2019 Ferrari SF90 is known for having the most powerful V6t F1 engine and 2020 Mercedes W11 is known as the greatest F1 car ever in corners. There's no better track than Spa if we want to compare the two on one single circuit. S1 & S3 of Spa are just Monza with less corners, and S2 is practically Hungary, and we get to see SF90 killing it in S1 & 3 and W11 crushing it in S2. In addition, as if that's not extreme enough, SF90 actually had a tow in Q3 that gave it an extra 3-5km/h (top speed 3-5km/h lower in Q2 no-tow laps), while W11's pole lap was done with softer tyres, no dirty air (Q3 Hamilton came out first) and in better weather. It was also said that Mercedes chose a higher downforce setup for W11 anticipating a wet Sunday. So in a way we're witnessing the enhanced performance of both SF90 on straights and W11 in corners. Comparing them to 2016 Q3, SF90 actually scored 4-5km/h higher top speed (in DRS zone) while in S2 alone W11 beat 2016 by over 5s. This really tells how powerful that SF90 engine is, and how far F1 has come since the 2017 overhaul. It's a shame we won't be seeing this kind of quali speeds for a very long time.
I think the mercedes engine might have been as powerful as the ferrari engine, but that the drag generated by the W11's high downforce setups was so strong that it significantly slowed the car down on the straights.
@@humanoidsteam8223 fastest on teh straight doesn't mean faster all around, look at that W11 beat ferrari by 1sec+ that's a lot with lower straight line speed
This Mercedes W11 is quite simply the greatest F1 car ever made. The way Lewis made up that 0.5 second gap in three corners after the kemmel straight is astounding.
@@karanbraria93 yeah, but this is stupidity. It’s illegal that Ferrari was that quick in the straights, but not that Mercedes was that quick in the corners? We all know why everyone went against Ferrari and not against Mercedes. Child
@@michelemussap34 There was no such rule against DAS. However, Ferrari's fuel supply system went against the rule. Had Mercedes used DAS in 2021, it would have been illegal. Mercedes did not cheat, they used a loophole.
@@valonkurtaj7107 well yes but no cause in the end, Ferrari had to scrap their "loophole" and now look how far they are behind Merc and RB...Also the FIA were tigh lipped about what Ferrari did so that indefinitely hints cheating.
Im pretty sure the 2020 Mercedes engine was pretty much on the level of the cheated Ferrari engine. The merc just produces a lot more downforce and drag.
@@29pesos51 SF1000 chassis was garbage... Way too much drag and the car was unstable in medium and high speed corners. The W11 is the best chassis in F1 history in terms of downforce and it's engine is only capped by this year's Mercedes engine and the SF90.
@@petethecat5039 Exactly. They developed the SF1000 around the SF90 engine, but they had to build one from the ground up in a month time (they obviously couldn't use the 2019 engine). Due to the lack of power, they ended up with a way too draggy car (for the PU) so they then needed to remove aero to reduce drag thus making it more unstable in corners. A numerical demonstration would be: 10 chassis, 10 aero, 9 PU = 8 performance 9 chassis, 9 aero, 9 PU = 9 performance So it's better the compromise than what they had. But that meant going from 10 (Top Team) to 9 (Medium to Upper midfield), still better than 8 (Medium to Low midfield) tho
Well, even though the W11 has a lot more downforce than the sf90, I believe that Leclerc had to lift because he was like 10km faster on the straight, than Hamilton, before entering the pouhon. Of course, this could have been due to the fact that the sf90 was running a bit lower front wing setup for better top speed.
@@slow11189 You could have a point but, personally, I don't think that the sf90 is so much faster than the w11. We know that it's engine has the most hp of all during the v6 period, but damn. Also, the fact of having slower tyres could affect the car's downforce performance.
That ain't happening since 2018(I mean onboard pole laps with telemetry,that was part of the reason I've been downloading every single pole lap year after year for the sake of comparison)
I understand the need for a rule change overhaul for the purpose for better racing, but I must say it's a shame that we won't see another car that's even remotely similar or possibly eclipse the W11 for quite some time, if ever. The amount of ingenuity and innovation that went into building that supreme car is truly *breathtaking.*
@Alan ALI 12 I don't think one can definitively determine last season would've been even faster than it was had front wings remained unaltered for 2019. Anyway, we'll never find out for certain. We can, of course, also ponder how this season's lap times thus far would've been w/o floor alterations.
@Alan ALI 12 Right at the first (Australian) GP of the 2019 season, Lewis beat his 2018 pole lap by 7 tenths, yes, they took the complex front wings away, but compensated the resulting aero efficiency loss with way more front and rear wing surface area, 2019 cars were draggier but also "downforcier" than their predecessors FROM THE GET-GO, race pace was also generally better than in any previous v6 turbo hybrid season before.
@Alan ALI 12 Yeah, now list all the venues where 2019 cars were faster, I believe you'll find that the later season was confidently the faster one on average... There are many variables to consider, track conditions for one will not be consistent year to year, the Pirellis - like for most seasons - were brand new for 2019 with different operating temperature windows, AND, admittedly, the 2018 cars' performance scaled much better on drag-sensitive circuits like Spa for the above mentioned reasons, which partly explains that deficit (qualifying was much hotter there in 2019, it must also be mentioned)...
@Alan ALI 12 2018 was the second year of the wider cars with more aero development freedom, the cars were quiet complex already, we have no way of telling how much more the teams could've improved their machinery from there... While from 2019 to 2020 we saw an enormous speed increase on the same tyres (with often higher, nonideal pressure levels).
That Ferrari had some insane speed on the straights but means nothing if you have to brake more and be later back on the power. That W11 was so nice to watch through the corners and how much later Lewis could brake before it and then get right back on the power 🙌🏻 legendary car
The W11 can go 20+kph faster in the medium speed corners, and almost as much in the high speed. Some of that must have been a difference in track evolution and different tire compounds. But still, the w11 has got sooo much downforce. It looks like it's on rails.
"Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines"- Enzo Ferrari vs "Adding power makes you faster in the straights. Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere" - Colin Chapman.
Just different way of making cars go faster. Mercedes make the best engine since 2014, that is the fundamentally of their success. Right now you can't do much about weight because it's heavily ruled, engineers just have more freedom back in the days
@@luciniho1 Friend, not being on pole doesn't discount the quality of the lap. The redbull was fastest all weekend. Lewis getting close as he did was an amazing job. The cars weren't at all close.
@@Bahamuttiamat The Mercedes was probably faster in France. And Bottas was like a tenth off Hamilton. Lewis can still pull out amazing laps though, but they are coming less and less frequent. Max, George and Leclerc do it like every weekend.
@@luciniho1 Bottas avg to lewis has been a 1.6ish tenths since 2017. What exactly are you insinuating. Max has had the car for pole is pretty much every race but has dropped it numerous times. Baku, imola, portugal, monaco to name a few. Considering his pole strike rate lags far behind his win rate speaks volumes to this.
Vettel's Q2 lap from 2018 was less than three tenths slower than what Lewis did in 2020. (yes, Q2, since Q3 was wet), just saying, another cool comparison
The 2018 Ferrari is actually faster than the 2019 SF90... The SF90 only had the straightline speed going for it. The SF71-H was actually a very balanced car.
@@theTutenstien The moment the FiA looked into the legality of the engine and came to an "undisclosed settlement" with Ferrari, suddenly their engine performance fell off a cliff. The FiA wouldn't want to accuse the largest brand in F1 of cheating, hence the "undisclosed settlement". But it was clear to everyone that they were cheating. I believe Max Verstappen even outright called them cheaters in that season.
@@yasharxo885 yes. Auto sport and the race wrote articles on it aswell as in-depth videos. The FIA was sneaky with the situation aswell with the obvious connections with Ferrari. Let’s just say a lot of underhand shit was going on. But everybody knows that Ferrari cheated and they’re still a bunch of clowns.
@@thef1master670 Oh for F's sake. It wasn't illegal. The FiA deemed illegal after the whole circuit protested about it. It was a very simple loophole in the technical regulation
What really demonstrates the difference is how much extra speed Hamilton carried into the corner after the Kemmel straight. Leclerc's speed dipped into the 170s while Hamilton kept his car well above 180 and every succeeding corner amplified that advantage.
That W11 is simply magnificent. While it's sad that we won't see anything quite like it again for some time, it has certainly been immortalized as arguably the greatest F1 car of all time
The ferrari basicly lost all the time it gained on the straight within 1 or 2 corners. The w11 had insane amounts of downforce while still having incredible effiency.
Merc is about 14/15 kph slower on the straights and still managed to beat the Ferrari at a power unit heavy track. You can see how much more stable the Merc is as Leclerc seems to be fighting with the car more through the corners. He makes more jabby micro corrections to the wheel than Lewis does.
This car was just in a league of it’s own. This stint and the Q3 stint he did at the Immola circuit was bananas .. The crazy part about that stint in Immola was that he was only shy of a tenth faster to gain the pole from Valtteri Bottas
Charles carries so much more speed through rad..however you spell it, and then through the straight. Then the merc demolishes the SF for the rest of the track. Really interesting to see. Thanks for the upload!
I always thought power of the SF-90 engine was too much for Ferrari's own good. Not only their top speed was high, but also their acceleration was crazy and they always needed to brake heavily, every little section. They needed a better adjusted gearbox
The track had so much more grip in 2020. The W11 was certainly a better chassis, but the SF90 with the questionable engine easily could have been close to the same speed as the SF71H which did a 1:41.5 in Q2.
To be fair, Hamilton was 4 wheels off on a few corners where Leclerc was well within track limits at a much lower speed. But the clear tell that the W11 is just better in the corners was the start of S2 where Hamilton absolutely blitzed the first 3 corners.
The only problem in this video is that it doesn't consider track condition, in 2018 vettel did a 1.41 as did hamilton. In 2019 all drivers were above 1.42. This is the problem with spa, such a long track creates more variables
Wow this showcase the best of both cars. That's why the Ferrari was so good in low drag races. The Merc is another beast in corners too. It's funny how Ferrari were fast in slow speed corners with their traction these days compare to their low drag days. Also Ferrari just never seem to hit the right balance then. Nowadays they do hv a pretty well balance car just a shame it's not the same engine it once was
Vettel 2018 Q2 lap 1.41.5 was almost equal to W11 with that being amazingly fast on the straights too and flat out through the high speed lef lt handers
Everyone saying that "what if you combined w11 with SF90..." Many people believe the RB16 had superior downforce, but a then weaker engine and inferior chassis. So SF90 engine + W11 chassis + RB16 aero.
This explains why my good straight line speed but insane cornering speed setup I use in f12020 is so dominant in races. I gain so much time in the corners it’s not even fair, especially on tracks like brazil, Bahrain, Spain, etc. what I make in the corners covers me for the straights so I don’t get overtaken on tracks that don’t have super Long straights
Vantaggio impressionante nelle curve lente da parte di Mercedes! Sulle curve veloci siamo più o meno lì mentre la Ferrari ha un motore nettamente più performante (d'altronde era un motorone).
Man the W11 is so insane with cornering speeds. Ahhhh I love how 2022 cars look but they drive like boats around slower speed corners, makes the F1 2022 cars look outdated in races compared to the last 2 years.
@@micahalan less stiff suspention makes car get lower in high speeds, causes higher drag, higher downforce. Therefore lower high end speeds. They will figure with floor design.
Lewis's 2020 Spa pole lap in the W11 is mesmerising. For me, only the pole lap from Mugello in the W11 surpasses it in terms of 'Wow! Look at that damn thing!' factor.
the 2020 cars were similar to the 2018 cars which were one of the fastest f1 car gen in 2019 they had reduced the amount of small wings on the front wing and aerodynamic details and reintroduced them in 2020, but the speed of that SF90 is just ridiculous
There is no discussion about Ferrari having the most powerful PU. First it was illegal and second the 2020 Mercedes PU was at least on par with that illegal system from Ferrari. In 2020 Mercedes was finally able to use more downforce and not reacting to the straight line speed Ferrari had in 2019.
I bet if the 2019 Engine cheat from Ferrari had Not been found so they had the Same Engine in 2020 they would have won, because they could Focus More on the chassis of the 2020 Ferrari. I know the W11 is quick af but i think it would have been an epic battle between the two Teams.
If only we could have had a combination of the Ferrari engine and Mercedes everything else. It would've gone sub 1:40 at Spa which is just ridiculous to even think about
It literally turns like a spaceship who cares about having an extra 20kph of speed? It's made up in the corners and then some! Both Incredible cars, but that W11 is from another world!
The Merc engine has good torque, which means almost same level of power throughout the lap and less lifting, which in turn shaves off laptime quite a bit. The Ferrari is made for acceleration, so lesser torque, which forces the driver to lift more through turns. Plus, that Ferrari ate it's tyres off like it was "The Last Supper" or something, while the Merc's the polar opposite. It kind off balances out, but the Merc clearly has better aero, and protects its tyres better.
Even that SF90 had to lift off at Pouhon while the W11 was just flat out...that's the difference between a great car and a legendary car Of course Hamilton is unmatched but that W11 was freaking scary
Wow the Merc fastest around corners ever and that Ferrari's acceleration... coming out of La source (Turn one) I timed 100kph to 300kph in 5.9 secs and that's WITHOUT DRS... just wow, add about 2.0sec for a perfect start 0-100kph that's 7.9 secs 0-300kph, quite unbelievable and monstrous even by F1 standards, bring this 2009 Ferrari to Carwow and do some drag races, it'd smash anything on there so far including the Rimac Nevero, with or without the DRS on, with it on we could see a sub 8sec 1/4 mile at over 180mph.
Mercedes in 2020 has the lap record in Monza also with a maximum speed of 362kmh it is on the official f1 channel that record was broken by Kimi rikonen in 2018.
we all know that 2019 ferrai engine was illegal due to to them cheating by allowing more fuel , to this days , MERC makes the the most powerful engines
@@nbain66 i beg to differ that , merc still has the most powerful v6 , its only that all that top speed had been reduced in the first half of the season due to high down force requirement, well anyways truth will be unveiled at monza or spa
@@PlatapusPhucker Mercedes asked FIA in February of 2020, a month before the first race, if they could use the DAS and if it was legal. FIA said it was. I wonder when Ferrari asked FIA about their sensor bypassing 🤔
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2019 Ferrari SF90 is known for having the most powerful V6t F1 engine and 2020 Mercedes W11 is known as the greatest F1 car ever in corners. There's no better track than Spa if we want to compare the two on one single circuit. S1 & S3 of Spa are just Monza with less corners, and S2 is practically Hungary, and we get to see SF90 killing it in S1 & 3 and W11 crushing it in S2.
In addition, as if that's not extreme enough, SF90 actually had a tow in Q3 that gave it an extra 3-5km/h (top speed 3-5km/h lower in Q2 no-tow laps), while W11's pole lap was done with softer tyres, no dirty air (Q3 Hamilton came out first) and in better weather. It was also said that Mercedes chose a higher downforce setup for W11 anticipating a wet Sunday. So in a way we're witnessing the enhanced performance of both SF90 on straights and W11 in corners.
Comparing them to 2016 Q3, SF90 actually scored 4-5km/h higher top speed (in DRS zone) while in S2 alone W11 beat 2016 by over 5s. This really tells how powerful that SF90 engine is, and how far F1 has come since the 2017 overhaul.
It's a shame we won't be seeing this kind of quali speeds for a very long time.
By 5 seconds 🤯
I think the mercedes engine might have been as powerful as the ferrari engine, but that the drag generated by the W11's high downforce setups was so strong that it significantly slowed the car down on the straights.
Nah man it isn't a shame, I'm glad this generation of cars will be gone. It destroyed racing
@@Chryst-zt3jp no, fastest cars ever with good racing this season
Ferraris engine was powerful cause the fuel mix system they cheated with. Later that year they suddenly lost their power edge
That W11 is most likely the fastest car in F1 history, and will continue to be in a very long time.
Peccat that the sf-90 is faster on the straighr
@@humanoidsteam8223 fastest on teh straight doesn't mean faster all around, look at that W11 beat ferrari by 1sec+ that's a lot with lower straight line speed
And we all know ferrari was cheating in 2019
@@humanoidsteam8223 top speed is irrelevant in F1
@@Who-bb5ff It wasn't
This Mercedes W11 is quite simply the greatest F1 car ever made. The way Lewis made up that 0.5 second gap in three corners after the kemmel straight is astounding.
More like on the first Les Combes turn, but I agree, astounding and the greatest F1 car ever.
Yes but both laps were pole laps
Don’t exaggerate. F2002 and F2004 were both extraordinary as well
@@Rosario00 Hamilton's hotlap is still 4.3 seconds faster than schumi's hotlap in 2004 showing the true power of the W11
With DAS. It is a cheat. So does SF-90 PU
It’s just crazy to be to see how much quicker the SF90 was in a straight line. But the W11 just killed it in the corners.
Yea cheating usually does that
@@karanbraria93 yeah, but this is stupidity. It’s illegal that Ferrari was that quick in the straights, but not that Mercedes was that quick in the corners? We all know why everyone went against Ferrari and not against Mercedes. Child
@@michelemussap34 There was no such rule against DAS. However, Ferrari's fuel supply system went against the rule. Had Mercedes used DAS in 2021, it would have been illegal. Mercedes did not cheat, they used a loophole.
@@aadixum the ferrari engine was a loophole too . Grey areas in regulations . Thats why they were not penalised
@@valonkurtaj7107 well yes but no cause in the end, Ferrari had to scrap their "loophole" and now look how far they are behind Merc and RB...Also the FIA were tigh lipped about what Ferrari did so that indefinitely hints cheating.
Imagine guys, this ferrari SF90 engine combined in W11 chassis and all of the aerodynamic parts. Just imagine how fast it will be 😌
imagine the sf1000 chassis with the sf90 engine
Im pretty sure the 2020 Mercedes engine was pretty much on the level of the cheated Ferrari engine. The merc just produces a lot more downforce and drag.
@@29pesos51 SF1000 chassis was garbage... Way too much drag and the car was unstable in medium and high speed corners. The W11 is the best chassis in F1 history in terms of downforce and it's engine is only capped by this year's Mercedes engine and the SF90.
Nope just let merc remove the fuel flow and ers deployment limit and it will break every track record that has existed .
@@petethecat5039 Exactly. They developed the SF1000 around the SF90 engine, but they had to build one from the ground up in a month time (they obviously couldn't use the 2019 engine). Due to the lack of power, they ended up with a way too draggy car (for the PU) so they then needed to remove aero to reduce drag thus making it more unstable in corners. A numerical demonstration would be:
10 chassis, 10 aero, 9 PU = 8 performance
9 chassis, 9 aero, 9 PU = 9 performance
So it's better the compromise than what they had. But that meant going from 10 (Top Team) to 9 (Medium to Upper midfield), still better than 8 (Medium to Low midfield) tho
1:06 satisfying synchronized upshifts to 8th gear 🙂.
And 1:26 too
1:02 still crazy to me how Leclerc needs to brake a bit + lift while Hamilton goes flat through the corner
And 10kph difference in apex speed!
Well, even though the W11 has a lot more downforce than the sf90, I believe that Leclerc had to lift because he was like 10km faster on the straight, than Hamilton, before entering the pouhon. Of course, this could have been due to the fact that the sf90 was running a bit lower front wing setup for better top speed.
@@alexxgr0066 no actually, the sf90 was probably running higher wings because of the lack of downfore but still had lots of straight line speed
@@slow11189 You could have a point but, personally, I don't think that the sf90 is so much faster than the w11. We know that it's engine has the most hp of all during the v6 period, but damn. Also, the fact of having slower tyres could affect the car's downforce performance.
@@alexxgr0066 I think the sf90 had like 50 or 70 more hp, and the tyres shouldnt affect high speed corners that much
this comparison is the stuff of dreams. Imagine FOM uploading something like this on their official yt channel, people would go nuts.
True
That ain't happening since 2018(I mean onboard pole laps with telemetry,that was part of the reason I've been downloading every single pole lap year after year for the sake of comparison)
@@F1Gameplay2 wow the 3 telemetry guys unite
@@idk-eb7mb :)
@@idk-eb7mb i know its nice to see i am subscriber of all 3
I like how quickly W11 claw back the deficit lost on Kemmel Straight under braking into Les Combes. Braking and turning point, like thunder.
Lewis began braking around the 50m mark. Nuts.
@@Bahamuttiamat Actually he braked well passed the 50m board.
Absolutely crazy. Even in a power track like spa, great cornering makes a huge diference
Yeah thanks to merc DAS back there
@@ShiroNekoArch21 Do you even know how DAS works?
@@ShiroNekoArch21 they don't use DAS in 300 kmph corners man
@@ganapathysooraj48😂😂
I understand the need for a rule change overhaul for the purpose for better racing, but I must say it's a shame that we won't see another car that's even remotely similar or possibly eclipse the W11 for quite some time, if ever.
The amount of ingenuity and innovation that went into building that supreme car is truly *breathtaking.*
@Alan ALI 12 I don't think one can definitively determine last season would've been even faster than it was had front wings remained unaltered for 2019. Anyway, we'll never find out for certain. We can, of course, also ponder how this season's lap times thus far would've been w/o floor alterations.
@Alan ALI 12 Right at the first (Australian) GP of the 2019 season, Lewis beat his 2018 pole lap by 7 tenths, yes, they took the complex front wings away, but compensated the resulting aero efficiency loss with way more front and rear wing surface area, 2019 cars were draggier but also "downforcier" than their predecessors FROM THE GET-GO, race pace was also generally better than in any previous v6 turbo hybrid season before.
Maybe in the future ground effect cars will become ever faster
@Alan ALI 12 Yeah, now list all the venues where 2019 cars were faster, I believe you'll find that the later season was confidently the faster one on average... There are many variables to consider, track conditions for one will not be consistent year to year, the Pirellis - like for most seasons - were brand new for 2019 with different operating temperature windows, AND, admittedly, the 2018 cars' performance scaled much better on drag-sensitive circuits like Spa for the above mentioned reasons, which partly explains that deficit (qualifying was much hotter there in 2019, it must also be mentioned)...
@Alan ALI 12 2018 was the second year of the wider cars with more aero development freedom, the cars were quiet complex already, we have no way of telling how much more the teams could've improved their machinery from there... While from 2019 to 2020 we saw an enormous speed increase on the same tyres (with often higher, nonideal pressure levels).
Hamilton just drove flat-out his W11 through the Pouhon corner. What a beast.
That Ferrari had some insane speed on the straights but means nothing if you have to brake more and be later back on the power. That W11 was so nice to watch through the corners and how much later Lewis could brake before it and then get right back on the power 🙌🏻 legendary car
The W11 can go 20+kph faster in the medium speed corners, and almost as much in the high speed. Some of that must have been a difference in track evolution and different tire compounds.
But still, the w11 has got sooo much downforce. It looks like it's on rails.
I will never get over how fast Lewis goes around Pouhon. Absolute madness. No lift just full send. W11 was absurd.
"Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines"- Enzo Ferrari
vs
"Adding power makes you faster in the straights. Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere" - Colin Chapman.
Just different way of making cars go faster. Mercedes make the best engine since 2014, that is the fundamentally of their success. Right now you can't do much about weight because it's heavily ruled, engineers just have more freedom back in the days
That was also an incredible lap from Lewis. Haven't seen him put in a magic lap like that since then.
@Lukas Svensson France quali 2021. Clean.
@@Bahamuttiamat Was an ok lap. But not close to this standard. Verstappen out-qualified him by like 3 tenths in a very similar car.
@@luciniho1 Friend, not being on pole doesn't discount the quality of the lap. The redbull was fastest all weekend. Lewis getting close as he did was an amazing job. The cars weren't at all close.
@@Bahamuttiamat The Mercedes was probably faster in France. And Bottas was like a tenth off Hamilton.
Lewis can still pull out amazing laps though, but they are coming less and less frequent.
Max, George and Leclerc do it like every weekend.
@@luciniho1 Bottas avg to lewis has been a 1.6ish tenths since 2017. What exactly are you insinuating.
Max has had the car for pole is pretty much every race but has dropped it numerous times. Baku, imola, portugal, monaco to name a few.
Considering his pole strike rate lags far behind his win rate speaks volumes to this.
Charles' lap was really on the limit. It was kinda epic, considering the 7 tenths gap between himself and the others that year
W11 is obviously much better in term of downforce but 2020 tyres were softer compared to 2019 at Spa.
The amount of downforce that the W11 can produce is staggering + softer tyres in 2020.
That's why it has less top speed but damn paid off on the corners
Vettel's Q2 lap from 2018 was less than three tenths slower than what Lewis did in 2020. (yes, Q2, since Q3 was wet), just saying, another cool comparison
The 2018 Ferrari is actually faster than the 2019 SF90... The SF90 only had the straightline speed going for it. The SF71-H was actually a very balanced car.
@@grimm6jack true, hence why a better comparison would be between those cars (SF71-H and W11)
It is the nightmares of the W11 which made the RB18
Lewis was trying to get leclercs toe in 2019 and leclerc was 7 tenths faster in the 1st sector lol Great Times
Becouse ferrari cheated whit the engine
@@xAdrian_44 I know I miss those times
@@xAdrian_44 no, loophole
@@xAdrian_44 Any proof?
@@theTutenstien The moment the FiA looked into the legality of the engine and came to an "undisclosed settlement" with Ferrari, suddenly their engine performance fell off a cliff. The FiA wouldn't want to accuse the largest brand in F1 of cheating, hence the "undisclosed settlement". But it was clear to everyone that they were cheating. I believe Max Verstappen even outright called them cheaters in that season.
Ah, the Ferrari overpowered engine, good times ❤️
You do know that the Ferrari was illegal. Ferrari had to cheat and still lost… says a lot their about integrity.
@@thef1master670 really? Any links
@@yasharxo885 yes. Auto sport and the race wrote articles on it aswell as in-depth videos. The FIA was sneaky with the situation aswell with the obvious connections with Ferrari. Let’s just say a lot of underhand shit was going on. But everybody knows that Ferrari cheated and they’re still a bunch of clowns.
@@thef1master670 Oh for F's sake. It wasn't illegal. The FiA deemed illegal after the whole circuit protested about it. It was a very simple loophole in the technical regulation
@@thef1master670 The same way Mercedes did with the DAS
What really demonstrates the difference is how much extra speed Hamilton carried into the corner after the Kemmel straight. Leclerc's speed dipped into the 170s while Hamilton kept his car well above 180 and every succeeding corner amplified that advantage.
345 without slipstream is just AMAZING
There was a slipstream in 2019, worth about 3-4km/h as mentioned in the pinned comment.
@@yelistener oh k
That W11 is simply magnificent. While it's sad that we won't see anything quite like it again for some time, it has certainly been immortalized as arguably the greatest F1 car of all time
It's such a beautiful thing to see when u pair such a talented driver like Lewis with a car like that. Poetry .
The ferrari basicly lost all the time it gained on the straight within 1 or 2 corners. The w11 had insane amounts of downforce while still having incredible effiency.
This Ferrari in a straight line... amazing
Merc is about 14/15 kph slower on the straights and still managed to beat the Ferrari at a power unit heavy track. You can see how much more stable the Merc is as Leclerc seems to be fighting with the car more through the corners. He makes more jabby micro corrections to the wheel than Lewis does.
that could also be due to experience difference
This car was just in a league of it’s own. This stint and the Q3 stint he did at the Immola circuit was bananas .. The crazy part about that stint in Immola was that he was only shy of a tenth faster to gain the pole from Valtteri Bottas
The amount of drag makes Mercedes a bit slower but paid off in the corner
Fun fact: The SF90 took 6 poles in the first 6 races after the summer break in 2019.
W11 taking Pouhon flat out is still one of the craziest things I've seen.
Why you didnt Take the 2018 Q2 Lap from Seb? It was a 1:41:501
Wow leclerc had already lost all the gained time from the straight by the off camber right hander
Flat-out full throttle pouhon you absolutely love it!
Charles carries so much more speed through rad..however you spell it, and then through the straight. Then the merc demolishes the SF for the rest of the track. Really interesting to see. Thanks for the upload!
Its mind-boggling how quickly the W11 makes up for the lost time in the Kemmel straight
The sf90 with the aero of the mercedes. King of F1 cars
noo
slower than 2021 haas
The power of ferrari 2019 wow
Cheateria Ferrari
they were cheating with the fuel, the engine was illegal that is why it was so fast compared to others :D
I always thought power of the SF-90 engine was too much for Ferrari's own good. Not only their top speed was high, but also their acceleration was crazy and they always needed to brake heavily, every little section. They needed a better adjusted gearbox
Love how sf90 falls behind w11 in corner but again catches up in straight. Absolute monster in top end🔥
1:21 - Isn't Hamilton offtrack? Was that allowed in 2020? I'm just curious.
The track had so much more grip in 2020. The W11 was certainly a better chassis, but the SF90 with the questionable engine easily could have been close to the same speed as the SF71H which did a 1:41.5 in Q2.
To be fair, Hamilton was 4 wheels off on a few corners where Leclerc was well within track limits at a much lower speed. But the clear tell that the W11 is just better in the corners was the start of S2 where Hamilton absolutely blitzed the first 3 corners.
To be fair, Ferrari were a bunch of cheating p*****s 😂
At 0:27 they're practically level exiting raidillon. At 0:38, not so much. Jeez!!
The only problem in this video is that it doesn't consider track condition, in 2018 vettel did a 1.41 as did hamilton. In 2019 all drivers were above 1.42. This is the problem with spa, such a long track creates more variables
1.2s improvement in a single year, that late into a rules cycle is crazy
Wow this showcase the best of both cars. That's why the Ferrari was so good in low drag races. The Merc is another beast in corners too. It's funny how Ferrari were fast in slow speed corners with their traction these days compare to their low drag days. Also Ferrari just never seem to hit the right balance then. Nowadays they do hv a pretty well balance car just a shame it's not the same engine it once was
these is nice, The Acceleration on Ferrari us so good, and for Merc, the Execution and Getaways in corner are amazing
Vettel 2018 Q2 lap 1.41.5 was almost equal to W11 with that being amazingly fast on the straights too and flat out through the high speed lef lt handers
I think Hamilton Raikkonen and Vettel all set 1:41:5s that year in Q2, super close!
Everyone saying that "what if you combined w11 with SF90..." Many people believe the RB16 had superior downforce, but a then weaker engine and inferior chassis. So SF90 engine + W11 chassis + RB16 aero.
A shame we never get to see that SF90 engine in the draggy, high downforce SF1000…….would’ve been an interesting matchup against the W11
SF1000 had to be stripped down otherwise it was too draggy
If the Mercedes W11 had party mode, it will be a totally different story
W11 was slower than SF90 in S1 and S3 yet all thanks to the corners in S2 the W11 had the track record. Blimey!
This explains why my good straight line speed but insane cornering speed setup I use in f12020 is so dominant in races. I gain so much time in the corners it’s not even fair, especially on tracks like brazil, Bahrain, Spain, etc. what I make in the corners covers me for the straights so I don’t get overtaken on tracks that don’t have super Long straights
Vantaggio impressionante nelle curve lente da parte di Mercedes! Sulle curve veloci siamo più o meno lì mentre la Ferrari ha un motore nettamente più performante (d'altronde era un motorone).
per gli anti ferrari è considerato illegale😂😂😂😂 super motore ferrari❤ possono solo ammirare i motori italiani
Holy shit... So much speed on the straights with the SF90 and that W11 is a beast on any corners. Pffff 🚀🚀🚀🚀
That 346 on kemmel straight 🫨🫨🫨
Imagine w11 with that speed and old V10 F1 sound
That sound is insane
Man the W11 is so insane with cornering speeds. Ahhhh I love how 2022 cars look but they drive like boats around slower speed corners, makes the F1 2022 cars look outdated in races compared to the last 2 years.
They will get there in no time I believe
@@lUnderdogl Yeah hopefully! I feel like less stiff suspension would help
@@micahalan less stiff suspention makes car get lower in high speeds, causes higher drag, higher downforce. Therefore lower high end speeds. They will figure with floor design.
@@lUnderdogl Hmm maybe active suspension then so the cars can roll through the corners. I also think the weight is a big problem too
1:05 dude perfect
Lewis's 2020 Spa pole lap in the W11 is mesmerising. For me, only the pole lap from Mugello in the W11 surpasses it in terms of 'Wow! Look at that damn thing!' factor.
imagine the straight line speed of the SF 90 combined with the cornering of the W11💀
the 2020 cars were similar to the 2018 cars which were one of the fastest f1 car gen in 2019 they had reduced the amount of small wings on the front wing and aerodynamic details and reintroduced them in 2020, but the speed of that SF90 is just ridiculous
That W11 flat out in pouhon is magical
W11 + LH, unbeatable
bro that straight line speed on the sf90 is crazy
Sf90 engine + w11 chassis + softest compound close to hypersoft that won't give up in the middle of the lap = sub 1:40 possible?
From where is the graphical HUD on Leclerc's car?
you can tell the difference in stability in the cars by just observing the movements of their helmets that W11 was a freaking spaceship !!!
0:57 - 0:58
INVALIDATED LAP TIME - EXCEEDED TRACK LIMITS
It isn't tho
Amazing it took so long for the FIA to crack down on that Ferrari PU.
Imagine this engine in the SF71(which was only 2 tenths down on the W11).
There is no discussion about Ferrari having the most powerful PU.
First it was illegal and second the 2020 Mercedes PU was at least on par with that illegal system from Ferrari.
In 2020 Mercedes was finally able to use more downforce and not reacting to the straight line speed Ferrari had in 2019.
I bet if the 2019 Engine cheat from Ferrari had Not been found so they had the Same Engine in 2020 they would have won, because they could Focus More on the chassis of the 2020 Ferrari. I know the W11 is quick af but i think it would have been an epic battle between the two Teams.
If only we could have had a combination of the Ferrari engine and Mercedes everything else. It would've gone sub 1:40 at Spa which is just ridiculous to even think about
It literally turns like a spaceship who cares about having an extra 20kph of speed? It's made up in the corners and then some! Both Incredible cars, but that W11 is from another world!
Crazy Sf90🔥🔥🔥
Imagine the G forces endure by the driver....
W11 was really a beast !
The Merc engine has good torque, which means almost same level of power throughout the lap and less lifting, which in turn shaves off laptime quite a bit. The Ferrari is made for acceleration, so lesser torque, which forces the driver to lift more through turns. Plus, that Ferrari ate it's tyres off like it was "The Last Supper" or something, while the Merc's the polar opposite. It kind off balances out, but the Merc clearly has better aero, and protects its tyres better.
Absolutely insane that he was flat out through Pouhon
Even that SF90 had to lift off at Pouhon while the W11 was just flat out...that's the difference between a great car and a legendary car
Of course Hamilton is unmatched but that W11 was freaking scary
To put things into perspective even Riccardo's 2020 Renault was 0,5 faster than Leclerc in 2019.
Wow the Merc fastest around corners ever and that Ferrari's acceleration... coming out of La source (Turn one) I timed 100kph to 300kph in 5.9 secs and that's WITHOUT DRS... just wow, add about 2.0sec for a perfect start 0-100kph that's 7.9 secs 0-300kph, quite unbelievable and monstrous even by F1 standards, bring this 2009 Ferrari to Carwow and do some drag races, it'd smash anything on there so far including the Rimac Nevero, with or without the DRS on, with it on we could see a sub 8sec 1/4 mile at over 180mph.
Sebastian's Q2 lap from 2018 was only 0.25 off 2020 pole time. Might have been the track record if it hadn't rained....
Now imagine that "illegally-legal" SF90 engine inside of a W11. Pretty crazy it would be...
Legal in that Ferrari couldn't use it anymore? It was illegal, period.
@@Someone25948 Loophole in the regulations. Not illegal.
@@ReVDeatH The rules said fuel flow couldn't be above x. Ferrari's fuel flow was higher than x. How is that not illegal?
@@Someone25948 According to the fuel usage sensor it was legal. Simple as that. People are having a hard time understanding what is illegal and legal.
@@ReVDeatH The regulations decide what is legal and what isn't, not the sensors. You are a typical Ferrari fan. Cope
The speed of the merc in the corners is ridiculous
Imagine the W11 with the SF90 engine, it’s going to be unstoppable
The SF90 is unbelievably fast on the straights but once there's a sequence of a couple of corners, that Mercedes just fucks off
Mercedes in 2020 has the lap record in Monza also with a maximum speed of 362kmh it is on the official f1 channel that record was broken by Kimi rikonen in 2018.
F2004
Pretty sure the highest speed the w11 reached in Monza quali was 345kph
we all know that 2019 ferrai engine was illegal due to to them cheating by allowing more fuel , to this days , MERC makes the the most powerful engines
It's neck and neck with Honda now at least
@@nbain66 i beg to differ that , merc still has the most powerful v6 , its only that all that top speed had been reduced in the first half of the season due to high down force requirement, well anyways truth will be unveiled at monza or spa
so, we also know that DAS in w11 was not legal.
@@PlatapusPhucker Mercedes asked FIA in February of 2020, a month before the first race, if they could use the DAS and if it was legal. FIA said it was.
I wonder when Ferrari asked FIA about their sensor bypassing 🤔
Ah yes the power of straight line
Imagine putting the 2019 Ferrari engine in the 2020 Merzedes chassis. It would be awesome.
If we combine the best 3 sectors the time would have been a 1,40.666😀
Hamilton on last turn would've got me invalidated on any f1 game
W11 has to be the best f1 car ever built, its like driving the maxed out car in f1 2021
I just realized that mercedes and ferrari engines sounds quite similar. Ferrari is just a bit higher pitched with a stronger whistle