@@AethelwulfOfNordHymbraLand2333will the UK ever need a sizable ground force? It’s nice to have but, considering the size of British allies in Europe it seems redundant. Better to focus on areas were the armed forces are excellent.
No boots DMS and puttees…..no shirts KF……the idiot Gren guards insist on the non camo no 2 dress rank stripes. Boots combat high were trial boots post Falklands. The recce armour was 2 RTR from Wolfenbuttel……this was filmed on the SLTA….armour unloaded at Barrl rail sidings….coz I was there…😂😂
I think they were deliberately filmed with various prototype kit - helmets, BCH, green shirts, LAW80, DPM NBC kit, etc. My boys starred in another SSVC film for which we wore the nylon version of the P58 webbing, Avon respirators and some other kit that never appeared in service. Happy days, though. I bet most of us miss BAOR.
Yeak since ww2 the actual british army has been a badly equipped bum army. Also imagine issuing a rifle that barely works and then having get the germans out of all people to fix it
That was thatcher... She wanted to sell off royal ordnance, but bit hard to sell a firm with no products. So they created one, the SA-80.. Total waste of money.. I expect you know the history of the thing?
Really informative for us civillians. Presumably this material is still valid, except for the use of contact mines and the need to protect against drones.
Very interesting. I see all the webbing is brand new, obviously issued for the Filming. And what is that Helmet they are wearing? Some form of trials MK6? And the Hi leg Combat boots as well? Why are they not in NBC gear?
@@Stanly-Stud I was issued my MK6 in 86 for NI. The Guards however did a lot of newer Infantry Trials of equipment probably from the late 70's/early 80's. The Chin straps look weird on those helmets but looks like a MK6 cover.
The webbing looks like the nylon version of ‘58 that was trialled but not issued. Quite often new kit like this (and BCH and the Helmet) was used to ‘future proof’ the video so it did not look as dated in years to come.
This highlights the difference between extremely well trained professional soldiers- with a wide range of tactical knowledge and skills, and the third rate rabble that passes for the Russian military- as we have witnessed in Ukraine. If they had come on in the same bungling, inept fashion that they have displayed in Ukraine, they would have been carved up badly by the BAOR- regardless of their numbers. In fact, given their apparent ineptitude, their numbers would have probably been a disadvantage.
I think we might have found that 3rd Shock Army were a higher standard than today's Russian Army. Also, of course, virtually every scheme I took part in envisioned massive chemical/nerve agent strikes adhead of the armoured advance. Thank God we never had to find out in real life!
Except we knew damn well that they *WERE* more capable back then. And there is also the small matter that as we learnt in ~95, Soviet doctrine called for nuke and chemical strikes on the assembly points & depots of the forward NATO units. There wouldn't *be* a BAOR to deploy to field if it had have kicked off. Thank fvck. The Russians *became* shite, just as the British Army is *today*. Aside from no being *able* to field & sustain an actual division today, the British Army hasn't *trained or exercised* divisional units in over a decade. Last time they ever *used* one was Gulf War 1. At least the French have kept up their skills.
The widespread use of drones has literally changed the course of war. This is comparable to the appearance of machine guns in World War I. The Russian army was much stronger than the Ukrainian one, but drones leveled the playing field. There can no longer be any talk of surprise. Concentrating military equipment and breaking through the front line is now also impossible. With the help of drones, David can fight Goliath on equal terms. The era has changed.
Alas, this is when the British Army was worth something. Now it's a mere shadow of its former self that would be (along with France, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands) hard-pressed to fight the Russian Army today. 30 years of drawbacks and de-industrialization coupled with Wokeness have decimated Western Armed Forces.
Don't even have to serve to know that's the truth, NATO out of breath just trying to keep artillery flowing to Ukraine and it seems like Russia will have recouped most of their equipment losses in the next 2-3 years. As well as their man power, which will be better trained as they are now have veterans of peer to peer conflict
The UK has never had grand ground forces. Our land battles were always envisioned to be providing the colonies security from the native subjects rather than major engagements.
Odd. The Ukrainian forces seem to be doing a rather better job than they did in 2014, when most of their officer corps was still trained with a barely modified version of Soviet doctrine. It's _almost_ like being trained by a bunch of "woke" advisors made them a highly competent, tactically superior fighting force that was able to turn what was supposed to be a three and a half day "special military operation" into a full scale war that the Russians, with their vast military machine, _still_ haven't been able to bring to a descision. Maybe those British, Canadian and American troops are something someone as ill-informed as you shouldn't be running their mouth about, yeah?
I think these nostalgic comments of a mythical time, that never was as we like to remember, are a complete insult and disregard for those serving in the armed forces.
The DPM pattern changed over time. The 66 and 68 pattern materials were slightly different from each other but both fabrics were used to make uniforms. It was then darkened a bit in the 70's because it had the lovely habit of glowing at night under moonlight. The DPM most are familiar with now are the 85 pattern and 90, 95. They are all a bit different from one and other, usually mostly in the colours used but also the shapes occasionally.
@@Section20Ulmost camos suck. The modern american one and the british and ukrainian one are all literally glowing in sunlight and on drone cameras The modern germans, swiss and russians have the best one. It hides you in vegetation, shadow, night, and even on camera on brown trenches
I remember reading a magazine article (remember those?) about the early experimental versions of the rifle, and they were in an even smaller caliber (but higher velocity) than the 5.56 that was eventually adopted. Title was something like “A Look at the UK’s Unconventional .19 Caliber Infantry Rifle.” Photos accompanying the text had one trooper with the L1-A1 and another with what became the SA-80/L-85 along side. It was a lot more compact, of course, but the L1-A1 always looked so much cooler and hit so much harder in 7.62 NATO. It was the first infantry rifle with an optical sight as standard, although there were versions for cadets and 2nd line troops with conventional iron sights.
@@dogsnads5634 Sounds familiar. It was an American magazine and 19 caliber was the way most American shooters could relate to how revolutionary it was. Made me read the article. I always liked the looks of the SLR, though. Had the Belgian FAL for a while and wish I hadn’t sold it. Great rifle. They never imported a semiauto version of the L-85 series. Like the SUSAT. ACOG’s grandfather.
Given that the Chieftan had a reputation for its engine being as reliable to fail as Field Marshal Haig attack the Somme frontally, its mobility being limited in the forrest may well be a good thing.
My father was in the RAF & was assigned to a radar station at Biggin Hill. He enjoyed the Cold War & had fond memories of drinking tea & eating biscuits, watching Benny Hill on the telly while telling the Yanks Russian bombers were sighted over the Thames River for a laugh. Good old days. Now it's all kabobs & lemon water, MI5 spying on you &...fruits everywhere.
@@iatsd Thats not that much though. As you mention germany they raised 315 divisions in ww2 and around 40% of their male population participated at one point (15 million men). As a german I laugh at britain who wouldve easily lost in ww2 without American support and us fighting 3 fronts at the same time
One division? I recall it being 4 Armoured divisions in Germany. The defence review at the end of the 1970's reorganised those into 3 bigger Armoured divisions in Germany.
@@WithTwoFlakes Not in most of the 80's. It was 1 armoured in Germany. Half of a second there (with all their equipment), the other half in the UK, and a third full division for UK service, plus all the odds and sods for use as needed.
@@AbuHajarAlBugatti >>Thats not that much though. As you mention germany they raised 315 divisions in ww2 and around 40% of their male population participated at one point (15 million men). >As a german I laugh at britain who wouldve easily lost in ww2 without American support and us fighting 3 fronts at the same time
haha their crap may have had some possibility back in 1982. but after decades of fighting only sandal-wearing goat herders. the rude awakening came when they went up against real opposition in Ukraine. legend has it, that a British General cried like a little girl when the first Challenger went up in smoke in ukraine
I do think many technological advancements have severely restricted use of many of these techniques, or at the very least made them much harder to implement. In particular the advent of cheap thermals, reconnaissance through small sized UAVs and the speed at which information can travel now makes it hard to implement effective combat positions like this. At the very least what we have seen in Ukraine is that armor concentrations are nearly impossible to form, as as soon as they are discovered they will be targeted by precision munitions and artillery. This in effect is creating the stalemate we see a lot now. In that sense, the 'guerilla tactics' highlighted in this video would work, as long as you are able to obscure the positions well enough from observation. Defending is usually much easier than attacking, and thats where the crux lies I suppose. If anything, I think the 'scouting' with armored units as the opfor in the video is doing, is most affected by the change in warfare. Moving about in enemy territory with eyes and portable anti tank weapons everywhere is nearly a death sentence. I do wonder how this kind of 'offensive warfare' will change in the future, to break the above mentioned stalemate.
These British training videos are great
This is solid stuff. It all falls or stands with discipline and training.
The tone was very serious in this clip. Thanks for the uploads.
Back then they got the basics of soldiering down to a fine art through repetitive good training
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Thank you very much for uploading.
If only the British army still did excercises like this
Still doing it this way in 2012.
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Back when the UK still had the defence infrastructure and the national myth to assemble a decent ground force.
@@AethelwulfOfNordHymbraLand2333will the UK ever need a sizable ground force? It’s nice to have but, considering the size of British allies in Europe it seems redundant. Better to focus on areas were the armed forces are excellent.
Mike! You are posting videos! Terrific- I hope you and the family are well
No boots DMS and puttees…..no shirts KF……the idiot Gren guards insist on the non camo no 2 dress rank stripes. Boots combat high were trial boots post Falklands. The recce armour was 2 RTR from Wolfenbuttel……this was filmed on the SLTA….armour unloaded at Barrl rail sidings….coz I was there…😂😂
I think they were deliberately filmed with various prototype kit - helmets, BCH, green shirts, LAW80, DPM NBC kit, etc. My boys starred in another SSVC film for which we wore the nylon version of the P58 webbing, Avon respirators and some other kit that never appeared in service. Happy days, though. I bet most of us miss BAOR.
@@turbogerbil2935 yep…agreed. I mean, who in the 1980’s would want to be filmed wearing puttees ffs….🤣
@@mikewinston8709 Puttees became "ally" in time. The old sweats in 5 AB Bde were wearing DMS into the 90s.
@@turbogerbil2935 in 1975 in Berlin I used to see guys from 1 Para still wearing Denison smocks.
Yeak since ww2 the actual british army has been a badly equipped bum army. Also imagine issuing a rifle that barely works and then having get the germans out of all people to fix it
Ridiculous that we swapped the SLR for the SA80
That was thatcher... She wanted to sell off royal ordnance, but bit hard to sell a firm with no products. So they created one, the SA-80.. Total waste of money.. I expect you know the history of the thing?
Really informative for us civillians. Presumably this material is still valid, except for the use of contact mines and the need to protect against drones.
7:58 Sarge sounds like Sharpe, now that's Sargeanting!
OK who else came here to see if they know anyone in it ???????
Done a few exercises over in west Germany in the 70s 80s
They were still using this in 91....im sure i can remember this being shown to us in basic.
I remember this in 82, l was with Recce for Coldstream Guards Battle Group, we were cs T64E. Good days.
Very interesting. I see all the webbing is brand new, obviously issued for the Filming. And what is that Helmet they are wearing? Some form of trials MK6? And the Hi leg Combat boots as well? Why are they not in NBC gear?
we still had steel helmets in`85
@@Stanly-Stud I was issued my MK6 in 86 for NI. The Guards however did a lot of newer Infantry Trials of equipment probably from the late 70's/early 80's. The Chin straps look weird on those helmets but looks like a MK6 cover.
The webbing looks like the nylon version of ‘58 that was trialled but not issued. Quite often new kit like this (and BCH and the Helmet) was used to ‘future proof’ the video so it did not look as dated in years to come.
Combat moustaches are strong in this film🤣
suitably fireproofed
80s britain was moustache country
See they decided not to use the IKP to provide the o/head cover.
It isn't the full video though :(
No worries, Part II is coming soon. Along with about a half-dozen more of these British Army films.
@@MikeGuardiaAuthor :D
@@MikeGuardiaAuthorIt would be interesting to see how this plays out in current times. The days before mobile drones and phones...
Bet the army had more than the predicted 145 challenger three tanks …😊
We had 900 cheftians then !!
This highlights the difference between extremely well trained professional soldiers- with a wide range of tactical knowledge and skills, and the third rate rabble that passes for the Russian military- as we have witnessed in Ukraine. If they had come on in the same bungling, inept fashion that they have displayed in Ukraine, they would have been carved up badly by the BAOR- regardless of their numbers. In fact, given their apparent ineptitude, their numbers would have probably been a disadvantage.
Russia is crushing Ukraine. That's real world not Daily Mail or Telegraph. British Army is a joke.
I think we might have found that 3rd Shock Army were a higher standard than today's Russian Army. Also, of course, virtually every scheme I took part in envisioned massive chemical/nerve agent strikes adhead of the armoured advance. Thank God we never had to find out in real life!
Except we knew damn well that they *WERE* more capable back then. And there is also the small matter that as we learnt in ~95, Soviet doctrine called for nuke and chemical strikes on the assembly points & depots of the forward NATO units. There wouldn't *be* a BAOR to deploy to field if it had have kicked off. Thank fvck.
The Russians *became* shite, just as the British Army is *today*. Aside from no being *able* to field & sustain an actual division today, the British Army hasn't *trained or exercised* divisional units in over a decade. Last time they ever *used* one was Gulf War 1. At least the French have kept up their skills.
The widespread use of drones has literally changed the course of war. This is comparable to the appearance of machine guns in World War I.
The Russian army was much stronger than the Ukrainian one, but drones leveled the playing field. There can no longer be any talk of surprise. Concentrating military equipment and breaking through the front line is now also impossible.
With the help of drones, David can fight Goliath on equal terms.
The era has changed.
@@Robert6889Well said!
Alas, this is when the British Army was worth something. Now it's a mere shadow of its former self that would be (along with France, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands) hard-pressed to fight the Russian Army today. 30 years of drawbacks and de-industrialization coupled with Wokeness have decimated Western Armed Forces.
Don't even have to serve to know that's the truth, NATO out of breath just trying to keep artillery flowing to Ukraine and it seems like Russia will have recouped most of their equipment losses in the next 2-3 years. As well as their man power, which will be better trained as they are now have veterans of peer to peer conflict
The UK has never had grand ground forces. Our land battles were always envisioned to be providing the colonies security from the native subjects rather than major engagements.
Odd. The Ukrainian forces seem to be doing a rather better job than they did in 2014, when most of their officer corps was still trained with a barely modified version of Soviet doctrine.
It's _almost_ like being trained by a bunch of "woke" advisors made them a highly competent, tactically superior fighting force that was able to turn what was supposed to be a three and a half day "special military operation" into a full scale war that the Russians, with their vast military machine, _still_ haven't been able to bring to a descision.
Maybe those British, Canadian and American troops are something someone as ill-informed as you shouldn't be running their mouth about, yeah?
@@robashton8606 Keep deluding yourself. Apparently the Russian Army with their “shovels and meatwaves” have consistently beaten the Ukr Army,
I think these nostalgic comments of a mythical time, that never was as we like to remember, are a complete insult and disregard for those serving in the armed forces.
interesting...
Great how they are taking orders with combat jackets and 2 dress shirts underneath 😂😂
......Pub later 😄
What camo pattern are their uniforms? It doesn't look like the British DPM I'm familiar.
It is normal DPM for the 80’s……I was there…😂
The DPM pattern changed over time. The 66 and 68 pattern materials were slightly different from each other but both fabrics were used to make uniforms. It was then darkened a bit in the 70's because it had the lovely habit of glowing at night under moonlight. The DPM most are familiar with now are the 85 pattern and 90, 95. They are all a bit different from one and other, usually mostly in the colours used but also the shapes occasionally.
@@Section20Ul Thank you. I was looking at these patterns at Camopedia. Thanks again.
@@Section20Ulmost camos suck. The modern american one and the british and ukrainian one are all literally glowing in sunlight and on drone cameras
The modern germans, swiss and russians have the best one. It hides you in vegetation, shadow, night, and even on camera on brown trenches
Seen this in basic training. Glencorse. 😅
Where is the full length version?
Just posted! ruclips.net/video/BvLJLDOY6J8/видео.html
@@MikeGuardiaAuthor Thank you!
The BMP didn't burn as well as the vehicles in Ukraine.
Still SLR rifles in 1982 - when did SA80s get issued? 1988 or so?
we were issued the SA 80 in 86.
I remember reading a magazine article (remember those?) about the early experimental versions of the rifle, and they were in an even smaller caliber (but higher velocity) than the 5.56 that was eventually adopted. Title was something like “A Look at the UK’s Unconventional .19 Caliber Infantry Rifle.” Photos accompanying the text had one trooper with the L1-A1 and another with what became the SA-80/L-85 along side. It was a lot more compact, of course, but the L1-A1 always looked so much cooler and hit so much harder in 7.62 NATO. It was the first infantry rifle with an optical sight as standard, although there were versions for cadets and 2nd line troops with conventional iron sights.
@@brinsonharris9816 4.85 was the calibre. By all accounts it was as effective as 5.56.
@@dogsnads5634 Sounds familiar. It was an American magazine and 19 caliber was the way most American shooters could relate to how revolutionary it was. Made me read the article. I always liked the looks of the SLR, though. Had the Belgian FAL for a while and wish I hadn’t sold it. Great rifle. They never imported a semiauto version of the L-85 series. Like the SUSAT. ACOG’s grandfather.
(c) Crown 😂 Lizzy herself edited that
1982, same year as the Falklands War.
Given that the Chieftan had a reputation for its engine being as reliable to fail as Field Marshal Haig attack the Somme frontally, its mobility being limited in the forrest may well be a good thing.
pawns fighting for another mans land.
When we had an Army 😒
.....chainsaw tree felling at 9.20 blunt as my arse 😆
My father was in the RAF & was assigned to a radar station at Biggin Hill. He enjoyed the Cold War & had fond memories of drinking tea & eating biscuits, watching Benny Hill on the telly while telling the Yanks Russian bombers were sighted over the Thames River for a laugh. Good old days. Now it's all kabobs & lemon water, MI5 spying on you &...fruits everywhere.
5:10 40 years ago
Nowadays ukraine: lets dig a small water-drain,put wood on its walls and call it a day. Half their trences are literally knee deep
That's the Soviet way of doing it. Old habits...
As general rommel said about the british lions lead by donkeys 🫏
Even then they were pretending to be a strong army 😂😂😂
Back then they were. A division in Germany and able to raise two more in the UK.
@@iatsd
Thats not that much though. As you mention germany they raised 315 divisions in ww2 and around 40% of their male population participated at one point (15 million men). As a german I laugh at britain who wouldve easily lost in ww2 without American support and us fighting 3 fronts at the same time
One division? I recall it being 4 Armoured divisions in Germany. The defence review at the end of the 1970's reorganised those into 3 bigger Armoured divisions in Germany.
@@WithTwoFlakes Not in most of the 80's. It was 1 armoured in Germany. Half of a second there (with all their equipment), the other half in the UK, and a third full division for UK service, plus all the odds and sods for use as needed.
@@AbuHajarAlBugatti >>Thats not that much though. As you mention germany they raised 315 divisions in ww2 and around 40% of their male population participated at one point (15 million men). >As a german I laugh at britain who wouldve easily lost in ww2 without American support and us fighting 3 fronts at the same time
Are there any women here today??? What about at 1:20????
thats not a woman lol
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I think the Ukrainian army might have a different view
Я не про сегодня и не о том что происходит . А я о том времени , когда был СССР ☝️@@DrMikeOckhertz
Just goes to prove there's nothing new . Could be Ukraine .
those FAL type rifles should've been retired to civilian ownership to maintain the Western world. its been downhill since they've been gone.
They were sold off to other armies.
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haha their crap may have had some possibility back in 1982. but after decades of fighting only sandal-wearing goat herders. the rude awakening came when they went up against real opposition in Ukraine. legend has it, that a British General cried like a little girl when the first Challenger went up in smoke in ukraine
the challengers sent over are decades old and not driven by brits
so if they were driven by brits they would not be a burning wreck? and the 'modern' version is soooo much better. that it?@@johnmadara1252
I do think many technological advancements have severely restricted use of many of these techniques, or at the very least made them much harder to implement. In particular the advent of cheap thermals, reconnaissance through small sized UAVs and the speed at which information can travel now makes it hard to implement effective combat positions like this.
At the very least what we have seen in Ukraine is that armor concentrations are nearly impossible to form, as as soon as they are discovered they will be targeted by precision munitions and artillery. This in effect is creating the stalemate we see a lot now. In that sense, the 'guerilla tactics' highlighted in this video would work, as long as you are able to obscure the positions well enough from observation. Defending is usually much easier than attacking, and thats where the crux lies I suppose.
If anything, I think the 'scouting' with armored units as the opfor in the video is doing, is most affected by the change in warfare. Moving about in enemy territory with eyes and portable anti tank weapons everywhere is nearly a death sentence. I do wonder how this kind of 'offensive warfare' will change in the future, to break the above mentioned stalemate.
@@JK-dv3qe short awnser.... yes
Says the 🤡 who plays too much COD….stfu
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