Why Logic's Drummer is Deeper Than You Ever Imagined (& 3 Ways to Access That Depth)
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Logic's Drummer has everything you need for great drum tracks. Sometimes you just have to dig a bit deeper! Here are 3 ways to get the most out of Drummer. 
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I’m a recent Pro Tools to Logic convert, and I’m amazed almost daily at all this new stuff I was unaware of. “Convert to midi? Really?!” And “Follow?! What??!! Thank you!
I love Drummer so much, and you’re right that it doesn’t get nearly enough credit. Another cool thing... if the full track stack is a bit too daunting from a mixing perspective, there’s an intermediary between the producer kit and the stereo one track version. If you have the regular kit loaded, you can click on drum kit designer and switch it from stereo to multiple output mode. This will add + and - buttons to the bottom of the channel, and when you hit plus, it will start giving you separate tracks that are a bit pre-mixed. For example kick in and out are mixed to one kick, same with snare, overheads and toms are mixed to stereo, and all the elements retain their under the hood processing with compression, eq, reverb, etc... It’s a really great way to dip your toes into mixing drums before graduating to the producer kits, and mixing the producer kits helps prepare you for learning to mix live drums, which is by far the most complicated instrument to mix.
Love it! Thanks so much for digging into that Jeff :)
wow thats good to know because sometimes the stereo kit blends better
Another way to do this is convert the drum track to midi. Open piano roll and under the piano roll view click show drum names. Then edit the drums to your liking, adding drum hits that may not be in the original drum editor settings. When done go to the tracks view, right click on the drummer midi file and select midi/separate by note pitch. Then you can buss it as you like.
Drummer was honestly in the top 3 reasons I bought a MacBook - needed drummer...needed logic...needed MacBook. Drums are one of the main things that ruin home produced stuff imho when they sound so unrealistic or just looped samples. There’s genius in drummer I think.
Chris ... I've been working with multi output for drummer (4 tracks, covering kick and snare and hi-hat and cymbals and toms, plus summing) - the producer kits that you've introduced to me with this video around 8 minutes in - it blew my mind! This is the 2nd time you've done this for me. You've renovated my understanding of Logic Pro. Thank you so much!
I suck at programming drums..logic DRUMMER changed my life! I love it!
I never knew I could change the drumkit components. That is awesome. Yes, much more depth of control than I thought existed. Very cool.
Great tutorials. Thank you for taking the time to do these. Best Logic tutorials I've come across to date: clear, concise, and informative.
Keep em' videos comin'! Love it when u go in-depth with plugins and tools!
i'm a drum machine fanatic since 1983... i have an Oberheim DMX, a Linn LM-1, a LinnDrum, Linn 9000, Akai MPC60, MPC3000 and more... i love to program them... i also have Superior Drummer and almost all the sound packs, and a DW kit ... Logic's Drummer is the *_FIRST_* technology i've seen that can come up with parts equal to/or better than what i was looking for... i look forward to seeing what my Drummer personalities will come up with... it feels like working with a human, in the sense that it won't always do exactly what you want... but the real excitement IMO is the times it will actually *_IMPROVE_* on what i'm going for... several times i've been left laughing at the "magic"... take time to learn Drummer... experiment with it... you might love it...
Best Logic Pro channel! Thank you for this stuff man, I have learned so much! I was actually pulling out a multi press to comp the bass track but now, that producer kit, just beautiful man. I had no idea. Logic is awesome👍👌
Awesome video! I use drummer a lot, specially when I am creating something to follow my guitar or bass riffs. I usually mix it together with some other drum plugins so I can get that huge metal drum tone.
Wow. Definitely slept on it. Converting to midi, and access to each element to mix accordingly!?! Thank you for this.
I love this tutorial. I found it extremely useful. Thanks a mill!
Just dropping in to say thank you. I recently switched to Mac and Logic and your videos have been of immense value to learning new things within Logic!
Excellent vid. The best one I'v seen on the topic
Great video, lots of information neatly presented, thanks!
Totally agree. I have never seen anything like it and I use it all the time. Got a few new tips form your vid. Thanks so much.
DUDE! THIS IS BLOWING MY MIND! Thank you for this.
Excited to play around with this!
Extremely valuable tips. Thank you so much!
Super helpful. Didn’t realize that you could go so deep with drummer. Thanks for this video
I was unaware of several of these features. Thank you for this video!
I'm a drummer and when I found this option in Logic I was blown away - its really cool the way you can latch to instruments in the mix, swing, change the feel - use the matrix to play soft / hard / complex - its really good! Now I'll aways record my own live drums over but it lets me arrange and make tunes feel way more real!
Amazing, You are one of the very best! Thank you so much!!
My only request would be for Apple to add some more drummers to this. They did that once with the newer percussion Drummers, so how's about a Jazz drummer? Or a Latin Drummer, or a reggae Drummer. Apple? Or even better to open up the API to third party creators...like they have with Final Cut. That would be awesome (to use a somewhat overfamiliar term!).
Yeah! To being able to create our own drummers, rhythms, etc. Also AI bassist, Keyboard player, singer, etc. #apple has the power to do so...
A metal drummer style category would be nice - just like you have rock style category and can choose between rock types (punk, Brit pop, hard rock etc.) - the metal style would allow you choose metal styles like thrash, death, power, black (all four would use blast beats and the drummers would have double kick as an option and fast paced kick playing and fills), symphonic (perhaps would use an orchestral kit), brutal/hardcore (like deathcore, metalcore or brutal death, would be able to even use quadruple pedals and be rapid making rapid blast beats), glam (simple but hard), alternative (perhaps using some custom percussion like tambourine), industrial (perhaps may use electronic kits), Gothic, ambient/atmospheric (all three would use roomy and large sounding, atmospheric kits to make it dark and atmospheric), groove (hard hitting beats with a lot of groove), progressive/djent (very fast blast beats and very intricate with lots of double kick and perhaps cymbal muting) doom (very slow,hard hitting beats on the Heavy kit) and, of course classic heavy metal which would just be a heavier and faster rock beat with double bass kicking.
It'd be also nice if the drum kit synth allowed us to further customise the setup if the kit, for example, allowing more than one kick drum or different percussion instruments like timpani or cajon to be added to the kit. I would also like to see an option for the drummer to change what beater they use, as that would change the sound of the kit - for example instead of plain old sticks, they could use jazz brushes or timpani mallets or different stick types or just their hands, all of which would affect how the kit sounds (it could be set on automation so the drummer could start off playing with sticks and maybe play the toms with mallets on the choruses and then come back to sticks, then maybe use his bare hands at the end).
Similarly to Amp designer, it would also be nice to be able to change how the drums are miced and what microphones are used.
@@RenatoPernett the Singer bit would definitely be amazing. You could write what lyrics you want and set how you want them done - be it spoken, rapped, shouted, sung, screamed, growled, shrieked, whispered etc. You could change the singer's voice - baritone, tenor, soprano etc and how long they hold each note for. You could change singer style too (I.e. a hip hop singer who could sing or rap or shout, or a metal singer who could sing, shout, scream, growl or do vocal effects like pig squeals). It would give way to people who write lyrics but are insecure about their voice, or are not good singers or otherwise don't want to sing.
@@AnkothOfficial exactly! I mean, if we, common sense mortal people, can imagine that, why #apple doesn't make it happen? Got the money, got the mind talented engineers, etc. Are they living in lazytown or what?
@@RenatoPernett I don't think the idea has hit them yet. Or it may also be the case that they fear the elitists who would claim making music like this is "cheating" etc.
first off I want to thank you for the fine tutorials in Logic. you've solved several issues that I've had. Logic's Drummer is very impressive, I was on the verge of leaving Logic all together when I discovered that Logic was having timing errors when recording 8 audio channels of drums simultaneously. I opted to record an E-drum MIDI performance using Logic's Drummer. It turned a demo into a professional recording.
Great video! This Drummer feature is really amazing for home studios.
Love Drummer as well and totally agree that it is one of the most underrated parts of LPX. One thing I started doing was piping the drummers into Ultrabeat instead of Drumkit Designer then started loading my own samples.
You are so right! Thank you for this video! The follow is the key. I was trying to use it without follow and it was a nightmare so I gave up on it but after watching your video, I tried the follow me and it is sweet! Thanks!
Thanks buddy!
God bless you and yours!!
This is absolutely amazing!!!
Love this video and love logic. Thanks I've subbed
Amazing content thanks so much!
Thanks for sharing will watch more ...
WOOOOOOW didnt know any of those producer kits + options. Game changer. Thank you
great tutorials over all (length, tonality speech wise, methodology of teaching leads to intuitive learning) !
I am exploring drummer lately, this is a great video on the engine, thank you.
Very powerful…..I’m still learning and getting to grips with drummer. These videos really help.
Logics drummer has been awesome since day 1 for me ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Great Video 👍
Awsoome videos mate I love the drummer I wish they had a bass guitar that did the same
Thank you so much for that last little tid bit about expanding and seeing the track stack. im on the bubble. I feel like Logics drummer is my sercret weapon...its like I want to tell people and at the same time I don't because I feel like its too good to be true and I wanna keep it all to myself..but I wont.. my personal favorite trick. I select the drummer track to be the groove track, I click the bass to follow, then I go back into the drummer track and tell the drums to follow the bass.....yes as you probably know. this literally creates a bulletproof rhythm soul. thanks for all your great tips.....#logicforlife
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Great! Did not know the depth of it. Will dig in. Please continue that good stuff
Will dude Gunnar, thank you!
Great video and clear, concise explanation!
I already do all of this, and I fully agree. In my own experience, Drummer sounds as good if not better than recorded drums. I love having the options to really fine-tune drums through midi. It also is great for sparking creativity when you don’t have a preconceived idea of how the drum parts in your tunes should sound.
Heck yeah Jack! Drummer astounds me with it's versatility. I've heard completed tracks where I had to ask, "is this a real drummer, or Logic's drummer?" And the answer is , "nope, just Logic's Drummer." (!!!)
Spot-on... I have use Drummer on hundreds of tracks. I think it sounds great.
great work!
Drummer is remarkable, ive got a few drum plug ins but find myself coming back to Drummer a lot! Currently looking at beat mapping in Logic which is also very cool and helps with a more natural feel I think. New to the channel thanks for the vids.
this is super useful!! thanks! i just bought XO before i see this video
great tutorial thanks - I like to drag regions into Ad2, works great
Drummer is great. I like to drag the Drummer performance regions after I've tweaked them into it's own MIDI track and then further tweak it (with Producer Kits of course) and then blend the two together with their own processing.
Making drummer a track stack producer kit changes everything fro me. that's exactly what I've been wanting to do! thanks for the awesome video. I agree way underrated. what more could you need really? haha
Was it helpful to me? Yes, it was VERY helpful! Thanks for the time you took to do this wee tutorial. :)
Awesome! Thank you!
Thank you man, keep making amazing content!!!!!
You are brilliant to discover these things. I find Logic pretty opaque, but the "convert to MIDI" trick alone in this video will give me some more running room.
Great video! Need to learn more about all these neat tricks in Logic. Got yourself a new subscriber!
Awesome! Thanks for subscribing Sean :)
You are amazing really the best, I work first back in the 80 with digital performance then open a small comercial studio and began using protools HD last year I have The opportunity to buy an Apple MacBook Pro and fall in love with GarageBand for a production I was making, then I began to see your videos to know how move around, I move to logic version thanks to you I’m so glad I did it I still record on ProTools and everything else in logic wish you the best great job 🤘🏻🤛
I like it better than just about every other drum instrument I’ve ever used. And the percussionists are great as well.
Great tutorial! Thank you sir 🤘🤘💜💜
Thank you for checking out the channel David!
Just when I thought I knew drummer well enough! Thanks so much for this video!🔥
Excellent. As someone transitioning from Garageband iOS this is opening a whole new vista of expressivity: thanks! In particular being able to choose which kind of cymbals that blew my mind.
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Great insight in the drummer app in logic
Wow! Didn't know it was so deep & tweakable. Thanks for this.
No prob Chaplin, thanks for checking out the channel!
I too love Drummer - I used it to great effect on many tracks. Didn't know about the Producer Kits option though - this will give me even more options :-)
Once again- you hit it out of the park.
Amazing thanks for sharing
Awesome Tutorial
Love the videos! Thank you
Thanks for checking out the channel Alfredo!
Awesome video. I’m glad I found you.
Thanks so much!
The best kept secret not so secret anymore .....needs massive kudos...nicely done mate! Cheers
Dang.... you did it again. I cant believe this was always under the hood. #genius level teacher
wow. THIS IS AWESOME!!!!
Thanks great video
Thanks for sharing these hidden features!
Great video
Thanks Andrew!
I had to google this one about the stereo drums to multiple outs (When choosing Drum Kit Designer as an instrument for a channel strip, choose Multi Output. This will give us the ability to send all of the kit’s pieces to individual auxiliary channel strips that are assigned to Drum Kit Designer.) This way here after the fact I can change it.
Love Drummer, use it all the time!
Thank you !
Wow! I had no idea you could change drummer to MIDI. Game changer!
Oh my god, I totally didn't know you can convert the logic drummer track to midi!! I thought I was just stuck with it... I am mindblown
Thank you so much for the content and help! can you please tell me how to convert that midi region to Multi output so that i can route them to the mixer for further mixing etc?
It's definitely viable for demos/preproduction.
True, but if that's the case, you run the risk of giving the real drummer you're gonna use demoitis. Depending on the track, if I have a real drummer booked, I'd rather give them a spare demo with just the instrument I wrote the tune on, and the vocal, and let them put their voice to it. But for tracks where it's all me, this is a great time saver.
Not only demos or preproduction. Converting the drummer regions to midi regions you can really edit and perfectionate your patterns. More than just some preprod ideas
Awesome videos! What I really wish apple would add is a way to tap in a general beat feel rather than having to audition every drummer and preset to find something like what you're looking for.
Thanks Aaron! You definitely can tap in a general beat using a MIDI controller or with Logic's Musical Typing feature (key command: Command-K). Is that what you're thinking?
Why Logic Pro Rules Not exactly. Thinking something like what addictive drums has where you can input a groove and it will give options that match the feel. Drummer is still great option though considering it's free with logic. It just never sounds exactly like what I heard in my head.
Since the kick and snare are arguably the most responsible for the groove, while the hi hats and cymbals are more responsible for energy, you could just open up a drum kit instrument on a regular midi channel, tap out your groove like you described, and then set Drummer’s follow button to that midi track. Of course, you’d still have to adjust your complexity, toms, cymbals, ghost notes, swing, etc... but the follow button really goes a long way towards giving you custom control over the accent beats.
Thanks!
wow eye opener
What a great tutorial for an amazing product. I wish I were better at using this. In particular, I'd love to know an easy way to quickly put a drum track together based on a song that inspires me. Most song writing starts by imitation. Often I'll hear a great song and think id like do something similar. There probably is an easy way to pick any song and try to emulate the drum track?
Thanks... to be honest I have often had fellow musicians ask who played drums on my tracks. I play a number of instruments (one being drums) which is a huge advantage in creativity. I love real players, of course, however, there are instances where time and money rule the roost and I am afraid the buying public just don't give a what ever who played drums whether it be a world class cat, or, hopefully my world class fingers lol.
It really is amazing and should treated as it's own instrument not unlike when I use Roland TD drums. They are not to replace real drums... they are rather, I feel, an instrument choice. Remember players at one point thought the death of the industry was electric anything. Thanks Chris for another insightful post and I must say I have gleaned many nuggets of goodness from this well informed site!
JD
for drum rolls and works great
Great tutorials! Thank you! When you convert a drum track to midi and make adjustments? If we convert it back to a drum track should those adjustments remain?
I like to do an Alias of the Drummer Regions and put it on a separate track where I have Addictive Drums 2.By muting the Drummer I can use AD2 in GM mapping to a kit of my choice.It updates as I mess around with each Drummer Region.
There is SO MUCH choice !
I love drummer! You barely scratched the surface! I like creating alias tracks from drummer and using those to trigger different MIDI hits and sounds that I can then mix with the drummer kit. For example I'll use drummer to trigger drum sounds from Addictive Drums (I like a lot of it's sounds) and use Drummer more like a sequencer. The beauty of using alias tracks is if I make a change in the original drummer track, it makes the same change in the alias.
The alias tracks can also be transposed to MIDI once drummer has laid the groundwork effortlessly!
Harold McLaughlin that’s sounds extremely interesting! How would I go
about doing that?
@@DecontructRecreate It's very easy- What I do is create a new Virtual Instrument track under my Drummer track. I set Addictive Drums as the instrument. I then just option/shift drag the Drummer regions I want down to that track. Addictive Drums (set it to map to Drummer in its settings) will then play whatever Drummer does. You can turn the Drummer track off, or blend it in as you like. I also turn individual AD drums on or off as a track needs- for example maybe I like the snare but turn off the high hat, kick, etc.
Aliases work of course with any MIDI instrument or MIDI drum program- I've been using them a lot with the Demo version of Steven Slate Drums- it only gives you one kit to play with, but why not use those sounds as well, as it's a really well recorded kit. Give it a try!
Thanks so much for the great Tutorial! You said at the beginnig that Drummer could follow verse and chorus, how do i do that and is it also possible that the drummer follows a lead guitar for example? Cheers
Love Drummer... LOVE IT...
Thank u so much. I’ve been out of music. Both writing n production for nearly 6 years and I NEEDED this exact level of teaching to help me catch up as I almost spent a fortune I don’t have on melody ever etc when this all I need (sorry that was ur other tut) but this really has my mind going n with the right sounds is superior drummer even needed? Also any reasonable alt to metal V or other heavy ass Rythym gtr synth? My real guitar just doesn’t sound nearly as polished and I’d rather program it to pads for my less guitar savvy band mate to play live since I’m already doing vocals and as much live lead programming noisier cinematic guitars percussion actual drums at parts to emphasize the real drummer and half the lead vocals. Lol. So automation is a must even though live playing is a huge part of what we do. Three ppl and the one who needs to do the heavy rhythms is other singer and she controls visuals mainly as well as plenty of switch flipping n knob spinning w her NI controllers.
Also I am using Maschine studio as my main equip piece and some cheap custom controls for midi that my maschine and other brand controllers aren’t enough to simplify within reason. Anyhow, I could use ANY advice on anyone doing similar experiments.....it’s become a sort of performance art with the spirit of Phil Anselmo n Datsik instead of daft punk or some art school hippies lol. But I have no one to talk w as I use logic n Ableton as songwriting n performing tools and not for perfect mixing or mastering which I use someone else for who is watching the project grow and is also having trouble w the vast amount of A/V output and computation limits. (Added Audiobus on iOS to put some strain on iPads as well )
Thanks great video, can you customize kicks patterns without converting regions to midi , or after converting them to midi can you switch back to the drummer video so automatically adding fills and stuff ?
Thank you!!!!!
Thank you for watching!
If you want to put your own samples on the drums instead, you can separate the midi region by pitch and it will create a new track for each piece of the kit. Then you just make each track whatever sample or instrument you like.
hi , I did this and changed the drummer in to midi and its great , but my kik and snare are in stereo ,and can't get them to mono ,,can anyone help ,thanks
Drummer is amazing. It's easy to create flake instruments that sound good. Drums has always been really difficult. This software is such a game changer. It's a little odd to get used to, cause it doesn't work like normal drum plugins, but it's worth messing with. Even as a drummer, this thing is amazing for getting ideas for drums and even as the drums for a demo. It's also easy to get it to follow the bass, which is so damn awesome haha
Apparently you can actually click keep kit when changing drummers, then use a 3rd party drum plugin like battery, maschine, etc...
(you can click on drum kit designer and switch it from stereo to multiple output mode). How can this be done what buttons need to be activated, where is that menu hidden?
Hey Chris. This is more advanced level. I changed drummer to midi and the hi hat retains it's open or closed status according to drummer session, not the midi notes. So the same midi note will play open or closed hi hat and I'm having trouble changing from closed to open. I tried to change in the drum kit the input mapping from GM to GM + Modwheel controls HH opening level. This helped on some notes but not all when automating the Modwheel. If you know what's going on here, let me know. Thanks!
Please do a Vid. How to Use Apples Outdated Midi Environment, to have multiple midi controllers for multitrack instruments.