722.6 Nag1 transmission mod + repairs, conductor plate, service, program plate W210 E300td
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- Опубликовано: 13 фев 2024
- The shop w210 e300 turbodiesel had some shifting issues after the 7.7mm EDC fuel pump upgrade, finally we make it better.
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10/10 for the manual valve body on the 722.6, thats a game changer !!!!
Luke, there's a company called Nag52. He makes a programmable version of the TCU to help tune the shifts.
Hey, I'm the creator of the ultimate-nag52 project...during my research, I've found there are actually 2 valve bodies for the 722.6 (blue/brown top solenoids have no effect in this regards), 7700mbar peak body, and 9700mbar peak body (only fitted to 113k and V12 cars). If you want a massive upgrade in what the gearbox can take without upgrading clutches, install the higher pressure valve body
To add to this, all the blue top solenoids do (there is a ton of bad info on the internet), is react faster to current changes, thus, allow for a faster ramp in pressure due to their stronger valve springs, but they do not create higher pressure, they just allow for more rapid changes in pressure
There also are Versions with and without tcc dampener valve. What is the exact difference between the two valve body's?
@@DrZoidbergism yes, tcc damper valve is added to later revisions of both body's, but it doesn't affect the operation of the unit from the TCUs POV. the differences I'm talking about allow for higher working pressure. This is how the early 580 units were mated to a V12, which would output far more than 580nm of torque. It has stronger regulator springs inside, so it creates higher working pressure on the applied clutches. Swapping these 2 valve bodies without coding the tcu would be unpredictable as the pressure curve is different (X amount of current to the solenoids yields Y amount of pressure)
@@RANDASH So as far as I understand, if I just put on a whole valve body from m113k car (p/n. A 240 270 01 06) to my w210 om606 gearbox 722.608, and use NAG52 Controller, I won't have to deal with all the v8 transmission swap fuss? And how much torque theoretically could hold such a frankenstein like 722.608 from om606 with valvebody from m113k?
@@rokasbaltusnikas6065 your probably just better off swapping the whole gearbox, .608 is very old, and a lot of parts have been superseded by stronger components. That said, I wouldn't know exactly how much torque it can hold, since I'm yet to reverse engineer EGS51 (which .608 only came with). There are maps on the TCU for max load with a given pressure, but when I find them I'll respond to this comment :)
I just replaced it with new one "from the box". After 450k it still was ok, but i got lucky, and i found a totally new gearbox in Mercedes box that was lying in a warehouse and no one needed it. I buy it, replaced front oil seal, thrust of the gear lock, main connector, and filter. Fill it with Fuch oil, make an run about 500km, and again replaced the oil and filter. So now my 25year old Benz got an brand new gear box for next 450K :)
The world is still good as long as you're producing videos.
The fact that your trying to engineer a manual valve body for that trans kind of blows my mind !!! Seriously!
Well done Luke!
This is quality content. Very interesting and informative, and exactly like working in a well run workshop with experienced techs and good support. Well done, thanks for sharing and teaching us how it's done.
I am not planning on doing this anytime soon but I just enjoy the content. Luke's great on cam and could host a garage show.
Just managed to pick up a '99 S210 300TD Elegance Estate in Champagne Colour for 1500 Euros, your 210 videos were the inspiration for this choice! Sure I will be making some orders over the next few months 😁
Did a video a while ago on the FCP Euro channel that got into the blue top solenoids, which I did on my own car (a W208 with a 5.4L/722.636 swap). I will say, driving the car untuned and with no modifications other than the solenoids, the shifts were noticeably firmer than stock. Not jarring, but were more decisive to the point that subframe bushings moved up the priority list quickly on my 232k-mile chassis.
When I eventually went to the OFGear standalone TCM, it HATED the blue top solenoids. The factory brown-tops paired with the OFGear was the secret sauce for someone who wanted to abandon the luxuries and comforts the 722.6 provides and instead wants the fastest shifts possible.
Excellent video. Having done more or less this same job myself, even I learned a thing or two when it came to the valve body balls
So what’s your conclusions about ?
I'd recommend the blue tops, but I'd recommend pairing them with a TCM tune meant for them. Some folks were concerned about the shift pressures being too high with them back in the day...I think that's a load of nonsense, but regardless, it is always wise to tune for modifications and hardware changes. Do the blue tops, but get a trans tune.
And DEFINITELY do the OFGear, it was awesome. Just stick with the standard brown solenoids if your car came with them.
Along with trans-service, ( filter&fluid) I've always flushed as much fluid from the torque converter as possible without an active flush system. I simply remove and replace one liter at a time at the trans cooler inlet connection, up front until it runs clean. Usually 3-4 liters. This I do incrementally, "Before" the official startup. Nice to have a spotter with a catch can larger than 1 liter.
Perfect timing! Planning to service my gearbox this weekend👌
As per usual, tremendous vid, educational, practical, useful...👍🏼
thanks for including the torque settings, very helpful :)
Amazing vid,I wish I could do this,I have a 2000 E320 Wagon transmission is starting to have problems when cold, I have to let my wagon warm up 30 to 45 minutes before driving it after that works amazing,smooth and strong gears,I don't even feel the gears,but cold it doesn't work well,I'm starting to get really worried it's all I have to put food on the table, I live in USA and here you take it to a mechanic and then you have no transmission they will brake it,I don't trust anyone,same at the dealer, they will brake it so they can charge you more ! I did spark plugs coils and wires myself, I have to get the tools parts and corage, Study this Videos well to do it myself otherwise Mechanics will destroy my wagon!I wish I could find one of those Diesel Turbo Wagons here in USA, Amazing vid thanks for your time!
I will buy one for sure ❤
Yes , I agree defo got a good voice etc for TV.
1:44 Dispose of this properly.....put it through a coffee filter and right into the fuel tank. Bamm, 'disposed of'! I have a 7.3 f250 so i just pour it right into fuel tank(after filtering, sometimes). I love these older diesels that have nothing choking them like dpf, scr, egr, etc. 👍🏻👌🏻🛠️🔧🔩⛓️🚜⚡💥💨💨🛢️🚦⛽🚧
Brilliant video cheers👊🏼
Great car no doubt
What a great video
INTERESANTE LOS RESULTADOS DE ESE MB
Put your hand up if you have forgotten to put a filter on.
Take off your passenger head light housing (driver side usa version)and inspect the soft lines of the trans intercooler. Big deal right there.had a phantom leak .leaking without showing signs.
Ah, gearbox gravy. Yum yum. As a retired chauffeur business proprietor I found the gearboxes pretty reliable in all of my W210s, but the diff's sometimes clunked and leaked. I could never figure out if that was due to hard driving or a general weakness...
With this Mercedes he will be happy and Lewis Hamilton, look at me. Thank you! You are great!!
Dude, king charles fingers 😂😂😂😂😂
Mahker have recently put out a video where they say the OM606 belongs in a Mercedes coupe and nothing else, seems like maybe you touched a nerve with your OM605 series 😂
Good video, the engine mounts are a swine on a petrol V8 😂
Have you done any R&D on using the 722.9 yet? I've had my valve body out of my 722.9 3 times recently, changed the conductor plate and got it working 95% But still some of the shifts feel a bit off at times.
I didn't appreciate the function of the programming plate till watching this video, so wondering if there's a future upgrade for the 722.9 you could develop?
WHO in the world ”welded” that downpipe? 😳😂😂
wait what are you supposed to ahve the engine running when checking trans oil?
Where did u buy that plate from ?
I didn't see the program plate for sale in the shop. I'm about to purchase the kit and would love to do the upgrade as well! Will it be available soon?
What would you recommend for me to get if I want a response monster OM606? Pump and turbo wise. I don't need 400 hp, I want it to pick up early and have diesel characteristics.
I have a 08 jeep commander 3.7 awd with 722.6 nag1 trans.
What does this program plate help with? I want to buy the conductor plate. Do you offer both is so where do i buy from? Im in the U.S.
Great vid.
Thank you.
do you update the ECU firmware?
would love to know if one of your 7.7 edc pumps would work with my stage 2 tuned Sean Tracey ecu mod our would I have to have the ecu re tuned for your pump..
It would work yes but ideally Sean has a different map for the custom edc pumps
when is the plate going to be available for sale?
Fellas got question.
I have 92 w140 s300 no motor and transmission.
My plan put it on m606 and keep simple no electronics. But I want turbo kit from you guys.Also what is best transmission for m606 .for mpg, ratio, and speed
Thanks
Does the valvebody plate fit a 722.6 trans from a w211 320 cdi and does it bring any benefits for it?
Yes
@@DieselPumpUK sounds like it fits all 722.6 right?
so when is this going to the web?
Should race Kacper Grubba and there 6.2l Mercedes turbo deisel swapped w210
Did you drain the torque converter too?
So 5 liters is enough when doing conductor plate change? :)
Can you do this modification with a 2004 C320 with the M112 E32 engine?
Man, for the sake of the climate change!
Do something with this exhaust.
3" should do the trick and high flow cat.
Anyway,nice dad's sleeper wagon
7.1 liters with torque converter drain
Hello.... thank you for the useful video, but I got a question, I replaced my car Transmission Conductor Plate NAG1 for 2007 Chrysler 300C 5.7l AWD, it works then not shifting, they told me your Transmission need programming to work correct, someone else told me it doesn't need programming, so I got confused does it need Programming as you a professional???
Cuz am afraid to pay money for programming then if it doesn't work then you waste the money for nothing.
Thank you
No related question to this video. I am based in UAE and have a w126 that I would like to swap engine to one of yours. Do you have experience fitting your engines to a w126 body? If so please share the details, if no would this be feasible ? Mind you there are still a lot of w126 enthusiast that would like to use the car as daily drive but original engines lack the power for today traffic..!?
Will this kit fit a v6 clk320 56 plate
All 5 speed tranys are same on mercs
Hi, mate! 🤙🏼
Where it's possible to get your contacts?
This year my plan is to OM swap my Volvo 945.
Need some help with information and materials.
Looks like it need a headlight polish
any updates on the manual valve body for this transmission?
The blue, AMG ones are much better
🤣🤣🤣 in the USA