Samsung didn't copy apple. Gwu takes is just the larger version of the galaxy gear sport. Also apples watches entire design is just a copy of Samsung gear 2, which is a copy of Casio calculator watch.
I'm liking the Galaxy Watch Ultra so far. But also noticed the HRV to be way off (very high) compared to my Epix Pro and Oura. Even the Galaxy Ring is higher than the others, but at least closer.
Totally agree on the training load stuff. Would really like to see something along the line of what Dave from chase the summit made. Really interested in this way of adding in perceived effort!
The support for external sensors really is a big thing. I am simply not going to switch to Samsung or any other Wear OS watch from Garmin until I can connect to external hrm without problems on those devices.
Just to be clear, as Des mentioned, there are apps that can pair 3rd party sensors on WearOS devices. We're specifically talking about native-level pairing of HR sensors, to ensure what is typically the best battery/cleanest workout recording scenarios. There are of course good 3rd party apps that do good things, but that opens up an entirely different can of worms. (-Ray)
@@thefitfile Got it. I actually watched the video out of order because I wanted to see the Watch 7 info first. Then, when I read this comment and replied to it, I hadn't yet seen the part of the video you are referring to (which I just finished 60 seconds ago). Thanks for the clarification.
I have SportyGo and Gear Tracker II apps installed, but I would prefer Samsung Health to support external sensors natively. Especially when they advertise power meter support on their ultra watch with LTE, but require to use your phone. Isn't the point of LTE is to be able to leave your phone behind?
Great video guys. The Samsung Galaxy Watch Ultra is considered a 'Cushion' design which is used in many high-end Swiss watches. The Panerai Submersible being the most recognized Italian watch. I would attach a picture if I could. I agree. I have an Apple Watch Ultra, Garmin Epix Pro 51mm and the Samsung Black Ultra with Orange strap. If Garmin would give me an Epix Pro 51mm with cellular it would be game over, but don't think that will happen any time soon. Keep up the great work!
Beware the Trail Band on the Ultra--there are several complaints/pics online about the clasp actually digging into your wrist. I'm returning mine because of that. I think I give up and will either switch to Apple for the first time in decades, or else lug my phone with me on my runs with a Garmin (I run isolated rural roads--no way am I going without a phone or Lte)
I disageee with jour view on sleep in the Vitals app. I have Garmin & Oura. If i have a bad nights sleep my Garmin will throw a “35” boom in my face. When Oura will say “don’t worry, 1 night is fine”. I think apple will go down the road with not fuzzing too much with one or two small changes from normal to avoid stressing people. And I for one would appreciate that 😊
Interesting to hear your comment about the Samsung reminding you to take your watch off Des. If I wear my Garmin for too many consecutive days, the skin starts getting affected. Given I tend to ignore the training recommendations, I'm now tending to only use the Garmin for training as a result.
Ok then, what is wrong with the HRV readings? That's the only thing that is a real dealbreaker for me? Where those high numbers come from? Can't be the HR sensor being that wrong at night...
In my case, the HRV numbers are +30ms above their competitors. While Samsung could potentially be using SDNN instead of RMSSD, but that honestly wouldn't account for the massive difference (I can't find documentation yet on which method Samsung is using, but it's very likely RMSSD like everyone except Apple using SDNN). Either way, they're crazy high in comparison. Lots of potential reasons, could be the recording interval might be more smoothed, or some other reasons. (-Ray)
@@thefitfile Thanks! Basically Samsung make as hard to buy their product because of....nonsense really. They must know about that measurement being totally off, the y copy Apple, for sure compare with Garmin....so how are Samsung's metrics supposed to look like? How is it so damn complicated to at least try to represent a reasonable if not completely correct number? They copy so much....why not copy the important stuff as well??
Definitely. By contrast I’ve just given my 5 year old Garmin Fenix 6S to a friend because it’s still a perfectly usable watch and still can last several days depending how much GPS activity you’re doing. I replaced with it with a newer Garmin because I wanted everything that my old watch did, with a brighter screen and week+ battery life
Galaxy design is pretty much the Galaxy gear sport watch from years ago with circle face and cushion. This watch looks like a polished watch, not a gadget like Apple. Ultra has been used by Samsung for premium since Galaxy ultra 2020. The orange color is going to be a thing for all diving watches due to it being easier to spot under water. Aside from the color, watch straps are watch straps. Samsung was the first to popularize Smart watches 2 years before Apple had any.
"Samsung was the first to popularize Smart watches 2 years before Apple had any." Umm...the entire smartwatch industry before Samsung would like to have a chat. Smartwatches were around for years before Samsung came along and did their first in 2013. Also, no, watch straps are not just watch straps. (-Ray)
It's funny, but I don't think it really matters if someone's copying a good design. How many traditional watches are "inspired" by old Rolex designs? It's like cars. They all start looking like each other after a while. These companies are interconnected a lot anyway. Samsung is still making a lot of Apple's components. Nice podcast
So glad I watched this. 100% agree they are missing the "ultra" fitness community without support for external heart rate straps. Shocked you can't pair a Polar h10 or garmin hrm pro. Keep up the great content guys. Always like how you take things a layer deeper than most reviews.
@carloscssr It showed that I had deep sleep and REM, (but) I was tossing and turning all night. A lot of times this has happened, it's hit and miss, but it's expected.
Hey could u pls check if it has HIlT workout mode where u can set different interval timers and does it give u haptic feedback while working out for completing a set like that or a kilometer or a minute like that on the Samsung Watch Ultra as in Apple Watches?
Guys, can you answer a question for me? I've got a GP 10 black, and I want to stream some pool league matches. The problem is the bar room is dimly lit but does have a pool table light right over the table. Can you recommend some settings for that environment? Thanks, Marty
Honestly, it's a hard scenario for a GoPro due to low light not being it's jam. However, dropping down to 1080p is probably your best bet (1080p/30). That'll ensure you don't run into any overheating things. You can also force the ISO up a bit, which will help some. (-Ray)
I had many Galaxy watches, now I have 6 Classic This year I was decided to step up into big boys territory Epix Pro. Now, while I was waiting for september Fenix 8 / Epix pro 3 Samsung just came up with this Ultra with better rugged design, better battery, better sensors and Gps And now I am in the fog : I love Galaxy smartwatch features ( answer call, answer messages, answer emoji messages, see photos messages, open my Tesla etc), and I love the new design But also love even more Garmin more mature / manly design and future proof ( Samsung, as a tech piece is obsolete in max 2 years ). I am 47 and Garmin Epix pro look better for my age I am torn between the 2
I'm finding the sensors pretty poor on the Ultra, HR is inconsitent and HRV seems way off when comaring to whoop/Apple Watch Ultra. Vo2 max is also way off, giving me a significantly higher score than is true
Can we please stop talking about "copying" and giving Apple free advertising. Just talk about the Samsung product as we Samsung users don't give a rat's behind about the fruit company.
No products should be talked about in a vacuum. I'm an extremely strong believer in that. The moment you talk about products without comparing them to the market/competition, you do users a disservice. If people like us hadn't complained for half a decade that the optical HR sensor & GPS on the Samsung watches was so bad compared to their competitors, then frankly, Samsung never would have fixed it. Just like how we talked about how Apple's Training Load isn't all that great compared to their competitors, else, Apple won't fix it. (-Ray)
@@GarminPro A rip off of Samsung's own past products. Geez. how come the big reviewers don't even realize that. None of you apple sheep complain that Apple copied Samsung's Gear 2 from back in 2014 because the display isn't round..
@@mistigeweersbesie "copied Samsung's Gear 2 from back in 2014" - because there were plenty of other rectangle smartwatches before that, such as Pebble in January 2013.
Samsung copied the action button and the bands ONLY ... the square design was introduced in 2013 by Samsung Gear Model, and then in September 2014 Apple presented Apple Watch Sport 42mm and released in May 2015....So Apple copied the square form from Samsung ..... and with the form of Sammy Watch Ultra, check the model from 2017 named Samsung Gear Sport (SM-R600) .... In conclusion Apple come with the button and the straps only 🤣🤣🤣
I'm SOOOOOOOOOOO disappointed to hear the word "disaster" in the GPS accuracy for the 7! I'm wanting a 2nd watch as an insurance policy for my aging Pixel Watch and was really hoping this would be the time Sammy got it right. I've seen lots of individual users who are claiming theirs is much better than their previous iterations, but who knows how much "testing" they've really done with it. This makes two of the three "big" wearable tech reviewers that I follow who have given it the thumbs down. Looking forward to seeing the full review of the 7, but won't be rushing to the store this week, apparently.
Yeah I'm having the same GPS issues with the Ultra as I was having in the beginning with my 5 pro. I feel like the 5 pro had gotten a bit better over time with the updates. Unfortunately we shouldn't be buying these things with our fingers crossed for helpful updates. FWIW my problems primarily occurs during paddling activities over water. Over land such as MTBing or hiking all seems OK except for random incredibly high HR measurements.
@@TimothyBerkey yeah I'm expecting that thing will smooth out over time. If you're not trying to get any pre-order deals waiting a few months or even 6 months could also save you a bit of money and the hiccups worked out.
So apple ripped off samsung a few years ago cause as i can recall and i will have samsung back on this one they had a watch called galaxy gear that was squared. Wait that was like 3 years before apple even dropped a watch.. o yeah my fault apple 🐑 dont think for them selfs apple is the one that tells them how to think and say things i forgot 😂.. this is why apple sheep are just a dam joke and always have been. No wonder samsung/Android users are way smarter 😊
What I'm loving about the podcast is that because they are so frequent it feels like we are listening to your normal catch-ups ❤
Samsung didn't copy apple. Gwu takes is just the larger version of the galaxy gear sport. Also apples watches entire design is just a copy of Samsung gear 2, which is a copy of Casio calculator watch.
I'm liking the Galaxy Watch Ultra so far. But also noticed the HRV to be way off (very high) compared to my Epix Pro and Oura. Even the Galaxy Ring is higher than the others, but at least closer.
There is a review here on RUclips that shows the metrics for ring performance consistently miss the mark.
Totally agree on the training load stuff. Would really like to see something along the line of what Dave from chase the summit made.
Really interested in this way of adding in perceived effort!
The support for external sensors really is a big thing. I am simply not going to switch to Samsung or any other Wear OS watch from Garmin until I can connect to external hrm without problems on those devices.
My Pixel Watch 1 connects to external sensors with no problem. Of course, I don't use fitbit, so the problem is not the watch but the software.
Just to be clear, as Des mentioned, there are apps that can pair 3rd party sensors on WearOS devices. We're specifically talking about native-level pairing of HR sensors, to ensure what is typically the best battery/cleanest workout recording scenarios. There are of course good 3rd party apps that do good things, but that opens up an entirely different can of worms. (-Ray)
@@thefitfile Got it. I actually watched the video out of order because I wanted to see the Watch 7 info first. Then, when I read this comment and replied to it, I hadn't yet seen the part of the video you are referring to (which I just finished 60 seconds ago). Thanks for the clarification.
I have SportyGo and Gear Tracker II apps installed, but I would prefer Samsung Health to support external sensors natively. Especially when they advertise power meter support on their ultra watch with LTE, but require to use your phone. Isn't the point of LTE is to be able to leave your phone behind?
Great video guys. The Samsung Galaxy Watch Ultra is considered a 'Cushion' design which is used in many high-end Swiss watches. The Panerai Submersible being the most recognized Italian watch. I would attach a picture if I could. I agree. I have an Apple Watch Ultra, Garmin Epix Pro 51mm and the Samsung Black Ultra with Orange strap. If Garmin would give me an Epix Pro 51mm with cellular it would be game over, but don't think that will happen any time soon. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for the non bias view to a non-typical player in the sports monitor market.
Beware the Trail Band on the Ultra--there are several complaints/pics online about the clasp actually digging into your wrist. I'm returning mine because of that. I think I give up and will either switch to Apple for the first time in decades, or else lug my phone with me on my runs with a Garmin (I run isolated rural roads--no way am I going without a phone or Lte)
No issue whatsoever with mine
@thefitfile @Desfit, Can you confirm the accuracy issue DCRainmaker is facing with the Galaxy Watch 7 42:34
I disageee with jour view on sleep in the Vitals app.
I have Garmin & Oura. If i have a bad nights sleep my Garmin will throw a “35” boom in my face. When Oura will say “don’t worry, 1 night is fine”. I think apple will go down the road with not fuzzing too much with one or two small changes from normal to avoid stressing people. And I for one would appreciate that 😊
Can you talk about the route features of the galaxy watch ultra...
I did some extensive testing with routes yesterday and will have a section in the final review 👍 (Des)
Interesting to hear your comment about the Samsung reminding you to take your watch off Des. If I wear my Garmin for too many consecutive days, the skin starts getting affected. Given I tend to ignore the training recommendations, I'm now tending to only use the Garmin for training as a result.
I switch wrists every so often and train my mind to remember which wrist my watch is on.
Great review. Most review on the Galaxy seem like an advertisement
Ok then, what is wrong with the HRV readings? That's the only thing that is a real dealbreaker for me? Where those high numbers come from? Can't be the HR sensor being that wrong at night...
In my case, the HRV numbers are +30ms above their competitors. While Samsung could potentially be using SDNN instead of RMSSD, but that honestly wouldn't account for the massive difference (I can't find documentation yet on which method Samsung is using, but it's very likely RMSSD like everyone except Apple using SDNN). Either way, they're crazy high in comparison. Lots of potential reasons, could be the recording interval might be more smoothed, or some other reasons. (-Ray)
@@thefitfile Thanks! Basically Samsung make as hard to buy their product because of....nonsense really. They must know about that measurement being totally off, the y copy Apple, for sure compare with Garmin....so how are Samsung's metrics supposed to look like? How is it so damn complicated to at least try to represent a reasonable if not completely correct number? They copy so much....why not copy the important stuff as well??
Just started listening, much talk about the GPS on time for the Galaxy Ultra?
Yup, we dive into GPS battery times!
I'm convinced they don't want watches to last more than 1 day, so that it's a brick in 1-2yrs and you have to trade in for the new model.
Definitely. By contrast I’ve just given my 5 year old Garmin Fenix 6S to a friend because it’s still a perfectly usable watch and still can last several days depending how much GPS activity you’re doing. I replaced with it with a newer Garmin because I wanted everything that my old watch did, with a brighter screen and week+ battery life
Talking about trade-in, is that only available for you guys, or for us too, and if the latter where and how to get there? I can't find any at garmin.
Samsung has the details on their site, but it's still open for I think pretty much everything.
Galaxy design is pretty much the Galaxy gear sport watch from years ago with circle face and cushion. This watch looks like a polished watch, not a gadget like Apple.
Ultra has been used by Samsung for premium since Galaxy ultra 2020.
The orange color is going to be a thing for all diving watches due to it being easier to spot under water. Aside from the color, watch straps are watch straps.
Samsung was the first to popularize Smart watches 2 years before Apple had any.
"Samsung was the first to popularize Smart watches 2 years before Apple had any." Umm...the entire smartwatch industry before Samsung would like to have a chat. Smartwatches were around for years before Samsung came along and did their first in 2013. Also, no, watch straps are not just watch straps. (-Ray)
Sony had a smartwatch before Samsung, pebble too
Can we not worry about this bs??? The world isn't going to end if companies "copy" each other
@@thefitfile that's true, but it still sounds like you're protecting apple lol
It's funny, but I don't think it really matters if someone's copying a good design. How many traditional watches are "inspired" by old Rolex designs? It's like cars. They all start looking like each other after a while. These companies are interconnected a lot anyway. Samsung is still making a lot of Apple's components. Nice podcast
I wanna love this watch but the heart rate isn't connecting right to peloton app or bike classes.
So glad I watched this. 100% agree they are missing the "ultra" fitness community without support for external heart rate straps. Shocked you can't pair a Polar h10 or garmin hrm pro. Keep up the great content guys. Always like how you take things a layer deeper than most reviews.
Appreciate it!
My Garmin epix pro also shows good sleep when I had very little sleep.
It's not about the time only, it's about sleep stages. You can sleep less and have a good rest,nevertheless.
@carloscssr It showed that I had deep sleep and REM, (but) I was tossing and turning all night. A lot of times this has happened, it's hit and miss, but it's expected.
Hey could u pls check if it has HIlT workout mode where u can set different interval timers and does it give u haptic feedback while working out for completing a set like that or a kilometer or a minute like that on the Samsung Watch Ultra as in Apple Watches?
Great Info Tx Guys !!
Sure thing - thanks!
I’m def into this Coros brand. Coming from Garmin, I like the battery life, and it’s been very reliable.
Guys, can you answer a question for me? I've got a GP 10 black, and I want to stream some pool league matches. The problem is the bar room is dimly lit but does have a pool table light right over the table. Can you recommend some settings for that environment? Thanks, Marty
Honestly, it's a hard scenario for a GoPro due to low light not being it's jam. However, dropping down to 1080p is probably your best bet (1080p/30). That'll ensure you don't run into any overheating things. You can also force the ISO up a bit, which will help some. (-Ray)
Why would one need to substitute TrainingPeaks with mediocre alliterative, no matter if this Apple or Samsung?
It’s not really intended to replace/substitute TP, more for those without a current tool that want to start to track trends. (Des)
I had many Galaxy watches, now I have 6 Classic
This year I was decided to step up into big boys territory Epix Pro. Now, while I was waiting for september Fenix 8 / Epix pro 3 Samsung just came up with this Ultra with better rugged design, better battery, better sensors and Gps
And now I am in the fog : I love Galaxy smartwatch features ( answer call, answer messages, answer emoji messages, see photos messages, open my Tesla etc), and I love the new design
But also love even more Garmin more mature / manly design and future proof ( Samsung, as a tech piece is obsolete in max 2 years ). I am 47 and Garmin Epix pro look better for my age
I am torn between the 2
Best Samsung watch so happy with it. Returned the AWU2 so much dead space on the screen.
I'm finding the sensors pretty poor on the Ultra, HR is inconsitent and HRV seems way off when comaring to whoop/Apple Watch Ultra. Vo2 max is also way off, giving me a significantly higher score than is true
Can we please stop talking about "copying" and giving Apple free advertising. Just talk about the Samsung product as we Samsung users don't give a rat's behind about the fruit company.
It’s a legit rip off 🤣
Wait, you can’t even use an external HR monitor on this android junk? 🤣
No products should be talked about in a vacuum. I'm an extremely strong believer in that. The moment you talk about products without comparing them to the market/competition, you do users a disservice. If people like us hadn't complained for half a decade that the optical HR sensor & GPS on the Samsung watches was so bad compared to their competitors, then frankly, Samsung never would have fixed it. Just like how we talked about how Apple's Training Load isn't all that great compared to their competitors, else, Apple won't fix it. (-Ray)
@@GarminPro A rip off of Samsung's own past products. Geez. how come the big reviewers don't even realize that. None of you apple sheep complain that Apple copied Samsung's Gear 2 from back in 2014 because the display isn't round..
@@mistigeweersbesie "copied Samsung's Gear 2 from back in 2014" - because there were plenty of other rectangle smartwatches before that, such as Pebble in January 2013.
It might be fun to have the bad gps watches (like the galaxy 7) to go up against the forerunner 305.. can it beat a 15+year old watch
This sounds like a fun idea, Paul! (Des)
Samsung copied the action button and the bands ONLY ... the square design was introduced in 2013 by Samsung Gear Model, and then in September 2014 Apple presented Apple Watch Sport 42mm and released in May 2015....So Apple copied the square form from Samsung ..... and with the form of Sammy Watch Ultra, check the model from 2017 named Samsung Gear Sport (SM-R600) .... In conclusion Apple come with the button and the straps only 🤣🤣🤣
I'm SOOOOOOOOOOO disappointed to hear the word "disaster" in the GPS accuracy for the 7! I'm wanting a 2nd watch as an insurance policy for my aging Pixel Watch and was really hoping this would be the time Sammy got it right. I've seen lots of individual users who are claiming theirs is much better than their previous iterations, but who knows how much "testing" they've really done with it. This makes two of the three "big" wearable tech reviewers that I follow who have given it the thumbs down. Looking forward to seeing the full review of the 7, but won't be rushing to the store this week, apparently.
Yeah I'm having the same GPS issues with the Ultra as I was having in the beginning with my 5 pro. I feel like the 5 pro had gotten a bit better over time with the updates. Unfortunately we shouldn't be buying these things with our fingers crossed for helpful updates. FWIW my problems primarily occurs during paddling activities over water. Over land such as MTBing or hiking all seems OK except for random incredibly high HR measurements.
@@HindsightFPV OK, thanks for the reply. I really thought Samsung had their act together. Sounds really hit and miss, right now.
@@TimothyBerkey yeah I'm expecting that thing will smooth out over time. If you're not trying to get any pre-order deals waiting a few months or even 6 months could also save you a bit of money and the hiccups worked out.
So apple ripped off samsung a few years ago cause as i can recall and i will have samsung back on this one they had a watch called galaxy gear that was squared. Wait that was like 3 years before apple even dropped a watch.. o yeah my fault apple 🐑 dont think for them selfs apple is the one that tells them how to think and say things i forgot 😂.. this is why apple sheep are just a dam joke and always have been. No wonder samsung/Android users are way smarter 😊
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