Well, hope is evil, if you think about it you realize it is the only thing that actually hurts, If you have no hope you have no pain, a man with no desire is invincible; want none, suffer none.
@@akumaking1 I mean, it would be mostly just DK reacting, cause I'm pretty sure Shy and Bricky have seen all of TTS at this point... (It's like a must watch for anyone who's even slightly into 40K lore)
Someone described seeing Tzeentch to me as: “if you see a guy who says he saw tzeentch and tries to describe something, he’s a liar. If you see a guy frothing at the mouth who clawed his own eye out and is now saying something that sounds like they could be trying to say Tzeentch but their too busy making guttural noises and hiding from water on an ocean planet? That guy MIGHT have seen Tzeentch out of the corner of his eye.”
Shy's face slowly changing into a different expression, the little whispers and shadows across the screen... gotta love the subtle things added to this episode!
"Magnus the Red was the nerd-nerd, Lorgar was the bible studying nerd" And obviously Perturabo was the third kind of nerd. _Stares directly into the camera_
Lots of folks posting favourite Tzeentch quotes, so here's mine. "I'll never serve your cause", said Dathan, "Never. I will always betray you because I am a man, and Mankind is all that stands in the way of things like you and the ultimate annihilation of everything." "Nothing stands in the way of the ultimate annihilation of everything," Tzeentch said. "In the end, everything possessed of life returns to air, and ash, and dust. Everything possessed of energy returns to lifelessness. All that matters is how things burn - not how quickly, but *how* . I need enemies, Dathan, more than I need allies. There is nothing quite so precious to me as a traitor."
@@redgunnit Just like Nurgle must acknowledge that change is inevitable. Both Gods embody two opposite aspects of entropy, and you can't have one without the other.
couple tidbits i'd like to add because tzeentch is amazing: Those flamers of tzeentch? Their flames don't always burn. Their flames have built in RNG that can cause someone to smell sweet, get covered in wine, burn away their soul and not their flesh or make them immune to all fire. In a similar vein there is the Mutalith Vortex Beast, a massive daemon that has a giant rift into the warp open on it's back that radiates magical effects. It can cause people to turn inside out, vaporize an enemy, give healing properties to anyone near it or give a random nearby person the exact power necessary to kill a Mutalith Vortex Beast. The self-defeating randomness of Tzeentch is my favorite part of his lore.
I'm disappointed bricky didn't use the best quote for Ghargatuloth: 'You just had to look around you, Grey Knight, and you'd have seen it. What is Chaos? Suffering, you might say. Oppression. Deceit. But could not all these things be said of your Imperium? You hunt down the talented and the strong-willed. You break them or sacrifice them. You lie to your citizens and wage war on those who dare speak out. The inquisitors you call masters assume guilt and execute millions on a whim. And why? Why do you do this? Because you know Chaos is there but you do not know how to fight it, so you crush your own citizens for fear that they might aid the Enemy. The Imperium suffers because of Chaos. No matter how hard you fight, that will never change. Chaos exists in a state of permanent victory over you - you dance to our tune, mortal one, you butcher and torture and repress one another because the gods of the warp require you to. The Imperium is founded on Chaos. My lord Tzeentch won your war a long, long time ago.'
_"My lord Tzeentch won your war a long, long time ago."_ That is just applause worthy. Just the thought of all the hardships and pain, all those bitter victory, and attrition upon attrition, not only was it a losing battle, but it has always been a lost battle from the very start. Victory was *never* on the board.
@@jocosesonata Late to say this but as someone pointed out Tzneetch is the one person that not just inspite of, but BECAUSE of his power he will never win. Tzneetch is the god of change. Change ends the moment he wins and Tzneetch has been known to self sabotage on purpose and occasionally on accident. Tzneetch will never win even if he had the power to do so.
You didn't talk about the blue scribes :( one of the funniest duos in 40k, two brothers with access to the most powerful magic in existence, but one of them can write magic but can't understand his own writing, and the other can read spells but can't understand them so they go around the battlefield randomly throwing insanely powerful spells
According to Jungian psychology, there is the concept of the animus and the anima, as well as the inner child it's safe to say, that yes, there is just a little guy within us all.
I believe that concept was borrowed from Alchemists back in the day when chemistry was still viewed as magic. A Homunculus just means “tiny man” which the reason for the name in itself is a rabbit hole but a long story short is that it’s believed theirs literally tiny people in us making our bodies function like it should “why can we see? It’s because theirs a tiny man gathering that information behind our eyes. Why can we hear voices when we think? It’s a tiny man in our heads that’s churning out ideas” it was just made a little more metaphorical once reaching psychology.
One of the wildest things about Tzeentch is the fact that he also represents hope... he literally is behind your ear when you want things to be better. In the Ahriman trilogy Tzeentch tells him that he is his favorite human, and his favorite servant, because despite betraying the imperium, despite ruining the golden throne and dooming the human webway, and then literally betraying his genefather Magnus, and using a spell that turned so many of his loyal soldiers into dust slaves.... AHRIMAN STILL HAVES HOPE! he still hopes and plans and schemes homehow hoping that next time...the next thing will work out...somehow he will fix the spell, he will be accepted by Magnus again, he will stop the Thousand Sons' mutations, all will be perfect! Ahriman is mad enough to think there is a way out of this hell, he still hopes he can fix this shit...
Broh if you really want to get wacky, because he represents change as well as hope with him living, all of the 4 gods can be killed, as it would be right in line with his idea that everything is possible. The only snag would be you have to kill all 4 all at once because if any of them dont die simoultanously the world would probably get all sorts of fucked.
The Changling once used his shape-shifting ability to pluck some apples from Slaanesh's nice gardens and yeet them over to Nurgle's rot garden, prompting a massive fight between the gods.
@@Sara3346 she’ll turn into a gaping maw and arms, forever plucking shitposts from her unwashed fangs so tzeentch has new memes to post on the chaos discord server
Fun fact: a little girl and her black dog went into tzeentch’s maze Solved every puzzle and avoided all the daemons and traps And even he was baffled at what happened Some theories say that due to her innocence and ignorance of the world she was able to escape
Tzeentch is notable for actually having one of the biggest "pet the dog" moments in 40k. That being he thought Ahriman did such a good job being his favorite champion Tzeentch wanted to gift him with "oblivion." Basically wipe his soul from existence. Considering every other Chaos follower is destined to an eternity of damnation and suffering with their souls being devoured by daemons. It was probably the kindest thing a Chaos god could "gift" someone. His court of Daemons were completely shocked. Though he did reconsider later on.
“You would ask Tzeentch a question, and that question leads to three more questions, and those questions lead to the heat death of the universe, which provides four answers to those questions. Then he thinks to himself “What are questions really, and are you even asking the questions? Or are you simply giving paths to answers” (Bricky, warhammer 40k factions part 2) -Congratulations you now know everything you need to about tzeentch and at the same time you know nothing. Or Mabye you know particular information about him? Coke to think about what is information, is it simply facts form different points of veiw or is nothing said set in stone! We shall see.(just as planned)
36:50 not even the chaos gods could 1v1 tzeentch, it took them all together to shatter tzeentch and only cause tzeentch wanted to be shattered cause it would be boring if he won the great game.
@@iamnotglenn They would probably still beat Khorne XD. There is a reason why none of the chaos gods fucks with eternal duel of Gork and Mork, they are just too powerful to be unshackled from it and united to fight against someone else.
@@brok56 This is a very late reply I know but I now I like to think that if/when Tzeentch tries to fuck with Gork n Mork through some overly convoluted hyper scheme boiling down to 'throw Khorne at them' that it always ends in Gork n Mork getting the better of Tzeentch by sheer accident. Like Tzeentch gets Khorne riled up and pointed at the Green bois they start going at it yadda yadda then sometime later Gork/Mork/Khorne just gets thrown through a wall or some shit and bodies Tzeentch completely by accident before Gork/Mork/Khorne gets right back up and at it, completely oblivious to the fact they smashed into Tzeentch.
...so Tzeentch's realm is Washington, D.C.: supposedly a land of hopes and dreams and ambitions and progress, but in truth a cesspit of lies and treachery and ever-fleeting whims that inevitably lead to ruin.
My favourite part about tzeentch demons is the changeling that infiltrated the rock and fucked with the dark angels - until he run into a watcher in the dark, started freaking out and pissing his pants because that thing scared the shit out of him for some reason.
I'm really sad the Bricky didn't talk about the Lost Human girl and her pet dog that navigates the impossible fortress 1st try. Tzeench and Fateweiver where both like "WHAAAT?"
@@gabrielmirandahurtado6539 we don't know exactly what she/it was. It's probably an Alice in Wonderland reference (so I've heard atleast never watched it)
I always considered it being the emperor (the child) and malcador ( the dog) screwing with tzeentch because they wanted a break from playing regicide / 4D Chess…
Ah man I was hoping Bricky would bring up the time a little girl and her dog made it through his whole maze/realm thing and nobody in Tzeech's employ not even himself or the Fateweaver can figure out how the heck she did it
25:14 This reminds me of Galactus. Thor essentially described him as a force of nature so primeval and undeniable, and simultaneously unknowable that he appears as a version of whatever species is viewing him. The fact that he's always been a gigantic humanoid comes from the fact that it's the human audience that's seeing him.
I could imagine Tzeench being the most powerful of the Chaos God's since change is always happening with the other Gods. Tzeench: Hey Khorne what are you doing? Khorne: Oh I'm just adding more skulls to my throne. Tzeench: Guess you could say your throne is...changing? Khorne: Fuck you Tzeench!
The problem is that Tzeentch doesn't have full control over his sphere of influence, or himself for that matter. He can't enforce stagnancy and order on to his work as it runs contrary to his nature, so inevitably things slip out of his grasp and go against his intentions, including himself, as his machinations run contrary to one another. For Tzeentch, the 1st perfect plan is inconsequential to the 2nd, and that 2nd plan inconsequential to the 3rd, which is in itself invalidated by the 1st; Tzeentch can't help but change his mind constantly, and the fact he is an omniscient being that perceives time in a non-linear fashion complicates things IMMENSELY because his past, present, and future selves are planning around one another just as much as the other Chaos Gods and the Emperor.
As much as I'm excited for Tzeench, Magnus, and the Thousand Sons, I know I'm going to be saddened to not see the Blood Ravens come after them. Even when it would very fitting with the Magpies being sons of Magnus. Post Watch Comment: This has got to be the best episode thanks to all the edits and Tzeench stuff that was added into this. Shy you are the best and we love you for all you effort. Best Episode by far and that jumpscare at the end really caught me off guard.
Has this actually been confirmed recently? Last time I looked it up the only connection was they had a higher than usual Psykers. That sounds like a strong connection, but wouldnt that mean you’d have a ton of lower level psykers in their ranks? Also i kinda remember a book showing TSons turning into dust retroactively because of time travel shenanigans. Which means low-non psykers being rubrik marines.
Tzeentch is the example of "I have all the cheat codes and OP items in my basement but would it be fun if any of them handed to someone or if I use it myself? I think not." He is a game master of this cruel universe.
You would ask Tzeentch a question, and that question leads to three more questions and those questions lead to the heat death of the universe which asks four answers to those questions and then he thinks to himself "What are questions even really? And are you even asking the questions? Or are you simply giving paths to answers?"
Interesting thing about Tzeentch is that though Khorne is said to be the one who was the first to manifest out of the four, his sacred number is '8' while Tzeentch's sacred number is '9,' suggesting that, somehow, Tzeentch has some sort of seniority over them.
I did read somewhere that the current Tzeentch is actually the _second_ version of the god, with the first being an ultra-powerful and fundamentally different version that was only destroyed when the other Chaos Gods teamed up against it...
@@isuckatusernames4297 Same. Khorne may have been the first to awaken in any meaningful sense, but Tzeentch and Nurgle represent concepts fundamental to the universe and life itself before the advent of sentience, rage, and bloodlust.
@@Brutalyte616 From what I understand, he's centered in conflict, with war & violence just being the more extreme examples. I remember his Black Crusade rpg book saying something like "anything from feral beasts hunting prey to a supernova consuming worlds."
Note that the Genie screwing you over isn't in the original legends of the djinn. Often it was misunderstandings or the genie being unable to fulfill your request. Being punished for greed a la monkey's paw is more recent mythology.
Not possible. There are meanings to words that you won't consider or turns of phrase that are completely natural to you but would hit different to an outsider. A fully explained wish that has no wiggle room would read like a legal document.
I was told that genies misinterpret wishes on purpose because they don't want to grant them: they are trapped in objects and slaves to whoever find those, they are understandably mad about it. I don't know where this story comes from, but i like it because it makes sense in a very human way, the genie has feeling and desires too
Jesus... the subtle change from "normal" to smoke and green flames and Shy looking VERY worried... wow! I did not actually realize it was happening until about minute 40. REALLY well done.
I think all of the chaos gods are inspired by lovecraftian or mythological gods to some extend. Tzeentch seems very similar to Nyarlothep but leaning slightly more towards a loki-style trickster vibe. Nurgle and a lot of his followers give me Major Tsathoggua from lovecraft vibes mixed with some Nergal from mesopotamian religion, who was a god of plague and pestilence also. Khorne is pretty much just straight up Ares with some inspiration from the Christian devil Slanesh seems like a mix of Hedona, Algea and Da Ji. She's kind of a classical demon succubus but instead of being a minor demon she's an entire ass god
@@gigablast4129 Her realm is not based on the seven sins. Its based on like one maybe-at-a-stretch 2 of them Sloth and gluttony is very distinctly a nurgle thing Vainglory and wrath is straight up khorne
Let's have some extra lore, for more wisdom appeases the great changer! To make it through the great crystal mazes and endless Labyrinth of Tzeentch, a person has to travel through 9 gates. Each gate will have a mouth above it, the "guardian of the maze". The entity is unknown truly and will at every gate ask the traveller one of the 999 riddles of Tzaratxoth. Those who answer correct will pass through, those who do not will wander the maze forever Only once has anyone ever correctly answered and passed through all 9 gates. Many of the stories of this person show them to be a young girl, with a small black dog
The Flamers produce flames with completly random effects too! It can burn to a crisp, change you completly to something else, be a little refreshing breeze or even a healing fire😊
Shortstack goblins are top tier Bricky is becoming less based by the minute I'm guessing he never played Twilight Princess because Midna cannot be beat Also Shy's editing is amazing
Just as they were talking about Tzeentch’s connections to Egyptian culture I got a notification for a video titled something like “Why the Ancient Egyptians went Extinct” I feel like the Changer of Ways is up to something here…
When I saw the title, my brain immediately started to play the Vsauce theme and began imagining a video of the indecisive mollusk trying to convince us chaos both is and is not evil and how the parodox makes perfect sense.
My new head cannon is that depending on how nice his breakfast was Like he had a really nice bacon sandwich on a weekend so a random mortal gets like immense psyker powers and near or no downsides and gets out alive While if TZEENCH had like 6 grapes for breakfast he just tortures and moulds mortals that enter into fucking clay pots
1:00:44 Bricky mentions the impossible robe, the relic that gives a 4+ invul save, essentially making them as durable as a Custodes. There is a neat catch, once per game you can re roll that save of it fails, if you land a 1 on that re roll, the wearer immediately dies.
You would ask Tzeentch a question, and that question leads to three more questions and those questions lead to the heat death of the universe which asks four answers to those questions and then he thinks to himself "What are questions even really? And are you even asking the questions? Or are you simply giving paths to answers?" -Bricky describing Tzeentch in a nutshell.
DK "You could want something completely good, and proper, and for the betterment of the people: and Tzeench can still sort of trick you and corrupt you into WHOOPS YOU ACCIDENTALLY KILLED EVERYONE!" Magnus "..."
An important bit of Tzeench lore is that it used to be the strongest chaos god, but the other chaos gods came together to defeat Tzzench and instead of being defeated it shattered it's crystal staff in surrender, losing a lot of power. The shards of the staff supposedly spread across the universe and that was the birth of sorcery.
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You see Tzeentch made sure that matt ward would become a writer at GW ensuring that the Ultramarines would be over represented, while at the same time he would also influence the creation of orks so that shy would get into warhammer, thus that would make it so years later she would invite bricky in order to make Adeptus rediculus and DK would sell his soul to Tzeentchb ALL ACCORDING TO PLAN !
Love Tzeentch, favourite chaos God His sacred number is my favourite, I love magic and the idea of using trickery to win instead of strength and most of this before even really hearing of him
I know that y'all aren't as into Age of Sigmar but I do want to bring up the Silver Towers of Tzeentch. They are run by nine of Tzeentch's Gaunt Summoners who are these powerful mages, they basically exist as dungeons and challenge points to entertain Tzeentch by luring adventurers in with promises of treasure and rewards, and often not fulfilling their promises. The Silver towers can travel between the Mortal Realms of AOS with little Rhyme or Reason, being in the Realm of Fire one day, only to be in the Realm of Beasts the next. They're kind of a trippy microcosm of Tzeentch's realm without being in the realm of Chaos.
completely irrelevent to the episode itself: Seeing Brickys reaction to Goblin-posting was great for me since, I literally make a living off drawing goblins.
"How bad is 40k? It's so bad that there's a god of hope, and the god of hope is evil."
Well, hope is evil, if you think about it you realize it is the only thing that actually hurts, If you have no hope you have no pain, a man with no desire is invincible; want none, suffer none.
@@RamnaViaz This was written by a Death Guard Chaplain.
@@RamnaViazi think if a bee stings you, you would suffer.
The god of honor is bloodthirsty, the god of life spreads disease and the god of pleasure loves torture ;)
@@RamnaViaz Without hope you only have despair tho, hope at least allows the mindset for a better life.
My favourite piece with Tzeentch is still that time he lost at a children´s card game to a wayward member of the custodes.
You mean Paradox-Billiards-Vostroyan-Roulette-Fourth-Dimensional-Hypercube-Chess-Strip Poker?
Kaiba's rocket got to them and they learned how to duel.
@@akumaking1 I mean, it would be mostly just DK reacting, cause I'm pretty sure Shy and Bricky have seen all of TTS at this point... (It's like a must watch for anyone who's even slightly into 40K lore)
@@jack90054 Strong disagree, TTS makes me cringe and it plays out like a bad fanfiction.
@@jack90054 im pretry sure he isnt that interested in TTS
Someone described seeing Tzeentch to me as: “if you see a guy who says he saw tzeentch and tries to describe something, he’s a liar. If you see a guy frothing at the mouth who clawed his own eye out and is now saying something that sounds like they could be trying to say Tzeentch but their too busy making guttural noises and hiding from water on an ocean planet? That guy MIGHT have seen Tzeentch out of the corner of his eye.”
Shy's face slowly changing into a different expression, the little whispers and shadows across the screen... gotta love the subtle things added to this episode!
Nah, you just have a gas leak.
@@trent9810 you might be right
The candles burn green
And i thought i was going schyzo
Fuck I thought I was going crazy.
Didn’t notice shys face at all
"Magnus the Red was the nerd-nerd, Lorgar was the bible studying nerd" And obviously Perturabo was the third kind of nerd. _Stares directly into the camera_
All the other kids with the pumped up kicks-
Sometimes you just have to turn the Cranky Tank in to a Rage Cage.
Fuck you, Rogal Dorn.
The incel?
I also think Gulliman as well is a bit of a nerd about the worldbuilding grand strategy stuff
@@ZedGarbiel05 Oh ye, Guilliman stats nerd for sure.
The Tzeentch video does not arrive late to the other chaos gods. He arrives at exactly the time he planned it to be.
*OR DID HE???*
Really though, what are plans
And what does it mean to be late? Is it before? Or is it only once the heat death of the universe occurs?
What even is time?
good use of that gandalf quote
much approve
Lots of folks posting favourite Tzeentch quotes, so here's mine.
"I'll never serve your cause", said Dathan, "Never. I will always betray you because I am a man, and Mankind is all that stands in the way of things like you and the ultimate annihilation of everything."
"Nothing stands in the way of the ultimate annihilation of everything," Tzeentch said. "In the end, everything possessed of life returns to air, and ash, and dust. Everything possessed of energy returns to lifelessness. All that matters is how things burn - not how quickly, but *how* . I need enemies, Dathan, more than I need allies. There is nothing quite so precious to me as a traitor."
what is that from?
@@Alexander_the_Greatest Pawns of Chaos
"In the end, everything possessed of life returns to air, and ash, and dust."
Nurgle would be so proud to hear his arch-rival say that.
@@THExRISER Tis a truth Tzeentch must acknowledge, regardless of how it pains him to say it.
@@redgunnit Just like Nurgle must acknowledge that change is inevitable.
Both Gods embody two opposite aspects of entropy, and you can't have one without the other.
couple tidbits i'd like to add because tzeentch is amazing:
Those flamers of tzeentch? Their flames don't always burn. Their flames have built in RNG that can cause someone to smell sweet, get covered in wine, burn away their soul and not their flesh or make them immune to all fire. In a similar vein there is the Mutalith Vortex Beast, a massive daemon that has a giant rift into the warp open on it's back that radiates magical effects. It can cause people to turn inside out, vaporize an enemy, give healing properties to anyone near it or give a random nearby person the exact power necessary to kill a Mutalith Vortex Beast. The self-defeating randomness of Tzeentch is my favorite part of his lore.
Tzeench likes tables
Reminds me of skaven war machines chance to self destruct.
Yeah but thoae are only regular flamers the exalted flames are exalted because they get the ability to control it
@@sergejmartac3842 that is correct, thank you for reminding me of our glorious exalted Burney bois
Basically Noita
I think it's hilarious how often DK's first gut instinct on the quote is always so much closer to the mark than the answer he ends with.
I'm disappointed bricky didn't use the best quote for Ghargatuloth:
'You just had to look around you, Grey Knight, and you'd have seen it. What is Chaos? Suffering, you might say. Oppression. Deceit. But could not all these things be said of your Imperium? You hunt down the talented and the strong-willed. You break them or sacrifice them. You lie to your citizens and wage war on those who dare speak out. The inquisitors you call masters assume guilt and execute millions on a whim. And why? Why do you do this?
Because you know Chaos is there but you do not know how to fight it, so you crush your own citizens for fear that they might aid the Enemy. The Imperium suffers because of Chaos. No matter how hard you fight, that will never change. Chaos exists in a state of permanent victory over you - you dance to our tune, mortal one, you butcher and torture and repress one another because the gods of the warp require you to. The Imperium is founded on Chaos. My lord Tzeentch won your war a long, long time ago.'
_"My lord Tzeentch won your war a long, long time ago."_
That is just applause worthy.
Just the thought of all the hardships and pain, all those bitter victory, and attrition upon attrition, not only was it a losing battle, but it has always been a lost battle from the very start.
Victory was *never* on the board.
@@jocosesonata and dk would have still got the quote wrong
@@jocosesonata Late to say this but as someone pointed out Tzneetch is the one person that not just inspite of, but BECAUSE of his power he will never win. Tzneetch is the god of change. Change ends the moment he wins and Tzneetch has been known to self sabotage on purpose and occasionally on accident. Tzneetch will never win even if he had the power to do so.
You didn't talk about the blue scribes :( one of the funniest duos in 40k, two brothers with access to the most powerful magic in existence, but one of them can write magic but can't understand his own writing, and the other can read spells but can't understand them so they go around the battlefield randomly throwing insanely powerful spells
Aaaand that's going in the list for dnd oneshot characters.
If grots could be psykers.
Goals
According to Jungian psychology, there is the concept of the animus and the anima, as well as the inner child it's safe to say, that yes, there is just a little guy within us all.
Shut
Just a tiny man
Little Guy, potential incarnate
Kids are cruel, Jack
I believe that concept was borrowed from Alchemists back in the day when chemistry was still viewed as magic. A Homunculus just means “tiny man” which the reason for the name in itself is a rabbit hole but a long story short is that it’s believed theirs literally tiny people in us making our bodies function like it should “why can we see? It’s because theirs a tiny man gathering that information behind our eyes. Why can we hear voices when we think? It’s a tiny man in our heads that’s churning out ideas” it was just made a little more metaphorical once reaching psychology.
One of the wildest things about Tzeentch is the fact that he also represents hope... he literally is behind your ear when you want things to be better.
In the Ahriman trilogy Tzeentch tells him that he is his favorite human, and his favorite servant, because despite betraying the imperium, despite ruining the golden throne and dooming the human webway, and then literally betraying his genefather Magnus, and using a spell that turned so many of his loyal soldiers into dust slaves....
AHRIMAN STILL HAVES HOPE! he still hopes and plans and schemes homehow hoping that next time...the next thing will work out...somehow he will fix the spell, he will be accepted by Magnus again, he will stop the Thousand Sons' mutations, all will be perfect! Ahriman is mad enough to think there is a way out of this hell, he still hopes he can fix this shit...
Broh if you really want to get wacky, because he represents change as well as hope with him living, all of the 4 gods can be killed, as it would be right in line with his idea that everything is possible. The only snag would be you have to kill all 4 all at once because if any of them dont die simoultanously the world would probably get all sorts of fucked.
That's... Beautiful honestly. In a weird, obscure chaos-y way
Well, he's kinda right tbh
Haves
Ah the tragedy of Ahriman
The Changling once used his shape-shifting ability to pluck some apples from Slaanesh's nice gardens and yeet them over to Nurgle's rot garden, prompting a massive fight between the gods.
Employee of the "month" right there.
bro whoopie cushioned khorne
I find it funny that Shy, sovereign of sh*tposts, is scared of the Tzeenchian coruptions
I think that's exactly why, if tzeench gets her she'll burn out making nothing but shitposts ;-)
She is more susceptible to his fuckery as she comprehends and doesn't comprehend they more
@@Sara3346 she’ll turn into a gaping maw and arms, forever plucking shitposts from her unwashed fangs so tzeentch has new memes to post on the chaos discord server
And that she also likes the alpha legion
Fun fact: a little girl and her black dog went into tzeentch’s maze
Solved every puzzle and avoided all the daemons and traps
And even he was baffled at what happened
Some theories say that due to her innocence and ignorance of the world she was able to escape
Other theories say she was Delirium of the Endless.
I thought that was the emperor?
It's simple really, just follow the yellow brick road
Since tzeench is ever changing, they could be canonically a 12 feet tall cat girl
DO NOT GIVE THE INTERNET IDEAS!
he could also be grass
That sounds specific are you sure you aren't referring of a certain form of a certain being?
He's more likely a patch of grass. Cat girls would most likely be Slaanesh's jurisdiction.
@@Zakvadr1995 *Cackles* You ASSUME it hasn't been DONE! It has. MAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Tzeentch is notable for actually having one of the biggest "pet the dog" moments in 40k. That being he thought Ahriman did such a good job being his favorite champion Tzeentch wanted to gift him with "oblivion." Basically wipe his soul from existence.
Considering every other Chaos follower is destined to an eternity of damnation and suffering with their souls being devoured by daemons. It was probably the kindest thing a Chaos god could "gift" someone. His court of Daemons were completely shocked. Though he did reconsider later on.
Oblivion even better then daemon hood, since you die has you are, no warp fuckery, no personality change, you are who you are.
“You would ask Tzeentch a question, and that question leads to three more questions, and those questions lead to the heat death of the universe, which provides four answers to those questions. Then he thinks to himself “What are questions really, and are you even asking the questions? Or are you simply giving paths to answers”
(Bricky, warhammer 40k factions part 2)
-Congratulations you now know everything you need to about tzeentch and at the same time you know nothing. Or Mabye you know particular information about him? Coke to think about what is information, is it simply facts form different points of veiw or is nothing said set in stone! We shall see.(just as planned)
I can only read this in the TTS voice
Yup. Needs coke to understand
And this is why I'd probably take the ork approach to anything Tzeentchian.
And I would respond with “Yes we are giving paths to answers because questions are just the beginning to the path to an answer.”
@@DetectiveLance Beating the ever loving shit out of it?
>Barges in
>”Just as planned”
>Refuses to elaborate
>Leaves
"I challenge you to Paradox Billiards Vostroyan Roulette Fourth Dimensional Hypercube Chess Strip Poker!"
I WILL START MY TURN BY PLAYING POT OF GREED WHICH ALLOWS ME TO DRAW TWO MORE CARDS.
(possibly laughing) Most Interesting
I will demonstrate The MIGHT Imperium of man by using cute little animal's!
I miss Text To Speech so much…
@@Keyfur91 we all do.
36:50 not even the chaos gods could 1v1 tzeentch, it took them all together to shatter tzeentch and only cause tzeentch wanted to be shattered cause it would be boring if he won the great game.
gork and mork would absolutely destroy him in battle
@@isuckatusernames4297
Their combined orky stupidity overthrows tzeentchs manipulations and trickery and beat tzeentch To death.
@@brok56 tzeentch would transpose khorne between itself and gork/mork saying khorne would be a more interesting fight for them and then dip out.
@@iamnotglenn They would probably still beat Khorne XD.
There is a reason why none of the chaos gods fucks with eternal duel of Gork and Mork, they are just too powerful to be unshackled from it and united to fight against someone else.
@@brok56 This is a very late reply I know but I now I like to think that if/when Tzeentch tries to fuck with Gork n Mork through some overly convoluted hyper scheme boiling down to 'throw Khorne at them' that it always ends in Gork n Mork getting the better of Tzeentch by sheer accident. Like Tzeentch gets Khorne riled up and pointed at the Green bois they start going at it yadda yadda then sometime later Gork/Mork/Khorne just gets thrown through a wall or some shit and bodies Tzeentch completely by accident before Gork/Mork/Khorne gets right back up and at it, completely oblivious to the fact they smashed into Tzeentch.
Tzeench-“I’m not in your walls, look around you, you’ve been in my walls all along”
I think Cleveland works better as Nurgle's realm, Tzeentch's is supposed to be a place of hope
london ?
Cleveland for Nurgle, Detroit (or maybe Mogadiscio, the capital of Somalia) for Khorne, Amsterdam for Slaanesh.
@@matiasyannuzzi9655 Chicago for Tzeentch because everyone's corrupt and out for themselves
...so Tzeentch's realm is Washington, D.C.: supposedly a land of hopes and dreams and ambitions and progress, but in truth a cesspit of lies and treachery and ever-fleeting whims that inevitably lead to ruin.
What would be the best city for Slaanesh then? Bangkok, or just all of Thailand?
Shortstack dummy thicc Gretchin poster when? I'm certain this would be a big help to the 40k community.
Hell yeah brother!
BROTHERRRRRR!!!
While that is good in most worlds…
A Gretchen is a wretch that deserves execution.
Honestly Tzeench has a really cool concept and aesthetic.
He is truly peak chaos.
My favourite part about tzeentch demons is the changeling that infiltrated the rock and fucked with the dark angels - until he run into a watcher in the dark, started freaking out and pissing his pants because that thing scared the shit out of him for some reason.
The power of a true Little Guy
M:“Must get more power“
T: “Hey kid you like books and being a smart ass?”
M: ABSOLUTELY!!!
I'm really sad the Bricky didn't talk about the Lost Human girl and her pet dog that navigates the impossible fortress 1st try. Tzeench and Fateweiver where both like "WHAAAT?"
my favorite part about that is that the "girl" isn't really a girl, it's something in the shape of a girl iirc
@@gabrielmirandahurtado6539 we don't know exactly what she/it was. It's probably an Alice in Wonderland reference (so I've heard atleast never watched it)
@@luck_adiante I have also heard that it is a Wizard of Oz reference
I always considered it being the emperor (the child) and malcador ( the dog) screwing with tzeentch because they wanted a break from playing regicide / 4D Chess…
@@alexmartin3191 maybe I misremembered the fairy tale
I imagine Tzeentch looks like one of those AI generated photos that make you think you know what you're looking at but you can't make anything out
My work here is done. Chaos reigns, and Bricky remains perpetually perturbed.
All just as planned...
Time to go back fourth dimensional-hypercube-vostroyan-strip poker.
The change of Shys face as the room changes and as shadows run across the screen is a fun addition
I love your editing Shy, Those sounds cracked me up, and the change in the colors of the flames is a cool detail too. ;)
The background also has purple tentacles/smoke in the background. Many aspects of change.
AMONG US
Ah man I was hoping Bricky would bring up the time a little girl and her dog made it through his whole maze/realm thing and nobody in Tzeech's employ not even himself or the Fateweaver can figure out how the heck she did it
And tzeentch probably laughed whatever he has instead of an ass off
Side note, pretty sure that was a Wizard of Oz Dorathy reference.
What book was this?
@@AsprinceRemix i wish I knew, I only heard it from other Warhammer youtubers
Toto, I've seen some s@$#
Has anyone ever ask Tzeentch, "Bro, can you not, right now?"
I think he would stop wilding out like he do.
Whether you agree or disagree, you'd be surprised.
It'd work at least 50 percent of the time
25:14
This reminds me of Galactus. Thor essentially described him as a force of nature so primeval and undeniable, and simultaneously unknowable that he appears as a version of whatever species is viewing him. The fact that he's always been a gigantic humanoid comes from the fact that it's the human audience that's seeing him.
I could imagine Tzeench being the most powerful of the Chaos God's since change is always happening with the other Gods.
Tzeench: Hey Khorne what are you doing?
Khorne: Oh I'm just adding more skulls to my throne.
Tzeench: Guess you could say your throne is...changing?
Khorne: Fuck you Tzeench!
The problem is that Tzeentch doesn't have full control over his sphere of influence, or himself for that matter. He can't enforce stagnancy and order on to his work as it runs contrary to his nature, so inevitably things slip out of his grasp and go against his intentions, including himself, as his machinations run contrary to one another. For Tzeentch, the 1st perfect plan is inconsequential to the 2nd, and that 2nd plan inconsequential to the 3rd, which is in itself invalidated by the 1st; Tzeentch can't help but change his mind constantly, and the fact he is an omniscient being that perceives time in a non-linear fashion complicates things IMMENSELY because his past, present, and future selves are planning around one another just as much as the other Chaos Gods and the Emperor.
As much as I'm excited for Tzeench, Magnus, and the Thousand Sons, I know I'm going to be saddened to not see the Blood Ravens come after them. Even when it would very fitting with the Magpies being sons of Magnus.
Post Watch Comment: This has got to be the best episode thanks to all the edits and Tzeench stuff that was added into this. Shy you are the best and we love you for all you effort. Best Episode by far and that jumpscare at the end really caught me off guard.
Has this actually been confirmed recently? Last time I looked it up the only connection was they had a higher than usual Psykers. That sounds like a strong connection, but wouldnt that mean you’d have a ton of lower level psykers in their ranks?
Also i kinda remember a book showing TSons turning into dust retroactively because of time travel shenanigans. Which means low-non psykers being rubrik marines.
@@ItoOni_ Yeah, I fully believe they are word bearers because of Eliphas, calling them brothers not cousins in dark crusade.
Grey Knights with pure Noble-Shard geneseed was my theory
reset the damn clock
@@Da_Shark That's Blood Angels not Blood Ravens
Man the wispers in the background and the subtle shadows traverisng the screen where a nice but creepy touch for the episode XD
okay so im not going crazy... good to know
"Do you hear the voices to?"
Bricky: "...a crawling mass of flesh"
Shy: *picture of your mother*
Give Shy a medal!
tzeentch is the most powerful of the dark gods. hes so powerful he has to constantly sabotage himself so he doesnt win and ruin the game.
He truly is the god of gamers who won't use half their kit in a game because they've already sunk 2000 hours into it.
It's not sabotage, it going JUST AS PLANNED NYEHEHEHEHE
Tzeentch is the example of "I have all the cheat codes and OP items in my basement but would it be fun if any of them handed to someone or if I use it myself? I think not." He is a game master of this cruel universe.
The fact that, while, room was slowly corrupted by Tzeentch, Shy was terrified and Bricky was smiling, truly shows who is Chad in the room.
You would ask Tzeentch a question, and that question leads to three more questions and those questions lead to the heat death of the universe which asks four answers to those questions and then he thinks to himself "What are questions even really? And are you even asking the questions? Or are you simply giving paths to answers?"
And I would respond with “Yes we are giving paths to answers because questions are just the beginning to an answer.”
AND OTHER HORSESHIT
Nice "Every single Warhammer 40k (WH40k) Faction Explained | Part 2" quote for Tzeentch
Interesting thing about Tzeentch is that though Khorne is said to be the one who was the first to manifest out of the four, his sacred number is '8' while Tzeentch's sacred number is '9,' suggesting that, somehow, Tzeentch has some sort of seniority over them.
I did read somewhere that the current Tzeentch is actually the _second_ version of the god, with the first being an ultra-powerful and fundamentally different version that was only destroyed when the other Chaos Gods teamed up against it...
I think the concept of change has existed longer than the concept of violence
to me the order always went: nurgle, tzeetch, khorne and slanesh
@@isuckatusernames4297 Same. Khorne may have been the first to awaken in any meaningful sense, but Tzeentch and Nurgle represent concepts fundamental to the universe and life itself before the advent of sentience, rage, and bloodlust.
@@Brutalyte616 From what I understand, he's centered in conflict, with war & violence just being the more extreme examples. I remember his Black Crusade rpg book saying something like "anything from feral beasts hunting prey to a supernova consuming worlds."
@30:12
"Bricky: Being in this area would make you go insane"
Shy: Shows picture of Cleveland...
I can confirm this.
Bricky: "I didn't need to know that Adeptus Ridiculus R34 existed"
Tzeentch: "Hello"
Okey shy, i really got some chills whenever you added some little changes on the video. Well done
I like the idea of a Library full of talking books calling one another out for being full of shit.
Note that the Genie screwing you over isn't in the original legends of the djinn. Often it was misunderstandings or the genie being unable to fulfill your request. Being punished for greed a la monkey's paw is more recent mythology.
That's why you be as specific as humanly possible when making a wish!
Not possible. There are meanings to words that you won't consider or turns of phrase that are completely natural to you but would hit different to an outsider. A fully explained wish that has no wiggle room would read like a legal document.
I was told that genies misinterpret wishes on purpose because they don't want to grant them: they are trapped in objects and slaves to whoever find those, they are understandably mad about it.
I don't know where this story comes from, but i like it because it makes sense in a very human way, the genie has feeling and desires too
Jesus... the subtle change from "normal" to smoke and green flames and Shy looking VERY worried... wow!
I did not actually realize it was happening until about minute 40. REALLY well done.
Nyarlethotep seems like the inspiration for Tzeentch.
I think all of the chaos gods are inspired by lovecraftian or mythological gods to some extend. Tzeentch seems very similar to Nyarlothep but leaning slightly more towards a loki-style trickster vibe.
Nurgle and a lot of his followers give me Major Tsathoggua from lovecraft vibes mixed with some Nergal from mesopotamian religion, who was a god of plague and pestilence also.
Khorne is pretty much just straight up Ares with some inspiration from the Christian devil
Slanesh seems like a mix of Hedona, Algea and Da Ji. She's kind of a classical demon succubus but instead of being a minor demon she's an entire ass god
@@suppmydiff3257 Funny enough in a story featuring Nyarlethotep, he pretends to be Loki.
@@suppmydiff3257 i would think slannesh is kinda based on lucifer since her entire realm is about the 7 sins and her favorite is pride
@@gigablast4129 Her realm is not based on the seven sins. Its based on like one maybe-at-a-stretch 2 of them
Sloth and gluttony is very distinctly a nurgle thing
Vainglory and wrath is straight up khorne
Let's have some extra lore, for more wisdom appeases the great changer!
To make it through the great crystal mazes and endless Labyrinth of Tzeentch, a person has to travel through 9 gates. Each gate will have a mouth above it, the "guardian of the maze". The entity is unknown truly and will at every gate ask the traveller one of the 999 riddles of Tzaratxoth. Those who answer correct will pass through, those who do not will wander the maze forever
Only once has anyone ever correctly answered and passed through all 9 gates. Many of the stories of this person show them to be a young girl, with a small black dog
tzeentch is canonically the wizard of oz
What the dog doin tho
Shy you memelord. Loved the tiny sounds throughout the episode as well as the small visual changes. And that ending 😙👌perfect.
simp
My stomach started churning at the end with whatever that noise was for 5 seconds. Then. *spoiler* lmao
Man, those whispers and a running shade at 15:56 really got me a few times.
14:30 - wh1sperz
18:53 - Amogus
23:35 - Clawk
27:44 - AMOGUS
33:24 - uh oh.....stinkiiiieeee
37:16 - *vibe check*
42:51 - A M O G U S
52:10 - big farded
1:04:27 - A surprise.
there is whispering at 14:30
@@carcionpetto So there is!
Tzeentch is best described as trying to draw a music player background
The Flamers produce flames with completly random effects too! It can burn to a crisp, change you completly to something else, be a little refreshing breeze or even a healing fire😊
14:30 Okay, adding whispers here is a Tzeetch worthy thing
Shortstack goblins are top tier
Bricky is becoming less based by the minute
I'm guessing he never played Twilight Princess because Midna cannot be beat
Also Shy's editing is amazing
Bricky is becoming more based by the moment
Just as they were talking about Tzeentch’s connections to Egyptian culture I got a notification for a video titled something like “Why the Ancient Egyptians went Extinct”
I feel like the Changer of Ways is up to something here…
When I saw the title, my brain immediately started to play the Vsauce theme and began imagining a video of the indecisive mollusk trying to convince us chaos both is and is not evil and how the parodox makes perfect sense.
This podcast is on another level when it comes to entertaining shenanigans.
My new head cannon is that depending on how nice his breakfast was
Like he had a really nice bacon sandwich on a weekend so a random mortal gets like immense psyker powers and near or no downsides and gets out alive
While if TZEENCH had like 6 grapes for breakfast he just tortures and moulds mortals that enter into fucking clay pots
1:00:44
Bricky mentions the impossible robe, the relic that gives a 4+ invul save, essentially making them as durable as a Custodes.
There is a neat catch, once per game you can re roll that save of it fails, if you land a 1 on that re roll, the wearer immediately dies.
Nice touch on the foreground art, I definitely didn't notice the slow encroaching energy until it was too late
to Quote Magnus the red when he was with Tzeentch "ARGH I HAVE NIPPLES ON MY HEAD!!!"
You would ask Tzeentch a question, and that question leads to three more questions and those questions lead to the heat death of the universe which asks four answers to those questions and then he thinks to himself "What are questions even really? And are you even asking the questions? Or are you simply giving paths to answers?"
-Bricky describing Tzeentch in a nutshell.
the image at 29:40 made me laugh far more than it should have.
Thank you Shy
I always thought of Tzeentchs realm looking like a shifting AI art scape.
DK "You could want something completely good, and proper, and for the betterment of the people: and Tzeench can still sort of trick you and corrupt you into WHOOPS YOU ACCIDENTALLY KILLED EVERYONE!"
Magnus "..."
16:05 to hope for the future, to hope for improvement, to hope for goodness, is to hope that things CHANGE, and thus is of his realm
I like all the subtle visual and audio changes. When I saw the shadow run by the screen, I had to go back just to make sure I wasn't seeing things.
Timestamp?
@@matthewmatthew981 15:54
An important bit of Tzeench lore is that it used to be the strongest chaos god, but the other chaos gods came together to defeat Tzzench and instead of being defeated it shattered it's crystal staff in surrender, losing a lot of power. The shards of the staff supposedly spread across the universe and that was the birth of sorcery.
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2:28 he saw his Gretchen ShortStack OC for the first time.
HELL YEAH! I was waiting for the Tzeentch episode! I'm a Tzeentch follower, my lord has finally arrived!
"Kairos you're going in the well."
"Ba-gock!?"
The best part of that 9mm pistole joke is that the pistole Brickie is holding isn't even traditionally 9mm.
You see Tzeentch made sure that matt ward would become a writer at GW ensuring that the Ultramarines would be over represented, while at the same time he would also influence the creation of orks so that shy would get into warhammer, thus that would make it so years later she would invite bricky in order to make Adeptus rediculus and DK would sell his soul to Tzeentchb ALL ACCORDING TO PLAN !
"We do a little trolling here" Tzeentch probably
Yooo the detail of the darkness surrounding the characters are amaizing hahaha
Love Tzeentch, favourite chaos God
His sacred number is my favourite, I love magic and the idea of using trickery to win instead of strength and most of this before even really hearing of him
You can tell tzeentch had a hand in how many merch shirts were left over
Highly recommend the Ahriman omnibus for really cool Tzeentch stuff. Lots of weird warp fuckery and the Changeling is actually scary in it.
I always see Tzeentch as looking like one of those bird enemies in dark crystal
Thank you all for another great episode, and thank YOU, Shy, for truly making it special, right to the last second.
The voices, the shadows moving, all the things happening in the backround freaked me out a lot, great episode
I love how every time I look up it just get's wackier. Also damn it shy the ending got me.
My favorite part of Tzeentch is their human persona called "Sseth"
Hey Hey People!
@@almondsai7214Sseth here
On tonight's episode of adgear, DK goes full dgen, bricky transcends into daemonhood, and shy unknowingly summons a being with greater power than her.
I know that y'all aren't as into Age of Sigmar but I do want to bring up the Silver Towers of Tzeentch. They are run by nine of Tzeentch's Gaunt Summoners who are these powerful mages, they basically exist as dungeons and challenge points to entertain Tzeentch by luring adventurers in with promises of treasure and rewards, and often not fulfilling their promises. The Silver towers can travel between the Mortal Realms of AOS with little Rhyme or Reason, being in the Realm of Fire one day, only to be in the Realm of Beasts the next. They're kind of a trippy microcosm of Tzeentch's realm without being in the realm of Chaos.
A shortstack goblin returning would be great lol
Somebody called For Tzeentch?
TZEENTCH NUTS
I still find it hilarious that my mom finds the Flamers of Tzeentch really really cute.
If you lose you can say
“Exactly as planned”
8:18 denying it so vehemently bricky will only make our desire to lewd grow stronger!
The Dark Magician approves of this episode! Dark Magic Attack! ✨TZEENTCH SUPREME✨
33:23 I like the little poot with reverb sfx when bricky says nurgle
"Neko-Neko Bitch" was a raw ass line
completely irrelevent to the episode itself:
Seeing Brickys reaction to Goblin-posting was great for me since, I literally make a living off drawing goblins.