I read that in real life David Groh and Valerie Harper were good friends, and remained such until he died. She said they kept in touch. If I had been a writer for the scripts, I'd have kept the duo happily married, but having some 'adventures' together. The episode Bump in the Night consisted of a sort of adventure for Rhoda. I'd have had Rhoda work with Jack alot sooner.
I didnt care for her working with Jack. If they could redo the entire Rhoda and Joe part it would have been great. They made her too needy and him too cold. Maybe if she had just backed off completely and did her own thing he may have missed her and fallen truly in love with her. She needed more hobbies with the girls going off to ski or whatever. I dont know. I just know he didn't truly love her. It was more like a long date without the real commitment of true love. It bugged me. It wasn't her fault. She was the type that needed more attention and affection. He just cared about guy stuff. He had her for one thing only it seems to me. If only she could have created a vacuum to draw him in.
That’s so nice to hear. 🥰 I like Joe. I’ve been reading a lot of comments saying otherwise. I think Rhoda and Joe were a great couple. I was hoping to read they had a real romantic relationship but I’ll take the “good friends” part anytime. 😊
The problem was David Groh was awful at comedy. Some people just aren't funny and he was one. I'm sure he was a lovely person and probably a good actor for drama. But he was too intense and surely for comedy. They should have taken their time and not rushed Rhoda into marriage. that would have given them time to see if the chemistry worked between the two (it didn't) before they'd committed to the 'relationship'. Of course this was only one problem with the show. there were many others. They didn't have a strong supporting cast, the writers weren't as sharp as the writers of MTM, Bob Newhart show, or Lou Grant. Most of the humor was just sort of meh. It's too bad, Rhoda was my favorite character on MTM. There she was funny, lighthearted and quirky. They took all that away when they moved her into the main character role.
I remember reading in Valerie's bio that phasing Joe out was painful. They knew it was coming, and they did it rather slowly over many episodes and that David's last episode was a sad week on their set. She also mentioned that he had just bought a house in Los Angeles not long before they decided to have Rhoda and Joe divorce...luckily he kept working throughout the rest of his life.
@@olavwilhelm6843 back then my eyes were sore and tired. But yes I do read books. During the pandemic wanted to zone out not listening to covid news. Travel back in time mentally to the 1970's. Was employed as a nurse's aid at a facility back 2020 to 2023. Then I quit never looked back.
This is a very, very good representation of how parties were in the 1970s and it is the very reason why I avoided them. Everyone was trying to make an impression and everyone was uncomfortable wearing double knit in a hot, smoke filled, overcrowded room.
Ann Meara started appearing on my radar when I saw her in the film “Fame,” especially the scene where she confronts Leroy. It is a powerful performance. She was not only a comic but had a great dramatic range too. She and her husband Jerry Stiller really became legends in their own lifetimes.
I used to really dislike Anne Meara, back in the 70s and 80s. I was a youngster, and I thought she was an annoying old lady. Now I see here on Rhoda, and I not only appreciate her acting and comic timing, I think she looks young!! And now, I'm the old man in his mid 50s.
@@DavidinMiami, Thanks for your comment. Our perceptions of time and age are so relative and malleable, aren’t they? I remember when college students seemed like full grown adults to me. I had a summer camp counselor, for instance, who was between his freshman and sophomores years in college, which would have made him about 19 or 20, yet I thought of him somehow as being in the same age group as someone who was 35 years old. Now I can’t conceive of even dating someone that young. College “kids” seem more like older, grown children to me - and I strongly doubt there would be any coeds who could conceive of dating me!
I remember an interview with David Groh where he said that after Joe and Rhoda split, people in the street would yell at David. “Why don’t you go back to Rhoda, ya bum!”
18:16--I guess my taste in clothes is very much informed by the 70s. I really like Rhoda's outfit. That's funny, because at the time I didn't like it at all. Here's one for your morning smile. As I was watching this episode, my phone died right at the point where Rhoda and Joe met up.😄
That standing room only in there would be smothering to me, and I don't have claustrophobia. I always liked Venus Flytrap. I watched this show and WKRP In Cincinnati when new, during my teens.Alot of TV shows during the 1960s-1970s were great...both sitcoms, musical varieties, and dramas.
Valerie Harper and Julie Kavner are the only two "regulars' who are still alive. As we all know, Valerie has been triumphant in winning the fight regarding her brain cancer thus far. Hope she lives many, many years!
After reading your comment, I searched her out, hoping she was still with us. Wow, I had no idea what great odds she beat. Still with us after being given only 3 months to live. That was 6 years ago:))) She is 79 years old:)))
In an earlier episode Joe said that Jan was married, and now they're out together. So is she not married anymore or do they just not care or was Joe lying?
...bad storyline editing///continuation editor goofed! Also....they had John RItter....who started on THREE'S COMPANY....he played a loan officer at Brenda's bank...and also played NIck Lobo in one episode: was Richard Masur not available? Also, a different guy///a 3rd Nick played him as the accordion in the wedding episode. I understand the need to try out a "hot" actor (or pre-hot)....but too much of this can throw the storyline...overall look of any show off a bit.
Yeah that's true. Rhoda met her when Joe moved into his own apartment. The girl came to Joe's to take back her hairdryer which Joe had borrowed to dry his one & only shirt. Rhoda got jealous and Joe told her the girl was married. Which I didn't find believable cos she looked like a 1st year college student. I've just discovered this show & have been binge-watching from the 1st ep in Dec 2020.
Tim in the alley smoking a cigarillo....... They sold those for 5 cents a piece back in the day. For people who couldn't afford or want a whole pack. 😀😀😀😀😀
I thought that the Afro curly hair look on white men was awful in the 1970s and all these years later, I haven't changed that opinion. Gary Levy's hair was a hundred times better looking than Joe's hair; but those rose colored glasses on Gary Levy and that blue jump suit, I promise, were even ugly in the 70s.
@@cdd4248 Ditto. That show became popular in its reruns, not during the original run. It's good stuff, but you don't hear about it much today, and it's not on Hulu or Netflix. Good cast and cool tunes (although Shout Factory could not get the rights to _all_ the music when they released the series on DVD-- after the previous studio release with substitute tunes added).
Let's face it, Joe Girard was just a hot-headed jerk with a weakness for the trashy women. Rhoda was too good for him. The dude had way too many problems and needed anger management too. Those episodes of "Rhoda" where Mary Richards made appearances were the worst! Joe obviously hated her, for the reason that she and Rhoda were such good friends.
I enjoy Valerie, and Julie Kavner and Ron Silver. And Mr. Music as Carlton, of course. Kavner is my favorite. She's always good as Brenda, and delivers her funniest lines with aplomb. Betcha when she did this series she'd never _dream_ that she would eventually be the voice of a blue haired cartoon mother-- and would make a very comfortable salary. In the first scene the guy playing Rick, Don Chastain, is given a cardboard box that's supposed to be full of invitations. But because this man simply forgot that acting is pretending, he takes the nearly empty box and flails it around like it weighs three ounces (which it might actually have). Little things like that should be noted during the filming session by the director and changed for the better. It looks ridiculous. For me Anne Meara isn't funny as Sally; maybe it's the scripts. It felt like Sally was never fully formed; she comes off as a strong 70's woman but then they suddenly will make her wimpy and fawning to men. Mixed signals. She should have been either a tough cookie with a wise cracking mouth (like Roz Doyle from Frasier), or a neurotic wimp worse than Brenda with a bunch of idiosyncrasies and weekly unseen therapy sessions ... something specific and memorable for the personality. It isn't shocking that they dropped the character after this season. Anne was much better in Archie Bunker's Place as the outspoken and salty cook Veronica. Pity that Ida only shows up in one episode this season (Walker was busy with other programs). Watching this show as I have been lately, the biggest thing that stands out is that overall this is surprisingly inferior compared to The Mary Tyler Moore Show, from which it sprang. For me there are hardly any memorable or stellar episodes that I want to revisit again and again. And I realize it's probably unfair to compare the two shows. Plus, the chances of creating a second fantastic sitcom were slim to begin with. But this is such a different vibe altogether than when I watch MTM shows. I'm not even talking about the whole Joe/Rhoda separation fiasco. This sitcom was suffering before that anyway. I'm glad it's here to watch on RUclips. Like many other viewers here, I get a kick out of some of the period fashions and decor and slang; I grew up in this era so this is always a fun reminder of my youth. I do wish there was a lot more classic TV to watch on RUclips ... like uncut episodes of Alice, The Facts of Life, The Odd Couple, Laverne and Shirley, etc. But I understand that there isn't a big selection here because of copyright laws. Studios want us to stream their shows or to buy the discs. Holy moly, I'm writing a friggin' novel here. 😆 Sorry for the length.
It's ok, I like when people don't try to limit their comments to one phrase. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I actually like that Sally was an oxymoron. A strong 70's woman, but suddenly fawning. It's dissapointing to see her fawn, but sadly, it feels more real. Tough cookies like Roz are just softies underneath. They cultivate tough exteriors to protect their sensitive hearts. (Trust me, I know. I am this very character. 😉) I love all those shows you mentioned. Wish I had someone to watch them with and chat about them with. But the people I use to know who were into these good old shows are gone. And those left in my life just aren't interested. So I appreciate long thoughts on it from strangers in the comment section.
@@themaggattack Well, hello, Tough Cookie. ;-) Saw your reply in my notifications tonight so I wanted to respond. I understand your plight: It's too bad there's nobody to share classic TV with, people who would appreciate those old shows. I have a gal pal who is only a year younger than I am, but we can only visit together about once a month (Friday night through Sunday morning) because of physical distance. We've known each other off and on since age eleven (back in '77). She's basically like my second sister. Thanks very much for your interesting reply above. :)
I didn’t notice it at first but when I went back to look I saw what you meant about the box of invitations. As soon as he was holding it with one hand that way it looked very unrealistic. It would have been easy to fill the box with some cheap material so the actor wouldn’t have to even think about making it look realistic because he would naturally be carrying it in a realistic manner and could concentrate on delivering his lines.
Rhoda's job/career doesn't seem to be mentioned in this series. There was a big thing about her getting a job in the costume company in Series 4. Where is she working in this series?
She’s apparently also a graphic designer in addition to the window job since she says she designed those invitations in the first scene and we didn’t have internet templated invitations back in the 70s. I sometimes wonder what the 70s would have been like with home devices and internet.
@@demanda3814 Imagine if we had Covid and no Internet. No Zoom or communications that kept us all sane. We would have been stuck at home with TV channels for company.
Check Tim out in WKRP in Cincinnati --- if you can find it anywhere. That sitcom used so many rock songs of the late 70s and early 80s that it almost became impossible to put it on disc commercially.
I really loved joe and rhoda together, maybe they should have married in later episodes. It's to see she was still single and searching after being on mary tyler moore single as well
I agree with you, season 2 was much better. The new characters add nothing positive to the show. I've never been able to stand Ann Mera, she and her husband are listed in the dictionary next to the word, Luck.
According to Wikipedia - they got a backlash from the viewers and she is only on for this season. No one liked her on the show apparently. She was there because the parents were gone.
I think this Sally character is too loud and brash, and would prefer it without her. Then again, I didn't like too much of Nancy Walker either. I liked it as Brenda and Rhoda just being single girls in NY.
I love Mary Tyler Moore, Phyllis and Rhoda but I HATE how the writers have the characters cut the pronouncing of the names = Mar, Mur, Ro, Bren, Phil - it hurts my ears!! I had a friend - and old friend but it drove me nuts that he always called me Sher - it hurt my ears - like one shoe dropping.
Gary is alot better than Joe! Rhoda tears down every man she encounters, yet she thinks Joe is so great, and look how he treated her.That bar so crowded would have made me feel claustrophobic. It's weird, as big a city as NYC is, wherever Rhoda goes for an evening she meets Joe. What I hated about the 1970s was those wedgie shoes, and those clog shoes. I never wore them, hating the looks of them was enough. The music, movies, many of the TV shows were great. I always watched this when new.
Absolutely gross that Gary is holding the business end of that plunger, or plumber's helper, almost next to his face (8:00). Those things are used to unclog toilets. I know, I know. This is a TV show and the one he's holding had certainly never been used. It's just the idea. Ugh!
I agree with You, so does Saundra Waller, just the thought of what that plunger has had contact with gives Me the piss willies and no Lucy, I don't need therapy. There are a thousand different diseases that one could contract from that tool.
@@lucylucky8028 It's a weird thing to do, tv show or not. What would possess you to make such a vile comment to someone in regards to their totally innocent comment?? I didn't want to be this way, but seeing that your comment is NOT innocent in nature, I had to come back to add, "You are the one who sounds like they need therapy".
I've just discovered this series (Dec 2020). I'd never seen or heard of it before. I was born in 1972 so was kinda before my time & I wasn't allowed to watch TV growing up. It's interesting to see so many young famous faces, then racing to Google to find out 'where I've seen that face before'. Ann Meara was in King of Queens with Jerry Stiller. It's sad tho when you look up some of the actors & they've passed away. Valerie Harper, Dave Groh, Carlton the Doorman... Great writing for the most part, especially earlier in the series. I don't like this Rhoda/Joe storyline tho. He went from a good guy to a total Jerk! I dont think Dave Groh liked it either tho.
It's funny they cut him out of show. He had a steady job. Then he and Rhonda separate. He died very young. He was only in his late 50s. To me the show was funnier after they split up. He was good looking he wasn't very funny.
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I read that in real life David Groh and Valerie Harper were good friends, and remained such until he died. She said they kept in touch. If I had been a writer for the scripts, I'd have kept the duo happily married, but having some 'adventures' together. The episode Bump in the Night consisted of a sort of adventure for Rhoda. I'd have had Rhoda work with Jack alot sooner.
I didnt care for her working with Jack. If they could redo the entire Rhoda and Joe part it would have been great. They made her too needy and him too cold. Maybe if she had just backed off completely and did her own thing he may have missed her and fallen truly in love with her. She needed more hobbies with the girls going off to ski or whatever. I dont know. I just know he didn't truly love her. It was more like a long date without the real commitment of true love. It bugged me. It wasn't her fault. She was the type that needed more attention and affection. He just cared about guy stuff. He had her for one thing only it seems to me. If only she could have created a vacuum to draw him in.
That’s so nice to hear. 🥰 I like Joe. I’ve been reading a lot of comments saying otherwise. I think Rhoda and Joe were a great couple. I was hoping to read they had a real romantic relationship but I’ll take the “good friends” part anytime. 😊
There was no chemistry between Rhoda and Joe. When that happens between two actors, there’s not a lot ( save editing) that the producers can do.
Me too
The problem was David Groh was awful at comedy. Some people just aren't funny and he was one. I'm sure he was a lovely person and probably a good actor for drama. But he was too intense and surely for comedy. They should have taken their time and not rushed Rhoda into marriage. that would have given them time to see if the chemistry worked between the two (it didn't) before they'd committed to the 'relationship'. Of course this was only one problem with the show. there were many others. They didn't have a strong supporting cast, the writers weren't as sharp as the writers of MTM, Bob Newhart show, or Lou Grant. Most of the humor was just sort of meh. It's too bad, Rhoda was my favorite character on MTM. There she was funny, lighthearted and quirky. They took all that away when they moved her into the main character role.
I remember reading in Valerie's bio that phasing Joe out was painful. They knew it was coming, and they did it rather slowly over many episodes and that David's last episode was a sad week on their set. She also mentioned that he had just bought a house in Los Angeles not long before they decided to have Rhoda and Joe divorce...luckily he kept working throughout the rest of his life.
The great Tim Reid, in the alley, talking to Rhoda. Soon to become Venus Flytrap, on WKRP In Cincinnati. A great show.
This was my mom's favorite show when she was in her 20s. I'm only starting to watch it now. It's pretty solidly funny. The mother is hilarious.
The show is funny, but it's not so much funny as it is satisfying to see more or Rhoda as she moved on with her life.
I clocked 48 hours in 4 days at work. My day off is binge watching Rhonda. Too tired and pandemic only thing to do.
I'm pandemic watching too. Comforting to see simpler times
I am finishing up a last weekend binge!
ever read a book ??
@@olavwilhelm6843 back then my eyes were sore and tired. But yes I do read books. During the pandemic wanted to zone out not listening to covid news. Travel back in time mentally to the 1970's. Was employed as a nurse's aid at a facility back 2020 to 2023. Then I quit never looked back.
Memories of the 70s...Tab,fresca,fondue,cheez whiz,dynamints and Brenda Morganstern.
You're the airline chick and you're the restaurant turkey 🤣🤣🤣. What a clap-back
Superb cast in this episode Ron Silver rocks!
The girl who played Joe’s date was Valerie Harper’s step-daughter, Wendy Schaal.
That's interesting
I still hate her. 😜
The looks that they exchanged were probably real. Lol
This is a very, very good representation of how parties were in the 1970s and it is the very reason why I avoided them. Everyone was trying to make an impression and everyone was uncomfortable wearing double knit in a hot, smoke filled, overcrowded room.
Hahahahaha! Double Knit! Ohhh...that takes me back!
I wonder if Gary using Rhoda as a shield influenced the writers of The Last Show of The Mary Tyler Moore Show when the gang had a group hug.
Ann Meara started appearing on my radar when I saw her in the film “Fame,” especially the scene where she confronts Leroy. It is a powerful performance. She was not only a comic but had a great dramatic range too. She and her husband Jerry Stiller really became legends in their own lifetimes.
I first saw her in Archie Bunkers Place love her.
I used to really dislike Anne Meara, back in the 70s and 80s. I was a youngster, and I thought she was an annoying old lady. Now I see here on Rhoda, and I not only appreciate her acting and comic timing, I think she looks young!! And now, I'm the old man in his mid 50s.
@@DavidinMiami, Thanks for your comment. Our perceptions of time and age are so relative and malleable, aren’t they? I remember when college students seemed like full grown adults to me. I had a summer camp counselor, for instance, who was between his freshman and sophomores years in college, which would have made him about 19 or 20, yet I thought of him somehow as being in the same age group as someone who was 35 years old. Now I can’t conceive of even dating someone that young. College “kids” seem more like older, grown children to me - and I strongly doubt there would be any coeds who could conceive of dating me!
@@DavidinMiami yyyyy
@@inkyguy I totally relate. Now, how do we travel back in time and inhabit our younger bodies, so that we can make better choices? lol
Thank mtm..... you do a perfect job uploading. Ageless!!! Still luv Rhoda. Valerie. Great memories!
So glad Julie Kavner is still alive.
😅
Joe was such a handsome guy.Why couldnt they just let Rhoda be happily married
I remember an interview with David Groh where he said that after Joe and Rhoda split, people in the street would yell at David. “Why don’t you go back to Rhoda, ya bum!”
Tim Reid is pretty much great in any role he plays!
He is just so likable. You just want him to be your friend.
When I saw him in this episode, I was hoping he'd ask her out and she'd say yes. That would have been fun. Good-looking couple!
I wonder if this is the role that brought him to the attention of the "WKRP" casting department, since that was also an MTM show.
Yup now I understand the hate mail!!!
18:16--I guess my taste in clothes is very much informed by the 70s. I really like Rhoda's outfit. That's funny, because at the time I didn't like it at all.
Here's one for your morning smile. As I was watching this episode, my phone died right at the point where Rhoda and Joe met up.😄
Wendy Schaal is Joes date? She's also Valerie Harpers stepdaughter lol
No kidding! What a great piece of trivia!
I think I'll "Let it go" right here 😂😂😂 that line killed me 😂😂😂😂
That standing room only in there would be smothering to me, and I don't have claustrophobia. I always liked Venus Flytrap. I watched this show and WKRP In Cincinnati when new, during my teens.Alot of TV shows during the 1960s-1970s were great...both sitcoms, musical varieties, and dramas.
Valerie Harper and Julie Kavner are the only two "regulars' who are still alive. As we all know, Valerie has been triumphant in winning the fight regarding her brain cancer thus far. Hope she lives many, many years!
Me too! And Dave Groh died? didn't realize that!
It was 40 years ago. It's not surprising most of the cast are dead, they are from most 70's programmes.
After reading your comment, I searched her out, hoping she was still with us. Wow, I had no idea what great odds she beat. Still with us after being given only 3 months to live. That was 6 years ago:))) She is 79 years old:)))
Unfortunately her husband is putting her into hospice
Was so very sad when Valerie died a couple of weeks ago but seeing Ben Stillers parents so very funny.Hope Ben knows that he came from great stock.
In an earlier episode Joe said that Jan was married, and now they're out together. So is she not married anymore or do they just not care or was Joe lying?
I hadn't caught that episode. Joe said that Rhoda was his neighbor. I've never liked Joe much. Lol.
...bad storyline editing///continuation editor goofed! Also....they had John RItter....who started on THREE'S COMPANY....he played a loan officer at Brenda's bank...and also played NIck Lobo in one episode: was Richard Masur not available? Also, a different guy///a 3rd Nick played him as the accordion in the wedding episode. I understand the need to try out a "hot" actor (or pre-hot)....but too much of this can throw the storyline...overall look of any show off a bit.
@@susannec659 ....David Groh (successfully) played a lot of temperamental dirtbags throughout his career. He and Valerie were lifelong friends.
maybe she is married and also adulterous ... Or when he told Rhoda his neighbour was married, he lied.
Yeah that's true. Rhoda met her when Joe moved into his own apartment. The girl came to Joe's to take back her hairdryer which Joe had borrowed to dry his one & only shirt. Rhoda got jealous and Joe told her the girl was married. Which I didn't find believable cos she looked like a 1st year college student. I've just discovered this show & have been binge-watching from the 1st ep in Dec 2020.
I understand they wanted Rhoda single again but im wondering why the writers had Joe dog her out so bad.
For the first time Carlton did not announce "Hello, this is Carlton your doorman" 6:00
Love this show
Even stevie wonder could hav seen the relationship was over once you hav to give up the apartment
damn, it should have been the episode that made than know how much they love each other. and get back together!!!
Love the theme song in this episode
zppity do da.
Tim in the alley smoking a cigarillo....... They sold those for 5 cents a piece back in the day. For people who couldn't afford or want a whole pack. 😀😀😀😀😀
Tim Reid was awesome in that tiny part...so cute
A young Tim Reid of "sister sister" fame from 14:32 ! (Ray Campbell, Tamara's dad).. !!
Famous mostly for a sitcom called WKRP in Cincinnati (1978-1982) from the same studio who gave us MTM & Rhoda.
I noticed in the credits an endless string of different directors. A few times also Jay Sandrich who directed most of the MTM Show episodes.
"We were on a break!"
Friends
What a doormat she was thank goodness women have moved on not let themselves be treated like that by spouses
This was a stupid episode, Rhoda should have slapped him and gave his ring back, then tuned to the girl and said "run you're next!"
Agree joe is mean
Awww stop crying Nancy..her feminist ways pushed Joe away
In that blue jump suit, if Gary put on a hard hat, he could have gone to work on an offshore Gulf of Mexico oil platform.
So sad,his married neighbor with the blowdryer....I hate what they did .
I thought that the Afro curly hair look on white men was awful in the 1970s and all these years later, I haven't changed that opinion. Gary Levy's hair was a hundred times better looking than Joe's hair; but those rose colored glasses on Gary Levy and that blue jump suit, I promise, were even ugly in the 70s.
Soon Tim Reid would be playing Venus Flytrap ‼️😆
Venus Flytrap meets Rhoda in an alley 😊
I LOVE THIS SHOW ❤❤
ITS VENUS flytrap from WKRP
WKRP was also an MTM-produced show. The casting people must have remembered Tim Reid from this when they were casting that show.
He got tired of dumping trash in a NYC alley and applied for a job as a disc jockey at WKRP in Cincinnati!
WKRP! Wow, I have not thought about that show in awhile!
@@cdd4248 Ditto. That show became popular in its reruns, not during the original run. It's good stuff, but you don't hear about it much today, and it's not on Hulu or Netflix. Good cast and cool tunes (although Shout Factory could not get the rights to _all_ the music when they released the series on DVD-- after the previous studio release with substitute tunes added).
The guy Rhoda said she had no teeth to was also the competency test man on Laverne and Shirley ....
Let's face it, Joe Girard was just a hot-headed jerk with a weakness for the trashy women. Rhoda was too good for him. The dude had way too many problems and needed anger management too. Those episodes of "Rhoda" where Mary Richards made appearances were the worst! Joe obviously hated her, for the reason that she and Rhoda were such good friends.
Maybe just good acting
Too bad Rhoda wasn't into Gary. He was fine with a hot bod! More importantly, he was sweet to her!
Ron Silver I think He died from cancer but he was in so many movies he was either a great guy or you hated him depending on the movie.
True! And not long after this he was on WKRP in Cincinnati (another MTM production).
Such a good tv show... :)
so Gary's not her type but cranky old Joe was?? you never saw guy the smile
Oh here comes Joe again, trying to keep Rhoda on his back burner. 🤨 Rhoda did the right thing sending him on his way.
Never heard this opening before. Did it last long?
I enjoy Valerie, and Julie Kavner and Ron Silver. And Mr. Music as Carlton, of course. Kavner is my favorite. She's always good as Brenda, and delivers her funniest lines with aplomb. Betcha when she did this series she'd never _dream_ that she would eventually be the voice of a blue haired cartoon mother-- and would make a very comfortable salary.
In the first scene the guy playing Rick, Don Chastain, is given a cardboard box that's supposed to be full of invitations. But because this man simply forgot that acting is pretending, he takes the nearly empty box and flails it around like it weighs three ounces (which it might actually have). Little things like that should be noted during the filming session by the director and changed for the better. It looks ridiculous.
For me Anne Meara isn't funny as Sally; maybe it's the scripts. It felt like Sally was never fully formed; she comes off as a strong 70's woman but then they suddenly will make her wimpy and fawning to men. Mixed signals. She should have been either a tough cookie with a wise cracking mouth (like Roz Doyle from Frasier), or a neurotic wimp worse than Brenda with a bunch of idiosyncrasies and weekly unseen therapy sessions ... something specific and memorable for the personality. It isn't shocking that they dropped the character after this season. Anne was much better in Archie Bunker's Place as the outspoken and salty cook Veronica.
Pity that Ida only shows up in one episode this season (Walker was busy with other programs).
Watching this show as I have been lately, the biggest thing that stands out is that overall this is surprisingly inferior compared to The Mary Tyler Moore Show, from which it sprang. For me there are hardly any memorable or stellar episodes that I want to revisit again and again. And I realize it's probably unfair to compare the two shows. Plus, the chances of creating a second fantastic sitcom were slim to begin with. But this is such a different vibe altogether than when I watch MTM shows. I'm not even talking about the whole Joe/Rhoda separation fiasco. This sitcom was suffering before that anyway.
I'm glad it's here to watch on RUclips. Like many other viewers here, I get a kick out of some of the period fashions and decor and slang; I grew up in this era so this is always a fun reminder of my youth.
I do wish there was a lot more classic TV to watch on RUclips ... like uncut episodes of Alice, The Facts of Life, The Odd Couple, Laverne and Shirley, etc. But I understand that there isn't a big selection here because of copyright laws. Studios want us to stream their shows or to buy the discs.
Holy moly, I'm writing a friggin' novel here. 😆 Sorry for the length.
Get carried away much ... ?
It's ok, I like when people don't try to limit their comments to one phrase. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I actually like that Sally was an oxymoron. A strong 70's woman, but suddenly fawning. It's dissapointing to see her fawn, but sadly, it feels more real.
Tough cookies like Roz are just softies underneath. They cultivate tough exteriors to protect their sensitive hearts. (Trust me, I know. I am this very character. 😉)
I love all those shows you mentioned. Wish I had someone to watch them with and chat about them with. But the people I use to know who were into these good old shows are gone. And those left in my life just aren't interested.
So I appreciate long thoughts on it from strangers in the comment section.
@@themaggattack Well, hello, Tough Cookie. ;-)
Saw your reply in my notifications tonight so I wanted to respond. I understand your plight: It's too bad there's nobody to share classic TV with, people who would appreciate those old shows. I have a gal pal who is only a year younger than I am, but we can only visit together about once a month (Friday night through Sunday morning) because of physical distance. We've known each other off and on since age eleven (back in '77). She's basically like my second sister.
Thanks very much for your interesting reply above. :)
I didn’t notice it at first but when I went back to look I saw what you meant about the box of invitations. As soon as he was holding it with one hand that way it looked very unrealistic. It would have been easy to fill the box with some cheap material so the actor wouldn’t have to even think about making it look realistic because he would naturally be carrying it in a realistic manner and could concentrate on delivering his lines.
@@tomorrowmorning8360 Exactly.
Missing Nancy Walker's Ida but she had two of her own shows going this season and didnt have time to guest star.
Love ❤ this show wish rhoda and joe would've gotten back together that is my only problem hopefully u feel the same way
After this episode I'm glad Joe basically disappeared from Rhoda's life.
Im such a perve. I immediately assumed Gary needed Rhoda as a sheild because he got hard. Now i realize he was just scared of Joe.
Rhoda's job/career doesn't seem to be mentioned in this series. There was a big thing about her getting a job in the costume company in Series 4. Where is she working in this series?
Treasure Hunter UK she has her own business backed by her day, Martin. It's called windows by Rhoda.
She’s apparently also a graphic designer in addition to the window job since she says she designed those invitations in the first scene and we didn’t have internet templated invitations back in the 70s. I sometimes wonder what the 70s would have been like with home devices and internet.
@@demanda3814 Imagine if we had Covid and no Internet. No Zoom or communications that kept us all sane. We would have been stuck at home with TV channels for company.
hey, its the dad from Sister, Sister!
It is also the bartender on The Love Boat.
The bartender on the Love Boat was Ted Lange not Tim Reid.
Check Tim out in WKRP in Cincinnati --- if you can find it anywhere. That sitcom used so many rock songs of the late 70s and early 80s that it almost became impossible to put it on disc commercially.
Venus Flytrap!
If I were Rhoda I would give him back the ring
Why should she - she earned her time?
Can't write em like that any longer
One of two episodes using this weird, jazz theme!
I really loved joe and rhoda together, maybe they should have married in later episodes. It's to see she was still single and searching after being on mary tyler moore single as well
WHAT is ON the edge of that plunger???!!!!!! (barf)
I agree with you, season 2 was much better. The new characters add nothing positive to the show. I've never been able to stand Ann Mera, she and her husband are listed in the dictionary next to the word, Luck.
According to Wikipedia - they got a backlash from the viewers and she is only on for this season. No one liked her on the show apparently. She was there because the parents were gone.
I think this Sally character is too loud and brash, and would prefer it without her. Then again, I didn't like too much of Nancy Walker either. I liked it as Brenda and Rhoda just being single girls in NY.
I was dispsand when Rhoda and joe broke up
Both are good comedienne and actors too. Look at her in "Awakening" she was marvelous!
I like the jazzed up theme song.
Sure, Richard Lewis Warren arranged the jazzed-up theme music, but it sounded more like Patrick Williams to me.
the theme music at the start is different to other episodes in this season.
I sure dont miss people smoking indoor spaces.
What the hell happened to the theme song?
Tim Reid is very special, and Valerie Harper is the best!
Rhoda should have told Joe to go shtoop himself! I haaaate Joe!
Joe is a mean guy
He shouldn't of married Rhoda he didn't want to be married she wasted her time marry Joe...
@Joshua Swain 🙄😏😒HE SAID AND I QUOTE HE DIDN'T WANT TO BE MARRIED AT ALL SHE DIDN'T RUN HIM OFF HE LEFT HER
In an earlier episode, Joe assured Rhoda that girl was JUST his neighbour. Things changed apparently. Or is that a different girl?
Why did Rhoda have to explain to Joe about being with Gary when he was with his neighbor?
the black guy is from W K R P in Cincinnatti ! Venus Flytrap ! thanks
I wish they would either make him a jerk or a nice guy. If I were Rhoda it would drive me nutz.
Its Venus Flytrap!!😊 and why did they have to go and mess up a great Rhoda and Joe moment with that bimbo😡
Never send your husband home with blue balls.
They should have kept the theme of this episode, it is more upbeat than the one they had originally.
I love Mary Tyler Moore, Phyllis and Rhoda but I HATE how the writers have the characters cut the pronouncing of the names = Mar, Mur, Ro, Bren, Phil - it hurts my ears!! I had a friend - and old friend but it drove me nuts that he always called me Sher - it hurt my ears - like one shoe dropping.
It's a New York thing
Same here!
Hey Bren. Hey Ro. Every episode. No, I don't want to go out with him .....Ok I'll go. Every episode.
Gary is alot better than Joe! Rhoda tears down every man she encounters, yet she thinks Joe is so great, and look how he treated her.That bar so crowded would have made me feel claustrophobic. It's weird, as big a city as NYC is, wherever Rhoda goes for an evening she meets Joe. What I hated about the 1970s was those wedgie shoes, and those clog shoes. I never wore them, hating the looks of them was enough. The music, movies, many of the TV shows were great. I always watched this when new.
Anything you did like?
Wow that was a RARE theme song used!!
I dont get it, a club/party with no music.
Absolutely gross that Gary is holding the business end of that plunger, or plumber's helper, almost next to his face (8:00). Those things are used to unclog toilets. I know, I know. This is a TV show and the one he's holding had certainly never been used. It's just the idea. Ugh!
I thought the same thing.
I agree with You, so does Saundra Waller, just the thought of what that plunger has had contact with gives Me the piss willies and no Lucy, I don't need therapy. There are a thousand different diseases that one could contract from that tool.
@@lucylucky8028 It's a weird thing to do, tv show or not. What would possess you to make such a vile comment to someone in regards to their totally innocent comment?? I didn't want to be this way, but seeing that your comment is NOT innocent in nature, I had to come back to add, "You are the one who sounds like they need therapy".
You sure get worked up over stupid shit
8:27 "This looked better in the store" (And, it has a snag)
Tim Reid before WKRP in Cincinnati....
I love 💕 Carlton
Wow such a time in history
This is how we communicated back in the 70s by going to these dives or bars. Not always cool but I like the ones we could dance to the lastest tunes.
Men in jumpsuits- just wrong.
It was the style, not for Me though, I was Wrangler jeans, brown Engineer boots and button down shirts.
Yeah. Try wearing one of those things when you need to use the bathroom and the only facilities available are out-houses!
I like all her show👍
It's crappy thst he said he still loved her when he left her, left her in limbo, and started dating young women instead of divorcing her
🤕 ouch!!!! Joe is there.
I like season 1 and 2
Its the dad from sister sister!! Melennial catch!
Lingering sadness
I've just discovered this series (Dec 2020). I'd never seen or heard of it before. I was born in 1972 so was kinda before my time & I wasn't allowed to watch TV growing up. It's interesting to see so many young famous faces, then racing to Google to find out 'where I've seen that face before'. Ann Meara was in King of Queens with Jerry Stiller. It's sad tho when you look up some of the actors & they've passed away. Valerie Harper, Dave Groh, Carlton the Doorman...
Great writing for the most part, especially earlier in the series. I don't like this Rhoda/Joe storyline tho. He went from a good guy to a total Jerk! I dont think Dave Groh liked it either tho.
It's funny they cut him out of show. He had a steady job. Then he and Rhonda separate. He died very young. He was only in his late 50s. To me the show was funnier after they split up. He was good looking he wasn't very funny.
After season 2 they dressed Rhoda up in some really unflattering clothes
i think ill wear my gauzy shirts
Gary calls that a suit?!?!? ugh.
Love the jumpsuit