3 BIG MISTAKES You Need To AVOID In Shogun 2
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- In this video I talk about 3 common mistakes I have made during my earlier days of playing this game, with two of these tips will massively increase you income MASSIVELY every turn! Total War: Shogun 2
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00:00 - Intro
00:03 - Metsuke Embed
01:42 - Tax Level
02:27 - Stand and Fight
03:46 - Outro
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What other mistakes do you think people commonly make in shogun 2? Share down below!
Not destroying the Nanban trade port and replacing it in Buzen for the extra accuracy with Tercos and bows!
Not playing shogun 2
Years of playing Shogun 2 and I didn't know you can actually cheese the Tax Level mechanic that way😂. Good job on figuring it out man!
yea its fantastic
@@TotalWarKS Just won the campaign on 1st 3 difficulties as data & wow i didnt know this either. Wont your town population revolt if you keep screwing them over for extra coin every 2nd turn ? Or should i just do it every 3rd turn instead ?
@@thebranch4756
I guess we just have to experiment with the turn number sequence.
I personally went with every 3rd turn since in my game settings that seems to be the "golden" spot between cheese and balanced. Going for every 2nd turn is doable, but it would just mean that you have to have the memory and micromanagement ability capable of tracking/monitoring which settlement you have cheesed.
I know that back to some years after release fots when i desperate with my campaign of choshu and need money. I always built military more than i can afford. Hahaha
@@lukmaanpratomo6866
You don´t need to remember it. The economy info chart tells you by flashing red.
You can also move a metsuke and army between 2 towns and have it always on high taxes. Its only important that every other turn is at least 0 happiness.
Letting them rebel with none of your armies in the province makes them spam just a tinny amount of rebels witch you can cheese for units, generals, and agents, quick EXP with autoresolve. And then you get a public order bonus diminishing for some turns.
Your target should be to have all the provinces in very high taxes with low garrison, thru tech, honor, agents,sake den. At least for a big part of the campaing.
Now on to other topic, do you know how to milk every one of your neighbors for fat stacks of cash every few turns just by selling them some useless military access and be utterly rich?
Im doing a Tokugawa legendary campaign with no units hiring at all and its a walk at the park. Have put the nanban trade port just for the Christianity difference religion public order malus, so I can get as many revolts as possible. And bribing the armies all the time for good quality chad ashigaru units. When the province gets to full christianity Oda Matchlock Ashigaru will start spawning also, and that is really sweet.
1:42 Taxpayers HATE him! see how you can make koku with this one simple trick!
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Shogun 2 is a pretty good showcase of how economies win wars. In higher difficulties the AI essentially cheat, and even if you win your battles consistently you can easily find yourself overwhelmed and outnumbered. You need to be able to pay for the numbers of units you have to recruit, and still leave room to grow.
As it happens, growth from food in Rise of the Samurai is kind of broken. Get the market upgrade that gives bonus food, and you can easily be seeing 30-50 growth in every province you control, every turn.
Also the food surplus will benefit you in the long run. It is often overlooked. I'd avoid upgrading fort for non specialised provinces (or choke points) and avoid upgrading market unless it is your top 5 money making province, in which you place your metsukes (preferably province with gold mines, trade port, nanban trade port, law court, burakumin village)
This. I ve made maths and basically is worth nothing to upgrade non specialized provinces. Its preferable more food. Thing is: you can upgrade them for one final economic push... at the expense of 1.3k of koku to upgrade the castle
i'd agree but forts speed up bushido tree. Markets i do agree not to upgrade them
"They will build a circle" pointing at a square 🤣🤣
>Be Ōtomō.
>Control your island.
>Have 9 tradeships and 1 european tradeship at each trade node.
>Have agents in your cities.
Now you have won the game.
The metsuke tax rate bonus blown my mind!
One exception to not stacking metsuke is when you have many poor provinces and one very rich province for example sado island with a gold mine can be worth stacking metsuke in the early game. Later you can move them to other wealthy provinces.
never noticed that upping the tax level with metsuke doesnt increase the town growth loss, neat.
I gotta go back to Shogun 2, I miss that era of Total War!
its epic
Creative assembly said they put too much effort into shogun 2 so they went c tier. Idk how incompetent a company is lead to do that
I still play it a decade later lol. I just wish troops have more diversity like warhammer
Another mistake that I didn't know you could even make. If your yari ashigaru are in yari wall, they can run as long as you only issue move orders.
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@@tu-estupidez9713 if you issue an attack order they walk. If you issue a move order, they run.
For the Tax rate: unrest also gives -25 growth from "other events" and unhaply populace will prevemt beneficial events as "spring" or "autumn" to fire. As town wealth taxing will make up most of your income by the late game, flip-floppimg the taxrate is sometging i dont really see as beneficial.
Another mistake i see quite often is overleveling the daymio.
The Counsillors provide amazing bonusses on higer levels (+X% Tax and replenishment, -2X% building and recruiting, whilst The Daymio gives X÷2 morale to units under his command.) So best is to have counsillors 1 or 2 levels above the daymio (higher difference makes them disloyal so i'd avoid that) and leading in the Front while the daimyo sits back or deals with naval invasions.
hmm idk if flping tax rate is a non beneficial thing, it can really help especially early on where growth is pretty irrelevant
whys overleveling daimyo a bad thing?
EDIT: oh wait i see
For some cases, squeeze tax technique is useful when you need quick money to build important building like armorer in recruiting province or the metsuke school building or mooney boosting buildings, like very vertile farm, goldmine and burakumin village for instance
As for avoiding over-leveling daimyo, I couldn't agree more! The delusion of grandeur trait capped at 3 and by the time they reach Max lvl they tend to have more personal loyalty to cover the grandeur effect. You can also go through honor skill tree for daimyo and his heir to keep it stable in case the daimyo dies (Except for Uesugi Kenshin which rather start at young age and have good morale boost trait, if I wasn't mistaken. I usually take him to frontline)
For tips I'd add 1. if you are close by, grab trade nodes asap with even just bow ships 2. Maybe don't worry about the Black Ship. It's fun but really expensive. You can easily make do with a stack of cheap bow ships. 3. if you are starting on or near Kyushu, converting to Christianity nets you nanban trade ships, which are useful in combat and also imported matchlock which are good to defend castles etc. 4. Use your agents. As the video says metsuke are great for finance, I try to use the ninja every turn to do something to level up, monks/missionaries can be used for salami-type incite-a rebellion-rebels take over-you expand type tactics. Also spend your points wisely e.g. wait to level up. 5. Replace Yari Ashigaru later on with naginata or similar. Yari samurai can be useful later as a pair of quick blockers/cavalry killers. 6. Finally, exploit selling access/ trade in the early game whenever possible and you're not intending to conquer them!
I don't agree with replacing Yari Ashigaru. Naginata cost 3x as much to recruit and twice as much in upkeep, but they do not give you double performance. The solution to underperforming Yari Ashigaru is more Yari Ashigaru, and to focus on improving your specialist units.
Yes, I agree but it depends a lot on your finances. I do find that later on yari ashigaru require too much micro managing and are too vulnerable to missiles, especially in Yari wall whereas Naginata are more resistant and can be left to do their thing. If you're using a complex unit like Otomo Donderbusses you need to focus on them so the extra outlay is maybe woth it. The exception is obviously the Oda with their amazing Longs, which for me makes the Oda one of the best clans to play! @@vindik8or
Of course yari ashigaru are very useful as meatshields if faced with lots of missile units, or at the top of a slope or to protect archers/muskets etc They tend to be very useful in defensive sieges in Yari wall to deal with the climbers who get over or to block routing troops at the exits!
Only trade ships that occupy trade nodes will generate income. Its not worthy to focus on naval early on. Its better to invest in land units expansion. If your trade ships are not in the trade nodes when its beginning of your turn, you dont get any income from trade nodes in last turn. Meaning you need to have 1 stack of bowships and 1 stack of tradeship to properly secure yourself a trade node, big investment that are not suitable for early game.
For clans which are to the East of the trade nodes bundle I would definitely agree that you should focus on the land campaign. For example, one of the many reasons playing the Oda is so much fun is that you can really virtually ignore the naval aspect except when it comes to not having an enemy force land on your shore. However I think that if you are playing a faction on Kyushu like the Otomo or Shimazu then it can be very worthwhile to grab the trade nodes in the first few turns with even just a bow koboya because that can generate a lot of useful income once you get trade ships up and running and on them. One trade ship on a trade node can generate that essential income you need and also the access to goods can tip the balance when it comes to securing trade agreements and payments from potential trading partners. Of course, it's normally better to concentrate on securing your army-producing and your crops/cash-rich/ very fertile money makers and if possible securing your borders, for example the whole island of Kyushu or a defendable chokepoint like Mino but grabbing the trade nodes without generating more enemies than you want relatively easily in the first few turns or so does pay off, I would argue. 😜@@RG-hx8uc
1:57 the big negative to doing this is any towns that are red for the high tax turn will get a debuff called "discontent" which lowers the growth of the town by A LOT more... like -20. Doing this early game gives you a per turn boost to your income but it will stunt your mid to late game growth. Keep that in mind.
the metsuke embedding is gonna make a huge difference for economy, which in turn is going to make a huge difference for EVERYTHING. Very useful tip.
hope it helped!
Metsuke increase the tax rate AND reduce the admin costs. And yes they have diminishing returns like everything economy related in Shogun 2. So put em into 5 different towns. Don't waste Ninja on towns though like wtf...
Army Sabotage is way too good on the field.
a few good sabotages can turn a losing field in a murderstreak to all of their armies, basically imagine having 2 ninjas and encountering a 2v3 or something... suddenly you have 3 2v1s. divide and conquer
This your first Shogun 2 video? I learned some things, so please keep it going!
I find economy one of the most difficult things to get right in the game and, honestly, I'm still not sure I understand how it all works even with over 500 hours in the game.
"they will form a circle" *points at a rectangle *
I'd love to see a video/series covering the alternative scenario type Mods available in 2023 for Shogun II/FTS and Napoleon especially The Great War, Pike and Shot, the Zulu and US Civil war related ones. Are they worthwhile? Do they crash/How playable/glitchy are they etc.
Having played this game for like 1500 hours, if you are safe from attacks early on then keeping the tax rate to the second lowest creates huge growth pretty quickly. This only really works if you are a clan that can easily take a few provinces without much aggression. This does not work in the "hard" clans where you are surrounded by enemies, locked into alliances, and only have one province. Otherwise, yes, the high tax medium tax strat is very good.
3:39 weird looking circle but ok
Not sure if you said this, but when you put your metsuke into the town you want to adjust the tax rate(turn off and on)to see the increased income from him on the first turn he gets into the town. Otherwise you miss out on the cash for that one turn.
I got a rtx3070 twp years ago and still havent played shogun with it. I should one of my fav and i preorder back when it was available
The tax thing is great and will make your campaigns so much easier. Its effect on growth isn't important because the extra revenue you get from the very high tax slider is more than growth could ever reasonably get you for most of the game. Growth is only useful by the time you have like 40 or more settlements and by that point the game is already won.
Thank you
I would add on tips for new player: spam ashigaru early game. Quantity is a quality in itself and with the op yari wall it's a really good tactic too defeat opponent. Focus economic building early and don't try to make to many "recruitement" building. If you have a trade node early game rush naval construction to occupy it at the earliest with a single boat even non merchant. Two light cavalry unit can gang on the ennemy general and defeat him with ease wich will crush the moral of the ennemy army making it a good investment to have. Also bow ashigaru are more cost effective than samourai bow. Two bow ashigaru will have more fire power than one bow samourai for less cost and will defeat the samourai in a range duel.
The tax level cheese works on most TW games such as Empire.
Good advices.I'd add :
- Don't hesitate to burn existing building and build markets, temples and inns
- Using agents in general in EVERY role they can have. Sabotage armies and buildings, foment revolts, bribe enemy generals to have more, etc !
- Have general leading separete armies (even by themselves) and participate as reinforcement to farm their XP (one infantery gen and a cav gen do wonders !)
After stand and fight get the fear attribute unless your character already has the sword of Amaterasu retainer.
do the fears not stack?
@@lawrencekhoo503 No.
yea I usually crank taxes to maximum almost every Fall Season.
There is a negative effect on town growth if you increase the tax and in the next turn low it. I tried to do it but there is a negative effect called "-25 other" It happend in FoTS i dont now if in Sengoku campain happen.
You can kind of do this in Rome 1 as well
still shocked stand and fight is where it is in the tech tree. Clutched many unwinnable fights with it over the years
I totally thought you were saying asians instead of agents. I'm like, "Which one, though?"
Time for some hearing aids 😂
Me and a buddy were on a huge shogun 2 binge recently. Unfortunately around turn 50 we started having desync issues along with battle loading issues. I went ahead and gave him my save file and that fixed the desync issues but now every battle we attempt to fight we get the black screen 299 glitch. We did have one mod that boosted the economy slightly but otherwise vanilla. We both have good internet and both running ssds. Is there anyway you know to avoid this glitch. I figure that campaign is unplayable unless you have any tricks to try. Thanks anyone who can help shogun 2 is one of the best total wars in my opinion I just hate the glitches it comes with.
From playing shogun2 for many many years, im convinced that +3 melee attack is automaticly assigned to all infantry from begining of the battle, since its even stated in description of the perk, +3 for army under generals command, the ability to stand and fight is just another ability in that skill.
Also, do you even geometry dude? :D
Based on my experience with Total War games for years, I'd say you were right. I've never had any reason to believe it was tied to the ability itself.
Is there a mod for multiple agents?
.Do not aggreesive at begining time(Political risk)
.Make vassals protect your trade ships(your economy)
This thumbnail looks like every Otomo campaing.
the tax mechanic you mentioned is not a great strategy. It's good for when you need a boost of money, but it's not ideal to do it all the time, as it hampers the growth of your provinces.
Growth is important particularly in fall of the samurai so don’t try and cheese to much
Wtf, why are the mechanics behind metsuke not explained ANYWHERE?! I had no idea how effective they are!
are they lvl up in towns ? without some agent action
stick em in the towns long enough and they lvl up bc overseeing towns itself is a agent action.
@@asdfg2941 thanks all thoose years i only used them as anti agents lol
Shogun 2 should enable the tab cheat sheet
Add a few more to the list...
Town growth is the mechanic which is practically taxable population income...
1) If you're playing as Christian fraction, build churches all over the place. It keeps public order in check, convert the population, helps with research on the chi tree and it also gives the province town growth which will help the province generate more income over time.
2) Positive food helps increase the town growth. Negative results in negative public order
3) Ports and market generate town growth but market takes up one food in exchange for town growth and income per turn.
2) Conversion to Christianity gives negative daimyo honor.
3) Establishing vassals gives your daimyo honor. This can be used to offset the negative honor if you convert to Christianity, go around looting provinces or break/declare war after signing deals. Vassals created after you become the Shogun don't suffer from realm divide debuff.
Also, I hadn't realised that low Daimyo honour affected public disorder. One hint I found useful regarding unrest is that if you let a recently conquered but unruly town rebel and then re-take it, the public order is a lot better.
Not exploiting the tax system isn't a mistake.
well... the problem with this agme is that computer have infinite resources and manpower, and you need to do such shid to survive, its boring
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I think maximum tax trick is cheating, and we should not use this in the game
I thought this was about to be a three kingdoms video :(
maybe next one, depends whatever idea comes to me first and seems doable