But the rules of that game were not fair. A final version of the AI should of been handed to LS 3 months prior. Then they should not been able to code during the tournament. In fact, a lot of human intervention was involved.
I cant believe i watched like 20 nick's videos and only today i realised the pieces are black on one side and white on the other. Ladder game video, totally worth it! haha
In his Day Lee Sedol was the absolute best. The problem with his style is that it isn't for amateurs to learn from in the main. To Play this style of Go, you have to be able to both read 50+ moves in multiple variations in games AND have incredible intuition or creativity. I would study Honinbo Shushui from Japan in the 1890's if I were you trying to learn from a pro. Kitani MInoru is another one to study for us Ama's Avoid Go Seigen, Sakata Eio, and Lee Sedol. They play based on crazy intuition and reading the rest of us don't have
my ranking has increased sharply since the day I stated watching these lectures, so thanks Nick! Could you do a lecture on just KO fights? idealy discussing things like: when to start a ko fight, when not to start one, and just any useful strategy relating to them.
Nick, totally awesome lesson series, but if I can choose a single thing to improve - try to place the stones more precisely, because sometimes you put them literally in the middle between two points. :-) I know where they go at the moment, but later it's rather confusing (for lower levels at least).
I like to imagine that in the distant past, a young Lee Sedol was a bit bored, so he started messing around, placing a bunch of ladders on a board and seeing how they interacted with each other. Most of what he learned that day was probably trivial knowledge, which is pretty much how it always goes. But many years later, he saw this thing develop in this game and said, hey, I seem to remember something about this....
Go is a fascinating game, even if I do not remotely understand game play or tactics and it all looks like a completely random mess of black & white stones.
Hi Nick, I love your videos where you explain the strategy of the top players :-) Shows so much of the true depth of the game. I enjoy this so much even if I don't play any more (too lazy to read :-)) Please do more of these :-)
If white responded to the wedge with the 1-1 corner to put the sacrifice stones in Atari, the trick would have failed and white would have some fairly decent potential with the four stone investment to compensate for loss of sente.
But Black gets a couple of moves to force White to capture, building up some really formidable influence offer the middle of the board. This is unacceptable for White. White just needed to see the wedge coming, and defend instead of trying to run the top left laddered stone out pout
I've watched this game discussed a bunch of times and thought I got it but can anyone tell me why white can't simply take the black corner group by atari-ing at the corner point at any time when his group is under pressure, thus resolving the whole corner situation. Say for instance at move 47 ???
The lower right corner belongs to white already. White can play 19-19 anytime to capture. So white plays somewhere else taking big points or building potential territory. But later White is tricked and has no time to play 19-19.
Jonatan And Vanie 19-19 in response to the wedge, preserves the ladder breaker and give white capture as a response to the crucial Atari (although I doubt Sedol would have played out the ladder after that).
it's ironic that Lee Sedol was known as the guy who lost to alpha go when now he's the only guy to have ever beat the AI
Yeah! and probably the last one to ever will :) So it turned out really good for him.
he beat one version of the AI
Yes he did , the latest at that time, even when he wasn't at his prime.
But the rules of that game were not fair. A final version of the AI should of been handed to LS 3 months prior. Then they should not been able to code during the tournament. In fact, a lot of human intervention was involved.
@@chevykoul4617 so are engineers not allowed to check algorithm for fixing errors that possibly occurred? Well it is really an interesting rule
I cant believe i watched like 20 nick's videos and only today i realised the pieces are black on one side and white on the other. Ladder game video, totally worth it! haha
oh these double sided pieces only happened in this game! Tricky move!
Same what i thought
Very cool! I'm beginning to see why people like Lee Sedol so much.
In his Day Lee Sedol was the absolute best. The problem with his style is that it isn't for amateurs to learn from in the main. To Play this style of Go, you have to be able to both read 50+ moves in multiple variations in games AND have incredible intuition or creativity.
I would study Honinbo Shushui from Japan in the 1890's if I were you trying to learn from a pro. Kitani MInoru is another one to study for us Ama's
Avoid Go Seigen, Sakata Eio, and Lee Sedol. They play based on crazy intuition and reading the rest of us don't have
my ranking has increased sharply since the day I stated watching these lectures, so thanks Nick!
Could you do a lecture on just KO fights?
idealy discussing things like: when to start a ko fight, when not to start one, and just any useful strategy relating to them.
How can anyone be this good? Seeing this game almost makes me lose the will to play Go
Nick, totally awesome lesson series, but if I can choose a single thing to improve - try to place the stones more precisely, because sometimes you put them literally in the middle between two points. :-) I know where they go at the moment, but later it's rather confusing (for lower levels at least).
I am bothered by the Chinese row names instead of using normal letters. It' makes it so complicated to communicate coordinates.
This game is crazy, it's like reality tv for Go.
2 ladders and a double ko. This was a fun game
I like to imagine that in the distant past, a young Lee Sedol was a bit bored, so he started messing around, placing a bunch of ladders on a board and seeing how they interacted with each other. Most of what he learned that day was probably trivial knowledge, which is pretty much how it always goes. But many years later, he saw this thing develop in this game and said, hey, I seem to remember something about this....
glenm99 true
Go is a fascinating game, even if I do not remotely understand game play or tactics and it all looks like a completely random mess of black & white stones.
Hi Nick, I love your videos where you explain the strategy of the top players :-) Shows so much of the true depth of the game. I enjoy this so much even if I don't play any more (too lazy to read :-)) Please do more of these :-)
Point of Go lecture thanks.
13:45 why is this not the thumbnail
some very intresting moves that lee sedol makes
8:20 would 18;13, 17;12, 18;15, work?
I am not sure but it feel like during 53:00, black can fill it in. After throws something, black could take the KO.
If white responded to the wedge with the 1-1 corner to put the sacrifice stones in Atari, the trick would have failed and white would have some fairly decent potential with the four stone investment to compensate for loss of sente.
But Black gets a couple of moves to force White to capture, building up some really formidable influence offer the middle of the board. This is unacceptable for White.
White just needed to see the wedge coming, and defend instead of trying to run the top left laddered stone out pout
Why did black agree to go into ko at minute 48?
I've watched this game discussed a bunch of times and thought I got it but can anyone tell me why white can't simply take the black corner group by atari-ing at the corner point at any time when his group is under pressure, thus resolving the whole corner situation. Say for instance at move 47 ???
The lower right corner belongs to white already. White can play 19-19 anytime to capture. So white plays somewhere else taking big points or building potential territory. But later White is tricked and has no time to play 19-19.
Jonatan And Vanie 19-19 in response to the wedge, preserves the ladder breaker and give white capture as a response to the crucial Atari (although I doubt Sedol would have played out the ladder after that).
This game is so cool! Loves it!!!!
5:15 Why not play 17,6 to protect both cutting points?
Alive in double ko. Disgusting. Beautiful.
Can someone explain why white didn't just play 19-19 at any point (put the black group in Atari) and then capture it?
Because the corner is already white’s corner and it is not necessary to capture the blacks so early as there are many larger places on the board
30:32 I love George. :)
nick sibicky's rival is my friend 4 online go
Was Lee Sedol Black or White?
black
Asian
@@eeje2Very funny!
I've been playing go for negative 8 minutes and I totally saw that shit coming. super saucy though, I'm shocked that it happened to a pro player.
7:29 "this atari doesn't work at all", it does! Its actually a really cool tesuji that kills the whole black group
You mean 7:20... 18-6. How does it kill the group? He explains why the move doesn't work. "White needs to fix now" and black captures white stone.
Play with me in goquest.
i play in goquest but only in 9*9 wich format do you play ? (ps : i m not really good im at 1450 )