IMO, the fact that the Bad Batch are struggling is evidence of good writing. They no longer benefit from the supply and resources of the GAR, have lost a key member of the team to the Empire, and have taken on the monumental task of taking care of a child. They have been thrust completely out of their norm and it makes sense that they should experience a period of adaptation characterized by failures.
You’re an idiot if you consider this good writing. It’s not good writing to repeat other shows storylines, steal from movies or have a child character be better than an elite squad of soldiers. The loss of Crosshair, while a significant loss for them is also an insult to the other members because it says they’re terrible and only successful because of him. Bull. If you like this laziness, fine. Don’t make such pathetic excuses for the poor parts.
@@hkiller57 I totally agree with that, in most movies or shows, the main character or if theirs more than one, they always win without having a failure or defeat put upon them, and honestly having such "plot armour" kinda gets old eventually because it just ends up becoming "predictable" and then it just loses its shine and becomes boring....having a show where the main character/s will lose sometimes and be defeated and learn from their mistake/s then that allows character development in my opinion....
I have a belief that Clone Force 99 simply fell out of their element ever since they had to abandon the GAR and start becoming mercenaries for hire. Losing Crosshair and having to take care of Omega only exacerbates their situation.
@@9and12wholepizzas I already gave you the story explanation. If you mean from a production stand point, Omega was probably added for kid appeal, girl appeal, and an easy outlet for the BB to express their more vulnerable sides. Similar to Ahsoka in early Clone Wars or Grogu in the Mandalorian.
Sort of kinda is? Echo came up with the battle plans. If they are still using them which they should, they should be able to find weaknesses in them pretty easily, and at least know what they are doing. They also have the creator (or one of them really) of the battle plans on their team.
@@seb5542 you said "Echo came up with the battle plans. If they are still using them which they should, they should be able to find weaknesses in them pretty easily" if they arent finding a weakness in them, that means that they are effective. Is that level of english too hard to understand or are you having a stroke?
I agree, but the consistent incompetence detracts from my ability to enjoy the show. They're supposed to be elite clones and it just feels a little off when they have so much trouble so often, it's ok for battles to be difficult I just wish it wasn't due to the good guys being moronic
@@ajackass5950 they are lacking a key member in their unit it makes sense they are less effective with omega as a substitute for crosshair being ALMOST useless until this mission, i mean she did kill two clones an she's a kid, she has been a liability and a variable in their battles so mistakes will be made
@@turkeysandwich1998 I agree, but I don't think their competence would decrease so dramatically with the loss of cross hair, having omega around does divide the team further because they have to keep her safe and complete the objective but they could manage it better, they're still elite commandos who's problem solving skills and ability to adapt should be better than what's on screen. The defective inhibitor chips causing decreased combat efficiency makes a lot of sense, I hope we see them do better next week. Off topic I felt so bad for omega when she had to kill other clones.
Because A) they're missing their sniper, B) they no longer have a superpower backing them up, and C) they're a small commando squad up against larger threats. Even Delta Squad would fall within minutes if the entire Empire went after them and they had no backup. Commando units like Delta Squad and Clone Force 99 only work as shocktroops-to cause damage against the enemy then leave before reinforcements arrive. They need backup from a larger force, and without that backup, they're easy pickings. Look at what happened to Delta Squad aboard the Prosecutor. Half of them got captured, and if it wasn't for Boss' heroics, they'd all be dead.
I agree! As much as I love Republic Commando (It being one of my fav star wars games ever), I do think people tend to over inflate their skills. Besides that, the game doesn't treat Delta Squad as something super special, rather just Clone Commando's in general, which implies they are just like any other clone commando team. Awesome, but not powered up like how Jedi are shown to be.
The solution for echo is too have a cybernetic hand that can flip over the probe. The probe is too valuable to give up, but a synthetic hand would allow echo to provide much needed cover fire and make echo less of a liability. Tech I constantly coming up with new equipment, I'm sure he's capable of producing said hand in his sleep.
Couldn't they figure out a way to fit a cybernetic arm over his probe? So if he needs to access certain tech he can just detach the arm to use the probe, and reattach it when he is done
It isn't the fact that the mission was overall a success, it's the fact that they found it very difficult to complete the mission. They struggled to fight the security droids and barely escaped with the Martez sisters. They're fighting out of their element and without Crosshair.
@@bigdgray98 ya, Instead of having a known patterns on how to deal with things like before as a team, they have to now add a new variable to the equation to their tactics & that Variable is not up to their speed on what they do out of experience & they are not experienced with how she will react.
@@bigdgray98 Well actually to add, the guys were handling the mission smoothly till The Sisters got involved. And honestly it was really mostly the Bad Batch helping the sisters escape.
They’re clearly missing the precision element of the group. They’ve got their brains in Tech, their brawn in Wrecker, their utility in Echo and their ears, nose and eyes in Hunter.
@@cumunist2120 actually I’m season seven they are always with Anakin, but I feel in bad batch some of their fights don’t work as well without the Jedi, especially wrecker as his humour worked very well with anakin
During the Clone War, The Bad Batch's mindset was always to push forward at the enemy no matter odds. This often took the Separatist Droid Army by surprise; having mostly dealt with conventional holding ground tactics by the clone regs. Another thing is that the Batch have someone else to look out for, not just themselves,....Omega. That has definitely altered their tactics of engagement. The are more cautious and defense minded.
Theres also the fact that droids generally are just less reactive to unconventional warfare, the instance where the batch goes up against an entire platoon of droids legit has them tossing emp grenades at them and one of the droids deadass just caught it, a living soldier would instantly recognize that some sort of grenade is being tossed and would make it a goal to avoid it or use some sort of defensive maneuver.
Before, it was the GAR, and now fighting against real bounty hunters and dealing with the Empire. They have to relearn certain tactics and adapt. Plus the loss of Crosshair and protecting Omega changes thjngs. And you were right about being bold and flashy and now stealthy and tactical
They’re also fugitives from the Empire now. If they go their old bold and flashy tactics, they would risk Empire’s full attention instead of just Crosshair’s group.
The bad batch like the commandos are special operations their training is well far and beyond the training of your average line infantry clone grunt of the GAR. The regular infantry powers through many situations as they are trained in conventional warfare. I'm not dissing the line infantry as they do their job very well, but they fight the way they fight because their are backed up by the mane combat force and are closely supported by other platoons, companies, battalions, artillery, fast air, medivac, and a vast logistical support system. Special operation units do unconventional warfare operating on the completely other side of the spectrum where they operate well beyond the protection and support of the main combat force. As is often the case they are completely on their own to next to nil minimum support is just and extraction team or they walk out of the area of operations. That is the reason why Special operation units training pipelines are so lone, grueling, with a high washout rate. They fight completely differently. If you try and get a special forces team to fight the same way a regular line infantry company fights you are not going to get the same result and it is not going to end well.
In the days of the republic the Bad Batch didn't have to worry about bounty hunters or fellow clones hunting them, they lost their command structure allies and resources.
I think you raise a good point. In the past, they were given orders from higher up. Now, they have to design their missions themselves, with no support. And effectively they are dealing with multiple children in their group; Wrecker effectively has the foresight and planning ability of a teenage boy. They are effectively a team with disabilities (hence Bad Batch squad nickname). They are high functioning, but they were operating within a structure that supported them.
@@masonpyle5929 no the realization of the producers that their main audience isnt kids made the show better. The CWs Charackters were only in the background they didnt nearly have as big of a impact as you think they did
@@bastik.3011 Characters were a huge part of cw, and rebeles unfortunately had no idea what audience they were appealing to, its was spilt between kids and plot focused young adults
I think all factors here played their roles in the end. And now that Crosshair is in such a messy state, I think that even if he is healed, his relationships with the rest of the Bad Batch might not be the same again.
It will probably improve as you can see that he fought against his chip when his brothers were fleeing. You can see it in the survival of wrecker, Crosshair is a sniper and he was at a range that he should be able to hit a grain of rice from. If Crosshair wanted someone dead they would be, but at the last moment he shot Wrecker in a non lethal spot and saved his life.
The inhibitor chips having a negative effect on their combat efficiency is an interesting hypothesis. Their effectiveness is improved in the most recent episode of since their chip removal
It would also help support the Empire's decision to switch to human soldiers. If Clones aren't as effective as regular human recruits, why bother continue to pay Kamino an exorbitant amount of money to produce them?
@@Darth_Bateman same xD I thought of him saying little lady though xD Nah but the real crime in the newest bad batch episode was cad bane not destroying that lady bounty hunter who he already called inexperienced but maybe she is just better the. We thought
@@gabrielchastain6091 tbf Fennec Shand is being built up to be important in the canon. I mean she’s a lead in The book of Boba Fett. Can’t show her lose that easily. Plus maybe Cad Bane is just getting old. Not as fast when he loses the advantage. Also he did get hurt from an explosive.
@@saniakshay12 ya got a good point and even though he was wounded he did knock her out like twice even knocking her out once by chucking her into a wall
The lack of coordination and a designated marksman does seem to be a detriment. They don’t seem to practice in between jobs or have Echo practicing to be the new marksman of the group.
Main three reasons I think are that they aren't fighting droids anymore, which was their primary job during the war, obviously they probably fought things other than droids possibly but they also don't have Crosshair anymore, going in without overwatch to help you is pretty difficult as is, and lastly for plot purposes so every fight isn't over in half a minute
First, the doesn't hold up given that we had the Umbaran Arc in Clone Wars. They had issues but were able to fight against the Umbarans. And that was the usual clone trooper battalion with Fives and Rex. The Bad Batch should be far more advanced. As for Crosshair, it then shows that they mustn't have been deployed often to have a high success rate if they were THAT reliant on each other. Compare that to Gregor who was a Reg Clone Commando who was out of it for a few months or years with no backup whatsoever. Besides, why not have Echo hang back and act like a second pair of eyes due to him being an ARC Trooper? Or Tech with his special glasses? However, you can still have it that the Batch is in tense situations by making the enemy smarter rather than the Batch dumber. Take the Zygerrian episode: Have it that the traps they are caught by are actually extremely primitive to the point of being designed for slaves to wander into rather than military purposes. So that Batch comment that they weren't expecting it because it's never deployed in battle which shows how the Zygerrians maybe aren't a warmongering species like we see with the Umbarans.
The Hero's Journey is a test. Thus the challenges, struggles, obstacles, the discipline that builds character, moments of truth, the loses, sacrifices, & lessons that prepare those brave enough for thier "destiny".
I believe it makes the team more relatable and human. It keeps the story interesting. I remember Stan Lee said what's so interesting in a man who can do anything prefect.
I just think It's how the show Is written and the people behind It. Even when they showed Gregor, a Republic Commando, he didn't really fight any more different than a normal clone. He's more stealthy and has the high ground, but that's about It. Honestly, the only difference between a good fighter and a bad one In TCW Is that the bad fighters are background clones that die In one shot.
I would say that there is a difference. The more skilled Clones like the Bad Batch or Gregor did not miss that many shots, often non at all, while Regs often miss many shots. Therefore I would say that there is some difference, although I believe that Cloneforce 99 lacks a proper idea of tactics without crosshair. Yeah, they have their own tactics, but they were designed against clankers. Crosshair would probably know many "normal" tactics which can be used against organic enemies
@@davidsuntner8862 I would argue that they do know the tactics, but can't really pull them off without Crosshair. As Allen said, he was their backbone.
In my opinion, the difference between good and not so good soldier has been shown in Rishi moon episode, where "shinies" Fives, Echo and Hevy were ready for a bulky approach, to fight a larger force face to face, while Rex came up with something tactically better like exploding the station
Personally I believe it's mainly due to plot they are trying to show that at the end of the day an elite group such as them won't win all the time and at the end of the day they are still human and thus making their victories evan greater when they aren't as common as they used to be
Well one of their best team members are gone, they've got a kid to care for, they're outside of their element, they're without the supplies that they'd get with the GAR, and pretty much every pack of criminals across the galaxy has learned how to fight clones, regardless of whether they're genetically divergent or not.
Between being down an essential squadmate, and being thrust into scenarios *completely* out of their realm of expertise, I thought it'd be obvious why they're suddenly losing.
Because they don't have Crosshair maybe when they go to Camino and save Omega maybe they can save Crosshair by taking out the chip from his head knock him out take the medical Bay chip off
@@lancer737 no. It was said in the first episode that the chip had a mild effect on him, that’s why he followed order 66 but still mostly followed hunters orders, until the kaminoan turned up its effects to have its full effects. Watch the episode again
@@koro_kokoro I am not watching them at all, I can not morally support Diseny after what they did to Gina, after supporting the CCP. I have to read about what happens or just watch people talk about it.
Anyone else annoyed at how Hunter always seems to be caught by surprise? The guy is supposed to have "super enhanced senses" and tracking abilities. He can even smell his enemies coming! Hunter is the ONE person of the Bad Batch who should never be caught off guard. But instead Hunter always gets taken out like he's just a regular clone with a knife.
I chalked up some of it to his chip, but I also noticed some super subtle ways he senses things. Liiike -knowing Omega was walking behind them in the hallway -dodging a swing from behind he couldn’t even see during the cafeteria brawl -knowing exactly which crater omega would come out of on the moon -sensing Rex in Sid’s bar/casino thing As well as many more instances. That and you gotta understand, he’s been accustomed to fighting droids for years, and sometimes it’s a bit jarring, but Hunter’s main skill is tracking. Which he’s always been consistently great at. That, and it’s not a stretch to believe that when too much is going on his senses get overstimulated and he “loses his touch” so to speak
To be fair his concentration is probably far more split up, he's gotta keep everyone in line while the world's falling apart, he's got a chip rattling his mind, a child, his sniper brother isn't there so as the leader he now needs to find ways to compensate, while still trying to do his thing.
It’s two reason mainly loss of their brother Crosshairs and the child clone Omega that they have to protect and the inhibitor chips might be making them lose focus on what they have to do
I do have questions of their history in the clone wars since they say they were the best but if they only up against droids the entire time in less covert operations and more of a ranger or Raider type missions against the separatists. It also seems unlikely how covert or quiet the squad can with how the bad batch seems to go loud at the first chance they get with Wrecker especially.
Those security droids seemed to be a combination of BX Commando droids and security droids, Commando droids were more advanced and better in combat. Honestly Crosshair was probably the most needed member in the Bad Batch, without him they don’t have eyes and they have no cover fire, Crosshair allowed the team to do what they needed.
Every now and then one of the Bad Batch seriously carries a mission, such as Wrecker creating portable cover, Crosshair sniping and allowing for far higher coordination or Echo shutting down an entire company of battle droids. It makes sense that without Crosshair they're suffering. Also, in the fight against the police droids, Tech and Echo had to defend their position, while Hunter was busy trying to keep Omega alive and retrieve a droid head at the same time. All the while Wrecker was struggling with his inhibitor chip rendering him briefly ineffective. All this plus no Crosshair is why they struggled so much. It's also worth noting that most of the time in the Clone Wars, the Bad Batch seems to have just been sent in to wipe out droids. They have repeatedly struggled to keep Omega out of harm's way during missions, and when they were required to split up to retrieve an objective they struggled. Now that the war is over they are being faced with more delicate situations than "kill everything in sight". I think in time they will adapt (and perhaps get Crosshair back), but for now the going is tough.
The Death Star would clear the planet and the Empire wins. The closest anyone got (besides Luke) to hitting the exhaust port was Red Leader who only grazed it. My guess is Luke joins Han and Chewie in their smuggling trade.
Don't forget a giant problem- their lack of experience in how civilian life and underworld interactions takes place. They didn't understand the mechanics behind bribery, failed at finding an informant that was standing in front of them and were blind to all the civilian charges they were racking up on Sid's tab such as docking fees and refueling which would have been automatically free to them before defecting. Absolutely none of them ever noticed Omega accidentally stole her doll since it wasn't part of the transaction when selling Echo and Wrecker doesn't carry credits for snack runs. Hunter even tried selling a bomb to a trader because in his mind that is a totally normal item to have on your ship instead of a dangerous illegal weapon. It might not sound like that would affect combat prowess but it takes a toll- less gear, less options for extraction or backup, intel is low or nonexistent and the targets you are fighting are going to be using strange or dowright evil tactics instead of battle formations and strategic advancement. During the slaver fight Tech was actually googling Rancor calming methods and civilian language translations. His search history after each mission must be a mess.
Here's another reason: They feel real. When they lose, we connect, because we lose too in life. All these overpowered protagonists or protagonists with TONS of plot armor never seem to struggle. We see these guys struggle. There's reasonable reasons for their struggle. It feels Real.
Video idea: How does order 66 work. A clone could hear the command from a hologram or 50ft a way and still be able to follow the command. Are all the chips linked? How does this work?
These clone teams were essentially raised to be a team - loosing one member has a substantial effect on that feeling of teamwork - Omega, however, while currently a drain, will soon become, I think, something of a replacement for Crosshair - you don’t have to be a 7’ tall 300lb beast to be a sniper, after all.
I just assumed that losing Crosshair was like losing a wheel off your car. Ofc that’s gonna make it more difficult. That and they’re not just fighting dumbass droids anymore
Psychology is probably a big factor. During the war, they were doing what they were made to do and what they trained their entire lives for. Most of all, they had a cause to believe in. Now they’re on the run, are enemies of their former brothers, have to figure out how to provide for themselves, and are generally as out of their element as they can be with no goal beyond day-to-day survival and no prospect for anything better. Their lives have been completely uprooted and they’re struggling to figure out what to do with themselves now, which is showing in their lack of focus in battle.
Man they really got to get my boi Echo an arm and maybe he can still have the Jack attachment in his finger like C3PO but still dual wield his DC-17’s like a badass like Rex and Fives I really feel like he got nerfed because maybe not having a arm Irl can be a disadvantage but that really shouldn’t be the case in Star Wars
You pretty much summed up most of the reasons. Different tactics than they're used to, losing one of their best members and having to take care of Omega, who I would compare to escort targets in Warframe (not entirely helpless if armed, but they WILL die if you don't protect them well enough and/or complete the mission soon enough), plus having less access to info in general.
Three additional theories: 1. *They're over-specialized.* When fighting Separatist battle droids, they are like a finely tuned supercar - but they're _so_ hyper-focused for that purpose that they're out of their element when facing anyone else. People talk about real-world military theory as "generals gearing up to fight the last war", when some new development or tactical approach ends up making the Old Guard look antiquated, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if the Bad Batch's special mutations make them a living example of that. It's also worth noting that Captain Rex and his crew didn't seem to have much trouble with new or unexpected things he was never trained for, like fighting Stormtroopers or giant alien spiders. 2. *They're getting old.* Clones age at least twice as fast as normal humans, particularly given how much abuse they take in combat. Sure, they're tough and bounce back from injuries well, but infantry who've been in service for a while often consider things like tylenol the same way civilians think of candy. The Bad Batch has been on continuous deployments for years by this point; this would be a decade or more of not just active duty, but active combat. It's a wonder their knees don't sound like pepper grinders. Even without that, the clones were designed to be physically stable and finely balanced, while the Bad Batch were literal mutants whose genetics just happened to yield useful abilities. It wouldn't surprise me at all if their physical conditions are deteriorating a lot faster than normal, even for clones - especially since, again, we see Rex in Rebels just a couple years later, and he's the first to admit he's getting a bit rusty and creaky. 3. *Bad writing.* It's early stages yet, but Omega seems to be saving the Batch an awful lot. The Phoenix Cell in Rebels had a wide-eyed kid in tow too, but it wasn't until the 2nd or 3rd season before Ezra really started pulling his weight. Until that point, he wasn't bad, and things usually worked out all right, but he caused at least as much trouble as he solved - not to mention how his presence painted a target on Phoenix Cell by itself. We'll have to see what happens, but the Bad Batch currently seem to exist in large part to let Omega save them. Hopefully they'll get to do their own impressive things.
You covered most of the points I would raise. Every gamer knows how annoying Escort and Hostage missions are, and living with Omega is one prolonged version of that. Their team is extremely dependent on each individual's skills and the only one I think they could function without is Echo because he's the newest and doesn't really bring much to the table that Tech can't do with tools, so arguably Crosshair is their greatest possible loss- and now Hunter is sidelined a bit as well. I think you could have made more of your point about losing the information and resource backing of the entire GAR. They have only been in operation for 3 years at the longest and they have depended on the GAR for mission info, planet info, weapon and survival supplies, fuel. They have no consistent resources except their deteriorating ship, the gear they had with them, and their skills. And eventually that ship and their gear is likely to be damaged beyond repair, replacements just won't be the same. This is what they are supposed to be facing, they are gradually losing more and more of the things that made them successful to begin with.
shows how badly the clones relayed on the Jedi for the initiative, even figuring out who was Cid, when she was right in front of them, their like children having to deal with a adults world with out the safety net of the Jedi and republic
I think because OMEEEEGAAH makes them have to change their strats. For example Tik and Recka have to explain more what they are doing and Huntaah has to babysit her. Eeeeekooo idk
I think people overlook how much of a factor the giant lizard played in the battle with the slavers. Bad Batch had no reason to believe at the time that there would be a creature like that there or that it was even the pet of the slavers. The thing was able to go toe to toe with a baby rancor for a time and was clearly intelligent. After they get rescued by Omega they actually fight fairly well, it was the surprise attack by the lizard that messed things up there.
@@nch2004 I was referring to it. Batch using stun bolts on the scavengers, going out of their way again to not have the good guys hurt anyone. Bad guys can commit war crimes but They aren't even allowed to slay a diagnoga. Feels forced.
@@slicerneons3300 Yeah but later in the same episode we see Hunter having zero hesitation when killing clones on the artillery deck. Once the cannon fires he starts firing actual bolts into the clones, not stun bolts.
@@nch2004 Which bugs me for a different reason. They have yet to address the psycholohical toll of Clines having to fight & kill each other. Killing your own brothers has severe ramifications.
I think being down the overwatch is a pretty big contributing factor and as omega get more proficient with the energy bow she will start to fill in this whole in the team, especially with omega being more perceptive then the rest. Big spoilers under this line ________________________________________ That is if they can get omega back from cade bane.
They should give Echo a prosthetic arm which he can put on and off, when he needs his other arm to get into computer systems and all that. With a second hand, he could become the ARC trooper that he once was.
+1 to the removal of crosshair explaining the bad batch's sucky win rate. It's a lot easier to go crazy in battle when you have a dude in the backline always watching your back.
Can't forget that with the slavers, there was the monster and in the tactical droid mission, they had to deal with the sisters which complicated everything
It's the difference between actual warfare and fighting random skirmishes. One is coordinated, has clear objectives, and has logistic support and resources. Meanwhile the other has ever-changing variables, circumstances, no back up, AND perhaps most crucially... They aren't fighting poorly programmed battle droids anymore.
There's also a morale factor as well - the goal of the Grand Army was always the defeat of the CIS, but there wasn't much thought as to what would become of the clones after that. Now the group is actively being hunted and on the run from the organization that created them, and none of them are certain about their place in the galaxy anymore; that would place anyone on the back foot.
I noticed this too and I'm glad someone addressed it. They went from total killers, to pathetic and incompetent. It will change, but better happen sooner than later.
As I see it the reasons are: 1. fighting new previously unknown enemies (Zygerrians, security droids, bounty hunters, Stormtroopers) after years of fighting the same models of CIS' battle droids 2. Crosshair who was part of the original lineup is gone 3. lack of support from GAR 4. squad members have a lot on their mind meaning they can't focus just on combat 5. necessity to protect Omega
Theres also the problem of unexpected complications. The slavers pet dragon, the Martinz sisters, or Fennec turning up generally aren't factored into their strategies.
I think it’s the inhibitor chips because in the newest episode they are against clones most likely one of their biggest challenges and they make it out alive
In my opinion the most important members of the bad batch are Crosshair and Tech. Now I don't say that because I like them. Crosshair is the eye in the field and Tech can make the plans to escape. For example if it wasn't for Tech in the engine then the Bad Batch would have been burned alive. If Wrecker turned instead of Crosshair then the damage wouldn't be too big because Wrecker has to get close to the members but until he goes close then Crosshair would have shot him 100 times already. And last because of Omega
I think my biggest issue with the battles is that ever so often, they only survive because of the enemies being incredibly useless. The first battle against droids is especially frustrating. The droids have sooooo many good shot opportunities. Literally seconds of just raising your weapon and pulling the trigger.
I think part of the reason why the Bad Batch keep losing is because they’re on the run. Come to think about it, the Bad Batch, nor any active clone in the GAR has ever had to worry about food, ammunition, or facilities, because the Republic took care of those things during the war. I mean during the war they could head back to Kamino and resupply, restock, and refuel no problem, while also getting some much needed R&R. But now that they’re fugitives, they have to spend more time and more energy worrying about how to pay for their rations and ammo, not to mention trying to pay Sid off. All of this time working could’ve been used to get some R&R, which I’d imagine greatly improves the efficiency of a unit. Also, they’ve spent so much time working jobs that they haven’t been able to train so that they could compensate for Crosshairs’ absence.
I like all of those theories, but I think what 's most significant is that CF99 is no longer on a military mission, yet they often behave like they still are. They are used to using force to achieve their goals, and that is not very practical when you want to stay hidden, as it attracts a lot of attention. Especially in a militarized surveillance state, even their impressive combat abilities will not protect them from being overrun if they don't become more stealthy, and Wrecker will have the biggest issue in that department
Another biggest flaw when they fight Cross-hair, is he knows their tactics. They haven't adjusted for that, they still think of the standard tactics the Regs would have been using & not adjusting knowing that they are fighting one of their own. When they know he is in the area, they have to adjust in a new way to counter his knowledge of their team work. Also while losing one of their team, they now have Omega in the mix. She is not up to speed on their tactics & also currently less able to go all out. So they have to hold back on their skills at times with the add task of protecting her at the same time. It adds a little distraction & chaos to what they need to do.
They aren't fighting clankers anymore, they lost Crosshair, they have to gather precisely all their information on the ground themselves vs getting a wealth of knowledge on potential threats and the layout of the terrain or facility prior to landing via a briefing. If Cid warms up to them a bit more and begins to give them more info on a mission than "you need to get this item from this location," and not actively withholding key details on the jobs she's sending them on, it's possible they'll be able to get back on their feet fighting more like they used to.
Well I ain't no tactics expert but that's a good thought though loosing a member of a team is a hard thing to coupe with especially if you need that person to successfully complete it
The Clone Force 99 is a specialized unit. When you ask soldiers who are artillery to convert to being tankers, there is going to be a learning curve. They will not be as effective as they would be as artillery. I think that Crosshair's absence is a big issue with why the rest struggle. I would say they are still highly effective but less so without Crosshair.😉👍✨
Yeah it makes sense that Crosshair is the reason theyre so not efficient, which is why i beilieve the writers took him out of the picture. Not only did it create a rift among comrades in arms but it also neefed the Bad Batch so that way there could be a story to tell from one episode to the next. Otherwise it would just be the Bad Batch wrecking the hell out of all of their adversaries and it would be obvious they would win every single time. Still they can get the job done despite this handicap.
There is another issue that he didn't bring up and that is the presence of Omega. Though she has been helpful, she is a liablity in combat given her inexperience. Given the trouble she tends to find herself in, Clone Force 99 finds themselves having to break rank to help her far more than they would have to. Something that isn't helped by the absence of Crosshair. He'd actually be the ideal person to pair her with as she could act as his spotter while he shoots.
The security droids remind me of commando droids. they actually use the weapon sights, there posture is the same. I just figured that they were of a similar make. Remember, Commando droids gave both clones and Jedi a hard time.
It's probably a bit late on my part however in the latest episode when they had someone to draw attention and someone to lead their firepower they were able to accomplish there mission with little issue.
They have no backing, they have to babysit omega, the shift in enemy variety went from 0 to 100, and they have to be extra quiet since they're on the lam
Great vid GenTech! I think the main reason is poor intel. Since they nolonger have the support of the GAR's intelligence network all they have is what Cid tells them. Also as you noted, no Crosshair hurts the squad as well.
I would like to know why Echo seems so helpless. I get it, the dude had it rough but I would think an arc trooper wouldnt perform as bad as what he is shown. The other members of clone force 99 have to save him quite often.
IMO, the fact that the Bad Batch are struggling is evidence of good writing. They no longer benefit from the supply and resources of the GAR, have lost a key member of the team to the Empire, and have taken on the monumental task of taking care of a child. They have been thrust completely out of their norm and it makes sense that they should experience a period of adaptation characterized by failures.
Agreed.
Yeah I really agree without crosshair, they still wouldn’t be doing that bad, but without resources too; it’s much harder without a man and supplies.
You’re an idiot if you consider this good writing. It’s not good writing to repeat other shows storylines, steal from movies or have a child character be better than an elite squad of soldiers. The loss of Crosshair, while a significant loss for them is also an insult to the other members because it says they’re terrible and only successful because of him. Bull. If you like this laziness, fine. Don’t make such pathetic excuses for the poor parts.
in reality they are losing because you cant have a show where the protagonists just steamroll over everything as that would get old real quick
@@hkiller57 I totally agree with that, in most movies or shows, the main character or if theirs more than one, they always win without having a failure or defeat put upon them, and honestly having such "plot armour" kinda gets old eventually because it just ends up becoming "predictable" and then it just loses its shine and becomes boring....having a show where the main character/s will lose sometimes and be defeated and learn from their mistake/s then that allows character development in my opinion....
I have a belief that Clone Force 99 simply fell out of their element ever since they had to abandon the GAR and start becoming mercenaries for hire. Losing Crosshair and having to take care of Omega only exacerbates their situation.
"Have to" why? This is BB not omega show
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Well they aren't just going to abandon a fellow clone like Omega. Especally since she's a child.
@@Teknanam why is omega even there is what I'm saying. This is basically just a different show at this point
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I already gave you the story explanation. If you mean from a production stand point, Omega was probably added for kid appeal, girl appeal, and an easy outlet for the BB to express their more vulnerable sides. Similar to Ahsoka in early Clone Wars or Grogu in the Mandalorian.
@@9and12wholepizzas how is it a different show just because of omega?
Because they’re not fighting droids, fighting clones aren’t in any of their battle plans.
Sort of kinda is? Echo came up with the battle plans. If they are still using them which they should, they should be able to find weaknesses in them pretty easily, and at least know what they are doing. They also have the creator (or one of them really) of the battle plans on their team.
@@seb5542 doesnt that mean that the battle plans are effective enough to make it hard for them to find a weakness in it?? :v
@@AlFredo-sx2yy I'm not sure you read my comment correctly. Because I'm struggling to make sense of what you said given what I said.
@@seb5542 not just that, they are also down their sniper
@@seb5542 you said "Echo came up with the battle plans. If they are still using them which they should, they should be able to find weaknesses in them pretty easily"
if they arent finding a weakness in them, that means that they are effective.
Is that level of english too hard to understand or are you having a stroke?
I believe it’s just to make the show more enjoyable than 15 second battles
I agree, but the consistent incompetence detracts from my ability to enjoy the show. They're supposed to be elite clones and it just feels a little off when they have so much trouble so often, it's ok for battles to be difficult I just wish it wasn't due to the good guys being moronic
@@ajackass5950 they are lacking a key member in their unit it makes sense they are less effective with omega as a substitute for crosshair being ALMOST useless until this mission, i mean she did kill two clones an she's a kid, she has been a liability and a variable in their battles so mistakes will be made
@@turkeysandwich1998 agreed
@@turkeysandwich1998 I agree, but I don't think their competence would decrease so dramatically with the loss of cross hair, having omega around does divide the team further because they have to keep her safe and complete the objective but they could manage it better, they're still elite commandos who's problem solving skills and ability to adapt should be better than what's on screen. The defective inhibitor chips causing decreased combat efficiency makes a lot of sense, I hope we see them do better next week. Off topic I felt so bad for omega when she had to kill other clones.
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Because A) they're missing their sniper, B) they no longer have a superpower backing them up, and C) they're a small commando squad up against larger threats. Even Delta Squad would fall within minutes if the entire Empire went after them and they had no backup. Commando units like Delta Squad and Clone Force 99 only work as shocktroops-to cause damage against the enemy then leave before reinforcements arrive. They need backup from a larger force, and without that backup, they're easy pickings. Look at what happened to Delta Squad aboard the Prosecutor. Half of them got captured, and if it wasn't for Boss' heroics, they'd all be dead.
I agree! As much as I love Republic Commando (It being one of my fav star wars games ever), I do think people tend to over inflate their skills. Besides that, the game doesn't treat Delta Squad as something super special, rather just Clone Commando's in general, which implies they are just like any other clone commando team. Awesome, but not powered up like how Jedi are shown to be.
Well delta squad did went against a warship xD
The solution for echo is too have a cybernetic hand that can flip over the probe. The probe is too valuable to give up, but a synthetic hand would allow echo to provide much needed cover fire and make echo less of a liability. Tech I constantly coming up with new equipment, I'm sure he's capable of producing said hand in his sleep.
He’d be able to use more than that lousy pistol
Couldn't they figure out a way to fit a cybernetic arm over his probe? So if he needs to access certain tech he can just detach the arm to use the probe, and reattach it when he is done
Or they could add a small blaster on top of the probe
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There are leaked Bad Batch toys showing that Echo will have a protocol droid-looking hand attachment (among others).
Hot toys has attachments for echo
The security droid heist wasn’t a failure, they succeeded in their mission. They just gave it to the rebels who needed it more
It isn't the fact that the mission was overall a success, it's the fact that they found it very difficult to complete the mission. They struggled to fight the security droids and barely escaped with the Martez sisters. They're fighting out of their element and without Crosshair.
@@bigdgray98 Well, we also had the inhibitor chip in Wrecker mess with his ability to complete his task in time.
@@Weirdracin yup there was that too, and plus they had to watch out for Omega who's very inexperienced in any form of combat.
@@bigdgray98 ya, Instead of having a known patterns on how to deal with things like before as a team, they have to now add a new variable to the equation to their tactics & that Variable is not up to their speed on what they do out of experience & they are not experienced with how she will react.
@@bigdgray98 Well actually to add, the guys were handling the mission smoothly till The Sisters got involved. And honestly it was really mostly the Bad Batch helping the sisters escape.
Of course loosing Crosshair is a huge blow. In Star Wars, having the high ground is very important.
You underestimate the power of a scorpion tank
They’re clearly missing the precision element of the group. They’ve got their brains in Tech, their brawn in Wrecker, their utility in Echo and their ears, nose and eyes in Hunter.
Also the stupid in Wreaker.
Also no Jedi like we saw them with Anakin in season 7, they miss the skills of a talented Jedi like Anakin Skywalker
Echo just needs another hand hopefully
@@YT-ol7ss the bad batch rarely fought alongside Jedi in the clone wars lack of Jedi isn’t a problem
@@cumunist2120 actually I’m season seven they are always with Anakin, but I feel in bad batch some of their fights don’t work as well without the Jedi, especially wrecker as his humour worked very well with anakin
During the Clone War, The Bad Batch's mindset was always to push forward at the enemy no matter odds. This often took the Separatist Droid Army by surprise; having mostly dealt with conventional holding ground tactics by the clone regs. Another thing is that the Batch have someone else to look out for, not just themselves,....Omega. That has definitely altered their tactics of engagement. The are more cautious and defense minded.
Theres also the fact that droids generally are just less reactive to unconventional warfare, the instance where the batch goes up against an entire platoon of droids legit has them tossing emp grenades at them and one of the droids deadass just caught it, a living soldier would instantly recognize that some sort of grenade is being tossed and would make it a goal to avoid it or use some sort of defensive maneuver.
Before, it was the GAR, and now fighting against real bounty hunters and dealing with the Empire. They have to relearn certain tactics and adapt. Plus the loss of Crosshair and protecting Omega changes thjngs. And you were right about being bold and flashy and now stealthy and tactical
They’re also fugitives from the Empire now. If they go their old bold and flashy tactics, they would risk Empire’s full attention instead of just Crosshair’s group.
The bad batch like the commandos are special operations their training is well far and beyond the training of your average line infantry clone grunt of the GAR.
The regular infantry powers through many situations as they are trained in conventional warfare. I'm not dissing the line infantry as they do their job very well, but they fight the way they fight because their are backed up by the mane combat force and are closely supported by other platoons, companies, battalions, artillery, fast air, medivac, and a vast logistical support system.
Special operation units do unconventional warfare operating on the completely other side of the spectrum where they operate well beyond the protection and support of the main combat force. As is often the case they are completely on their own to next to nil minimum support is just and extraction team or they walk out of the area of operations. That is the reason why Special operation units training pipelines are so lone, grueling, with a high washout rate. They fight completely differently. If you try and get a special forces team to fight the same way a regular line infantry company fights you are not going to get the same result and it is not going to end well.
In the days of the republic the Bad Batch didn't have to worry about bounty hunters or fellow clones hunting them, they lost their command structure allies and resources.
I think you raise a good point. In the past, they were given orders from higher up. Now, they have to design their missions themselves, with no support. And effectively they are dealing with multiple children in their group; Wrecker effectively has the foresight and planning ability of a teenage boy. They are effectively a team with disabilities (hence Bad Batch squad nickname). They are high functioning, but they were operating within a structure that supported them.
Having a show where the good guys can lose is much more interesting than the opposite
Kind of like that Rebels show
@@joevenespineli6389 The clone wars characters and Darth maul returning made that show watchable.
@@masonpyle5929 no the realization of the producers that their main audience isnt kids made the show better.
The CWs Charackters were only in the background they didnt nearly have as big of a impact as you think they did
@@bastik.3011 Characters were a huge part of cw, and rebeles unfortunately had no idea what audience they were appealing to, its was spilt between kids and plot focused young adults
@@enol1466 i never said that in cw the characters were meaningless. I ment that the CW charackter in Rebels barely had an influence on rebels
I think all factors here played their roles in the end. And now that Crosshair is in such a messy state, I think that even if he is healed, his relationships with the rest of the Bad Batch might not be the same again.
It will probably improve as you can see that he fought against his chip when his brothers were fleeing. You can see it in the survival of wrecker, Crosshair is a sniper and he was at a range that he should be able to hit a grain of rice from. If Crosshair wanted someone dead they would be, but at the last moment he shot Wrecker in a non lethal spot and saved his life.
@@anondabomb not
To mention, be had them surrounded and he just let tech keep fiddling with his device. . . .
@@Darth_Bateman I think they can reduce their combat efficiency when fighting their brothers or other loved ones.
The inhibitor chips having a negative effect on their combat efficiency is an interesting hypothesis. Their effectiveness is improved in the most recent episode of since their chip removal
It would also help support the Empire's decision to switch to human soldiers. If Clones aren't as effective as regular human recruits, why bother continue to pay Kamino an exorbitant amount of money to produce them?
Allen: "Hopefully we'll get to see the Bad Batch fight at their fullest potential in the next episode"
Cad Bane: Not so fast there buckaroo
I read that in his actual voice. Lmfao
@@Darth_Bateman same xD
I thought of him saying little lady though xD
Nah but the real crime in the newest bad batch episode was cad bane not destroying that lady bounty hunter who he already called inexperienced but maybe she is just better the. We thought
@@gabrielchastain6091 tbf Fennec Shand is being built up to be important in the canon. I mean she’s a lead in The book of Boba Fett.
Can’t show her lose that easily. Plus maybe Cad Bane is just getting old. Not as fast when he loses the advantage. Also he did get hurt from an explosive.
@@saniakshay12 ya got a good point and even though he was wounded he did knock her out like twice even knocking her out once by chucking her into a wall
The lack of coordination and a designated marksman does seem to be a detriment. They don’t seem to practice in between jobs or have Echo practicing to be the new marksman of the group.
Main three reasons I think are that they aren't fighting droids anymore, which was their primary job during the war, obviously they probably fought things other than droids possibly but they also don't have Crosshair anymore, going in without overwatch to help you is pretty difficult as is, and lastly for plot purposes so every fight isn't over in half a minute
First, the doesn't hold up given that we had the Umbaran Arc in Clone Wars. They had issues but were able to fight against the Umbarans. And that was the usual clone trooper battalion with Fives and Rex. The Bad Batch should be far more advanced.
As for Crosshair, it then shows that they mustn't have been deployed often to have a high success rate if they were THAT reliant on each other. Compare that to Gregor who was a Reg Clone Commando who was out of it for a few months or years with no backup whatsoever. Besides, why not have Echo hang back and act like a second pair of eyes due to him being an ARC Trooper? Or Tech with his special glasses?
However, you can still have it that the Batch is in tense situations by making the enemy smarter rather than the Batch dumber. Take the Zygerrian episode: Have it that the traps they are caught by are actually extremely primitive to the point of being designed for slaves to wander into rather than military purposes. So that Batch comment that they weren't expecting it because it's never deployed in battle which shows how the Zygerrians maybe aren't a warmongering species like we see with the Umbarans.
The Hero's Journey is a test. Thus the challenges, struggles, obstacles, the discipline that builds character, moments of truth, the loses, sacrifices, & lessons that prepare those brave enough for thier "destiny".
A soldier and bounty hunter have different sets of skills
And F99 are soldiers
So, missing a sniper to overlook the battle eh
Yes
The high ground is important
I believe it makes the team more relatable and human. It keeps the story interesting. I remember Stan Lee said what's so interesting in a man who can do anything prefect.
I just think It's how the show Is written and the people behind It. Even when they showed Gregor, a Republic Commando, he didn't really fight any more different than a normal clone. He's more stealthy and has the high ground, but that's about It. Honestly, the only difference between a good fighter and a bad one In TCW Is that the bad fighters are background clones that die In one shot.
I would say that there is a difference. The more skilled Clones like the Bad Batch or Gregor did not miss that many shots, often non at all, while Regs often miss many shots. Therefore I would say that there is some difference, although I believe that Cloneforce 99 lacks a proper idea of tactics without crosshair. Yeah, they have their own tactics, but they were designed against clankers. Crosshair would probably know many "normal" tactics which can be used against organic enemies
@@davidsuntner8862 agreed
@@davidsuntner8862 I would argue that they do know the tactics, but can't really pull them off without Crosshair. As Allen said, he was their backbone.
In my opinion, the difference between good and not so good soldier has been shown in Rishi moon episode, where "shinies" Fives, Echo and Hevy were ready for a bulky approach, to fight a larger force face to face, while Rex came up with something tactically better like exploding the station
The lost of Crosshair feels like if Legolas betrayed the Fellowship in LOTR
As Omega would say, "We are Generation Tick"
Huntah
Personally I believe it's mainly due to plot they are trying to show that at the end of the day an elite group such as them won't win all the time and at the end of the day they are still human and thus making their victories evan greater when they aren't as common as they used to be
You should do a pros and cons on the Bad Batch’s shuttle the Havoc Marauder
Well one of their best team members are gone, they've got a kid to care for, they're outside of their element, they're without the supplies that they'd get with the GAR, and pretty much every pack of criminals across the galaxy has learned how to fight clones, regardless of whether they're genetically divergent or not.
They are down one member, trying to survive in a world where the Republic won’t support them, fighting smarter enemies than battle droids
*Pinned down by the sniper.* “Fucking camper!”
*Being supported by the sniper.* “I love this camper!”
Between being down an essential squadmate, and being thrust into scenarios *completely* out of their realm of expertise, I thought it'd be obvious why they're suddenly losing.
Well, now that their chips are out, they seemed to have fared much better in this episode.
Because they don't have Crosshair maybe when they go to Camino and save Omega maybe they can save Crosshair by taking out the chip from his head knock him out take the medical Bay chip off
I think he is the way he is, by choice.
@@lancer737 oh yeah I hope you reconsider
@@lancer737 no. It was said in the first episode that the chip had a mild effect on him, that’s why he followed order 66 but still mostly followed hunters orders, until the kaminoan turned up its effects to have its full effects. Watch the episode again
@@shankshernandez2348 lancer is mistaken, it’s not choice
@@koro_kokoro I am not watching them at all, I can not morally support Diseny after what they did to Gina, after supporting the CCP. I have to read about what happens or just watch people talk about it.
Anyone else annoyed at how Hunter always seems to be caught by surprise? The guy is supposed to have "super enhanced senses" and tracking abilities. He can even smell his enemies coming! Hunter is the ONE person of the Bad Batch who should never be caught off guard. But instead Hunter always gets taken out like he's just a regular clone with a knife.
Allso doesn't help he is augmented to sense droids not organics
I chalked up some of it to his chip, but I also noticed some super subtle ways he senses things. Liiike
-knowing Omega was walking behind them in the hallway
-dodging a swing from behind he couldn’t even see during the cafeteria brawl
-knowing exactly which crater omega would come out of on the moon
-sensing Rex in Sid’s bar/casino thing
As well as many more instances.
That and you gotta understand, he’s been accustomed to fighting droids for years, and sometimes it’s a bit jarring, but Hunter’s main skill is tracking. Which he’s always been consistently great at. That, and it’s not a stretch to believe that when too much is going on his senses get overstimulated and he “loses his touch” so to speak
To be fair his concentration is probably far more split up, he's gotta keep everyone in line while the world's falling apart, he's got a chip rattling his mind, a child, his sniper brother isn't there so as the leader he now needs to find ways to compensate, while still trying to do his thing.
It’s two reason mainly loss of their brother Crosshairs and the child clone Omega that they have to protect and the inhibitor chips might be making them lose focus on what they have to do
I do have questions of their history in the clone wars since they say they were the best but if they only up against droids the entire time in less covert operations and more of a ranger or Raider type missions against the separatists. It also seems unlikely how covert or quiet the squad can with how the bad batch seems to go loud at the first chance they get with Wrecker especially.
Those security droids seemed to be a combination of BX Commando droids and security droids, Commando droids were more advanced and better in combat. Honestly Crosshair was probably the most needed member in the Bad Batch, without him they don’t have eyes and they have no cover fire, Crosshair allowed the team to do what they needed.
Every now and then one of the Bad Batch seriously carries a mission, such as Wrecker creating portable cover, Crosshair sniping and allowing for far higher coordination or Echo shutting down an entire company of battle droids. It makes sense that without Crosshair they're suffering.
Also, in the fight against the police droids, Tech and Echo had to defend their position, while Hunter was busy trying to keep Omega alive and retrieve a droid head at the same time. All the while Wrecker was struggling with his inhibitor chip rendering him briefly ineffective. All this plus no Crosshair is why they struggled so much.
It's also worth noting that most of the time in the Clone Wars, the Bad Batch seems to have just been sent in to wipe out droids. They have repeatedly struggled to keep Omega out of harm's way during missions, and when they were required to split up to retrieve an objective they struggled. Now that the war is over they are being faced with more delicate situations than "kill everything in sight". I think in time they will adapt (and perhaps get Crosshair back), but for now the going is tough.
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The Death Star would clear the planet and the Empire wins. The closest anyone got (besides Luke) to hitting the exhaust port was Red Leader who only grazed it. My guess is Luke joins Han and Chewie in their smuggling trade.
Don't forget a giant problem- their lack of experience in how civilian life and underworld interactions takes place.
They didn't understand the mechanics behind bribery, failed at finding an informant that was standing in front of them and were blind to all the civilian charges they were racking up on Sid's tab such as docking fees and refueling which would have been automatically free to them before defecting. Absolutely none of them ever noticed Omega accidentally stole her doll since it wasn't part of the transaction when selling Echo and Wrecker doesn't carry credits for snack runs.
Hunter even tried selling a bomb to a trader because in his mind that is a totally normal item to have on your ship instead of a dangerous illegal weapon.
It might not sound like that would affect combat prowess but it takes a toll- less gear, less options for extraction or backup, intel is low or nonexistent and the targets you are fighting are going to be using strange or dowright evil tactics instead of battle formations and strategic advancement.
During the slaver fight Tech was actually googling Rancor calming methods and civilian language translations. His search history after each mission must be a mess.
the bad batch is also missing their support since he still has a chip in him, Being down one member can hurt the performance of a group
I’m curious for a follow up now that “Reunion” has aired.
Here's another reason: They feel real. When they lose, we connect, because we lose too in life. All these overpowered protagonists or protagonists with TONS of plot armor never seem to struggle. We see these guys struggle. There's reasonable reasons for their struggle. It feels Real.
#1 rule of D&D:
Never split the party.
Love it!keep making bad batch videos.
I also watched over 10 hours of your videos
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How does order 66 work. A clone could hear the command from a hologram or 50ft a way and still be able to follow the command. Are all the chips linked? How does this work?
Omega is awsome she's just learning like the clones did but on the go
Omega fucking stupid
These clone teams were essentially raised to be a team - loosing one member has a substantial effect on that feeling of teamwork - Omega, however, while currently a drain, will soon become, I think, something of a replacement for Crosshair - you don’t have to be a 7’ tall 300lb beast to be a sniper, after all.
I just assumed that losing Crosshair was like losing a wheel off your car. Ofc that’s gonna make it more difficult.
That and they’re not just fighting dumbass droids anymore
Psychology is probably a big factor. During the war, they were doing what they were made to do and what they trained their entire lives for. Most of all, they had a cause to believe in.
Now they’re on the run, are enemies of their former brothers, have to figure out how to provide for themselves, and are generally as out of their element as they can be with no goal beyond day-to-day survival and no prospect for anything better.
Their lives have been completely uprooted and they’re struggling to figure out what to do with themselves now, which is showing in their lack of focus in battle.
Man they really got to get my boi Echo an arm and maybe he can still have the Jack attachment in his finger like C3PO but still dual wield his DC-17’s like a badass like Rex and Fives I really feel like he got nerfed because maybe not having a arm Irl can be a disadvantage but that really shouldn’t be the case in Star Wars
I kinda hope he gets a retractable jack fitted in a cybernetic hand like Robocop tbh.
Seriously bro
You pretty much summed up most of the reasons. Different tactics than they're used to, losing one of their best members and having to take care of Omega, who I would compare to escort targets in Warframe (not entirely helpless if armed, but they WILL die if you don't protect them well enough and/or complete the mission soon enough), plus having less access to info in general.
Three additional theories:
1. *They're over-specialized.* When fighting Separatist battle droids, they are like a finely tuned supercar - but they're _so_ hyper-focused for that purpose that they're out of their element when facing anyone else. People talk about real-world military theory as "generals gearing up to fight the last war", when some new development or tactical approach ends up making the Old Guard look antiquated, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if the Bad Batch's special mutations make them a living example of that. It's also worth noting that Captain Rex and his crew didn't seem to have much trouble with new or unexpected things he was never trained for, like fighting Stormtroopers or giant alien spiders.
2. *They're getting old.* Clones age at least twice as fast as normal humans, particularly given how much abuse they take in combat. Sure, they're tough and bounce back from injuries well, but infantry who've been in service for a while often consider things like tylenol the same way civilians think of candy. The Bad Batch has been on continuous deployments for years by this point; this would be a decade or more of not just active duty, but active combat. It's a wonder their knees don't sound like pepper grinders. Even without that, the clones were designed to be physically stable and finely balanced, while the Bad Batch were literal mutants whose genetics just happened to yield useful abilities. It wouldn't surprise me at all if their physical conditions are deteriorating a lot faster than normal, even for clones - especially since, again, we see Rex in Rebels just a couple years later, and he's the first to admit he's getting a bit rusty and creaky.
3. *Bad writing.* It's early stages yet, but Omega seems to be saving the Batch an awful lot. The Phoenix Cell in Rebels had a wide-eyed kid in tow too, but it wasn't until the 2nd or 3rd season before Ezra really started pulling his weight. Until that point, he wasn't bad, and things usually worked out all right, but he caused at least as much trouble as he solved - not to mention how his presence painted a target on Phoenix Cell by itself. We'll have to see what happens, but the Bad Batch currently seem to exist in large part to let Omega save them. Hopefully they'll get to do their own impressive things.
You covered most of the points I would raise. Every gamer knows how annoying Escort and Hostage missions are, and living with Omega is one prolonged version of that. Their team is extremely dependent on each individual's skills and the only one I think they could function without is Echo because he's the newest and doesn't really bring much to the table that Tech can't do with tools, so arguably Crosshair is their greatest possible loss- and now Hunter is sidelined a bit as well. I think you could have made more of your point about losing the information and resource backing of the entire GAR. They have only been in operation for 3 years at the longest and they have depended on the GAR for mission info, planet info, weapon and survival supplies, fuel. They have no consistent resources except their deteriorating ship, the gear they had with them, and their skills. And eventually that ship and their gear is likely to be damaged beyond repair, replacements just won't be the same. This is what they are supposed to be facing, they are gradually losing more and more of the things that made them successful to begin with.
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shows how badly the clones relayed on the Jedi for the initiative, even figuring out who was Cid, when she was right in front of them, their like children having to deal with a adults world with out the safety net of the Jedi and republic
I think because OMEEEEGAAH makes them have to change their strats. For example Tik and Recka have to explain more what they are doing and Huntaah has to babysit her. Eeeeekooo idk
I think people overlook how much of a factor the giant lizard played in the battle with the slavers. Bad Batch had no reason to believe at the time that there would be a creature like that there or that it was even the pet of the slavers. The thing was able to go toe to toe with a baby rancor for a time and was clearly intelligent. After they get rescued by Omega they actually fight fairly well, it was the surprise attack by the lizard that messed things up there.
I get being child friendly but it's getting ridiculous. I want bad guy body counts. Not impressed with BB's work apart from the fight on Kaller.
Because one is a troop transports armor plating and the other is personal body armor made to protect against frag.
@@nch2004 I was referring to it. Batch using stun bolts on the scavengers, going out of their way again to not have the good guys hurt anyone. Bad guys can commit war crimes but They aren't even allowed to slay a diagnoga.
Feels forced.
@@slicerneons3300 Yeah but later in the same episode we see Hunter having zero hesitation when killing clones on the artillery deck. Once the cannon fires he starts firing actual bolts into the clones, not stun bolts.
@@nch2004 Which bugs me for a different reason. They have yet to address the psycholohical toll of Clines having to fight & kill each other. Killing your own brothers has severe ramifications.
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Spoiler alert
Cad bane is boss
I think being down the overwatch is a pretty big contributing factor and as omega get more proficient with the energy bow she will start to fill in this whole in the team, especially with omega being more perceptive then the rest.
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That is if they can get omega back from cade bane.
Oof and second 🥈because plot armor plus aren't as good as 21st century Special Forces/Special Operations Forces units from Earth🌎🌍!🤣
They should give Echo a prosthetic arm which he can put on and off, when he needs his other arm to get into computer systems and all that. With a second hand, he could become the ARC trooper that he once was.
The bad batch? more like the… not good batch?
+1 to the removal of crosshair explaining the bad batch's sucky win rate. It's a lot easier to go crazy in battle when you have a dude in the backline always watching your back.
Can't forget that with the slavers, there was the monster and in the tactical droid mission, they had to deal with the sisters which complicated everything
Tbh, crosshair looked like Dengar from empire strikes back
It's the difference between actual warfare and fighting random skirmishes. One is coordinated, has clear objectives, and has logistic support and resources. Meanwhile the other has ever-changing variables, circumstances, no back up, AND perhaps most crucially... They aren't fighting poorly programmed battle droids anymore.
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There's also a morale factor as well - the goal of the Grand Army was always the defeat of the CIS, but there wasn't much thought as to what would become of the clones after that. Now the group is actively being hunted and on the run from the organization that created them, and none of them are certain about their place in the galaxy anymore; that would place anyone on the back foot.
I noticed this too and I'm glad someone addressed it. They went from total killers, to pathetic and incompetent. It will change, but better happen sooner than later.
As I see it the reasons are:
1. fighting new previously unknown enemies (Zygerrians, security droids, bounty hunters, Stormtroopers) after years of fighting the same models of CIS' battle droids
2. Crosshair who was part of the original lineup is gone
3. lack of support from GAR
4. squad members have a lot on their mind meaning they can't focus just on combat
5. necessity to protect Omega
Theres also the problem of unexpected complications. The slavers pet dragon, the Martinz sisters, or Fennec turning up generally aren't factored into their strategies.
I think it’s the inhibitor chips because in the newest episode they are against clones most likely one of their biggest challenges and they make it out alive
This series wants to show that they are vulnerable too just like any of us. This type of story/writing will make them more relatable.
Its obvious that the security droids have a Commando Droid body, which possibly makes it the same as fighting a whole squad of commando droids.
In my opinion the most important members of the bad batch are Crosshair and Tech. Now I don't say that because I like them. Crosshair is the eye in the field and Tech can make the plans to escape. For example if it wasn't for Tech in the engine then the Bad Batch would have been burned alive. If Wrecker turned instead of Crosshair then the damage wouldn't be too big because Wrecker has to get close to the members but until he goes close then Crosshair would have shot him 100 times already. And last because of Omega
That same rancor was the same one that was under Jabba’s palace in Return of the Jedi.
Without Crosshair they have to chang their whole battle plans and have no support from the Republic or empire. Great video
I think you broke it all down correctly. great video.
I think my biggest issue with the battles is that ever so often, they only survive because of the enemies being incredibly useless. The first battle against droids is especially frustrating. The droids have sooooo many good shot opportunities. Literally seconds of just raising your weapon and pulling the trigger.
I think part of the reason why the Bad Batch keep losing is because they’re on the run. Come to think about it, the Bad Batch, nor any active clone in the GAR has ever had to worry about food, ammunition, or facilities, because the Republic took care of those things during the war.
I mean during the war they could head back to Kamino and resupply, restock, and refuel no problem, while also getting some much needed R&R. But now that they’re fugitives, they have to spend more time and more energy worrying about how to pay for their rations and ammo, not to mention trying to pay Sid off. All of this time working could’ve been used to get some R&R, which I’d imagine greatly improves the efficiency of a unit. Also, they’ve spent so much time working jobs that they haven’t been able to train so that they could compensate for Crosshairs’ absence.
I like all of those theories, but I think what 's most significant is that CF99 is no longer on a military mission, yet they often behave like they still are. They are used to using force to achieve their goals, and that is not very practical when you want to stay hidden, as it attracts a lot of attention. Especially in a militarized surveillance state, even their impressive combat abilities will not protect them from being overrun if they don't become more stealthy, and Wrecker will have the biggest issue in that department
"Oh you're no longer working for the Jedi? We'll just be removing your Plot Armor, now."
Another biggest flaw when they fight Cross-hair, is he knows their tactics. They haven't adjusted for that, they still think of the standard tactics the Regs would have been using & not adjusting knowing that they are fighting one of their own. When they know he is in the area, they have to adjust in a new way to counter his knowledge of their team work.
Also while losing one of their team, they now have Omega in the mix. She is not up to speed on their tactics & also currently less able to go all out. So they have to hold back on their skills at times with the add task of protecting her at the same time. It adds a little distraction & chaos to what they need to do.
They aren't fighting clankers anymore, they lost Crosshair, they have to gather precisely all their information on the ground themselves vs getting a wealth of knowledge on potential threats and the layout of the terrain or facility prior to landing via a briefing.
If Cid warms up to them a bit more and begins to give them more info on a mission than "you need to get this item from this location," and not actively withholding key details on the jobs she's sending them on, it's possible they'll be able to get back on their feet fighting more like they used to.
Well I ain't no tactics expert but that's a good thought though loosing a member of a team is a hard thing to coupe with especially if you need that person to successfully complete it
You should make a video about the clone sixes, the one that slaped dooku and had the most confirmed droid kills.
The Clone Force 99 is a specialized unit. When you ask soldiers who are artillery to convert to being tankers, there is going to be a learning curve. They will not be as effective as they would be as artillery.
I think that Crosshair's absence is a big issue with why the rest struggle. I would say they are still highly effective but less so without Crosshair.😉👍✨
Yeah it makes sense that Crosshair is the reason theyre so not efficient, which is why i beilieve the writers took him out of the picture. Not only did it create a rift among comrades in arms but it also neefed the Bad Batch so that way there could be a story to tell from one episode to the next. Otherwise it would just be the Bad Batch wrecking the hell out of all of their adversaries and it would be obvious they would win every single time. Still they can get the job done despite this handicap.
There is another issue that he didn't bring up and that is the presence of Omega. Though she has been helpful, she is a liablity in combat given her inexperience. Given the trouble she tends to find herself in, Clone Force 99 finds themselves having to break rank to help her far more than they would have to. Something that isn't helped by the absence of Crosshair. He'd actually be the ideal person to pair her with as she could act as his spotter while he shoots.
Just sayin, a retired Rex doesn't have much trouble fighting Stormtroopers.
At this point in time the vast majority of stormtroopers are still clones.
The security droids remind me of commando droids. they actually use the weapon sights, there posture is the same. I just figured that they were of a similar make. Remember, Commando droids gave both clones and Jedi a hard time.
It's probably a bit late on my part however in the latest episode when they had someone to draw attention and someone to lead their firepower they were able to accomplish there mission with little issue.
This episode in fact confirm that Crosshair was crucial part of the team, because he in fact is capable to outmaneuver whole squad.
They have no backing, they have to babysit omega, the shift in enemy variety went from 0 to 100, and they have to be extra quiet since they're on the lam
Great vid GenTech! I think the main reason is poor intel. Since they nolonger have the support of the GAR's intelligence network all they have is what Cid tells them. Also as you noted, no Crosshair hurts the squad as well.
I would like to know why Echo seems so helpless. I get it, the dude had it rough but I would think an arc trooper wouldnt perform as bad as what he is shown. The other members of clone force 99 have to save him quite often.
Did Echo even remove his inhibitor chip? We never saw him go into the machine or have a patch on his head...
It looks like his computer brain is about where the chip would be
It probably got fucked in the Citadel explosion. That or if it was still intact, the experiments from the Separatists definitely did it in