DODGE has been SCAMMING/CHEATING Dodge Owners Since 2015 with Same HEMI, but HIGHER PRICES!
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DODGE has been SCAMMING/CHEATING us for 7 Years & we do NOTHING about it! Dodge has NOT changed the Charger or Challenger since they first introduced the Hellcat & ScatPack 2015. Same Engine, Same Body, but HIGHER PRICES!!! (MUST WATCH)...
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The problem is really on us as the consumers. It’s exactly how you explained; one person will see the crazy price difference and pass on the car but the next person will pay that easily and when these manufacturers see no one is fighting back on the prices, of course they will continue to ask for more and more.
100% facts
Agreed!! Facts!!
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Dodge has sold a ton of them. Hellcats and Scat Packs are just getting into more money than brains. If consumers are willing to pay 100k for Hellcat, you can bet they don’t give 2 cents about us income restrained folks.
@@edwarddavis596 and not to mention rappers cosigning it.
Glad I got my Scat new in 2016 for 38k. These prices are out of hand.
My 2016 charger I paid 49k fully loaded. The irony I paid 54k for a 2020 Widebody challenger last year with 9k miles. What that tell u about how the pricing went up.
Paid 34k for a 16 in 2022! 67k miles on it , but loaded to the max minus the shaker hood which i dont like anyways !
Fully loaded bro? I got mine last year fully loaded for 45k 😅
@@FranciscoHernandez-dq7rf yea minus the shaker. It has everything. Heated and cool seats sun roof you name it. I got had i know but to me it was worth it
I got my 18 scat for 38k too out the gate with 19,000 miles on it. I got my shit when covid first started. I can say we got our shit at the right time before they spiked the price up.
I got mine for $5500 from auction because it had Bullet Holes all down the side and in the trunk 🤣🤣 I patched them up and cleaned out the lead and the blood and I'm good to go :)
Lmfaoo
Bro I think I'm the one that shot that car up.
@@jessicapynn3067 could have been ;)
@@cupwalker24.7 change the paint on it
Dodge took a cheap vehicle gave it a hell of an engine, put it on a commercial and America was hooked. The demand was so high that Dodge put that engine in everything they had, and charge everyone a hell of a lot more money and it worked. Great job Dodge
Marketing at its best that’s why I waited to get one lol
@@teejay36001 it's pretty sad when you buy a vehicle and you owe twice as much then what the vehicles worth, that's not marketing that's Madness, but you know what the good book says, a fool and his money will soon depart!
They were so successful because they offered so many engine choices. The people who started with an SXT or RT wanted more power, so they traded up to a scat. They people who started off with Scats traded up to Hellcats. The people who started in Hellcats traded up to Redeys/Jailbreaks. Then the wide bodies dropped. Now you have all the same people trading back in for a widebody.
Yup
That's what I did. Started with an 18 Challenger RT traded in for a 19 WB Challenger Scat traded in for a 20 Charger Hellcat got stolen went to a 21 Challenger WB Scat Shaker 6speed and finally back to a 22 Challenger Hellcat.
@@patrickcooper2760 .......got stolen went to a 2016 dart
They marked up them 5.7L also. See them going brand new for almost 55k.
Lmao that’s crazy
I really feel Dodge has only gotten away with this due to a certain segment of car culture loving these vehicles..
Asian people right?
@@Jack-pb2bc oh definitely 😂
Bout it
Mannn I remember I seen a guy on RUclips who got a slim body scat for like $45k (yall might’ve seen the video I forgot his name)…….now RT’s are going for that much 😭 if you got a RT or scat during covid YOU’RE BLESSED
I was blessed, got my 2020 for 43,000
I bought my 2016 R/T HEMI during the pandemic used for 21k
Bought My 1320 in November of 2020 53k out the door now its 2years Old and can get 55k
Great video, Knockout. I got my 2020 Charger Hellcat for $70,000 fully loaded. Saw a 2023 same spec as my cat for $128,900, and as you say, someone was looking at it.
The 3.6L V6 Pentastar with the ZF 8 speed transmission is an amazing power train. I get decent grunt and good mpg.
My average on my 13 challenger sxt with the 5 speed Nag1 transmission barely 20 mpg combined
@@FranciscoHernandez-dq7rf That's terrible. I get 30 mpg highway a lot of the time and average around 23 24 city/combined.
my 2018 SXT Plus Challenger averaged 15 mpg for my daily commute... nothing to write home about.
@@S8ER That's awful. Using regular mineral engine oil? Try a synthetic blend. Or go easier on the gas pedal.
@@esteban1487 synthetics the entire time…. you just have to realize not everyone has the same commute. It can take an hour to drive 9 miles during rush and even normal clear days you’re spending half the trip sitting at stop lights. When I lived in BFE I drove a 450hp 2001 Z28 (modded T56 car) and my average was 25-26mpg every week for over a decade. When I moved to a city that same car started averaging 15.5mpg (which was hilariously slightly better than the V6 challenger on the same commute).
I wanted a scat for years right before I went to go get one finally the prices skyrocketed so I ended up with a camaro ss lol
Better choice honestly… blessing In disguise 😂
@christianmenendez8039 true lol put 50k miles on my camaro ss in less than two years no issues
Understandable 😂
What made you get a bright red Camaro. 👍🏻
@@ChrisMenendez609 You shouldn’t agree with him, because part of the Charger came from Mexico and you should be supporting Mexico and all things coming from there. Please do not become to Americanized” that you lose focus on who you’re and where you come from. 🇲🇽 👍🏻
People willingly bought those cars for exactly the reason you were saying. The CAT and the SCAT are the too most bad ass looking mussel cars of our time I can guarantee you what’s coming won’t hold a candle to these iconic mussel cars. 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Definitely will be a timeless classic in the future especially the widebody
RT looks the same dont leave out the OG
I actually stopped driving them for a few years because there were so many and nothing changed. I bought another Charger when the Widebody models came out. I bought my Corporate lease Widebody. I never pay that new price MSRP 😎
Does that mean you work for dodge ? Not familiar with corporate lease ?
@Mr. Johnson Just retired after 33 years. We were eligible for 2 corporate lease cars We had to switch cars every year or buy the one that we were driving. We paid for them at a cheap rate. They covered everything such as insurance maintenance and unlimited miles.
@@dbrock1921 That’s really dope I wonder how soon you could get that benefit
@@mr.johnson3889 I'm still on the program. They let you stay on when you retire. It's a great program 👍 😀
I went out bought myself a very clean in good shape pickup for $11k spent 8k now I got a 600-650 sleeper paid in full!! 💵💵💵💵
I could have had a loaded Challenger Scatpack in early 2021 for $45k out the door.
Base Scats are still under $50k MSRP. Base Challenger Hellcat is ~$70 MSRP.
You're now just realizing how old the L-cars are?? Really the 2015 Charger was a minor cosmetic update: refreshed front and rear clips, and updated uconnect, but the interior was unchanged save for color combos.. Yes the 6.2 SC was new, but in an already outdated platform. So really the Charger has remained as-is since 2011. Challenger is the same way- mostly unchanged since 2008, save for minor front end and rear end treatments, the Hellcat and a new interior for 15'- but only because the 08'+ interiors were god awful. The "wide-body" that Dodge tacked on the cars is another cash-grab... They're fender flares, and they do not equal a "wide-body". With that logic, my 2000 Dakota R/T was a wide body; it also came with the Dodge tack-on fender flares. I've been buying Mopars since 1998... I think maybe Dodge had new customers that came along in the past decade fooled, but there's a ton of customers like myself who weren't fooled into buying such outdated cars. Dodge got certain people to pay crazy money for rental cars with big engines. They've been gaming their customers for more than a decade at this point- don't get it mixed up.
Great video and thanks
On my 22 scat pack the dealership made a big deal that they came down 1500 bucks off of sticker. The car had actually sat on the lot for 2 months because the dealer had an extra 20k markup with a so called limited availability fee. Luckily nobody was stupid enough to pay that. Ridiculous!
Been thought the same that's why I sold my 15 Srt Challenger in 22 when I want to get a HC they were so high for the same car with a cheap looking widebody kit and not to mention the way they are stolen smh
Good video - facts, I'm done with Dodge. I"ve been saying the same for a while now.
Got a fully loaded challenger rt used 30k miles for $32k. I optioned it on dodge the other day and it came out to $48k. Ridiculous
I paid 32 also,spec out to be 47k. Win win its up for sale in 2024! I stopped driving it so I can cash out with 55k to 65k.
Chevy and Ford giving Dodge a smack down with there new upgrades. Doesn’t seem fair
Its mostly inflation unfortunately the same thing happen in 70s and 80s a 1974 camaro was $4000 but by the end of the car life in 1981 the same car was $8000
The Widebody is a $6k option on a scat... what does the msrp start at for the og narrow body 2023 Charger Scatpack? Another thing we got was nicer soft toch dash and door panel trim and some Alcantara if you get the plus package... you could lease them back then for $300-$350 per month for a $45k scat!
You forgot they added active exhaust, 10k! Haha.. this make me feel good about the '23 300C more & more everyday.
Great video Knockout n your right! Scats and hellcats are going for an insane price 😳 I got my cat at $69,000 and bin afrred $107,000 K
JUST BECAUSE these are limited production cars
5000,000 I will let ti go
2015 to 2018 the srt 392 trim was dropped from the Charger/challenger lineup after 2018, That's the difference. 2019 to 2023 it's just sxt, gt, rt, scatpack, hellcat, redeye & jailbreak.
40k was the sticker on my 2018 Charger GT plus AWD. But they had incentives and low interest rates back then.
Actually it's been since 2012 as far as performance goes the only noticeable difference between the 2012-14 Srt8 Chargers, and the Scatpack Chargers is the 8speed trans
I was just talking to my co worker bout prices before Covid. I had 51k for my 22 charger scat pack slim body. Hell the RT was 45k and a used RT was 40k
I agree with you for the most part. However many things were changed from the hellcat. Now I don’t agree with the amount it’s hiked but it is worth noting- they revamped the hellcat gave more power and changed the intake and snorkel while changing it from maf to map. Added a wide body. So all and all take 59k+ gas tax=62k+ intake 1000,+ hood 1000k, +wide body 3k=67k. Then mark ups and then profit. Yeah it’s bs. They all do that. this is why it pays to build your own. The redeye and up were different. You got better drive shaft, axils, bigger blower, stronger block, hood, wide body, line lock, wider tires all 4. It’s not just a blower on the redeye. Scats yeah you guys got screwed. But really what else were they going to do making a heavier car then everyone else no boost. Make it nasty as possible high compression 6.4 making more hp and tq for years running out of the na 6.4 until the now 250k zo6 lives which allowed competition with the camaro and mustangs until they start doing modifications as we all know less weight and after market always equates to better than stock parts or close to dodge which means you lose. Now the 18 scats plus got the hellcat blocks so a ton of power could be had if one were to build it. Yeah it’s stupid pricey today but what other car do you know for a long stretch that has a power plant capable of 1500whp. The point is they never needed to change because nobody else stock comes close in power numbers and they aren’t revamping the body to make it like a mustang or camaro
I'm a straight Mopar guy I've looked at a many hell cats back in 15 everyone was 70k or more plus don't forget those crazy markups they had my Srt.392 I had in 2012 were selling for 60k then they finally dropped the price to 53 to 55 I have a new hellcat now I bought mine in 21 I got a good deal on it I got lucky
@@nasapeterbilt6042 yeah I got mine as a 2016 hc in 2016 slightly used with 4k miles on the odometer for 74k out the door. I considered that a good deal at the time considering how new the platform was. How much did you pay for your 21 if you don’t mind me asking?
Nahh bru. Its the same car since 2015. They just throw on some new wheels or something and say its worth 6k more
@@mightymatt5427 did you not read the differences. It’s not when you get to redeye territory. Drive shaft, axles, tires, wb kit, bigger blower, more water jackets in the block, and a better intake. It’s not worth what they ask but somebody has to get payed for their services right. Chevy and for do the same shit.
MAF? MAP?
Walked out the dealership in 2021 with a new Redeye Widebody 10% under sticker so they didn’t get me. Now when I sell it in a few years for over sticker best believe I’m getting the next man 😂
They excuse is that they are about to stop sales after this year and people that doesn’t have one and want one, they are going to buy before they go away.
It's funny that the Scat Pak killed off the SRT-8 just to be more than the Hellcat!🤣
It is called inflation... basic inflation from 2015 means that $40,990 would be the same as $50,612 today in 2022. Bigger tires, wheels, fender flares explains the rest of the gap.
Go back to the beginning. When the scat pack first came out is was a water downed version of the srt. It was an srt with out the full interior. It's been a scam. Left my hellcat for a glc amg 63s. Best decision ever
Yea, i think imma stick to my 2013 SRT-8!🤦🏾♂️
The whole car industry.Has been getting away with highway robbery.Along with all the other industries.That's why I blame the government with all this mess
It’s called inflation my guy. $64,000 in 2015 for the hellcat is equivalent in purchasing power to about $80,141.96 in 2023, an increase of $16,141.96 over 8 years. The dollar had an average inflation rate of 2.85% per year between 2015 and 2023, producing a cumulative price increase of 25.22%.
The one good thing coming out of this is if you already have one it’s worth more. I sold
My 21 ss Camaro for $5k more than I purchased it for and I drove it for two years and 17k miles with plenty of track days. On the other hand I just purchased a 2023 2ss 1le that was more expensive than my 5th gen zl1. But it’s a way better car in my opinion. Everything keeps going up because they know the v8’s days are numbered. I mean look at what a v8 g wagon goes for it’s insane!
Don't buy their products. Simple
Thanks you. If you want to hurt dodge don't buy.
I had noticed my shaker scat was 48 k fully loaded in 2015 now ...is no way I could buy the same car
What's sad is that you WOULD be buying the same car, nothing of note has really changed since 2015... Except the price.
Racer x made a video about how dodge prices went up the most the past couple of years vs chevy and ford
It's called inflation and dealer markups.
Basically 💯💯💯
They know what the Communitah likes!!
I need to sell my 22 Hellcat Challenger. Between what they're charging and the fact they keep getting stolen, I need to cut my losses while I can.
I’m glad to be in the market for sumin else now especially with NO interior exterior change never-mind upgrades with the exception of a aftermarket couture type widebody kit I put on my old 08 charger..it looked just as good so what does that say smh
13:27 😭😭😭 sounds about right 🤣🤣
Your so right fam they have been robbing everyone blind with no major updates especially for the chargers
With consideration to the high inflation we’ve seen in the past couple of years, the math checks out.
Same damn Hellcat hoods on all of em too. Don’t put that on a V6. Cmon.
Aside from the ‘market adjustments’ on sticker I don’t think the car industry itself is so much scamming customers, as is inflation itself via the Fed Reserve running up their balance sheet since 2019 and then raising interest rates on top of that. With inflation comes higher manufacturing costs as the increased expenses trickle up from every part and component maker and from their own raw material sources & energy costs. Profit margins themselves should still be relatively the same across dealers, manufacturers, banks, etc. simply because they’re always going to pass their increased costs along to the consumer. And I think guys like OCM and WBN have touched upon these subjects in select videos some if not many times. It’s a frustrating issue and the 2023 Last Call is making it even worse.
Dodge didn’t rip anyone off… The idiots who have more money than sense were paying the high prices and the $20K plus dealer markups because they are idiots… I walked away and will keep my 2020 SRT until the wheels fall off…
My 2015 rt was 38k and my 2020 scat was 48k
I was just talking bout this the other day
In 2015-18 there were rebates.. we got $11k OFF MSRP on wife's 2017.. now guys paying more than that over MSRP.. wake up..
I seen a 22 charger sxt plus AWD going for 55k in my area fully loaded
Ya and YOU and everyone bought into it… congratulations
I rather get a c8 for 65k than a scat lol Dodge is trippen & I own a Charger lol I thought I was going to upgrade to a hellcat but not for these prices, Corvettes way nicer.
Absolutely right
No Kidding. I paid 38k all in for 20 Charger R/T. Literally watched them take it off the carrier. 23 with the options I had 47k. An both of them are identical. An that’s EXACTLY why Dodge lost my business. An I keep asking the same question. Since it’s house money, WHERE is the house financing option
Yeah me and you both, I was buying a house at the time.
It's simple. They are aggressively taking full advantage of people's high interest in these cars. And now, more than ever with the current market.
They want 58 thousand for a 23 rt
What is considered fully loaded on these cars?
It's ridiculous
at least the 3.6 and 6.4 has only been around since 2012 ish...the 5.7 r/t aside from a few tweaks since its debut in 2004 will run you 46k + in a 2023 chally or charger which also hasn't changed hardly any in the past 6 or so years..just imagine paying 50k for a new one when you could cop a used one for just 29k and it'll practically be the exact same car with more mileage of course...
In 2018 I bought a brand new base sxt challenger I only paid 22k
You should look at the 2023 hellcat Durango prices theres legit 3 hellcat trims now "hellcat, hellcat plus, and hellcat premium" options that used to be standard you have to pay extra for now.
I also blame the government because of the inflation on everything
With all the cars changing up, it is still the same body.
Welp, what can I say. If I had gotten my 22 scat pack Shaker challenger Widebody back 2020 I would have paid $5355 less at MSRP 🥵 same everything. But I wasn't in the market 😕 also what year were the power dollars in promotion 🤔
Welp in a sense it’s our fault cuz high demand and wants comes with a bigger price tag🤷🏾♂️
Nah… I deal in material and resource availability and the raw ‘cost’ of all of it has skyrocketed. To be able to buy simple things that for years had a consistent price expectation, no longer exists. Not only is the price of those simple things up, but the availability we had is simply not there so for these businesses to make money and stay in business, they have to account for that and be strategic about their pricing / profit margins. Demand is high but if they could supply, you wouldn’t wait for 4 months for a new vehicle. No businesses can forecast an accurate forecast on revenue with all the unexpected factors that that they are faced with that can lower the profits and potentially put them out of business so they have jacked up the price to play it safe and also, BECAUSE PEOPLE KEEP PAYING THE PRICES THEY SET. I know because I’m one of them. Example, if I know I’m capable of providing a service like installing home alarm systems but know that it’s hit or miss on whether I will have what I need to complete an installation, I’m going to make sure I can secure what is required to do the job which might be paying more for equipment that is in a shortage scenario, but I’m going to charge a lot more for the service because I know that I don’t have the security of a job right after that because of all the shortfalls stacked against me that I used not have to worry about. I don’t know maybe but to me, the market is decided by the consumer and the availability and cost of owning one of these would be lower, if not as many people wanted them.
Plus what the dealership is adding on
But people are buying them
I'm shopping around for a used Hellcat. I'm not payingnthese crazy prices for a scatpak
Inflation from 2015 to now is approximately up 25%, so $1 then is now $1.25. If you take 40k and add in 25% inflation, then you’re at 50k. That doesn’t take Into consideration steel prices and prices for other goods increasing in sectors that affect car production. Like every brand, you have a handfuls of vendors that make parts for them so when all those vendors increase costs, they charge more to make the same amount of money in the end. It just costs more to make the same thing from an apples to apples comparison. I’m sure they have chosen when to increase and by how much but you’re seeing normal market forces and inflation doing their thing. They in turn have to pay their employees more and overall cost of doing business just has risen and risen.
Like you said they got all of us, but we still buy it, I hate it like hell!
No joke my 2021 RT in October of 2021 has 47k dollar msrp on the sticker, and after mark ups I financed 56k its insane flat out raping, and now I can get rid of it they say its 30k trade in
I have a 2020 charger scatpack msrp was 43k sunroof, all that now the same car is like 50 lol
It’s the Government’s fault, with those Stimulus Checks and those PPP loans with 1-2% interest. Now all the money is spent none of the prices make sense. 😅
Don’t ya just hate it when a salesman holds a gun to your head.
“ Ok, God is good” 😂😂😂
Yep.. but they been doing it. 70 Challengers and Cudas had the same engine and so did most of the old school Dodge vs. Plymouth line up. Dodge also said The Dodge Charger was the perfect family muscle car to cover up the 4 door mistake. Then they put a Hemi in the Chrysler 300 realized they messed up again and discontinued the Chrysler 300. They making money ✋️ over 👊
I traded my 2015 Charger RT for a 2023 Honda Civic sports hatchback. I love it. Dodge will lose customers and they have lost me.
Bro I jumped from a 2008 dodge avenger top a scat pack manual
With that kind of price range you could buy a SXT V6 find a wrecked scat pack or hellcat swap the powertrain and come out 20 K cheaper
Thatz why i got a 2015 srt 392 only thing missing is the widebody if/wen I want to add it. It will look just like a 23 lol...if u got one already why would u sell it then go buy the same car over again an pay more money for the same car that say 23
Been saying... Dodge doing yall dirty these last 2 yrs. But hey y'all love it.
I switched to team Ford after the Dodge brought out the ev with fake exhaust notes, that was a fuckin embarrassment I couldn't handle.
I hope dodge saves the money they made because the new line up has the possibility of crushing them. I guess we just have to wait and see.
Tell me you never took an econ 101 course without telling me.... It is inflation. $59k in 2015 is the equivalent of $72,800 in 2022
I literally said this years ago. But I also came to the realization that Dodge never forced people to buy $65k scats and $110k hellcats. Why would they change anything if you continuously throw money at them regardless of what they do??
You as the consumer set the precedent. You bought it. And when they were blatantly fucking you over, you kept buying it. People with 22 Redeyes really sat there and said, “I’m trading in for a Jailbreak.” There are more examples but I’m pretty sure you get the idea. Blame the non car people that saturated Dodge’s fan base.
I missed My chance unfortunately, I was so close to getting the Hellcat 🤷🏾♂️, just had to settle for the Scat
What happened?
@@Knockout360 Price upped like you mentioned in the video man , I can buy it sure but I cannot afford to just drop 65k+ on a used Hellcat, atleast that's base price for Any Year Model SRT im seeing. Shit isnt even New ??? I bought my 2018 Scat for 40k n it had 8k miles on it just for me to drive it on weekends only anyway.
That’s exactly why I didn’t get a brand spanking new scat pack 😂😂😂😂😂 literally everything is the same it just made no sense for me to get a brand new one. I got a 18 scat pack charger for 38k with 19,000 miles out the gate while the newer ones are like damn near almost 60k… & if i want to get the features like the newer ones have i can simply just use a tazer to unlock those features lol.
NEVER buy a brand new car.
That’s how the game works, if people didn’t eat it up, then it wouldn’t work. Can’t blame em
My sxt back in 2014 by been one year old was 24k lol base model not fully loaded
Yup exactly
People are still buying the 2015 model year dodges . SMH….
I didn't get into the Dodge community until mid 22. Got a 2012 sxt. Considering upgrading to an RT sometime down the road or a 23 Nissan Z. Honestly, after hearing this and making the realization, I may consider something else.
Trust me save for the scat