After Joe, Valerie gained a lot of weight, had bad hair, and they also started dressing her in bulky tent like outfits to hide the weight, and stopped with the hippie head scarves. I think the stories ignored it when Julie had lost a lot of weight but it was Brenda who found a man. Rhoda was actually bigger w/ low confidence but Brenda was still the fat underdog character.
Valerie Harper as Rhoda was always putting herself down and considering herself an ugly duckling when actually she was and still is a beautiful woman. On MTM it was always played that Mary was the more attractive but in actuality they were equally beautiful.
By today's standards Valerie Harper would be condidered hot by guys. Mary would be considered pretty. Early Mar's look was "in" & Rhoda's was not. VH just stunning in seventies. JMHO
As a teen boy in the 70s, I always thought Rhoda was much prettier than Mary. Nothing against Mary, but Rhoda had fantastic cheekbones and was much curvier than Mary.
I have only started watching this show recently, I was born in 1988 so this show was before my time, I checked this out and Mary Tyler Moore. I have to be honest and say I’m not a big fan of Mary Tyler Moore but i have absolutely fallen head over heals for Rhoda. I love her character. She is so pretty and funny and fashionable. I watched this show as I am a fan of The Golden Girls and I wanted to see Nancy Walker (Aunt Angela in GG) in something different. I just love this show so much, and as I am recently separated I enjoyed this show from Season 3 onwards, as I wanted to watch a show I could connect to. Being honest I prefer seeing Rhoda on her own. I think Joe isn’t good enough for her. I love love love Brenda. When I realized she was Marge Simpson I thought that was the coolest thing ever. And Carlton the Doprman actually being Garfield the Cat. It’s crazy to me. I know this is an Essay, I just wanted to share my story, I became a fan of Ms Valerie Harper after her death. She really made a special print on this earth and I hope she is resting in heaven with all the people she loved ❤️
Agree - I won’t keep or watch season 2 Joe was sexy but the marriage eps are boring Writers figured that out quick and then had to kill the marriage. Some viewers never came back.
@@immaturephotographer me too, never liked Joe his kid or ex wife...or the people in his circle, Rhoda's show got stupid at the end with the dumb girl in the costume shop ..my op...loved the eps w johnny ron, ida and pop..and a few w anne m and myrna..
Joe was a terrible person. He kept pretending like he was being understanding and supportive.... taking time apart so they could "work out their issues", but it was always used so he didn't have to deal with his issues.
if these characters were real, i cannot imagine any man who wouldnt love to be loved by both Brenda and Rhoda! how "Joe" could ever leave her is beyond me...
@@tracycampbell3060 awww Tracy i am sorry, for a kid or even an adult that is just so hard. i hated it in the show cuz it is a comedy, divorce is not funny. i really hated it. made me not such a big fan, as i am sure it did to many....loved it when Mary came to visit! always surprised that she kept her cool and never hauled off and let Phyllis have it across the chops! :) wish i had had a sister like Brenda. she was such a doll. i just watched an episodeof Taxi on youtube where she fell for Jim Ignatowski. great episode, and she was sort of Brendaish. sweet and funny. LOL
@@gwenniegirl50 yes but i am preety sure the divorcemade ratings start to go down. the divorce one and a few after it may have been good cuz people are nosey. but after that she changed her look, and the whole attitude of the show changed. not for the best :(
Big seamstress in the 70’s of my own clothes and I swear I made a vest exactly like Rhoda’s w those ties and binding around the edges. It took me an entire weekend for that stitching. Not easy even though the pattern was supposed to be simple and “quick”.
The producers of this show really messed up by introducing the "Joe" character, who looked and acted more like a mafia thug than "Mr. Right" for Rhoda. They should have simply let Rhoda be single woman in NY City and ended the show with her marrying a really nice guy :-))
I always thought Rhonda just so push him into getting married. All those things he spoke of. It's lucky she didn't have any children .Maybe she was desperately wanted to get married. She was getting older. 33 is old to get married
The people whom are now in their fifties have lost many of the idols of our youth. Couple that with having lost parents and a sibling, serve as constant reminder that we are entering our autumn years of our lives. AND IT SUCKS!!!!😳🙄🤨😟😱🤮🤢
Everyone wants to point fingers at Joe, but Rhoda was a hot mess. If she really wanted to keep the marriage she really would have to work on her problems and she was not willing to do so. If you noticed when she came to his job he was really friendly and polite to her while she was rude and unwilling to listen to what he was saying to her. He was like we need to work on our problems meaning they both need to work on them.
@@givememore4free Sadly, in real life, neither actor wanted this separation of Joe and Rhoda. They both hated it. But the producers decided they liked single Rhoda better and boy, they could not have been more wrong. All they had to do was look at the ratings for the wedding episode for the answer. David and Valerie remained life-long friends, so it was not a total loss.
Emma, how is it sad when it happens in real life all the time? Neither Joe or Rhoda in real life (David Groh and Valerie Harper) wanted the divorce, in fact in real life these actors adored each other, I really think they even had a thing for each other. The powers that be, however, wanted them split up because they thought Rhoda was funnier single. I can never understand when people talk about this show like it's real life and not a sitcom written by writers!
I wish they hadn't married her in the first place. People fell in love with the kooky funny single Rhoda. I think they realized that after a while. But by then people got used to Joe and having them break up actually kinda hurt, so it was a bad decision all around.
This is probably one of my all time favorite shows. Seen these episodes a million times. But only on VHS. Know there on DVD now but don't really have the cas to buy em all. This is great for me to watch em all again in such good quality. Thanks for postin these. I will be watching them over and over. Valerie Harper rocks!!!!! Thx!
I know. They tried to take her character back to the time in her life when she went on dates with idiots. That was so over even during her Mary Tyler Moore days. It felt really forced and was not funny when they tried to turn her back into that character after the divorce.
Joe is actually worse than a man who can't make a commitment because he makes a commitment and then he either wants out or backs out. He plays an emotional roller coaster with other people's feelings. If I had been Rhoda, I doubt that I would have become involved with him in the first place and if I had and he wanted out, I wouldn't have had any problem whatsoever letting go of him.
And Rhoda thinks the failed relationship is due to her. It isn't due to her at all; it is due to Joe's lack of ability to be steadfast to someone to whom he made a commitment.
The episodes in this seasons might not be as good as the previous two seasons. But thankfully, the entire series is much more entertaining than most of the crap sitcoms they make today.
The male writers made Rhoda look so needy and so desperate when she really should have been furious and done with Joe. They never should have had her marry him in Season 1.
Once season 3 started, with the separation, it's like Rhoda's career just disappeared. What happened to her window dressing businesses? It's like her life just stopped. And Joe keeps saying they can't get together because of those "basic" problems...what problems? Never get to know what the main issue was, other than he "wasn't as happy as he wanted to be".
People complain about the divorce, but looking back, it was a brilliant move. They showed all of these changes in Rhoda's life. It was a real look at being a woman in the 70's. Not what the public wanted but bold for the time.
It was not about the 70s though. They were not meant to be together in the first place. She was more of a hit it and quit it kinda relationship in Joe's eyes. It was not his idea to get married and Rhoda kinda forced it on him. Thank God they didn't have any fictional kids.
@@givememore4free How many episodes did you watch?? She was more of a "hit it and quit it" in Joe'e eyes? Jesus Christ she was not. He married her, didn't he? No one "forces" marriage on anyone else - she wasn't pregnant, so how did she force marriage on him? "Thank God they didn't have any fictional kids." My God, why are you so stupid?
They made a huge MISTAKE when they wrote the separation & divorce. David Groh was a very important piece of the show!! Had he stayed they would have been a top 10 show for 7-10 years!! Show SUCKED without him!!
can i just say how awesome it is to see such a sweet sister relationship that isnt unnecessarily complicated and doesnt have any 'cat fights' shoe-horned in by dumb male producers/writers
Yeah, those dumb males. What did they ever do? I mean, a little math here, a little physics there, some painting, some sculpture, some music. Engineers are vastly overrated apart from putting together the entire infrastructure. But what have they done lately?
I think that the worst thing on earth is to see you ex-partner so at ease and happy at the thought of you moving on, when all you want is to get back together with him. I think that Joe could have been more sensitive.
Desperation is never pretty. It was downright embarrassing watching how Rhoda acted with Joe in this episode. The writers thought Rhoda would be funnier single. Before her marriage, yes she often was but not after her separation. The various episodes such as this where she'd be anxious, sad, & depressed missing Joe were not entertaining. Why would anyone enjoy watching her in emotional pain? On the Mary Tyler Moore Show, yes, she was single & funny. But those were much different circumstances. She wasn't going through misery and pain after being left by a man who made wedding vows to her.
Yolanda this is a sitcom so how is it "downright embarassing?" Do you live your life through television or can you separate the two? Or do you not understand that people are in pain during a divorce? Honey if you are not entertained I have an idea: Stop watching!
One of my favorite shows for seasons 1 & 2 and then during season 3 I stopped watching. I'm 65 and just now catching up! I loved Rhoda and Brenda and Joe! It was so sad that the writers thought it would be a good idea to go with the separation storyline. Don't mess with success!
Success? That marriage did nothing for the comedy in this show. It was as interesting as a doorknob. There were much more comedy opportunities for the character of Rhoda, and for the series, if she was solo.
It just was time to end the marriage. There were no more funny stories about married life for them to do in the Seventies. Plus, Rhoda is a free spirit. She has to spread her wings eventually.
@@josephjoel9199 I disagree. They hadn't even tapped into storylines they could have explored with them being married. I mean plenty of shows have married couples and they find tons of storylines, so I find it hard to believe that after only 2 seasons, they didn't know what else for them to do.
And if you wait for it Ben Stiller's Dad also enters the show. Valerie Harper & Jerry Stiller share one of the best scenes I've ever seen filmed for television. They were both great performers making the scene hilariously amazing.
Okay, so I’m commenting years later than everyone else because I discovered these Rhoda episodes today! I don’t get Joe... why would he just up and leave? And he never discloses his ‘issues.´
It's painful to watch Rhoda try so desperately to make Joe jealous. He comes across as the emotionally bereft former spouse who wants to use his ex for one thing only, when otherwise he's clearly moved, or is in the steady process of moving, on with his life. l never could understand how anyone would want to 'date' an ex; talk about settling for stepping in reverse while the other person moves forward in complete control. Yuk.
He had nothing else to do though. She literally kicked him out of their apartment with nothing and he had to get an apartment right away. She gave him no choice. He had to move on. Put yourself in Joe's shoes you would do the same thing.
givememore4free He wanted time and space to be by himself; he said he wasn't as happy as he wanted to be. Rhoda didn't want him to leave--especially with his belongings--any walking out the door meant forever to her when she really didn't trust the permanence of the marriage anyway. Her character was deeply insecure. I really think this break up was the writers' intent early on, since the foreshadowing of Joe's reticence for marriage is established in Season One.
@Jack Russell, They killed the sitcom by taking it this other way and the declining rating should have told them they made a critical error. I thought they did a poor job with the new characters they introduced too. I never could stand Ann Meara in anything. She did nothing for Archie Bunker's Place either.
It’s sad how Rhoda just hangs on to joe when it’s obvious that he doesn’t want to be with her anymore his actions speak so loud and Rhoda refuses to listen!!!!
@@TanjiSmokesCigars what the hell is your dam problem?seems I’ve hit a nerve,don’t come at me with your personal problem ,it say at the top,add comment. I added a comment about the episode not about you!!!!!!!!
Emily Edwards Agreed....this season is pretty depressing. The jokes fall flat. And it's hard to know why R & J separated, except I guess the producers thought a single Rhoda would draw more viewers...(?)
10:56 I can perfectly understand how Rhoda feels. Only I am...….I can't say how old I am NOW! But I too thought that I too "was out of all this, through with this jungle...."It's bloody awful!!! And I'm not even British.Oh! Sally! This is going to be a long and enduring friendship.
Everyone on this show expects Rhoda to be giddy with happiness...she just got seperated with Joe. I never understood what exactly Joe and Rhoda's problem was. Her poor self-esteem and drama queen behavior were probably some of their issues. Maybe he should have fallen for Brenda.
Funny to remember how we gals would wait by the phone pre cell phones. Today's gals dont know how good they have not being a prisoner at home for a phone that never rings.
I know, right? Writers were so unfair & mean to Brenda...and to women in general. It was all about weight & age & no self confidence. Women's Lib was in full swing, but it was still a man's world back then.
I find it weird that she made the writers say that she is 39 years old because in reality she was 47 and an old looking 47 to boot. I am currently 48 and I look 10 years younger than her even though I have some grey hairs. I guess they had to comply because she was pretty famous at the time.
I never understood Rhoda's attraction to Joe, but that's mainly because nothing about him appeals to me. I don't care how buff a guy is, I absolutely hate skin-tight shirts on men. Joe's shirts always looked like they were on the verge of coming apart at the seams. On a different note, I love the line "I know you won't believe this, but right now I'm cleaning my bathroom bowl."
Dating as. “Gong show”. Hilarious if you recall The Gong Show... Anne Meara, RIP. If anyone wants to see her and Jerry Stiller in their prime, check out Stiller and Meara comedy routine from the 60’s.
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Valerie Harper and Julie Kavner have such good chemistry like if you agree !
Brenda looks great this season. They're finally allowing her to come out of being the frumpy little sister and shine.
She wasn’t fat anymore by season 3
After Joe, Valerie gained a lot of weight, had bad hair, and they also started dressing her in bulky tent like outfits to hide the weight, and stopped with the hippie head scarves. I think the stories ignored it when Julie had lost a lot of weight but it was Brenda who found a man. Rhoda was actually bigger w/ low confidence but Brenda was still the fat underdog character.
I adored Julie Kavner. Such a good supporting actress.
Julie Kavner was a GREAT supporting Actress, and Ron Silver was a REALLY GOOD Supporting Actor. I always thought he was underrated.
Totally, just rewatched the West Wing he is so good
He was a really good actor. I actually think his character Gary Levy was gay…there was lots of subtext there.
Valerie Harper as Rhoda was always putting herself down and considering herself an ugly duckling when actually she was and still is a beautiful woman. On MTM it was always played that Mary was the more attractive but in actuality they were equally beautiful.
By today's standards Valerie Harper would be condidered hot by guys. Mary would be considered pretty. Early Mar's look was "in" & Rhoda's was not. VH just stunning in seventies. JMHO
As a teen boy in the 70s, I always thought Rhoda was much prettier than Mary. Nothing against Mary, but Rhoda had fantastic cheekbones and was much curvier than Mary.
It is not how one looks but how one feels about ones self.
There are some unattractive women who are with the most attractive men And vice versa.
On MTM Valerie was overweight that is why.
I never thought Mary was that exceptional tbh. Valerie was much more stunning
I felt really sorry for Rhoda in this episode. She's slowly facing up to the fact that her marriage is over and Joe's not coming back.
He should have thanked God everyday that she even looked at him
@@grainnegowen5758He was an attractive man
I have only started watching this show recently, I was born in 1988 so this show was before my time, I checked this out and Mary Tyler Moore. I have to be honest and say I’m not a big fan of Mary Tyler Moore but i have absolutely fallen head over heals for Rhoda. I love her character. She is so pretty and funny and fashionable.
I watched this show as I am a fan of The Golden Girls and I wanted to see Nancy Walker (Aunt Angela in GG) in something different. I just love this show so much, and as I am recently separated I enjoyed this show from Season 3 onwards, as I wanted to watch a show I could connect to. Being honest I prefer seeing Rhoda on her own. I think Joe isn’t good enough for her. I love love love Brenda. When I realized she was Marge Simpson I thought that was the coolest thing ever. And Carlton the Doprman actually being Garfield the Cat. It’s crazy to me.
I know this is an Essay, I just wanted to share my story, I became a fan of Ms Valerie Harper after her death. She really made a special print on this earth and I hope she is resting in heaven with all the people she loved ❤️
Well written tribute to Ms. Harper, thank you.
@@g-girl9867 thank you too
Agree - I won’t keep or watch season 2
Joe was sexy but the marriage eps are boring
Writers figured that out quick and then had to kill the marriage. Some viewers never came back.
@@MarkSLanglois that's such a shame. I think it's funnier without Joe. I love all the episodes with Johnny Venture lol
@@immaturephotographer me too, never liked Joe his kid or ex wife...or the people in his circle, Rhoda's show got stupid at the end with the dumb girl in the costume shop ..my op...loved the eps w johnny ron, ida and pop..and a few w anne m and myrna..
Ron Silver was superb
What a sweetheart Brenda is. A perfect sister, and a perfect friend.
She is so lovely and genuine
I love this episode. It’s nice to see sisters getting along.
Joe was a terrible person. He kept pretending like he was being understanding and supportive.... taking time apart so they could "work out their issues", but it was always used so he didn't have to deal with his issues.
if these characters were real, i cannot imagine any man who wouldnt love to be loved by both Brenda and Rhoda! how "Joe" could ever leave her is beyond me...
I agree. Sadly in Television World makes other plans to get ratings, etc.
I hate that they separated. My parents separated the same year
@@tracycampbell3060 awww Tracy i am sorry, for a kid or even an adult that is just so hard. i hated it in the show cuz it is a comedy, divorce is not funny. i really hated it. made me not such a big fan, as i am sure it did to many....loved it when Mary came to visit! always surprised that she kept her cool and never hauled off and let Phyllis have it across the chops! :) wish i had had a sister like Brenda. she was such a doll. i just watched an episodeof Taxi on youtube where she fell for Jim Ignatowski. great episode, and she was sort of Brendaish. sweet and funny. LOL
@@gwenniegirl50 yes but i am preety sure the divorcemade ratings start to go down. the divorce one and a few after it may have been good cuz people are nosey. but after that she changed her look, and the whole attitude of the show changed. not for the best :(
@@hippychic7546 do you know the title of that taxi episode? I would love to see that
Such a great show, great cast, great writing, great direction. RIP Ron Silver
Oh did he pass😢
Big seamstress in the 70’s of my own clothes and I swear I made a vest exactly like Rhoda’s w those ties and binding around the edges. It took me an entire weekend for that stitching. Not easy even though the pattern was supposed to be simple and “quick”.
Simplicity patterns were the best!
One thing I don’t miss about being young is waiting for some guy to call.
One thing I don't miss about being young is that I knew nobody would call me, and if I called somebody they might turn me down.
@@ericminch☹️
The producers of this show really messed up by introducing the "Joe" character, who looked and acted more like a mafia thug than "Mr. Right" for Rhoda. They should have simply let Rhoda be single woman in NY City and ended the show with her marrying a really nice guy :-))
I didn't like him either.
I always thought Rhonda just so push him into getting married. All those things he spoke of. It's lucky she didn't have any children .Maybe she was desperately wanted to get married. She was getting older. 33 is old to get married
Rhoda jumped at the first man she met
This!
Joe was so Right!! Should Not Have Split Them Up.
The world is a little bit poorer with the loss of Anne Meara. RIP.
I have to agree with you....she was one classy lady!!
The people whom are now in their fifties have lost many of the idols of our youth. Couple that with having lost parents and a sibling, serve as constant reminder that we are entering our autumn years of our lives. AND IT SUCKS!!!!😳🙄🤨😟😱🤮🤢
It's sad that Rhoda keeps hanging on when clearly joe has moved on,he didn't want to get married to begin with!!
Everyone wants to point fingers at Joe, but Rhoda was a hot mess. If she really wanted to keep the marriage she really would have to work on her problems and she was not willing to do so. If you noticed when she came to his job he was really friendly and polite to her while she was rude and unwilling to listen to what he was saying to her. He was like we need to work on our problems meaning they both need to work on them.
Joe should had told her in the first place he didn’t want to get merrierd
@@favorite3932 he did actually S1E1
@@givememore4free Sadly, in real life, neither actor wanted this separation of Joe and Rhoda. They both hated it. But the producers decided they liked single Rhoda better and boy, they could not have been more wrong. All they had to do was look at the ratings for the wedding episode for the answer. David and Valerie remained life-long friends, so it was not a total loss.
Emma, how is it sad when it happens in real life all the time? Neither Joe or Rhoda in real life (David Groh and Valerie Harper) wanted the divorce, in fact in real life these actors adored each other, I really think they even had a thing for each other. The powers that be, however, wanted them split up because they thought Rhoda was funnier single. I can never understand when people talk about this show like it's real life and not a sitcom written by writers!
I love when Brenda comes out in that swim cap 🤣🤣🤣
Anne Meara was AWESOME!!
I can't believe they broke up a marriage to have 3 single people marathon dating and complaining about it. They should have broke up the writers.
I wish they hadn't married her in the first place. People fell in love with the kooky funny single Rhoda. I think they realized that after a while. But by then people got used to Joe and having them break up actually kinda hurt, so it was a bad decision all around.
I think that the whole series is perfect as it is.
Loved this show! Still do ♥️
God bless Anne Meara...one of a kind! Such a tart tongue! RIP
This is probably one of my all time favorite shows. Seen these episodes a million times. But only on VHS. Know there on DVD now but don't really have the cas to buy em all. This is great for me to watch em all again in such good quality. Thanks for postin these. I will be watching them over and over. Valerie Harper rocks!!!!! Thx!
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Love this episode! it's so funny hahaha. thanks for uploading this video..
I liked this episode. It was true to life. You just don't go somewhere and everything suddenly magically works out.
Mary Tyler Moore was inspirational but not reality
I know. They tried to take her character back to the time in her life when she went on dates with idiots. That was so over even during her Mary Tyler Moore days. It felt really forced and was not funny when they tried to turn her back into that character after the divorce.
Seriously?? Omg how can you not get the humor in this??
MTM a Bonanza for CBS. Its own printing press. 🔥
The great Anne Meara. One of the funniest comediennes whatever part she played including her early stage performances with husband Jerry Stiller.
i like her better solo, the husband wife, yin and yan bit is overdone...
She was great on Archie Bunker's Place
"Ramon said 'schelpp'?" I love it.
"I care for you " harsh so cold
I just love Brenda!😂 RIP Anne! My birthday twin!😭😭😭😭
Joe is actually worse than a man who can't make a commitment because he makes a commitment and then he either wants out or backs out. He plays an emotional roller coaster with other people's feelings. If I had been Rhoda, I doubt that I would have become involved with him in the first place and if I had and he wanted out, I wouldn't have had any problem whatsoever letting go of him.
And Rhoda thinks the failed relationship is due to her. It isn't due to her at all; it is due to Joe's lack of ability to be steadfast to someone to whom he made a commitment.
The episodes in this seasons might not be as good as the previous two seasons. But thankfully, the entire series is much more entertaining than most of the crap sitcoms they make today.
CaptainGrimsdale Amen to that dude.
Amen again.
I disagree. I think that all 110 episodes of Rhoda are perfection.
Casper Rae - I loved all of the shows ❤️
I think this episode is gold. In fact, all of her shows are awesome. Period.
The male writers made Rhoda look so needy and so desperate when she really should have been furious and done with Joe. They never should have had her marry him in Season 1.
Once season 3 started, with the separation, it's like Rhoda's career just disappeared. What happened to her window dressing businesses? It's like her life just stopped. And Joe keeps saying they can't get together because of those "basic" problems...what problems? Never get to know what the main issue was, other than he "wasn't as happy as he wanted to be".
Rhonda was always funny. Brenda got looking better as show goes on. She loses weight they give her nicer clothes. She was very taller.
omg, look at those extras dancing lol.
R.I.P. Valerie Harper!!
People complain about the divorce, but looking back, it was a brilliant move. They showed all of these changes in Rhoda's life. It was a real look at being a woman in the 70's. Not what the public wanted but bold for the time.
I agree. And it hadn't been done before.
It was not about the 70s though. They were not meant to be together in the first place. She was more of a hit it and quit it kinda relationship in Joe's eyes. It was not his idea to get married and Rhoda kinda forced it on him. Thank God they didn't have any fictional kids.
She was to damn needy and insecure for Joe.
@@givememore4free How many episodes did you watch?? She was more of a "hit it and quit it" in Joe'e eyes? Jesus Christ she was not. He married her, didn't he? No one "forces" marriage on anyone else - she wasn't pregnant, so how did she force marriage on him? "Thank God they didn't have any fictional kids." My God, why are you so stupid?
@@jennifersykes8387 you miss the entire point so maybe you just shouldn't watch the show, you dolt.
The game show host and the Dr. in the guinea pigs episode on Laverne and Shirley was the tennis creep in short pants...
RIP Valeria Harper brilliant talent next to Bea Arthur Lucille Ball and of course Carol Burnett
Thank you for posting these.
I didn't know Joe Grol who play Rhoda husband. He died of cancer. It so sad the only left is Brenda and The guy whoi play Benny Goodman
I love it!!!
It's very sad. She had another TV show. They push out. They said that she was too old. She sue them a got a bunch of money back.
They made a huge MISTAKE when they wrote the separation & divorce. David Groh was a very important piece of the show!! Had he stayed they would have been a top 10 show for 7-10 years!! Show SUCKED without him!!
can i just say how awesome it is to see such a sweet sister relationship that isnt unnecessarily complicated and doesnt have any 'cat fights' shoe-horned in by dumb male producers/writers
These 'dumb male producers/writers worked for a company run by a woman. I see your point.
Yeah, those dumb males. What did they ever do? I mean, a little math here, a little physics there, some painting, some sculpture, some music. Engineers are vastly overrated apart from putting together the entire infrastructure. But what have they done lately?
I think that the worst thing on earth is to see you ex-partner so at ease and happy at the thought of you moving on, when all you want is to get back together with him. I think that Joe could have been more sensitive.
"I dont think there is a brighter color "
Gary had to be Quagmire's uncle. Giggity!
Desperation is never pretty. It was downright embarrassing watching how Rhoda acted with Joe in this episode. The writers thought Rhoda would be funnier single. Before her marriage, yes she often was but not after her separation. The various episodes such as this where she'd be anxious, sad, & depressed missing Joe were not entertaining. Why would anyone enjoy watching her in emotional pain? On the Mary Tyler Moore Show, yes, she was single & funny. But those were much different circumstances. She wasn't going through misery and pain after being left by a man who made wedding vows to her.
i agree with your statement. I will have to binge watch the MTM show next.
Yes, not at all entertaining
Yes but that's because they said as long as we both shall "love" instead of "live"
It felt to me like watching Cinderella get her Prince & then get dumped for a foreign princess. 👸
Yolanda this is a sitcom so how is it "downright embarassing?" Do you live your life through television or can you separate the two? Or do you not understand that people are in pain during a divorce? Honey if you are not entertained I have an idea: Stop watching!
I'm sorry but every time I hear Julie talk all I here is The Simpsons.
the yellow chair used to be pink.
One of my favorite shows for seasons 1 & 2 and then during season 3 I stopped watching. I'm 65 and just now catching up! I loved Rhoda and Brenda and Joe! It was so sad that the writers thought it would be a good idea to go with the separation storyline. Don't mess with success!
Deb Strout the ratings dropped when she got married they ran out of story lines
Success? That marriage did nothing for the comedy in this show. It was as interesting as a doorknob. There were much more comedy opportunities for the character of Rhoda, and for the series, if she was solo.
@Diane Newman Agree on IDOJ, 100%. It was like the show's death knell. At least they had a few seasons before they screwed it all up.
It just was time to end the marriage. There were no more funny stories about married life for them to do in the Seventies. Plus, Rhoda is a free spirit. She has to spread her wings eventually.
@@josephjoel9199 I disagree. They hadn't even tapped into storylines they could have explored with them being married. I mean plenty of shows have married couples and they find tons of storylines, so I find it hard to believe that after only 2 seasons, they didn't know what else for them to do.
Poor Brenda and she is cute in this season
Well what do ya know: it's ben stiller's mother.
And if you wait for it Ben Stiller's Dad also enters the show. Valerie Harper & Jerry Stiller share one of the best scenes I've ever seen filmed for television. They were both great performers making the scene hilariously amazing.
Okay, so I’m commenting years later than everyone else because I discovered these Rhoda episodes today! I don’t get Joe... why would he just up and leave? And he never discloses his ‘issues.´
Saloni Negi joe never really wanted to marry again. He wanted to live alone and date other women. Jerk
@@mkp8942 , I think that he just wanted to live with Rhoda. The whole idea of being tied down freaked him out.
that's an andy warhol cat on brenda's wall.
VERY ENJOYABLE ❤
It's painful to watch Rhoda try so desperately to make Joe jealous. He comes across as the emotionally bereft former spouse who wants to use his ex for one thing only, when otherwise he's clearly moved, or is in the steady process of moving, on with his life. l never could understand how anyone would want to 'date' an ex; talk about settling for stepping in reverse while the other person moves forward in complete control. Yuk.
He had nothing else to do though. She literally kicked him out of their apartment with nothing and he had to get an apartment right away. She gave him no choice. He had to move on. Put yourself in Joe's shoes you would do the same thing.
givememore4free He wanted time and space to be by himself; he said he wasn't as happy as he wanted to be. Rhoda didn't want him to leave--especially with his belongings--any walking out the door meant forever to her when she really didn't trust the permanence of the marriage anyway. Her character was deeply insecure. I really think this break up was the writers' intent early on, since the foreshadowing of Joe's reticence for marriage is established in Season One.
I would never go backward on a relationship because once it's over - it's over!
@@angelacarleton9575 because you're never insecure, right? Eyeroll.
@@cynthialyman2636 It's a freaking SITCOM. Oh my God, people.
reminds me of how my sis & I used to always dance together
Ben Stiller's mom ... wow !!
Jerry Stiller's wife.
Anne played in Fame
@Jack Russell, They killed the sitcom by taking it this other way and the declining rating should have told them they made a critical error. I thought they did a poor job with the new characters they introduced too. I never could stand Ann Meara in anything. She did nothing for Archie Bunker's Place either.
Agreed. I don't know what it was about Anne Nears but I never liked her at all.
Concur 100%.
I tuned out when her character came on. Very irritating.
She was 47 at the time of this episode and they had her say she was 39. That was ridiculous. Plus she seemed like a mean bitch.
Ron, the guy with the tennis racket was on Nurses, the Empty Next spin-off.
It's too bad that Joe and Rhoda ignored so many red flags. One wants to marry, the other doesn't, then stop dating. Yes, I know its just a tv show.
I hate that the writers split up Rhoda and Joe..... but I guess the central premise of the show is Rhoda.... the single lady with issues.....
It’s sad how Rhoda just hangs on to joe when it’s obvious that he doesn’t want to be with her anymore his actions speak so loud and Rhoda refuses to listen!!!!
Uh, it's a TV sitcom.
@@resaboutb.9566 Thank you! Some of these commenters have coconuts for brains!
Emma, it's a SITCOM, honey. LOL
@@resaboutb.9566 uhh I know,but so often it happens in real life!!!!
@@TanjiSmokesCigars what the hell is your dam problem?seems I’ve hit a nerve,don’t come at me with your personal problem ,it say at the top,add comment. I added a comment about the episode not about you!!!!!!!!
I hope that the seemingly close relationship between Rhoda and Brenda spilled over into their personal lives.
Alf's prime enemy is here too.
Two sisters can dance and it’s really sweet. Two brothers and it’s weird. Not fair!
I am pretty sure that is Pete Christlieb taking the tenor solo at 23:12...
I like Sally, she was a good addition to the show.
Anne Meara was also fun on "Archie Bunker's Place" for a while, and later appeared in the film "Awakenings," co-starring Julie Kavner.
I'm not liking this season. :( Loved the first two! Wish they'd kept it like that for a while.
Emily Edwards Agreed....this season is pretty depressing. The jokes fall flat. And it's hard to know why R & J separated, except I guess the producers thought a single Rhoda would draw more viewers...(?)
I think their brains were washed up and they couldn't come up with any good stories for a married woman. :(
Emily Edwards More like their brains were affected by substance abuse and alcoholic beverages.
Gracie l
@@CaptainGrimsdale huh-? Who are you talking about? The writers?
Gary is basically Artie Ziff
10:56 I can perfectly understand how Rhoda feels. Only I am...….I can't say how old I am NOW! But I too thought that I too "was out of all this, through with this jungle...."It's bloody awful!!! And I'm not even British.Oh! Sally! This is going to be a long and enduring friendship.
Everyone on this show expects Rhoda to be giddy with happiness...she just got seperated with Joe. I never understood what exactly Joe and Rhoda's problem was. Her poor self-esteem and drama queen behavior were probably some of their issues. Maybe he should have fallen for Brenda.
The BEST! :)
Wow Ben Stiller's Mum was gorgeous
Funny to remember how we gals would wait by the phone pre cell phones. Today's gals dont know how good they have not being a prisoner at home for a phone that never rings.
I loved Gary
REST IN PEACE Val!
Very cute!
Hard to believe Brenda was considered bad looking back then.
I know, right? Writers were so unfair & mean to Brenda...and to women in general. It was all about weight & age & no self confidence. Women's Lib was in full swing, but it was still a man's world back then.
1st one with crabby but nice Anne Meara!!
Funny there Anne Meara asking if there's a "mirra" in the bathroom....this was an odd episode to say the least.
I find it weird that she made the writers say that she is 39 years old because in reality she was 47 and an old looking 47 to boot. I am currently 48 and I look 10 years younger than her even though I have some grey hairs. I guess they had to comply because she was pretty famous at the time.
Anne Meara (the stewardess) is so familiar to me. Trying to think of what other more recent thing she was in.
She’s been in tons of stuff
She also played Miranda's mother-in-law in SATC
Sally was a great addition to the show.
oh wow have it a good time😂😂😂😂 so bad Joe so low 😂😂
Hi Ramone this is Rhoda lotf
Ugghhhh ... if I remember correctly (I was pretty young LOL), wasn't Joe kind of a goof ?? LOL!!!!!
is someone here in 2021
2022
@@debrahelmlinger6256 Same
Are they just separated in season 3?
They should have added Anne Meara to the cast permanently.
Andy Garcia great actor.
I never understood Rhoda's attraction to Joe, but that's mainly because nothing about him appeals to me. I don't care how buff a guy is, I absolutely hate skin-tight shirts on men. Joe's shirts always looked like they were on the verge of coming apart at the seams. On a different note, I love the line "I know you won't believe this, but right now I'm cleaning my bathroom bowl."
***** She was parodying a line from a commercial of the time frame. That could explain why it didn't resonate with you. It's definitely era specific.
That is 70s fashion and my dad wore shirts like that too.
I think men look very sexy in tight shirts only if they have a good looking body. Joe looked very handsome wearing shirts like that. Just saying.
😂 Stan was the day pizza guy I believe he was in season 2
"do you get the picture "
Hey
Rhoda acts strange around Joe 🥴
Dating as. “Gong show”. Hilarious if you recall The Gong Show... Anne Meara, RIP. If anyone wants to see her and Jerry Stiller in their prime, check out Stiller and Meara comedy routine from the 60’s.
Hahahahaha 😂