I mean, low tech stuff like rock lobbers and bolt throwers naturally do, but gunpower artillery like dreadquake mortars and rocket batteries sound awesome.
In all honesty I didn't want to believe it because warhammer 2 was decent at the end but I think CA is another casulty of "modern gaming". Warhammer 3 for some reason feels alot worse than 2 which feels worse than Medieval or Shogun 2. Yea we have alot more unit types, magic, more elaborate campaign mechanics but when it comes to pure battle feel it's not the same. I think we are due to CA collapsing sadly.
Ok, this makes me want to play Fall of the Samurai again. The boom of the cannons, crackle of the guns, smoke drifting over the battlefield. It's so great.
@@asherwoodrow7471I'd say don't get your hope up with the current CA track record. Same as Medieval 3. I'd say the reason why they didn't plan make Med 3 is because they know that with the current policy of the company everyone will be comparing it to Med 2 and says it got prettier graphic at the cost of everything else that makes Med 2 good.
As soon as I saw 4 Armstrong guns I knew it was over. Those guns are some of the strongest units in total war. Each is essentially the equivalent of Warhammer’s Queen Bess
They're better than the Bess, they have more ammo and shoot even farther, lol. With experience they get even more insane.They're so OP, but they're great for a DLC like that. That's when you can get more whacky with stuff.
They're better than the Bess, they have more ammo and shoot even farther, lol. With experience they get even more insane.They're so OP, but they're great for a DLC like that. That's when you can get more whacky with stuff.
It's why the faction that starts with them on Kyushu with Nagasaki as their capital is so OP - the AI is programmed to sprint straight at cannons if their outranged, so every battle is a total bloodbath early game.
I'd say they overcompensating for how terrible the Mangonel and European Cannon in the base game was; They have role to fill that no other units can do, yes, but they're still bad at that role that it might as well not doing a thing at all. And so the Armstrong Gun shows up...
I love hearing Legend have an orgasm every time there's a hill on the battlefield, because if you know anything about hills in Total War, is that it gives you the high ground. We all love the high ground just ask Obi Wan about it.
Couldn't find One Wan, but found another senior of the Star Wars universe. Dude told me that the high ground is a pathway to many victories, some against odds which many would find unnatural. Followed it up with some speech about how the strength of a good hill let's you conquer dead itself and be immortalized as a legend.
Fall of the Samurai is just so satisfying. The crack and smoke of the rifles and cannons, the beauty of each bombardment and volley. It's just so amazing and satisfying seeing battles in FOTS.
A Tosa army without Tosa Riflemen, one of the best units in the game, is a bit odd. Especially considering he has four armstrong guns. Still, a great battle, and just another one of the reasons I love FotS.
armstrongs are better than Tosa rifleman. TR's are just a better version of sharpshooters and a (sort of) superior replacement for line infantry. Armstrong guns give you abilities that you otherwise would not have (like forcing the AI to always attack you in field battles)
@@nilloc93 Tosa Riflemen are great with their increased ammo capacity + range when on the defence and you need to cram as much firepower into a small section as possible. Having to attack through busted down gates or climb walls, the lower soldier count per unit really shows. Having at least 1 melee unit in your army to storm castles with is a must if Tosa Riflemen are all you have otherwise. Red Bears (or any of the Bear units for the other factions) bridge that gap so you wont need specialized melee experts, since you can use your line in the attack aswell.
@@Pilvenugayou want to cram firepower into a small section? Sounds like a job for armstrong guns lol. You can have as much variety in your infantry as you want but a stack of 15 line infantry with 4 armstrongs will beat any army that doesn't have arty.
@@nilloc93 you're a bit special, ok. 15 line infantry + 4 armstrong guns will get beat by 15 Tosa Riflemen + 4 armstrong guns in a field battle. when you are assaulting a castle you need the extra numbers and melee power that bear infantry have to push through the remains of units that are holding on in the citadel after you've exhausted the ammo of your artillery on them
Never really got on with FoTS as I couldn’t get my head around using gun infantry, but your recent videos have convinced me to give it another try. Thanks for featuring more of these older titles Legend.
It's probably the best Total war for guns tbh. In terms of responsiveness and stuff. Way better than like warhammer to me at least. Napoleon is ok but so slow. FOTS only issue is it's really easy if you just defend and wait out the enemy while you get better tech.
@@DillsyYourDaddy67 yeah could do. I’d want to do the more ‘historically accurate’ play through first, but a traditional unit run is definitely on the cards 👍
You can actually use almost the same tactic when the enemy has to move over hills to get to you. If you place your units so they can shoot the enemy when they reach the top of the hill, it can be even more devastating since the enemy has to walk in range of pretty much all of your units at the same time. With the tactic Legend uses, if the enemy units have the same range, they can stand still at max range and exchange fire with only the front row (as long as you dont move forward) which can be pretty annoying sometimes. It also can protect you from artillery with a low projectile drop.
player base: pissed off with warhammer-CA, and filled with general frustration/resentment Legend: I'm about to single handedly resurrect the medieval, shogun, rome games.
I cannot overstate how much I love how much the battle changes in mood, like all the smoke at 1:30 absolutely covering the enemy, making it harder to read the situation at a glance
Defense in depth defined as: a military strategy that seeks to delay rather than prevent the advance of an attacker, buying time and causing additional casualties by yielding space. It is a strategy, not a battlefield tactic used in a single skirmish. The people telling you that your single battle tactic is a strategy don’t know what they’re talking about.
I love the way the smoke builds on the hill as the cannons start firing, battles in this game look so damn cool. Also, what a massacre. I dont think I've ever seen a fight so one sided its insane how much value that one hill got.
That was the most cinematic and tactical-savvy battle I 've seen in a long time in TW... You gotta love the classics... it's unbelievable Shogun 2 is a ten years old game already, maybe more, I think the base game came out in 2011 and Fall of the Samurai in 2013?... Thanks Legend for the quality content, keep it up!
@@fiveforbitingIts because they're constantly chasing the wider audience money. The thing that really gets me is that S2 is so polished and beautiful on the visual side and the newer ones just look so unfinished, especially the UI and battle map, whoever thought that rome 2's pottery drawings was a good idea is hopefully just working at a potter and not in game development anymore.
yeah, and i'm sure if Fall of samurai release this year as shogun 3 instead it would be an absolutely banger for sure, this game keep up even after 10 years
Fall of the Samurai was my first total war game and is still one of my favorites. I love that you are going back to play these games. The battle sound and particle effect are so satisfying.
@@Vedrine41It'd suck balls if it was made nowadays. Empire 2: Britain faction pack Dlc free if you pre order now! A month later France faction pack only £19.99! CA haven't made a decent game since Atilla, and even then Rome 2 and Atilla took years of patching to make into decent games and both were horribly money grubbing like all of the games that came after em.
FOTS is peak total war. SO many good units, the visuals and sounds are great. I mean look at how the battlefield is covered with the smoke from all the firing, your vision gets obscured not by on/off systems but the actual effect of the fighting. Soundscape with the sound of cannons and rifle fire that has yet top be matched by any other total war game more than a decade later
Smoke on the battlefield creating a true fog of war is so amazing. I love gunpowder in total war games. Its such a different style of gameplay, very neat.
God. How is it that they took such a massive step backwards with representation of guns in the Warhammer games? I mean I understand why they can’t be as deadly, because of the way the warhammer games are balanced… but the sound! The smoke spreading across the battlefield! How did they fuck up the ambience of gun armies so badly when they nailed it so hard in shogun 2?
I don't mind the Warhammer games but we got too much of in such a short interval that it's just oversaturated. The fantasy elements allowed more unique play styles but it just got so boring to get nothing but Warhammer.
Yeah, the problem with the tactics in Warhammer is that while a lot of factions have some potentially interesting and unique abilities that can be used to great effect, they're usually either so narrow in scope they're rare to use, or so universal in scope you pretty much want to use them all the time (like getting enemies to blob up and dropping magic on them). Which means there are "Obviously correct" choices which aren't really choices at all. With the older historical games a lot of the tactical depth comes down to understanding and using fundamentals properly as there are fewer options because there aren't a bazillion unique gimmick units, but because of this, much more of the tactical variety often presents itself, ironically, because units have more general flexibility. Plus, the older games, aiming more toward a bit more realism, really make the environment super important. Things like controlling a hill become much, much more critical in older games.
So glad to see you going back to some of the older games man! Love shogun 2 and seeing it again makes me remember how good Total War used to be I really hope it can have a comeback in the near future
You gotta try revolver cavalry. One of the best units in the game. Best way to use them is have them ride slightly past enemy units. Especially if they get bunched up and already engaged. They can shoot over your troops, which is especially good against melee troops.
@@Saberlena Thats the reason i always avoided placing musket infantry behind each other, i've had some bad experiences with FF but i cannot remember which total war it was.
@@xXBisquitsXxFOTS usually doesn't FF that bad, empire and napoleon it happens a bit, but in FOTS units usually just don't shoot if there are friendly troops in the way.
loved this made me realize i really loved shogun back in the day, looks at steam catalogue , shogun 2 last time played 2015, only 23 gigs, getting hyped playing some old total war games, nice
Its so odd because I have played a FoTS campaign and finished but forgotten so much like the police units and that you can capture artillery and the fact you can now capture the islands. All I can remember is the Railroads whereas I remember so much of vanilla shogun 2 even though I like FoTS more, How strange.
Such a satisfying battle to witness. Really enjoying the Shogun 2 resurgence as of late. Maybe CA will finally take notice of what sort of games they should be making.
I remember my first fall of the samurai campaign I was super aggressive as I normally am. Roman style diplomacy of “either I wipe you out or your give up totally.” So no one ever peaced out. I went it alone and became the emperor, and I did it all before rails were even really a thing. Think like 100 turns or more from the end date. This is my average experience with total war.
Man it's so cool seeing you do Shogun 2 and FOTS videos. Been watching the WH vids for a few years now and I've learned so many things from you that I've applied in my Shogun 2 campaigns. Thank you for everything bro!
I'm loving your return to historical TW. I have Warhammer 1 and 2 and only put like 8 hours in each I just could not get into them and I tried. But Shogun 2 is my most played. Role playing western merchants demolishing samurai with guns never gets old
Couple of days ago I started playing shogun 2, base game as Shimazu, went straight for guns, researched ones over imported ones and got to Kyoto before realm divide, drew the force out, got a hill on my side, set up multiple tiers of gunners and 20 mins later was shogun .
When two or more defensive position cover the same area with their fire it is called overlapping fields of fire. It is a basic principle of defense, you apply it with static defense or defense in depth. Defense in depth refers to a strategy rather than a tactic. It focuses on delaying the enemy by giving ground and having him overstretched and diluted and thus exposed to counter attacks.
I tried saying the same thing in the last video. Defence in depth is a higher order strategy, you can't really employ defence in depth in Total war battles since giving ground doesn't really confer any benefits. Overlapping fields of fire was correct.
the armstrong canons is a menance, they reload twice as fast as the parrot cannons, also if u make them from a blacksmith province that are focus on accuracy upgrade, and build a accuracy training ground plus supervised recruits with a foreign veterans, u can get over 65 accuracy from those cannons and just watch ur cannon rain hell fire to the enemies just with 3 or 4 of them in ur armies.
Honestly AMG is the Coffee tsm are only the cream. If u play on vh/Leg u need to focus on money tech and this is the early stage. Tbo when I finally have some Golden tsr i already won the game on the contrast AMG are the ones who brought me there:-)
How the hell do you play Tosa without Tosa Riflemen? They are quite literaly the Spet Xyon's of Shogun 2. You can take a general plus three Tosa rifles and auto resolve ANY early game battle. Castle with a full stack? 3 Tosa rifles still win in auto resolve. Insane.
Really lovely to see you doing so much historical content. I stopped getting into new TW's after the first Warhammer, which just wasn't for me (not saying they are necessarily bad games). CA is so much down the drain that they have no clue what a huge portion of their fanbase is asking for.
The entire battle I was picturing Legend as the artillery officer just constantly calling new targets: "Bomb there! No wait -- Bomb here!" Meanwhile, the poor artellerists keep having to rotate the entire gun after every shot.
this expansion is basically what empire could have been, shogun 2 in my opinion was peak total war, it had its ups and downs but to finish on an expansion so crisp and perfected for a traditional to gunpowder age must have been such a challenge for CA of that time to pull off. TTWH trilogy is brilliant but has more issues around it day by day, rome 2 was a disaster at launch but got better and attila probably deserved more attention but all in all shogun is that one game that sits on top as a labour of love and it shows
Legend i think the optimal tactic with artillery is to use them separately. Having one battery target one group of enemies. It gets way more kills than using 4 batteries to shoot one unit. Also, they are far more lethal when you aim them in front of enemies (it does require more macro) because they automatically shot to the flank of the targeted unit.
For real this Hill makes me blush, im dreaming about this in any total war game. And then look on this long open field infront of that mighty hill GOSH
I have been enjoying the other total war titles from you Legend. Despite me loving warhammer total war (due to being a WHFB player) seeing the other total wars get love is a nice change.
I love the warhammer trilogy. They are my favourite tw game amongst all but taking a break from fantasy to a powder based shogun 2 battle is very refreshing. I am hoping to see more.
You really underestimate how good even the parrott guns are in FOTS And the armstrong guns are just on another level It's crazy how much damage they can do
What about that seemed remotely intelligent to you? They sent in the cavalry way before the line infantry was in position to fire so they got taken out for free. They sent the sharpshooters in without support so they lose to the higher volume of fire from regular infantry when the sharpshooters could for example just have fired from behind the line with their superior range. They could have waited for their cannons to fire at the very bunched up lines.
FOS simply has the best cannons of any total war game. Which is ironic as heck considering the historical setting was much less scaled than the game portrays. God, a mod for 17th century Europe would be rad as fuck
If I recall correctly, there is a total conversion mod out there for FOTS that does the American Civil War. Which is eminently doable as they even already have a lot of the right weapons for that period already present in FOTS. Not sure if they ever backscaled FOTS to try and make it Napoleon or Empire periods though. Might've been easier than trying to mod Empire or Napoleon into better games, honestly.
At this point the player should've researched rank fire already. Would make this a lot more lobsided than it already is with having cannon superiority. Just noticed its missing. PS: ahh Legend mentions "Kneel Fire" right at the end there. :) Yep thats what you want!
This is exactly why my late game armies in FotS are literally 50% Armstrong guns and the rest is elite infantry and some gatling guns, and they mainly defend the Armstrong guns. Doesn't matter what I go up against, those cannons destroy everything.
To be fair, you can use First Person Shooter mode to manually aim the arty in FOTS. And if you aim well, thousands of kills before the lines clash or sniping General is entirely possible.
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>hills
>that's a nice looking hills
>a nice, wild, high and steep hill
Find yourself a girl who looks at you the way Legend looks at these hills.
That hill is definitely going in legends the spank bank.
"This hill here, this hill makes me wet."
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@@magww1pls lord make this real
How did you forget when he said “this hill makes me wet”
Man, that cannonade sound… pure magic. Made me realize how much Warhammer cannons sound like peashooters.
I mean, low tech stuff like rock lobbers and bolt throwers naturally do, but gunpower artillery like dreadquake mortars and rocket batteries sound awesome.
Yeah that sound combined with the smoke. Also makes me notice how wimpy gunpowder is in Warhammer tw by comparison.
In all honesty I didn't want to believe it because warhammer 2 was decent at the end but I think CA is another casulty of "modern gaming". Warhammer 3 for some reason feels alot worse than 2 which feels worse than Medieval or Shogun 2. Yea we have alot more unit types, magic, more elaborate campaign mechanics but when it comes to pure battle feel it's not the same. I think we are due to CA collapsing sadly.
@@polishlinks I dunno. Dreadquake mortars sound like high quality fantasy sound effects. These guns sound like death and PTSD.
There is a mod thet changes that
"That hill is making me wet" - LegendofTotalWar, 2023.
2:56 - "Nice, wide, high..." 😂
Laughed my ass off
the quote of any good tactician
@@jessewilliams1422 Same, man, same
He really is Hillosexual
Ok, this makes me want to play Fall of the Samurai again.
The boom of the cannons, crackle of the guns, smoke drifting over the battlefield. It's so great.
shit like this makes me want an empire 2 more then i already do
@@asherwoodrow7471I'd say don't get your hope up with the current CA track record. Same as Medieval 3.
I'd say the reason why they didn't plan make Med 3 is because they know that with the current policy of the company everyone will be comparing it to Med 2 and says it got prettier graphic at the cost of everything else that makes Med 2 good.
@@machaiping i know, but a man can dream
Not the mention the soundtracks! I love the pre siege music, the "no one enter no one out" besieged settlement😂
Sighed... Jeff van dik ❤
@@asherwoodrow7471Or at least a mod that puts Empire factions in FotS.
Some people have feet fetish.
Some people have furry fetish.
Some people have armpits fetish.
Legend: that hill....
* cream pants*
0:25 Legend: "Now these guys aren't going to get a thousand kills each"
Armstrong Guns: Hold our brown ale.
As soon as I saw 4 Armstrong guns I knew it was over. Those guns are some of the strongest units in total war. Each is essentially the equivalent of Warhammer’s Queen Bess
They're better than the Bess, they have more ammo and shoot even farther, lol. With experience they get even more insane.They're so OP, but they're great for a DLC like that. That's when you can get more whacky with stuff.
They're better than the Bess, they have more ammo and shoot even farther, lol. With experience they get even more insane.They're so OP, but they're great for a DLC like that. That's when you can get more whacky with stuff.
It's why the faction that starts with them on Kyushu with Nagasaki as their capital is so OP - the AI is programmed to sprint straight at cannons if their outranged, so every battle is a total bloodbath early game.
Armstrongs are the strongest unit in all TW series and they perfectly show WHY artillery is the "god of war".
I'd say they overcompensating for how terrible the Mangonel and European Cannon in the base game was; They have role to fill that no other units can do, yes, but they're still bad at that role that it might as well not doing a thing at all. And so the Armstrong Gun shows up...
That defensive position was the best. You may disagree but thats a hill i'm willing to die on.
I see what you did...
love seeing more FOTS, even if those aren't really disaster battles to me, i just love seeing a good battle
I love hearing Legend have an orgasm every time there's a hill on the battlefield, because if you know anything about hills in Total War, is that it gives you the high ground. We all love the high ground just ask Obi Wan about it.
100% man nothing like a classic hill archer/artillery setup love the old school simple strats before stuff like magic and single unit hero’s
@@ryanc6595 before the dark times, before everything in Total War not mattering anymore.
Couldn't find One Wan, but found another senior of the Star Wars universe. Dude told me that the high ground is a pathway to many victories, some against odds which many would find unnatural.
Followed it up with some speech about how the strength of a good hill let's you conquer dead itself and be immortalized as a legend.
Fall of the Samurai is just so satisfying. The crack and smoke of the rifles and cannons, the beauty of each bombardment and volley. It's just so amazing and satisfying seeing battles in FOTS.
yep clearly one of the best if not the best total war centered around powder era. Even boats and naval battles in this game are incredible
A Tosa army without Tosa Riflemen, one of the best units in the game, is a bit odd. Especially considering he has four armstrong guns. Still, a great battle, and just another one of the reasons I love FotS.
Its common to get to AMG before riflemans mate, they r game changer when tsr are Just a flavour:-) great pnę true but not even cloae as unportqnt
armstrongs are better than Tosa rifleman.
TR's are just a better version of sharpshooters and a (sort of) superior replacement for line infantry.
Armstrong guns give you abilities that you otherwise would not have (like forcing the AI to always attack you in field battles)
@@nilloc93 Tosa Riflemen are great with their increased ammo capacity + range when on the defence and you need to cram as much firepower into a small section as possible. Having to attack through busted down gates or climb walls, the lower soldier count per unit really shows. Having at least 1 melee unit in your army to storm castles with is a must if Tosa Riflemen are all you have otherwise. Red Bears (or any of the Bear units for the other factions) bridge that gap so you wont need specialized melee experts, since you can use your line in the attack aswell.
@@Pilvenugayou want to cram firepower into a small section? Sounds like a job for armstrong guns lol. You can have as much variety in your infantry as you want but a stack of 15 line infantry with 4 armstrongs will beat any army that doesn't have arty.
@@nilloc93 you're a bit special, ok.
15 line infantry + 4 armstrong guns will get beat by 15 Tosa Riflemen + 4 armstrong guns in a field battle.
when you are assaulting a castle you need the extra numbers and melee power that bear infantry have to push through the remains of units that are holding on in the citadel after you've exhausted the ammo of your artillery on them
“This hill makes me wet.” - Napoleon at Austerlitz
Never really got on with FoTS as I couldn’t get my head around using gun infantry, but your recent videos have convinced me to give it another try. Thanks for featuring more of these older titles Legend.
It's probably the best Total war for guns tbh. In terms of responsiveness and stuff. Way better than like warhammer to me at least. Napoleon is ok but so slow. FOTS only issue is it's really easy if you just defend and wait out the enemy while you get better tech.
@@DillsyYourDaddy67 yeah could do. I’d want to do the more ‘historically accurate’ play through first, but a traditional unit run is definitely on the cards 👍
Did he just say what I think he said? 2:38 Yep. Yep he did.
You can actually use almost the same tactic when the enemy has to move over hills to get to you. If you place your units so they can shoot the enemy when they reach the top of the hill, it can be even more devastating since the enemy has to walk in range of pretty much all of your units at the same time. With the tactic Legend uses, if the enemy units have the same range, they can stand still at max range and exchange fire with only the front row (as long as you dont move forward) which can be pretty annoying sometimes. It also can protect you from artillery with a low projectile drop.
The reverse slope defence can be absolutely devastating
Got a vid of this tactic at play? Playing shogun 2 and it would be great to try it out
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@@Laucron Legend does it in one of his disaster videos.
Man the smoke and the sounds this game still looks soo good.
player base: pissed off with warhammer-CA, and filled with general frustration/resentment
Legend: I'm about to single handedly resurrect the medieval, shogun, rome games.
I cannot overstate how much I love how much the battle changes in mood, like all the smoke at 1:30 absolutely covering the enemy, making it harder to read the situation at a glance
Defense in depth defined as: a military strategy that seeks to delay rather than prevent the advance of an attacker, buying time and causing additional casualties by yielding space. It is a strategy, not a battlefield tactic used in a single skirmish. The people telling you that your single battle tactic is a strategy don’t know what they’re talking about.
Yeah, overlapping fields of fire was at least more correct than defence in depth.
That camera shot at 11:19 is insanely satisfying. So is the FOTS sound design!
I love the way the smoke builds on the hill as the cannons start firing, battles in this game look so damn cool. Also, what a massacre. I dont think I've ever seen a fight so one sided its insane how much value that one hill got.
That was the most cinematic and tactical-savvy battle I 've seen in a long time in TW... You gotta love the classics... it's unbelievable Shogun 2 is a ten years old game already, maybe more, I think the base game came out in 2011 and Fall of the Samurai in 2013?... Thanks Legend for the quality content, keep it up!
FotS was 2012. Rome 2 was 2013. Can't understand how CA made such a great game, and can't reproduce that experience in last 11 years.
@@fiveforbitingIts because they're constantly chasing the wider audience money. The thing that really gets me is that S2 is so polished and beautiful on the visual side and the newer ones just look so unfinished, especially the UI and battle map, whoever thought that rome 2's pottery drawings was a good idea is hopefully just working at a potter and not in game development anymore.
yeah, and i'm sure if Fall of samurai release this year as shogun 3 instead it would be an absolutely banger for sure, this game keep up even after 10 years
The Armstrong guns have my favourite unit bark in the whole series:
"The mountains tremble in fear!"
Fall of the Samurai was my first total war game and is still one of my favorites. I love that you are going back to play these games. The battle sound and particle effect are so satisfying.
Fall of the Samurai looks like it was released this year, still holds up so incredibly well. Over ten years ago this came out. It really just shows...
just imagine if they made a new fall of the samurai today... or just another total war centered around powder area, that'd be incredible
@@Vedrine41It'd suck balls if it was made nowadays. Empire 2: Britain faction pack Dlc free if you pre order now! A month later France faction pack only £19.99! CA haven't made a decent game since Atilla, and even then Rome 2 and Atilla took years of patching to make into decent games and both were horribly money grubbing like all of the games that came after em.
@@Vedrine41nah they will charge you another 20 dollars for those smokes which already free for FoTS. CA already fell off bro
Gotta love those breach-loading cannons.
Meanwhile Great Britain: idk how this thing works, probably black magic. Let's go back to muzzle loaders for 40 more years.
"I'm hill-sexual" made my day. Absolute master!
FOTS is peak total war. SO many good units, the visuals and sounds are great. I mean look at how the battlefield is covered with the smoke from all the firing, your vision gets obscured not by on/off systems but the actual effect of the fighting. Soundscape with the sound of cannons and rifle fire that has yet top be matched by any other total war game more than a decade later
Legend really talking dirty to that hill. Damn hill, you look so fine😂
I don't know if it's that hill, or you're just feeling happier in general - but it's good to hear you sound so positive. Loved this video. Keep it up!
Smoke on the battlefield creating a true fog of war is so amazing.
I love gunpowder in total war games. Its such a different style of gameplay, very neat.
God. How is it that they took such a massive step backwards with representation of guns in the Warhammer games? I mean I understand why they can’t be as deadly, because of the way the warhammer games are balanced… but the sound! The smoke spreading across the battlefield!
How did they fuck up the ambience of gun armies so badly when they nailed it so hard in shogun 2?
The recent content has been fantastic! Pure Warhammer definitely got dull, and often I found them less tactically interesting.
Agreed, never been a fan of Warhammer games.
Older games have always been enjoyable.
I don't mind the Warhammer games but we got too much of in such a short interval that it's just oversaturated.
The fantasy elements allowed more unique play styles but it just got so boring to get nothing but Warhammer.
Yeah, the problem with the tactics in Warhammer is that while a lot of factions have some potentially interesting and unique abilities that can be used to great effect, they're usually either so narrow in scope they're rare to use, or so universal in scope you pretty much want to use them all the time (like getting enemies to blob up and dropping magic on them). Which means there are "Obviously correct" choices which aren't really choices at all.
With the older historical games a lot of the tactical depth comes down to understanding and using fundamentals properly as there are fewer options because there aren't a bazillion unique gimmick units, but because of this, much more of the tactical variety often presents itself, ironically, because units have more general flexibility. Plus, the older games, aiming more toward a bit more realism, really make the environment super important. Things like controlling a hill become much, much more critical in older games.
"This hill makes me wet"
- Legend of the Totalwar, 1868, Japan
So glad to see you going back to some of the older games man! Love shogun 2 and seeing it again makes me remember how good Total War used to be I really hope it can have a comeback in the near future
Man, I haven't been keeping up on your content for a while, but you're knocking it outta the park lately. Thank you.
You gotta try revolver cavalry. One of the best units in the game. Best way to use them is have them ride slightly past enemy units. Especially if they get bunched up and already engaged. They can shoot over your troops, which is especially good against melee troops.
You have to be careful with them though as if you don't manage LoS properly they will absolutely murder each other with crossfire.
@@Saberlena Thats the reason i always avoided placing musket infantry behind each other, i've had some bad experiences with FF but i cannot remember which total war it was.
@@xXBisquitsXxFOTS usually doesn't FF that bad, empire and napoleon it happens a bit, but in FOTS units usually just don't shoot if there are friendly troops in the way.
Thanks, Legend. I hope you consider streaming Fall of the Samurai too🔥
11:18 just imagining walking towards that hill XD. It looks so nice with the smoke plumes.
Really enjoy watching your presentations! Thankyou sir. Awaiting your next upload!👍👍👍
loved this made me realize i really loved shogun back in the day,
looks at steam catalogue , shogun 2 last time played 2015, only 23 gigs, getting hyped playing some old total war games, nice
Its so odd because I have played a FoTS campaign and finished but forgotten so much like the police units and that you can capture artillery and the fact you can now capture the islands. All I can remember is the Railroads whereas I remember so much of vanilla shogun 2 even though I like FoTS more, How strange.
I am a simple man, I see a LegendofTotalWar video, I watch, I enjoy, I give a like.
FOTS is just the best still, such a pleasure to watch and it's great to hear your excitement about that particular hill 😄
p clearly one of the best if not the best total war centered around powder era. Even boats and naval battles in this game are incredible
Seeing Legend describe a hill like Patrick Bateman describes business cards. Love it.
Such a satisfying battle to witness. Really enjoying the Shogun 2 resurgence as of late. Maybe CA will finally take notice of what sort of games they should be making.
Really love your videos of late, battles from the TWs of old, FOTS feels so good, I just started another campaign myself after years. Keep it up!
I remember my first fall of the samurai campaign I was super aggressive as I normally am. Roman style diplomacy of “either I wipe you out or your give up totally.” So no one ever peaced out. I went it alone and became the emperor, and I did it all before rails were even really a thing. Think like 100 turns or more from the end date. This is my average experience with total war.
Man it's so cool seeing you do Shogun 2 and FOTS videos. Been watching the WH vids for a few years now and I've learned so many things from you that I've applied in my Shogun 2 campaigns. Thank you for everything bro!
Loving all of the historical content keep it up!
Definitely my favorite battle legend has done all month!
Find yourself a girl that looks at you the way Legend looks at a stout hill.
I'm loving your return to historical TW. I have Warhammer 1 and 2 and only put like 8 hours in each I just could not get into them and I tried. But Shogun 2 is my most played. Role playing western merchants demolishing samurai with guns never gets old
11:22 Very nice to see how it looks like from the enemy's point of view. If I were them I'd be totally demoralized before even engaging
Couple of days ago I started playing shogun 2, base game as Shimazu, went straight for guns, researched ones over imported ones and got to Kyoto before realm divide, drew the force out, got a hill on my side, set up multiple tiers of gunners and 20 mins later was shogun .
When two or more defensive position cover the same area with their fire it is called overlapping fields of fire. It is a basic principle of defense, you apply it with static defense or defense in depth. Defense in depth refers to a strategy rather than a tactic. It focuses on delaying the enemy by giving ground and having him overstretched and diluted and thus exposed to counter attacks.
I tried saying the same thing in the last video. Defence in depth is a higher order strategy, you can't really employ defence in depth in Total war battles since giving ground doesn't really confer any benefits. Overlapping fields of fire was correct.
the armstrong canons is a menance, they reload twice as fast as the parrot cannons, also if u make them from a blacksmith province that are focus on accuracy upgrade, and build a accuracy training ground plus supervised recruits with a foreign veterans, u can get over 65 accuracy from those cannons and just watch ur cannon rain hell fire to the enemies just with 3 or 4 of them in ur armies.
find a partner that looks at you the same way legend looks at hills
You made me play again shogun 2 and fall of the samurai, I'm enjoying everything, even naval battles
Dude, cannon are King in fall of the samurai.
I'm really enjoying these FoTs battles.
Just wanna add. I had taken a break from your channel. But the return to historical got me checking everyday. Please another shogun campaign!
11:19 that's the money shot, right there.
From memory, shogun FOTS is basically a cannon build race. As soon as you get cannon superiority over other factions, she's done and dusted..
„They are actually ignoring the levy infantry“ wait? Total war AI was able to make decisions at some point? 😂
Where are the tosa rifleman? They are the best skirmish unit/sniper unit in the game! 😢
Honestly AMG is the Coffee tsm are only the cream. If u play on vh/Leg u need to focus on money tech and this is the early stage. Tbo when I finally have some Golden tsr i already won the game on the contrast AMG are the ones who brought me there:-)
How the hell do you play Tosa without Tosa Riflemen? They are quite literaly the Spet Xyon's of Shogun 2. You can take a general plus three Tosa rifles and auto resolve ANY early game battle. Castle with a full stack? 3 Tosa rifles still win in auto resolve. Insane.
Not to mention that they overpower everything in the early game in manual too. They are cost effective and super early available.
We used to have so much fun with the manually shooting in coop campaigns, we could win impossible battles with just a couple of cannons manned by us
Really lovely to see you doing so much historical content. I stopped getting into new TW's after the first Warhammer, which just wasn't for me (not saying they are necessarily bad games). CA is so much down the drain that they have no clue what a huge portion of their fanbase is asking for.
That was a beautifully played defense, but man, those cannons made all the difference! I love doing big hill battles in this game.
its almost magical how an actually good total war title can make you feel after playing a meh total war title for so long
The entire battle I was picturing Legend as the artillery officer just constantly calling new targets:
"Bomb there! No wait -- Bomb here!"
Meanwhile, the poor artellerists keep having to rotate the entire gun after every shot.
When that first canon volley went off it surprised me. I forgot how cool they sounded.
another absolutely fantastic battle loving the content those cannons looked so epic!
this is why i love playing fall of samurai
I just love how you can tell if your winning by being unable to see your units
this expansion is basically what empire could have been, shogun 2 in my opinion was peak total war, it had its ups and downs but to finish on an expansion so crisp and perfected for a traditional to gunpowder age must have been such a challenge for CA of that time to pull off.
TTWH trilogy is brilliant but has more issues around it day by day, rome 2 was a disaster at launch but got better and attila probably deserved more attention but all in all shogun is that one game that sits on top as a labour of love and it shows
Legend sees that hill. “That’s a nice boulder, I like that boulder.”
Legend i think the optimal tactic with artillery is to use them separately. Having one battery target one group of enemies. It gets way more kills than using 4 batteries to shoot one unit. Also, they are far more lethal when you aim them in front of enemies (it does require more macro) because they automatically shot to the flank of the targeted unit.
For real this Hill makes me blush, im dreaming about this in any total war game.
And then look on this long open field infront of that mighty hill GOSH
I have been enjoying the other total war titles from you Legend. Despite me loving warhammer total war (due to being a WHFB player) seeing the other total wars get love is a nice change.
I love the warhammer trilogy. They are my favourite tw game amongst all but taking a break from fantasy to a powder based shogun 2 battle is very refreshing. I am hoping to see more.
Man forgot how great the aesthetics of battles are in Fall of the Samurai, the quality of that smoke makes them feel very immersive 👌
These videos are brilliant, loving the FOTS gun fights.
You really underestimate how good even the parrott guns are in FOTS
And the armstrong guns are just on another level
It's crazy how much damage they can do
Is armstrong artillery really that much better than parrot?
@@TeRRm0s They are twice as fast at reloading and they are also more precise. I think they also have more ammo? not sure about that though
Now that’s a hill worth dying on.
Damn I've forgotten what good total war ai looks like over the years, ai actually had a good effort at making that awkward
What about that seemed remotely intelligent to you? They sent in the cavalry way before the line infantry was in position to fire so they got taken out for free. They sent the sharpshooters in without support so they lose to the higher volume of fire from regular infantry when the sharpshooters could for example just have fired from behind the line with their superior range. They could have waited for their cannons to fire at the very bunched up lines.
Oh man, the gun play in this game is so good!
You know how the expression goes "the hill to die on", well that's it that's the hill right there
Legends older historical stuff getting sent to my feed as well. Guess ill just rewatch it
Legend simping for these hills made my day lol!
FOS simply has the best cannons of any total war game. Which is ironic as heck considering the historical setting was much less scaled than the game portrays. God, a mod for 17th century Europe would be rad as fuck
If I recall correctly, there is a total conversion mod out there for FOTS that does the American Civil War. Which is eminently doable as they even already have a lot of the right weapons for that period already present in FOTS. Not sure if they ever backscaled FOTS to try and make it Napoleon or Empire periods though. Might've been easier than trying to mod Empire or Napoleon into better games, honestly.
At this point the player should've researched rank fire already. Would make this a lot more lobsided than it already is with having cannon superiority. Just noticed its missing.
PS: ahh Legend mentions "Kneel Fire" right at the end there. :) Yep thats what you want!
Legend loves that hill
This is exactly why my late game armies in FotS are literally 50% Armstrong guns and the rest is elite infantry and some gatling guns, and they mainly defend the Armstrong guns. Doesn't matter what I go up against, those cannons destroy everything.
Making the mother of all bombardments here Takasugi, can't fret over every low tier unit!!!!
Imagine having a Tosa army without the riflemen...
And how more powerful arty in FOTS was if it didn't shoot at the extreme left of enemy unit.
To be fair, you can use First Person Shooter mode to manually aim the arty in FOTS. And if you aim well, thousands of kills before the lines clash or sniping General is entirely possible.
Legend you SOB, I just started a Gor-Rok campaign and you’re making me want to install shogun again too