Lee Sedol 9p has a really good point, and maybe it's obvious, but I had not fully realized it before now: Players used to develop their own moves and styles. Now everyone just copies from AI. It feels like something has been lost.
That's true to some extent, but if you really study AI, you shouldn't just copy, you should learn how it punishes the old moves. And then you'll realize how the AI moves are indeed superior, and you have no other choice but to let go of the old styles and embrace AI.
Same happened in chess after AI took over. Now the best players are just rote memorizing the whole opening sequence for both sides. It lost something indeed.
Woow! Thank you so much for this content. Really exciting to see Lee Sedol himself. Would be super cool if you manage to bring other legends for an interview! ❤
Thank you so much Yeonwoo for this amazing content for all us Baduk enthusiasts. Lee Sedol! The man, the myth, the legend. I am humbly grateful for this interview. Kamsahamnida!
Where is my "Go Pro Yeonwoo! *click*" opening bit? I feel attacked! But, I liked this video a lot, it was so fun and lighthearted. Thank you very much.
Very interesting, thank you for sharing with written translation. It must be hard to find something new when you were at the top of the world at a young age. That’s sport’s fate. Some finance and co-manage a restaurant, that may be quite rewarding, and it keeps you busy.
Lee Sedol, you are so cute in this talk show. So charming 😊 You have great chemistry when work together. Yeonwoon you have a lot of Fans in Thailand, It shoud be a great time, if you both be invite to visit here once.❤❤❤❤❤
Probably you had to refrain your self very hard from asking him for a friendly game. A pity that he does not play any more, he probably has very strong feelings or he does not want to spoil his reputation. Hopefully he will come back.
@@ThreenGumb True, but he obviously had immense love and passion for the game. Given how much professionals have to study, especially in their childhoods, once they retire, their life probably feels a bit empty. I'm sure they quickly fill it with other things though, and I'm sure Lee Sedol found things to do
I have no idea that Lee Sedol was into boardgame design, I'm looking forward to play his designs someday , tho korean board games are hard to get in my country. I don't know if Lee Sedol would ever read this comment, but something "not go related" he can do on youtube (and i totally would watch) is playthrough other modern boardgames, waching him play 'agricola', 'ticket to ride', 'cascasonne', etc would be fun. Also if he is into board game design i think he could share he's thoughts about about his own design process or other people's games, there is a board game designer called Jamey Stegmaier who does that.
great video! thanks so much, really thrilled to see this. any chance of adding links to where we can buy those boardgames? are they translated for us english-only types? (if not, how can we make that happen?)
Lee Sedol was my favorite player. It was great to hear from again him through your video, but let's just leave him alone. He gave so much but now his work is done. One thing I want to mention is that he seems like the right person to ask about players from the past.
Soft spoken, very strong will, blunt yet not rude. I'm guilty of copying AI opening preparation - being able to use most of my time in the middle game is comfortable. While I believe the pros outweigh the cons, I can understand Lee Sedol's disappointment; there was a numinous property to the game prior to the advent of AI.
I love the admirable personalities of baduk players. Such is shown in that previous video with Shin Jin-Seo graciously returning a stone to where Park Mingyu originally placed it after Park Mingyu clearly made a mistake by letting the stone slide to somewhere else, or with Lee Sedol giving a measured and considerate response that reserves judgment on the suspected cheating through use of A.I. from Li Xuanhao. It's nice to hear Lee Sedol wants to give a proper farewell to China, Korea, and Japan~
Legend!! If he ever will make playthrough's and reviews of boardgames (his own or others), i will immediately subscribe! ☺(from a fellow boardgame youtuber from Holland)
An aging Peter Pan. AI has driven him out of his paradise. It seems he really does have great problems doing something now that is still meaningful to him.
the only human who won one game agaist AI... I watched the documentary again few days ago. I saw him once at tournament when I visited Korea. Still keeping photos from that event.
when iheard this that he " didnt play go anymore" i dont know what to think of it, did he really stopped playing completely, sounds to me that he lost all his Passion or something like that since he played AlphaGo :(
Go world is forever debted to ai as we can move from this moves dont feel your own and not special even If you follow correct paths More than opps whatever they look like. Now we have easy tool to see what plans are correct and where ppl make inaccuracies "I dont believe in psychology I believe in strong moves"
The interview is very interesting and thanks a lot for english subtitles but why there are so many strange sounds every few seconds like you were in the circus?
Lee’s response to you doing RUclips through me off a little…felt like he was a little dismissive and even a bit condescending. Maybe something was lost in translation.
I am Korean and I can say it certainly didn’t feel that way to me. I think Lee sedol was genuinely curious about Yeonwoo’s motivation for RUclips because he genuinely was struggling to find a deep personal drive to pursue content creation, and shared that that was the case in a frank way, explaining to Yeonwoo that he was interested in RUclips but has been on the fence because he’s not sure he has a deep personal goal to pursue in that area.
아직까지도 AI를 인정하지 않네 ㅋ 인간미가 없는 기계로 합리화 하며 부정하고 심각하네 세돌이 본인이 기계의 힘을 얻고 편하게 살아가면서....... 내가 AI 출몰 하기전 세돌이 2016년 인공지능과 대국 훨씬 전 인터뷰에서 기계는 인간을 넘어 설 수 없다 라고 했었지 그 이유가 패에 대한 인식을 기계는 넘어설 수 없다 라고 그 건 사람만이 할 수 있는 영역이라고 그래서 인공지능 바둑은 절대 사람을 이길 수 없다 라고 했을 때 난 그 때 그 인터뷰 보고 세돌이 개 무식한 소리하고 있네 라고 했었지 사람의 지능을 뛰어넘는 컴퓨터가 그 당시에도 있었 거늘 어째서 그 걸 간과하고 뚱딴지 같은 소릴 하니 어이없었음. 세상을 몰라도 너무 몰랐던 세돌이 바둑을 대단한 영역으로 착각하는 세돌이 난 1999년도에 컴퓨터 인터넷 바둑을 뒀었음(M게임 온라인 인터넷 바둑) 머지 않아 인공지능이 인간을 넘어 설거란 생각을 그 때 부터 진작에 했었음(참고로 내가 컴퓨터 83년에 첨 첩했었음 학과도) 바둑만 두다보니 우물안 개구리고 넓은 세계관을 모르는 세돌이 아직까지 저런 무딘 세계관에서 못 벗어나다니 꼴통은 확실함. 그리고 오래전 프로기사 조혜연기사와 우연잖게 인공지능에 대해 갑논을박 했었음 인공지능 후 조혜연사범은 3점으로 神과 대결해도 절대 안진다고 했었음. 그 말에 내가 발끈했었음. 3점으로도 질 수 있다고 아니 4점으로도............ 이유인즉, 개발자들이 더 이상 업그레이드 할 필요없다고 생각해서 그런 것 뿐 이라고....... 거기에 조혜연프로가 또 나름 나에게 반박했었지만 난 더 이상 그녀와 대화를 하지 않았음. 더 이상의 대화는 불필요 했으니깐 그녀도 그 때 이세돌과의 가치관이 다를게 없었으니 더 이상의 대화는 불필요한 것. 세월이 좀 지났어도 조혜연프로 나와의 갑논을박 기억할 거임.(그 당시에도 프로기사 인공지능과 2점을 못 당해 3점으로도 둔걸로 알고있음) 바둑 프로기사들이 3점 4점으로 절대 패하지 않느니 자꾸 헛소리 하며 개발자들에게 공개적으로 도전한다면 개발자들도 발끈해서 또는 여러 이유로 두 팔 걷어 붙혀 마음만 먹으면 프로기사들 3점 4점 아니 그 이상 벌어질 수 있게 할 수 있다는 것. 단지 이정도로 만족 한 것 뿐, 더 이상 바둑으로 인간과 대결 하는 건 무의미 하다고 생각하고 또 더 이상 인간을 비참하게 안 만들려고 그 이상의 시도를 안하는 것 뿐. 자존심이야 와르륵 무너진 상태지만 인정할 건 해야함. 현재도 신진서 급이 아니면 웬만한 프로기사들 2점은 물론 3점도 인공지능에게 패할 수 있잖음? 개발자들이 더 업그레이드 시키면 3점은 물론 4점도 벌어질 수 있고, 그 이상도 된다는 것. 인공지능 업그레이드는 무한대임. 정체될 수 없는 것이 인공지능임. 개발자들이 왜 바둑 인공지능을 만들었겠음? 프로기사들이 인공지능에 대한 무지로 수시로 도발하는 발언을 하니 천재들이 바둑 인공지능을 만들어내서 뽄때를 보여준거임. PS: 거짓말 좀 더 보태서 제주도 급 하나 걸고 4점으로 한국 11위권 기사들과 붙혀 내기(도박)하자고 하면 영국의 컴퓨터 천재들 대가리 싸메고 연구하면 4점으로도 못 당할 거임. 아직까지도 컴퓨터를 우습게 보는.............
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Lee Sedol 9p has a really good point, and maybe it's obvious, but I had not fully realized it before now: Players used to develop their own moves and styles. Now everyone just copies from AI. It feels like something has been lost.
That's true to some extent, but if you really study AI, you shouldn't just copy, you should learn how it punishes the old moves. And then you'll realize how the AI moves are indeed superior, and you have no other choice but to let go of the old styles and embrace AI.
Same happened in chess after AI took over. Now the best players are just rote memorizing the whole opening sequence for both sides. It lost something indeed.
I'm a simple man. I see Lee Sedol, I click like.
WOW, I was watching your older video about him yesterday where you explained his life story!! So cool!
Woow! Thank you so much for this content. Really exciting to see Lee Sedol himself.
Would be super cool if you manage to bring other legends for an interview! ❤
Really sad that Lee retired from Go, please ask if he's interested in playing chess against Magnus Carlsen!
Thank you for the subtitles, very kind of you to make the effort for the rest of us.
Thank you so much for this video Yeonwoo ! It's awesome to have such a casual video with the all too shy & secretive Lee-Sedol ❤️
This was a very fun interview!
Thank you so much Yeonwoo for this amazing content for all us Baduk enthusiasts. Lee Sedol! The man, the myth, the legend.
I am humbly grateful for this interview. Kamsahamnida!
thank for your videos, long time no see Mr Lee Sedol
Increíble, excelente entrevista, muchas gracias por compartirla
Lee Sedol is such a legend! Great to hear this interview
Where is my "Go Pro Yeonwoo! *click*" opening bit? I feel attacked!
But, I liked this video a lot, it was so fun and lighthearted. Thank you very much.
Very interesting, thank you for sharing with written translation. It must be hard to find something new when you were at the top of the world at a young age. That’s sport’s fate. Some finance and co-manage a restaurant, that may be quite rewarding, and it keeps you busy.
Thank you for making the subtitle for us foreigners!
thank you for subtitles!
Lee Sedol, you are so cute in this talk show. So charming 😊 You have great chemistry when work together. Yeonwoon you have a lot of Fans in Thailand, It shoud be a great time, if you both be invite to visit here once.❤❤❤❤❤
thank you so much ! Lee Sedol is my idol
Probably you had to refrain your self very hard from asking him for a friendly game. A pity that he does not play any more, he probably has very strong feelings or he does not want to spoil his reputation. Hopefully he will come back.
Thank you so much for the Translation and the subtitles!
It's crazy to hear that someone who was the best in the world at baduk just didn't play it at all after retiring
For a lot of professional athletes, it truly is just a job to them.
@@ThreenGumb True, but he obviously had immense love and passion for the game. Given how much professionals have to study, especially in their childhoods, once they retire, their life probably feels a bit empty. I'm sure they quickly fill it with other things though, and I'm sure Lee Sedol found things to do
AlphaGo broke his spirit. I feel very sad for him.
having Lee-Sedol on a 16k subcribers channel.. it's talk a lot about the man
Thank you so much for this!
I have no idea that Lee Sedol was into boardgame design, I'm looking forward to play his designs someday , tho korean board games are hard to get in my country.
I don't know if Lee Sedol would ever read this comment, but something "not go related" he can do on youtube (and i totally would watch) is playthrough other modern boardgames, waching him play 'agricola', 'ticket to ride', 'cascasonne', etc would be fun. Also if he is into board game design i think he could share he's thoughts about about his own design process or other people's games, there is a board game designer called Jamey Stegmaier who does that.
i'll second this! i'd love to hear his thoughts on games; his own or anyone else's. maybe a board-game review channel would suit him?
Awesome :) I was not expecting this video but it was very fun to watch
Very nice ! Thanks :)
Thank you for English subtitles! KR OL
You know, I think you could do any sort of entertainment show. Would be awful for go players to 'lose' you, but the rest of the world would rejoice.
great video! thanks so much, really thrilled to see this.
any chance of adding links to where we can buy those boardgames? are they translated for us english-only types? (if not, how can we make that happen?)
Это было очень интересное интервью. Спасибо Ён У!
Wowow this is such a treat to see. Thank you Lee-Sedol for the interview !
OMG U are amazing. I love you ñ. Thx for this
Wow! What an honor :3
Lee Sedol was my favorite player. It was great to hear from again him through your video, but let's just leave him alone. He gave so much but now his work is done. One thing I want to mention is that he seems like the right person to ask about players from the past.
Soft spoken, very strong will, blunt yet not rude. I'm guilty of copying AI opening preparation - being able to use most of my time in the middle game is comfortable. While I believe the pros outweigh the cons, I can understand Lee Sedol's disappointment; there was a numinous property to the game prior to the advent of AI.
I love the admirable personalities of baduk players. Such is shown in that previous video with Shin Jin-Seo graciously returning a stone to where Park Mingyu originally placed it after Park Mingyu clearly made a mistake by letting the stone slide to somewhere else, or with Lee Sedol giving a measured and considerate response that reserves judgment on the suspected cheating through use of A.I. from Li Xuanhao. It's nice to hear Lee Sedol wants to give a proper farewell to China, Korea, and Japan~
Thank you for english subtitles
i watched this on your korean channel already but i appreciate the subs because my korean is bad ^o^
The way he avoided eye contact made me uncomfortable. But I'm the same way.
Yeonwoo I love you and your content! You're so smart and amazing! Keep going please❤️
great video!
Now I want the wrong 이세돌 t-shirt for the obscure reference.
Plot Twist: Lee Sedol is the kid Hikaru beat in a go club.
Legend!! If he ever will make playthrough's and reviews of boardgames (his own or others), i will immediately subscribe! ☺(from a fellow boardgame youtuber from Holland)
You have a very good content.
This is great! Should be more "likes".
Haha he’s modestly savage I love it, I hope he makes a channel that would only manifest “the super kid” faster!😊
An aging Peter Pan. AI has driven him out of his paradise. It seems he really does have great problems doing something now that is still meaningful to him.
7:40 that's such a smart way to look at it, I've never played Baduk and dont know how but anyone who plays any game can learn a lot from Lee Sedol
Dear god my man looks OLD. Like AlphaGo took his soul or something.
the only human who won one game agaist AI... I watched the documentary again few days ago. I saw him once at tournament when I visited Korea. Still keeping photos from that event.
More more leeeee!!
Wowwwwww you got the goat in an interview
You’d think my Korean would have got better by now.
Lee-Sedol? Amazing!
How can I buy his board game in the US?
I think you can buy in Korea website and deliver but I'm afraid there is no English version yet
yeonwoo makes me wanna learn to play baduk
Wow ! Lee Sedol
big love from Vietnam
when iheard this that he " didnt play go anymore" i dont know what to think of it, did he really stopped playing completely, sounds to me that he lost all his Passion or something like that since he played AlphaGo :(
I support Lee Sedol. He should be playing as a pro once again.
he didn't drink any of his drink :\
Go world is forever debted to ai as we can move from this moves dont feel your own and not special even If you follow correct paths More than opps whatever they look like. Now we have easy tool to see what plans are correct and where ppl make inaccuracies
"I dont believe in psychology I believe in strong moves"
You should’ve offered to coach him on RUclips in exchange for coaching on your Go game 😂
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@Yeonwoo tell us your MBTI!!!
INTP! 😁
please, such a special moment and then all these childish audio nonsense. Anyway, thank you!!
The interview is very interesting and thanks a lot for english subtitles but why there are so many strange sounds every few seconds like you were in the circus?
That's very popular in Korean editing.
@@zaksmith1035 Maybe it's a culture thing. I find it very annoying as my English is not a mother tounge and it makes harder to focus on the content.
not understanding gender
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BRO
Lee Sedol is an INTP, like nearly all top Go players, gamers, chess players, etc.
I'm going to guess that Lee Sedol is an INFP. We'll see. Yeonwoo, are you INFJ? You two seem to get along VERY well.
Im INFP 😀
I also think Lee Sedol is INFP. I thought Yeonwoo would've been ENFP haha.
Lee’s response to you doing RUclips through me off a little…felt like he was a little dismissive and even a bit condescending. Maybe something was lost in translation.
I am Korean and I can say it certainly didn’t feel that way to me. I think Lee sedol was genuinely curious about Yeonwoo’s motivation for RUclips because he genuinely was struggling to find a deep personal drive to pursue content creation, and shared that that was the case in a frank way, explaining to Yeonwoo that he was interested in RUclips but has been on the fence because he’s not sure he has a deep personal goal to pursue in that area.
@@michaelkim984 that makes more sense! Thank you for your response!
아직까지도 AI를 인정하지 않네 ㅋ
인간미가 없는 기계로 합리화 하며 부정하고 심각하네 세돌이
본인이 기계의 힘을 얻고 편하게 살아가면서.......
내가 AI 출몰 하기전 세돌이 2016년 인공지능과 대국 훨씬 전 인터뷰에서 기계는 인간을 넘어 설 수 없다 라고 했었지
그 이유가 패에 대한 인식을 기계는 넘어설 수 없다 라고 그 건 사람만이 할 수 있는 영역이라고
그래서 인공지능 바둑은 절대 사람을 이길 수 없다 라고 했을 때 난 그 때 그 인터뷰 보고
세돌이 개 무식한 소리하고 있네 라고 했었지 사람의 지능을 뛰어넘는 컴퓨터가 그 당시에도 있었 거늘
어째서 그 걸 간과하고 뚱딴지 같은 소릴 하니 어이없었음. 세상을 몰라도 너무 몰랐던 세돌이 바둑을 대단한 영역으로 착각하는 세돌이
난 1999년도에 컴퓨터 인터넷 바둑을 뒀었음(M게임 온라인 인터넷 바둑)
머지 않아 인공지능이 인간을 넘어 설거란 생각을 그 때 부터 진작에 했었음(참고로 내가 컴퓨터 83년에 첨 첩했었음 학과도)
바둑만 두다보니 우물안 개구리고 넓은 세계관을 모르는 세돌이 아직까지 저런 무딘 세계관에서 못 벗어나다니 꼴통은 확실함.
그리고 오래전 프로기사 조혜연기사와 우연잖게 인공지능에 대해 갑논을박 했었음
인공지능 후 조혜연사범은 3점으로 神과 대결해도 절대 안진다고 했었음.
그 말에 내가 발끈했었음. 3점으로도 질 수 있다고 아니 4점으로도............
이유인즉, 개발자들이 더 이상 업그레이드 할 필요없다고 생각해서 그런 것 뿐 이라고.......
거기에 조혜연프로가 또 나름 나에게 반박했었지만 난 더 이상 그녀와 대화를 하지 않았음. 더 이상의 대화는 불필요 했으니깐
그녀도 그 때 이세돌과의 가치관이 다를게 없었으니 더 이상의 대화는 불필요한 것.
세월이 좀 지났어도 조혜연프로 나와의 갑논을박 기억할 거임.(그 당시에도 프로기사 인공지능과 2점을 못 당해 3점으로도 둔걸로 알고있음)
바둑 프로기사들이 3점 4점으로 절대 패하지 않느니 자꾸 헛소리 하며 개발자들에게 공개적으로 도전한다면
개발자들도 발끈해서 또는 여러 이유로 두 팔 걷어 붙혀 마음만 먹으면 프로기사들 3점 4점 아니 그 이상 벌어질 수 있게 할 수 있다는 것.
단지 이정도로 만족 한 것 뿐, 더 이상 바둑으로 인간과 대결 하는 건 무의미 하다고 생각하고 또 더 이상 인간을 비참하게 안 만들려고 그 이상의 시도를 안하는 것 뿐.
자존심이야 와르륵 무너진 상태지만 인정할 건 해야함. 현재도 신진서 급이 아니면 웬만한 프로기사들 2점은 물론 3점도 인공지능에게 패할 수 있잖음?
개발자들이 더 업그레이드 시키면 3점은 물론 4점도 벌어질 수 있고, 그 이상도 된다는 것. 인공지능 업그레이드는 무한대임. 정체될 수 없는 것이 인공지능임.
개발자들이 왜 바둑 인공지능을 만들었겠음? 프로기사들이 인공지능에 대한 무지로 수시로 도발하는 발언을 하니 천재들이 바둑 인공지능을 만들어내서 뽄때를 보여준거임.
PS: 거짓말 좀 더 보태서 제주도 급 하나 걸고 4점으로 한국 11위권 기사들과 붙혀 내기(도박)하자고 하면
영국의 컴퓨터 천재들 대가리 싸메고 연구하면 4점으로도 못 당할 거임.
아직까지도 컴퓨터를 우습게 보는.............