices in case it gets corrupted, stolen, deleted, or destroyed. But onsite storage is at risk to malware, ransomware, theft of the device, fire, other natural disasters, etc.
Usually you also want offsite online storage. This can be a copy of your NAS or local computers, and protects against more things like malware,ransomware, etc better. This can be a NAS at a friend or relative's house, cloud storage, etc.
And then you have offline storage; ideally not kept in your home, definitely not in the bag where your laptop is. Thumb drives, an encrypted hard drive, etc; a good place for many might be a friend or relatives home, or a safety deposit box at the bank. This needs to be periodically updated with current files, which makes it a manual process. But it is good at protecting from malware, theft, ransomware, etc.
Hardware replacement. For things like a NAS, hard drives, or anything that is mechanical or electronic in nature, well, it's got a lifespan at which sometime, it's going to die or become unusable without significant cost. For most hardware, this is from a few years for SD cards and flash/thumb drives, to maybe 5 to 7 years or so for spinning hard drives etc, provided that the devices are stored in proper humidity & temperature controlled environments. You should periodically test your devices to see if the device still functions, and if it fails, replace it and refresh your copy from one of your other backups. When you control all aspects of the backups, you foot all of the bill and all of the work involved. Cloud storage allows you to let someone else deal with the failure aspects; but still, OFFLINE backups stored elsewhere is invaluable to protecting against ransomware / malware losses. The downside to cloud storage is that you don't own the backup; your provider can choose to provide your data to someone else whether it be a company, or the government or for their own pleasures.
It's all risk vs reward vs cost vs labor.
IF your data is not backed up many times, in multiple locations, you put that data at risk of loss, thru one means or another. It's your data, and how you choose to protect it is up to you.
Just remember back when we were working on the old Blue Planet and Walking with Dinosaurs... it needed 6TB storage AND COST £12,000!!!
Woooow i grow up watching this shows!
I remember back in the day we bought a 54gig raid array for $10000.
lol 6TB is nothing by todays. my own pc has over 9TB of storage.
@@iCore7Gaming well, i use my pc only for games and have 2 TB, its actually ok, but i will buy myself another ssd with 1 extra gb, cuz i have so many games installed and dont even play them on regulary basis xD
Usb port in the front is not to access files, it’s used for synology software package so you can easily copy files on the usb to the disks without user interaction
If you think this is a legit tech channel lol
This guy has no clue
He is selling you the Windows + R combination as a hidden trick and gem
"Usb port in the front is not to access files, it's used to access files"
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If you connect a USB hard drive to the USB port you can configure a scheduled backup task in Synology Hyper Backup to back up to the USB drive at regular intervals.
I'm pretty sure this guy bought and unboxed this 30 seconds before recording this video and maybe hasn't touched a computer in a decade.
Tahat's not true, it can be used for storage. This is model dependent though via the OS limitations imposed, that can be changed through the SSH access if you know how to operate a Linux command line and learn a few in's and out's of the Synology OS. I had to write a script to transfer the applications from one drive to another because they stupidly do not do redundancy on the applications you install and only place them in the system area of the first drive installed instead of copy them to all the drives system areas and they provide no way to move the applications through the interface they provide. Though once you poke around a little it's easy to figure out what they did and become a Synology NAS power user.
RAID is not backup. My own coworkers were in a situation where they were in the middle of rebuilding the raid after replacing a failed drive when.... another drive failed. Thus all data was lost.
Always have a backup.
What is your backup plan ?
@@MasterOfDisasterInAl a regular snapshot taken at least once daily, daily incremental backup to external device, and we have a weekly backup to cloud storage.
However we are moving to Teams for most projects so Microsoft can mange the data on the backend.
@@Sparkfist i did this once too…
At least 1 cycle on the HDDs per day, killed within years multiple HDDs.
Now my backup plan is absolutely rudimental, nearly 100% manually and every few weeks to multiple months on 3 different drives depending on data safety and place:
-One 12TB main backup drive
-one 12TB Backup of the backup, rarely updated (every 2-3 months, maximum cycles per year 5!)
- one 8TB with the most necessary data and partially the 12TB drive backuped on a different place/house, updated about once a month as well
@@Sparkfist by reducing the startup cycles/backups i increased the HDD life and reliability A LOT
The fact i have a Backup from the Backup from the Backup beside a really compact and automated Backup on a fast external m.2 SSD when connected to my PCs…well im pretty sure i will never lose any necessary data.
But the best thing about my much rarer backups of the main backup is that the really safe backup drives last longer than they are useful (in storage terms) and so my „old“ 1-2 TB drives ended up after about a decade of backups as media/recording etc drives to be finally „killed“
@@harrison00xXx the company I work for is a large construction company and wr deal either million dollar projects. So making sure date is backed up, and can be restored quickly is vital. As such replacing hardware isn't that big of a concern. We easily have the money for it.
I love how you smacked the drive back in the nas.
i was thinking about that... i mean storage became cheap but damn an 8TB drive is not yet that cheap :D
Lock your data with a physical key. Now put the data online 😅
Why wouldn’t they just take the whole box though?
@@daesong1378 just weld the box to the floor it's that easy
@@energeticyellow1637 take the floor 🤷♂️
@@zazaongfr
Then I'll just weld the floor to the floor.
Buh
The drives restoring themselves is according to what RAID level you choose. If i’m not mistaken, RAID level 5 would do that. At least 3 drives required and one drive redundant meaning only one of the 3 drives can fail and when you get a new one it will restore itself. But once again, it entirely depends on what RAID level you choose when setting up your device.
I use SHR on two drives. When ones down it restores the other just fine. I think it's about ratios. If you have three drives then there is no way the parity data needed to rebuild can fit on only one drive. So if it were four drives then two can fail and it will rebuild, but no more than that. So, your remaining drives must be at minimum 50% of your overall capacity.
Yeah, lets use our brains, clearly the product is NOT for someone who has NO clue.
@@ikannunaplays no matter how many drives you have, RAID 3 can store the parity on a single disk.
that being said, most systems use RAID 5 spreading partial parity partitions on all disks.
none the less you will only ever loose 1 disk of storage.
Bro said "No Pun Intended" when there was literally no Pun Confusion, LMAO.
**Edit**
Thanks for the 800 Likes 👍 guys, means a lot.
Listen again... "pull out the drive"
@@gm1527 that's not a pun.
That comment was reserved for C-3PO. Lol!
Yeah, didn't get the pun either...
If it fails and you need to pull out. I don't understand how y'all don't get it
"Just lock it with a key"
[LockPickingLawyer entered the chat]
Are you sure about that? 💀
lol 😂 any time I see someone referencing the lock picking lawyer I am truly happy that we are all here trying to find an opportunity to laugh regardless of the comment section
@@Curtis.Carpenter that's right you are my kind of person
Is that the new 8-track changer I've been hearing about? Sweet.
Finally I can listen to April Wine and BTO in random mode, with only 5-10 seconds between tracks.
All well and good until you have a water leak, fire or electrical fault then your data is gone. Ideally you need to have at least 3 copies of important data, one at a different site. Those boxes are a great place to keep your OneDrive, GDrive and Dropbox sync folders, with a small form factor PC connected to handle the sync to the cloud service. I’ve also known people have two of those boxes with one at a friend’s house and a small form factor PC running sync between the two.
I got a NAS to avoid paying for Microsoft 360 as well as a media server. Upfront cost is a bit steep but in the long run it will pay for itself in capabilities and total storage.
To be fair, you’re only really safe if you’re backing your backups somewhere else, like the cloud. RAID is not a backup.
But you still need the equivalent cloud storage space to back it up (for natural disaster /theft protection).
If it works out more cost affective and this is not an issue yes
If you have reason to worry or have that much data you probably a local storage device with your cloud storage, and vice versa anyway. You need two local backups, one a different medium to the other, and a offsite backup
Synology C2 is actually not too expensive which is nice, and there's also a way to back up data to a SharePoint site, or some way through Azure
Or do it as am doing it since over 10 years:
Get another 8-14TB external HDD/backup drive on another spot and just sync it here and then.
I am typically gathering the „out of the house“ backup drive and my other backup drives (all external USB3 HDDs and a external TB4 m.2 SSD) here and then together and sync the backups
I had once also a small NAS, daily backups etc.
The HDDs got all killed within years (until it was too expensive for my taste)
meanwhile my new, more manual and partially a bit more annoying approach and very few startup cycles of the HDDs made backups so much cheaper, reliable and especially SAFER (with another backup drive „far“ away from all the other backups
Lets be honest - professional backups and a NAS are mostly useless for the 0815 people, for the average computer owner 1-3 backup drives, at best external USB 3 HDDs serve the best and most affordable.
The cloud is just someone else's computer and they can see anything you put there anytime they want to do so. I have had a server in my home for over 6 years and I am now on my third TerraMaster 4-bay server for a full 12 bays of storage. I am also in the process of building my own server box with room for 18 hard drives, 2 NVME drives, and 3 SD drives. I plan to install Unraid and learn as I go. I don't do video but I am an amateur photographer and we digitized our entire DVD collection of 5K disks to our server so finding things would be easier. We kept our physical media too, just in case.
This is why Gen X fills up the most of computer industry. They know how to old tech and adapt it for modern means. Most kids nowadays have no need for external systems, wonder what the future will hold
You’ll need at least 3 of those to get some geographical redundancy
What's nice about Synologys software is that you can automatically have one back itself up onto another one. I have two in my home and they backup each other with one that backs up mine to my brothers in chicago.
Still always good to have a off site backup either cloud storage or long term in a safety deposit box etc
I have used synology since 2012 and I am happy with their products.
Can you tell me if the disks can be stopped individually? Eventually from the computer?
At that price should have some real advantages. And having all the backups on all the time is not an option.
I have used only cheap chinese adaptors. Being 100 times cheaper I did not mind when one stopped working.
@Daneel Olivaw not sure about it, I prefer not to tuch when it works)))
@@akhtyrskiy I do not get it. You left the disks spinning since then, or you just plugged it in when needed? I have multiple disks,(internal, obviously) and only two adapters, and just plug in the one needed when needed.
Anyway, if you do not know, then maybe it does not have such a button. You would have noticed it. On the case or in the software running it, if it has such a software to be installed on your PC.
And yes, good practice. If it works, do not touch it. Unfortunately I am kind of guy who cannot sleep until finds why it works, ruin it, and then fix it. :))
No, you also have to have a remote storage to have your files in safety. 3-2-1 rule: have your data in 3 copies. Two local - on your working machine and, let’s say, on your NAS. And one remote. E.g. NAS at your friend’s house. Only then you can have a peace of mind that your data is safe.
That's too much for the average person who just want to store their dog pics.
@@sleepyearth Oh, in this case you may stick to an external HDD but that's not the point of the video.
Why is that a pun? Because you're physically pulling it out?
@Infinite Shoeblack it’s a comment bait and we fell for it :(
I didn't get it either,
I mean that "hard drive" ain't creating any unwanted offspring.. .
And if you got a virus, it's too late buddy.
So basically...
It don't fit 😏
I came to write this comment and realized I already wrote it a year ago. Also I just bought a 923+ 👍
I keep all files safe in 3 different locations for backup. My PC, my nas, and my google drive. That way I can access them from more than one source.
why did I read "my nas" as "my ass"? I'm crying lmao.
@@astebe80 LOL!
How much space is on the google drive?
Been using the DS range for years. Great job
These are really good stuff. Saves a lot of cash and keeps speeds up for those large files that you don’t have speeds or bandwidth to upload to internet. Remember most of our Internet speeds have low upload speeds.
We have those at my job and they were nice for a time, but now we moved everything to the cloud.
Just better.
This dude has a "Mac" level understanding of puns...
But you still should upload an encrypted backup to any cloud provider. So if your house burns down you still have your data...
Ive decided if that happens i better go with the fire
Still someone else's computer, no thanks.
Then dont choose a cloud provider. Buy your own server. Rent a rack space.
Some people are really paranoid.
If u can somehow connect to your local NAS from the Internet it could be hacked also. Just sayin.
@@WeberDigitalConsulting I built my own using old servers that were decommissioned from a company. Dual 3.4ghz 4 core Xeons and 32gb of ECC RAM and 12 SATA/SAS connections. The thing is 100x times more powerful than any Synology system you can buy. It runs my CCTV DVR, smb shares, email, chat, Video streaming and transcoding, etc.. and over dual gigabit connections allowing me to have all the Programs and games my family uses installed to one shared drive and they load just as fast as if they were installed locally. I love this because when me and the kids game only one of use has to update the game and it's updated for everyone. A cloud storage solution would never compare and all under $400 with 16tb of redundant storage and still using the Synology OS on it with the Xpenology bootloader.
Definitely a good option.
@@ikannunaplays Try encryption.
ah thanks you reminded me to backup my files 😂
You also need to check if the rebuilding works.
Friend of me worked in a service company outfitting medical practices and (luckily) always tested all equipment _before_ installing it.
For one of the RAID devices he tested, he just pulled out one of five disks for half an hour and then re-plugged it.
Instead of re-syncing the re-connected HDD, the firmware of the RAID controller proceeded to initialize thw whole drive stack again, wiping any data on it.
I have a home server running UnRaid with NextCloud in a docker on top of that.
The advantage of unraid is that all the parity is done on one or two dedicated drive. Even in the events of 2 failures (single disk parity) or 3 drive failures (two disk parity) you can still read the data on the other drive as the drives themselves store whole files.
but if your home catches on fire... and you use this its gone. BUT if your home catches on fire, OneDrive and Google drive are off site and your files are safe. AND if, THEY catch on fire... they have masive amounts of money for offsite backups....so your files are still safe.
That’s why the 3, 2, 1 rule exists mate, doesn’t make this pointless
@@mavearik8988 what’s the 321 rule?
@@Action2me 3 separate copy on 2 different place. 1 i forget
@@fabyanraiferlangga5978 1 for every file - or is it 'for the money' i forget..
@@fraserthomson5766 1 is off site location
The product name is literally in the title itself
+ 5 seconds in and you can see the name too... 👍
The brand is on the box and in the title, not the product.
I run plex on mine too great setup
we use Synology D120s to work with at school in our own domains. Its really fun we made our own little network connecting a Cisco Router to the schools network and built a small network from there using switches, domain controllers, acces point n stuff
I do have two of these now and it’s worth to invest in it. I recently upgrade my NAS to a 4 slots one and used the old NAS with two slots for backup instead. It’s not cheap if you’re aiming to get 20tb like I did per slot😅, but i found it very useful. The two slot NAS isn’t the best for now as a backup but we’re upgrading it.
1200€+ expensive bro
Do do this, people.
I had 6 drives at home, until one day the motherboard short-circuited and all 6 drives became inoperable.
this still is not a backup
This can also happen to the Nas. So you would a UPS in front of the Nas which would cost you at least another 100$.
@@schnitzler001 I'm not sure a UPS would have saved the drives, since the voltage jump might have come from the motherboard. (maybe, I don't know...)
I prefer to have my own data in my own hands, under my own control, my own speed and without dependence on the Internet connection (multiple times slower than an HDD) and a company's policies or existence.
You keep your data in the cloud, you depend on the cloud.
My father is an IT for its own company and we have 2 like this one at home
Very convenient for data storage but he can see anything you put in your personal server space
I use the same at work, Very good for local and online storage. Access from anywhere with a decent User Interface for Online/Browser Access
I think you forgot to mention how useless it is as a cloud if you have really low Upload rates like 10Mbits. Would take Days to download some of my files from outside
Some isps block you from hosting files even when on fiber. I can't even remote into my pc 😭 from another network
I think you forgot he is a liar and bad youtuber?
@@Brandon-uy1uv can't you just make a VPN to your home network?
As an owner of one of these, thats the cleanest I've seen it in years.. damn these guys collect dust.
used a synology NAS for a good decade now. excellent hardware, but the REAL value is their service. top notch.
What people don't realize is that the actual backup device can (and will) go bad at some point. Always have another set of backup, even if it's a little older.
This legit makes my Jarvis a personal ai assistant app hosted off of my computer, I just talked about wanting to go the drive/digital host route but wanting something like this earlier today.
Its the best thing I've seen so far thanks it can take some of my expenses down 😂
Awesome setup bro! :)
Those Synology drives are well worth the money.
We had a 2-bay setup at my old office just for internal storage. 2x 1TB drives set in RAID mode, with remote access from wherever.
All for less than £300-400 including the drives.
Sheesh, it's crazy how many people are like "But what if you have a fire". Like, the kind of people that buy or build NAS devices do so for reliability and control. You can easily build or buy one and stuff it with 40 or more TB of space, far more than you could ever reasonably get with an online backup.
Yes, if your house burns down, you should have some offsite backup of whatever data you want a backup of. You can easily do that with other hard drives, tape drives (yes, they still are used), optical media, or online storage.
No, online storage is not a replacement for a NAS or vice versa, they serve different needs, and have different costs. The kind of money you would pay for the amount of storage you can have in a NAS would quickly eclipse the cost of the NAS and hard drives. Furthermore, you would probably have a hard time downloading or uploading all of your data at once in the event you needed to. A good offsite backup in a form you actually can have direct access to will generally be better if you have a lot of data, as it will take far less time.
Furthermore, while it is possible to lose your data in a fire or other natural disaster, a problem with relying on online storage is that you can just as easily lose your data if the service deems it. They may only do so if they think you have broken their TOS, but many have it in their terms that they can cut off access at any time. For as much as people say RAID is not a backup, because of the aforementioned fire or disasters, they never seem to realize that online storage isn't a proper backup either. Always have more than one backup of your data if it is that important, even if you utilize online storage, you should generally also keep an offline backup just in case. Occasionally back up to a different drive for an extra copy if you are that paranoid or the data is just that important.
Considering people keep bringing up the cheap online storage plans that don't cost much, it implies that they could easily store their data on a cheap 1TB or less hard drive, which cost very little. For those users, a NAS isn't really necessary unless they want the other features.
And like I said above, you can do things with a NAS that can't really be done easily with online storage like run a plex server.
For proper backup you would need another one in another location too. The good aspect of things like Dropbox is it's in another location.
I seem to recall in my younger days of tech that you could also make an old computer a NAS or set up a NAS with an unused drive on your main computer.
Bro really showed a NAS like it was something revolutionary 💀
The thing is that Google Drive makes it easy to share with others because a lot of people have a google account. And in extension also google photo which is very very handy for sharing with family if you don't want to use social media for that.
synology nas can also do that. i have synology storage sharing with 5 family members. they can add photo or video to that storage anytime they want
Network accessible RAID setups are certainly growing in popularity. But it would kind of be cheaper to setup one older Desktop into a NAS. Then one could setup a RAID 1 System in there with only 2 drives. Granted, it would mean that you need two 8TB drives to keep 8TB of space on them. But that's probably the cheaper option for backup data storage. while i like the idea of Storage devices like that with their own built in systems. There's lot of other options for Network storage too.
What good does it do locking it up with a key when you can pick up the whole unit and unplug it and walk away with all your hard drives. Really smart!
That thing is huge! I would use one if it was smaller and held like 10 SSD's that would be so nice to have 10 8TB SSD's in a unit like that. Connect it to my router and use it as my server storage as well as my personal storage on select drives.
It's a NAS : Network Attached Storage and the one you are holding is made by Synology. One of the greatest Nas maker
Love your videos
Saving for one of those 🙂🙌 definitely needed..
Love that you can lock it but probably use an encryption tool
Much better than online storage!
I can’t imagine a situation where I would prefer this over iCloud or google drive.
Love how you take out the one you just locked 😂
If your house burns down, bye bye data + you gotta put work into maintenance + if you have internet you can always access a cloud service (unless of course it’s down) + it uses power that you also have to pay for, and with current prices (at least here) it’s not worth it.
EDIT: and just so many more things, I just don’t wanna spend so much time on writing about it.
What happens when Google burns down?
You do need one if you’re cheap and don’t need much space . That said having your own NAS is amazing, but it’s definitely not a cheap or easily accessible option.
Drops on the ground, gg bro
I have one of these, it's pretty slick.
Putting stuff on the Cloud just means your data is on someone else's computer. It may be in a data center somewhere, but it's just as susceptible to things like drive fails, fire damage, etc. 3-2-1 -> 3 copies of your data on 2 different media types and 1 on an offsite location.
This thing is great we use them for offline Local back ups!
NAS. Network attached Storage. And the technology of the disks is called raid. And specifically Raid 5 which is disk striping with parody.
I have two synology nas’s in two separate geographical locations. They back up synchronized to each other, so I actually do not need a Google Drive because one of the drivers could fail and burn or get stolen and I will still have all my information. Having a single NAS at the same location as your workstation or server, will not substitute for a cloud back up such a Google Drive.
Me, looking at my NAS on my desk while watching you talk...
I just remember RAID configuration and different types of backup we can do from my mcsa training. 😇
Google Drive: Offsite backup in 2-3 locations around the world. Your data will likely survive the appocolypes.
Synology NAS: Onsite backup. You data will not survive the same fire/flood that killed your computer in the first place.
Onsite backup has its uses, but your data isn't save until there are 3 copies in at least 2 physical locations.
The cost of this is 1350 usd in India. If you buy a rack or small tower and make your own server it would cost less than 900 usd. It will be faster and more customisable
The magic always happens from the back😉
"The magic happens in the back", as it is will all things good.
Doesn't matter what RAID you use if something physically happens to it like the device getting stolen or destroyed in a house fire good luck getting your data back. Local backup like this is still very convenient to have but very important info it is best to also have an off site backup too. I use an online backup for such data.
As long as your house doesn't burn down.
dude cloud storage has the same importance as on premises storage. We are way beyond dial-up internet connection speeds, so the online storage is more acessible. IaaS is a bless...
The best data backup is an offsite backup, still use OneDrive or something similar for irreplaceable files.
Bro is so savvy he recorded the video backwards. Must be a pro
Yeah, Ygolonys makes some neat stuff.
Glad that key keeps people from stealing the whole thing.
You can get these on Amazon but they are not cheap. This is a good alternative solution to media consumption and availability.
Dude slams the hard drive so hard
This is a great on site backup but you still need off site backup. Your backup still needs a backup.