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Not in the same page this time ! If he wants to be paid, ok let’s give him 100M$ / year. Now he wants 65bln $ + the increase of stock if any. It is too much it is insane !! I would prefer another CEO. Elon has so many companies I am not sure he is working as hard as you say for Tesla now.
@@CouchInvestor hmm yes in a sense you are right. But if it was so important to him to have a high percentage of Tesla why did it sell his stake ? He could have sold one of his private company ? So basically he asked Tesla shareholders to pay for Twitter. The question I am wondering: is he still working for Tesla really ? That scares me a bit
Honest question: is there any reason for Elon Musk to not simply immediately resign and sue Tesla for the monetary value of what his compensation plan would be, immediately proving the previous plan to be required for him to stay on, proving that the judge was wrong on determining that said plan wouldn't be required to keep Elon Musk on, and for Elon to immediately cash out on the value of Tesla shares even if it means completely bankrupting Tesla in the process? Yes Musk would be unlikely to reclaim full value of shares, but it could still be more than if he could only sell a fraction of his shares at a time.
I hope they give Elon the right compensation package and he returns with his own special zeal & vision that I feel only Elon has to knock it out the park for the next 10 to 15 years and make Tesla the worlds greatest AI & disruptive technology company ever.
@@CouchInvestorI don’t think they need Elon for anything but pumping the stock price. If that’s worth billions of dollars to the shareholders okay. But I think keeping Elon at such a high cost is not in the best long term interest of Tesla.
But recall the share price of Tesla is over 10 times it was. is it worth dropping the value of Tesla by 5-10x it's current value to save 56 bil? @@singed8853
@@CouchInvestor how long do we think the Delaware case could take to resolve? Do we think Tesla and the board have enough power to force a decision at the Delaware state level? In the meantime, shareholders are left, confused, causing the stock continued to drop or trade sideways, potentially months or years until that’s resolved.
Its not that he is working for free, its that he is achieving without recognition, greedy and jealous minded investors like Gerber absorb the created value of the last two years and say that was just fiduciary duty!!! Its not. So I think the the terms of the compensation plan need to documented now. Say in the extreme, if the deal is not done for another year, can the development of the compact car be considered a forward looking target?? If not then that value in his compensation plan has been lost to him.... And thus yes, under those circumstance he would have been working for free. Likewise Optimus. 2 years he was a laughing stock. Today its real. Should that change in risk /uncertainty be recognised, or rather will it. I think thos is overdue, get the deal done.
i hope it will all work out tbh if not ill just revisit my tesla stock in few years years from now somehow i doubt that holding it 5 years could possibly make me lose anymoney so its fine. as for the subject personally i only see a good news here? maybe im dumb and dont understand anything... but my approach is.. when he hold as little as 15% shares what motivation could he possibly have ? esp when he could easily make new company and take all credit and profit. . allowing him more shares and more reward for his work will only motivate him to stay with the company and make it grow as it will benefit him aswell.. . no one is going to work his ass out or make something crazy good like AI leader compoany just for someone else to take the profit on it..
@@CouchInvestor yes i mean it sucks that when i entered the stock went down 20% over basically nothing.. but right now i feel like just double my holding on tesla when it drop under 200 and leave it be for a year or two so that i wont get negative. Either way looking forward our tesla weekly ^^
Alphabet was created so that there would be new tiers of voting and non-voting shares, so it may still be possible to do this post IPO at TSLA. I'd be ok with Elon being paid very highly, even another 12% with targets, however like you, I wouldn't want him to have too much control over AI. His tweets have been more and more devisive over the past couple years, and trending in the wrong direction.
Alphabet was also created because they wanted to protect Google from being targeted by Anti Trust lawsuits. It might need to be done with Tesla as well, as they grow
A click bait title and video. Elon Musk and tesla are Synonymous. The market cap will fall flat, and so will the execution at the current scale without Elon. @Fool editors - I thought you did better than this.
This explains the melancholy mood he was in at earnings amongst high interest rates and others. I would be extremely disappointed at Elon if he doesn’t get what he wants and decides to leave. Us tesla investors believe in him. We didn’t decide to invest in tesla bc we think it’s just a car company. Tesla’s current market valuation is not valued as a car company. If he leaves, Tesla market cap will drop 50% and many people who believe in him would get hurt. I’m quite torn. In one hand, he’s a free man. In the other hand, he owes it to his shareholders and supporters bc he gives us so much hope for the future. I think this is not a nothing burger bc it involves with a vast amount of $. It can get very complicated. Here’s hoping for the best.
Issue is while you believe in Tesla, if the ruling goes through, it means that sufficient control of Tesla does not believe in him. Why should he then continue working for Tesla, instead of any number of projects where he has better relations with?
well if he leaves then what are his many millions of shares worth? if he works hard and stays on with Tesla, share price goes up, he gets a top spot on the richest persons list and I'm guessing that's exactly where he wants to be. He won't want to leave. 1. Don't see him leaving and holding his shares for someone else to run the company and see what happens with the price 5-10 years on... 2. Dont see him leaving and selling his shares at current levels 3. I see him threatening to leave but staying on and working his ass off to increase value for himself (and shareholders)
I'm pretty sure Elon is holding Tesla back with all his twitter BS. Let him leave. He can become another Trump boot licker. All I want is Tesla to perform without the narcisst BS.
Exactly. The guy served his purpose to get them where they are at, but is now a toxic nightmare for the brand and the company. The interview the two lead VPs did with Jay Leno showed how they can keep going with great stuff without the idiot that wears a cowboy hat backwards at the the Texas border and offering half of Ukraine to Putin. Cybertruck is great, but no way me or anybody I know will buy another Tesla until the board dumps him. Look at Apple after toxic a-hole Jobs passed away. Tim Cook manages a great company and there's no self-declared RoboWarlord saying people have to come in while he "runs" 5 companies magically while on twitter all day.
You mean the guy that gave Ukraine Starlink for free? And Tim Cook who invested more in China than the US? Yeah... I see what type of person you are@@ZenEndurance
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Not in the same page this time !
If he wants to be paid, ok let’s give him 100M$ / year.
Now he wants 65bln $ + the increase of stock if any. It is too much it is insane !!
I would prefer another CEO. Elon has so many companies I am not sure he is working as hard as you say for Tesla now.
Why is it insane if you the shareholder benefit from it?
@@CouchInvestor hmm yes in a sense you are right. But if it was so important to him to have a high percentage of Tesla why did it sell his stake ? He could have sold one of his private company ? So basically he asked Tesla shareholders to pay for Twitter. The question I am wondering: is he still working for Tesla really ? That scares me a bit
Would be a massive blow to Tesla and the thesis. Hope not
Agreed
Honest question: is there any reason for Elon Musk to not simply immediately resign and sue Tesla for the monetary value of what his compensation plan would be, immediately proving the previous plan to be required for him to stay on, proving that the judge was wrong on determining that said plan wouldn't be required to keep Elon Musk on, and for Elon to immediately cash out on the value of Tesla shares even if it means completely bankrupting Tesla in the process? Yes Musk would be unlikely to reclaim full value of shares, but it could still be more than if he could only sell a fraction of his shares at a time.
It would hurt the shareholders and his image
I hope they give Elon the right compensation package and he returns with his own special zeal & vision that I feel only Elon has to knock it out the park for the next 10 to 15 years and make Tesla the worlds greatest AI & disruptive technology company ever.
Yess
err yeah okay i hope so too. But going to diversify just in case
I personally hope he's on the way out. I think he's too distracted by other ventures and interests to be the leader Tesla needs.
Is he? What is the business not doing currently?
@@CouchInvestorI don’t think they need Elon for anything but pumping the stock price. If that’s worth billions of dollars to the shareholders okay. But I think keeping Elon at such a high cost is not in the best long term interest of Tesla.
But recall the share price of Tesla is over 10 times it was. is it worth dropping the value of Tesla by 5-10x it's current value to save 56 bil? @@singed8853
If Elon is given a new compensation package, then everyone wins including the shareholders. Just propose one to him. How long would this take?
Until the lawsuit is over
@@CouchInvestor how long do we think the Delaware case could take to resolve? Do we think Tesla and the board have enough power to force a decision at the Delaware state level? In the meantime, shareholders are left, confused, causing the stock continued to drop or trade sideways, potentially months or years until that’s resolved.
Its not that he is working for free, its that he is achieving without recognition, greedy and jealous minded investors like Gerber absorb the created value of the last two years and say that was just fiduciary duty!!! Its not. So I think the the terms of the compensation plan need to documented now. Say in the extreme, if the deal is not done for another year, can the development of the compact car be considered a forward looking target?? If not then that value in his compensation plan has been lost to him.... And thus yes, under those circumstance he would have been working for free. Likewise Optimus. 2 years he was a laughing stock. Today its real. Should that change in risk /uncertainty be recognised, or rather will it. I think thos is overdue, get the deal done.
The deal can't be done until the Delaware case is decided tho.
Yuo are more concer about "the compensation of the ceo" than the products that this company produce.This is a red flag
If you understand how important it is, you would be as well
i hope it will all work out tbh if not ill just revisit my tesla stock in few years years from now somehow i doubt that holding it 5 years could possibly make me lose anymoney so its fine.
as for the subject personally i only see a good news here? maybe im dumb and dont understand anything... but my approach is.. when he hold as little as 15% shares what motivation could he possibly have ? esp when he could easily make new company and take all credit and profit. . allowing him more shares and more reward for his work will only motivate him to stay with the company and make it grow as it will benefit him aswell.. . no one is going to work his ass out or make something crazy good like AI leader compoany just for someone else to take the profit on it..
Yes, this whole thing got blown out of proportions. A new plan is good for him, Tesla and us
@@CouchInvestor yes i mean it sucks that when i entered the stock went down 20% over basically nothing.. but right now i feel like just double my holding on tesla when it drop under 200 and leave it be for a year or two so that i wont get negative.
Either way looking forward our tesla weekly ^^
Alphabet was created so that there would be new tiers of voting and non-voting shares, so it may still be possible to do this post IPO at TSLA.
I'd be ok with Elon being paid very highly, even another 12% with targets, however like you, I wouldn't want him to have too much control over AI. His tweets have been more and more devisive over the past couple years, and trending in the wrong direction.
Alphabet was also created because they wanted to protect Google from being targeted by Anti Trust lawsuits. It might need to be done with Tesla as well, as they grow
Found another Elon musk Fan boy.
You didn't like the facts? Oooh what a shame
A click bait title and video. Elon Musk and tesla are Synonymous. The market cap will fall flat, and so will the execution at the current scale without Elon. @Fool editors - I thought you did better than this.
Do you only read titles?
This explains the melancholy mood he was in at earnings amongst high interest rates and others. I would be extremely disappointed at Elon if he doesn’t get what he wants and decides to leave. Us tesla investors believe in him. We didn’t decide to invest in tesla bc we think it’s just a car company. Tesla’s current market valuation is not valued as a car company. If he leaves, Tesla market cap will drop 50% and many people who believe in him would get hurt. I’m quite torn. In one hand, he’s a free man. In the other hand, he owes it to his shareholders and supporters bc he gives us so much hope for the future.
I think this is not a nothing burger bc it involves with a vast amount of $. It can get very complicated. Here’s hoping for the best.
I guess it will be decided after the Delaware lawsuit. I agree that if he leaves, the stock will crash
Issue is while you believe in Tesla, if the ruling goes through, it means that sufficient control of Tesla does not believe in him. Why should he then continue working for Tesla, instead of any number of projects where he has better relations with?
well if he leaves then what are his many millions of shares worth? if he works hard and stays on with Tesla, share price goes up, he gets a top spot on the richest persons list and I'm guessing that's exactly where he wants to be. He won't want to leave.
1. Don't see him leaving and holding his shares for someone else to run the company and see what happens with the price 5-10 years on...
2. Dont see him leaving and selling his shares at current levels
3. I see him threatening to leave but staying on and working his ass off to increase value for himself (and shareholders)
I'm pretty sure Elon is holding Tesla back with all his twitter BS. Let him leave. He can become another Trump boot licker. All I want is Tesla to perform without the narcisst BS.
Exactly. The guy served his purpose to get them where they are at, but is now a toxic nightmare for the brand and the company. The interview the two lead VPs did with Jay Leno showed how they can keep going with great stuff without the idiot that wears a cowboy hat backwards at the the Texas border and offering half of Ukraine to Putin. Cybertruck is great, but no way me or anybody I know will buy another Tesla until the board dumps him. Look at Apple after toxic a-hole Jobs passed away. Tim Cook manages a great company and there's no self-declared RoboWarlord saying people have to come in while he "runs" 5 companies magically while on twitter all day.
I guess you're one that enjoys all the problems that we're having these past 3 years..
Sell TSLA if you don't like Elon.
You mean the guy that gave Ukraine Starlink for free? And Tim Cook who invested more in China than the US? Yeah... I see what type of person you are@@ZenEndurance
VERY
Always thought he was a bit of a dick to be honest - an arriviste. Interesting video though thank you.
But he is brilliant
Yes he is. Absolutely. @@CouchInvestor
Rooooooooob
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If you think its greed then you are projecting.
Stop focusing on the thumbnail and listen to what I said in the video