The economic case for open borders
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
- Around the world, politicians are clamoring to shut down their borders and tighten control in a wave immigration reform. But the tiny island of Singapore-a rich, thriving, financial hub-has opened its doors to migrants.
Quartz reporter Preeti Varathan traveled to Singapore to try to understand why more countries aren’t following Singapore’s lead when it comes to immigration policy. Turns out, there’s a catch.
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#openborders #immigration
I’m a Singaporean and we have the strictest immigration plc around the world. We do not discriminate where you come from but you better have good qualification and job experiences and guaranty to not burden our tiny country.
Anirudh Gopinath It’s funny because it’s much easier to immigrate to the US than to Singapore, there is no such thing as naturalisation here, whether you’re born in Singapore or whether we find out someone immigrated illegally, it shows bad credibility on that person who tried to exploit rules and systems, and he will be blacklisted forever. In the west that person gets a citizenship lmao
A G wrong, Singapore requires the highest amount for investment immigration and require high skill set for professional migration. The rest are only given temporary contract visa and forced to leave after their contract ends
A G false , Singapore rejects even greater numbers per capita.
@A G AG the difference is that the USA has family reunification-based immigration, which consist of like 90% of immigrants to the USA. This means the majority of immigrants entering the USA are based on family ties, not based on merit. Canada and Singapore use merit-based immigration, usually the requirement is English language fluency, post-secondary education attainment (university and/or college), and high wealth (in Canada, requires at least $15,000 in your bank account).
France has the hardest immigration laws in The World
"Singapore has open borde--JUST KIDDING."
immigrant:
yay! i'm the richest in my village
6 months later... oh, i'm poor again, i just bought a new hut which i can no longer maintain
Singapore would benefit from a borderless world. Real estate isn't cheap and folks might live in Malaysia and commute to Singapore for work.
As a malaysian, i laughed at this. Full of deception
Meh at best.
Welcome to America! Currently, liberals and Democrats who want open borders are CONSTANTLY deceiving the public masses through illogical and irrational sociology and gender studies courses at college, to these stupid youtube videos, to popular news channels that many Americans watch such as CNN. It is a big problem right now that many smart people are trying to fix.
Ye lah
{{{deceived dummies}}}
@Heather Larson you are right dude.
I am too indian 😂😁😁😂😂😂
Using Singapore as an example of an "open border" is questionable. I think "The economic case of importing low-skilled foreign workers and assigning them a legal lower-class in the society and not letting them stay" would make a more appropriate title for this video.
Yeah, right...no doubt a millennial.
Edit: I stand corrected...Singapore doesn't have "open" border.
Fudge, Lucky Plaza still standing?
That is not true dude, 30% of sing pop are foreign born, so are a large percentgae of Swiss. Get your racist ass out of here.
Singapore and Switzerland are two of the richest utopias on the planet. They also have the strictest immigration control systems, by far.
This is not a good video...
@A G Which is fine, very few people are against skilled civilized immigrants coming to their countries legally. Which of course has no overlap with open borders.
No, my friend, that distinction belongs to THE UNITED ARAB EMIRATES, and their semi-slave caste of migrant workers.
If you really wanna picture open borders, picture less Singapore, and more Dubai.
Lol, its not false. The country with the higest proportion of immigrants of its population is The United Arab Emirates.
Of its 9 million people living there, only about a million are actual arab citzens.
And while Singapore openly prefers more wealthy and skilled immigrants, the UAE brings millions and millions of cheap workers from South Asia, which they can then use to to literally everything the natives dont want to.
So, if you want a more Accurate notion of what open borders would be, you should focus a little more o their example, because the majority of would-be migrants would not be skilled.
There would be a lot less Singapores, and a lot more Dubais.
Switzerland is Socialist
Songapore’s borders are not open! I repeat not OPENED! The government has tight restriction on migrant students, workers and guardians, that is why Singapore is so successful! The migrant construction. Workers are taken in very systematically, they have housing, food and other benefits already planned out for them and it’s free, and they have leaders there who can speak both English and the forgein language. They already have a schedule planned out for them, and when it’s time to hand over their worker pass, they will be sent back to their country. In order to become Singaporean citizens, you must make an investment or be a super skilled and talented person or you are a student here. Singapore only want the best of the best to become their citizens.
Yeah. We did.
Quartz ok, so what’s the point of using Singapore as an example?
I agree with your sentiments, but nothing is "free".
It may be free to them but someone had to pay for their housing and everything else.
I'm wondering if there is a shortage of locals there that could have done those jobs though.
Like is there no unemployment there or people om welfare they could have given those jobs to instead of bringing in foreigners?
Here in the States they give them everything free
@@Qznews What a load of crap
Death penalty for Marijuana in this country. Should tell you everything you need to know about this Government.
It's an amazing country. :)
@@Olematonnimi yes it is, that's why I chose the word Government. There is a separation.
Joshua Smith Ok my mistake. Great government. :)
@@JoshuaSmith99 Generalization. Most of SE Asia also gives death penalty for most drugs... just because we are literally the other "drugs crossroads" outside of Latin America...
But well, if you're in my country you just need to pay the po' or ask someone to bail you out before verdict's in :p
Its not the government, its the enforcement lol
Don't police shoot black people in America for jaywalking? 🤔🤔
lemme just compare a 26 mile island to the United States
Open international borders across the globe is just too theoretically utopian to be true and the hidden risks are just disastrously overlooked
You are 100% wrong!
@@VNn2023 He's literally 100% factually and objectively correct
@@adamnasir2 Prove it
Im trusting this channel less and less, the more videos i see
One of greatest joys of having different countries, with different ethno-racial groups, is differences of national identity.
@Simon Noel There's the matter of kinship, especially when it's the matter of country and fellow-country folk. Citizenship is a formality,… it's not biology. Isolated breeding populations created distinctive differences with different populations. And, btw, we humans purportedly share about 98.8% of the basically same DNA as Bonobos/Chimpanzees. It doesn't take much genetic difference to make very evident morphological differences.
@Simon when you go to other people countries you assimilate
@Simon Yes, you are a guest in a country other than what you are a citizen of. And, of course even within your own country in many cases, you're a guest in many situations.
I am Irish living in England, if there were open borders I would be on the first plane to the United States.
Idealists present incomplete information that seems to be logical. Their assumption is always that humans are good and nothing bad will result. But we see in reality that drug cartels and foreign enemies readily take advantage of opportunities like an open border. How many US citizens have to die, how many have to be captured into human trafficking, how much taxation to pay for the flood of unprepared or vetted illegal immigration is sustainable, and what is the end game? Zero law, zero freedom, zero resistance to corrupt and armed government....in short the collapse of the US Constitution and the brilliant model of freedom it provided, in exchange for a single ruling elite that decides a what a person's life will be and what they will be allotted. The USSR on a global scale.
Of course she buries the negative factors and only talks about the positive. The negative factors outweigh the positive ones.
As an immigrant, I need to explain something:
Is not about getting any inmigrant, is about following norms, and an order. I'm very sure that all inmigrants in the city were selected.
I’ve never seen a 100% disagreement in a comment section with a video . Congratulations!
i feel like this was made by some upper middle class american women that is having a hard time finding a maid.🤣🤣
I really want to agree with this video. But its very simplistic and doesn't actually address the primary concerns.
Because they suck.
Me too, but you can just feel how this video didn't do the issue any justice.
If you are rich, diversity means:
1) Cheaper labor
2) Higher profits
3) More food options, etc
If you are poor or working class, diversity means:
1) Crime
2) Lower wages
3) Lack of social cohesion
The working class and poor are the MAJORITY. Why is diversity promoted by the oligarchs?
Diversity is overrated
That's not an open border problem, it's a citizenship problem.
Open borders, is a temporary economic fix, just like isolationism.
@1st Soy Battalion 75th Bugman Brigade that too.
........the future is looking so bright.......................
Open borders to Israel
This didn’t age well!
I foresee a few problems:
1. Immediate decline in nominal wage rates
across the developed world.
2. Global exchange rate volatility
3. Omnitaxibility: any 'government' or quasi-
governmental body may choose to force
any part of the world to pay its taxes.
4. No mediating bodies to mitigate ethnic
tensions, especially in Malaysia, Zambia,
and/or the Levant.
5. Overextraction of resources in certain
regions, to the point of serious ecological
damage.
6. Faster and wider spread of diseases, like
Ebola.
This was a great counter argument I found in another comment section.
1. Thanks to corporate greed that is already happening...
2. If we leave commerce the way it is and just have it for human rights only open border option, it wouldn't effect it
3. If there is commerce involved and money involved probably, but if it is just people traveling freely probably not
4. 5. And 6. You can't be that naive thinking everyone will flcok to 1st world countries. Not everybody wants to leave their country.
1. Thanks to corporate greed that is already happening...
2. If we leave commerce the way it is and just have it for human rights only open border option, it wouldn't effect it
3. If there is commerce involved and money involved probably, but if it is just people traveling freely probably not
4. 5. And 6. You can't be that naive thinking everyone will flcok to 1st world countries. Not everybody wants to leave their country.
Singapore's model would not work with blacks and Latinos.
There's places in Asia much worse than any Latin American country ok.
@@redofspades - LOL
Works great for the rich people. The poor or low skilled workers suffer the most from mass migration.
Obviously not true for the ones who migrate.
No proof of this exist.
@@mathyeuxsommet3119The best examples is Europe or the states that boarder Mexico
@@Blizzardisclose No it doesn't,no economic rational show that immigrants have any bad economic effects.
People who support open borders should support open doors for their houses and let homeless people live in them
Miami doesn't get richer by hiring a migrant if theres already people willing to do the job. Miami especially doesn't get richer if the migrant sends all their earnings over seas. Open borders would be a catastrophe and huge drain on the US economy
Economic reasons: It lets corporations pay people lower wages
So the corporate get more things done for less money and immigration get more money then they and in their country of origin.Everyone wins.
I disliked the video not because I don't agree with Oper borders, I truly think and hope that will be the future, but because it's utterly simplistic and it takes as an example Singapore - which from personal experience is unfortunately not at all open-borders
Stefano Bernardi Why do you hope that will be the future? Not trying to start a fight, I'm just genuinely interested in hearing a different opinion.
Open Borders for Stefano Bernardi's house!!!
@@DeoVindice999, in my case, that part was pretty selfish, to be honest. Moving from a country to another became very easy with current technology. Not just because of the cost of flying, but also the logistics itself. For example, you can read tons of information regarded a specific location, you can instantly get in touch with people from that area, you can have an interview with a company from that specific country "without leaving your kitchen". As soon as you found a job, you can start looking for a house without even being in the "target" country.
So, we have the ability to move around, and it's not just "poor people that want to steal our wealth" that wants to move but it might be your own neighbors. For many reasons: they want to live in a different environment, they want to progress in their career, etc.
Anyway, take the example of a couple in which one party is from country A, the other is from country B.
If they wanted to live in country A, she cannot stay.
If they wanted to live in country B, he cannot stay.
If they wanted to go to country C, one of the two still cannot stay.
This issue sometimes (NOT always) can be fixed with marriage but only if you are a *male + female couple*, and even in that case, acquiring the prerequisite to living in a given country shouldn't be the or one of the reasons to marry someone. It's not a matter of commitment, it's about creating healthy families that can raise healthy kids, and improve society everywhere.
This video is a joke. You talking about country that size of city. Sure, the front sound good. You did not go through to process.
Where to go if there is no border? Everything is the same and the only climate will be the distinctive feature. No countries, no currencies, no cultures. No, I don’t want to live in such a world.
why only in Whit3 countries?
What kind of propaganda is this?!😂
Very little of what she says is true.
More like mis understanding and half truths.
Singapore is extremely strict with its borders.
They are also strict on crime and violence.
'Why isn't everyone doing it?' Because everyone is not you.
The EU is a very bad example of open borders.
Also, the U.K. has open borders.
Countries and Nations would lose identity if the world was open borders. Different cultures and foreign lands make traveling interesting. The world is boring if every other nation on Earth is basically the same, and who the hell would run the World Government?
Great case for a regulated guest worker program. Not open borders.
@Accelerationist Yeah that's certainly a problem. It appears in Singapore they are strict about enforcing it, but would I trust the US government to enforce the law? HECK NO. Even with a supposedly fascist, anti immigrant President we still have nearly 20 million illegals. So I would not support such a program in the US, unless there were some concessions like abolishing birthright citizenship and more funding for deporting people who overstay visas.
The amount of people commenting after having watched only the first 30 seconds of the video is staggering.
You're telling us. >>sigh
Singapore is tiny, not even the size of new York city.
surely only those rich enough to move will be able to benefit from open borders. where as those that are to poor to move will suffer the most from increased competition and lower wages.
Sure, rich and poor is a kind of inhibitor. Also thinking in terms of skilled and unskilled. Educated and not educated. In regards to the individual and the argument for open borders - opportunity seems to outweigh the setbacks.
@@Qznews This video screams first world priviledge, even if you are tryring to be all left wing, progressive etc. you guys are massively failing. Do you think migrants like leaving their countries, families, cultures? All people want to see their own countries prosper and develop, and it is each countries right to prosper. Your argument is basically saying that countries like Haiti should live off the money haitian immigrants send to their families and never develop, because diversity for rich countries is more important than letting poor countries develop, grow industry and stable economies.
Thanks for your reply, I think that there are certainly many benefits for the immigrants and the host countries.
I think the way in which Singapore has implimented their immigration policy is a good balance as it protects the native population while giving the opportunities to those in need.
In terms of skilled and unskilled, I think that is another factor you could explore further in your videos, Since immigration can lead to brain drain from developing countries.
Simeon Coath The roots of brain drain lies more in hearts of corruption and politics, denying them the opportunity to make a change.
For Example is india's filling of institutions through caste quota. Resulting in stagnant working environment and denying the deserving ones.Also there is to blame the mafia and general public that are short sighted and chooses subsidies over economic development.
As a result they move to places where their work is given a value
That is a very good point Promod Gogoi, I still think with a deeply rooted cultural problem such as that the change must come from the brightest of the younger generation but I know that is not that simple.
Unoriginal, lazy arguments...
Please don’t come to my country. Stay where you are and make ur country great!
"You can basically summerize open boarders like this. When you let a lot of people in your country prospers" Do you realize how dangerous your ignorance is
I have to agree with a lot of comments here! To me the whole point of open borders is the fact that people would be allowed to move to any country to live, work or get an education. This also means that immigrants would have an opportunity to go back to their country. Thus reducing the tensions in developed countries and benefiting developing countries.
This video misses this point completely.
That Haiti worker sending money back to Haiti doesn't benefit the US, also it doesn't benefit the US for that Haiti worker to move to the US when unemployment is 3%, if it was 0% or in the negative, then yes, it would benefit the US.
The problem with any of this conversation is the lack of conversation for the above.
At 3% unemployment is basically just system so won't labour shortage are very much possible in an environment like that.
Full on bulls'it
I strongly support open borders but I don't know if it's that effective. You guys are portraying it as this simplistic utopian solution to much more complex problems. The EU is a good example but you didn't really talk about it... It's interesting to see the effects of the EU on eastern European countries : as soon as they joined the EU, a lot of their workforce just left and now are faced with problems such as depopulation. For example I live in Morocco and I guarantee you nobody would stay if borders were more open, that could be a valuable source of money but I'm wondering if it might produce even more inequalities in the long run because all the workforce and brains are abroad. That's really an interesting topic with still a lot to debate but your approach here is way too simplistic I think.
I agree with your point of inequality in the short run in the EU, however in the long run if managed well it can be very good. I am Irish and when we joined the EU we were one of its poorest states. However EU funding aims to help funnel funds to development of the poorer member countries, we are now one of its richest. A lot of people from eastern Europe have come here to work, which is a drain on their workforce, sure. Although many of those individuals I have talked to plan on working here only until they saved up enough money They then plan to move back home and buy a house/start a business with these savings. In the long run this inflow of capital, as well as the EU development grants, will help these countries to prosper.
I think slow expansion of the EU common market, ensuring each new state becomes integrated and developed before accepting another, will result in a collective good.
Open borders for your home then. Please take your door off its hinges and allow anyone to enter your home, otherwise you're a massive hypocrite.
@@tomwalsh96 It worked because those guys were poles. An algerlian can fit well in the united arab emirates, but it will be way harder in Poland. For the same reasons, an irish wouldn't fit in Pakistan
Nationalism is pride, Nationalism is civility, Nationalism is right. Language customs and borders should be the battlecry of conservatives everywhere.
@Zederok But what if a person don't like nationalism?
@@haydencase7886 Tough shit.
Open borders increases the likelyhood of an all powerful government, well intentioned of course.
Every time I watch an episode of Quartz, I always straight to the comment section.
WHY ISNT EVERYONE DOING IT?????? ITS CALLED BEING A PROUD NATIONIST!!!!!! IMPORT THE 3RD WORLD BECOME THE 3RD WORLD.
Literal makes no sense at all
2:37 But what if the Haitian worker inspires the other workers to adopt his way of working? What if he is less productive, less reliable and less efficient? Is that still better for America?
for a country that has one of the tightest border control and immigration control
Quartz says Singapore is an economic powerhouse with open borders, but then backtracks and says that those foreigners are temporary migrants, not immigrants, segregated in a lower caste away from the Singaporeans. You call this open borders, Quartz? Obviously that's dishonest, you are conflating different ideas.
I'm sure Singapore is brutal against those who brake their immigration laws. No open borders activist would accept a Singapore-style system in the USA. It's actually a more closed border. I bet you could even get white nationalists on board with the plan. Segregate low-skill migrants, don't allow them to assimilate or lay down roots, have them live in isolated dorms on the edge of cities, don't allow them to have children or marry citizens, deport anyone who breaks the law, and have all of them there on a temporary basis, expecting to leave eventually. How can you possibly call that "open borders" and suggest they allow unlimited immigration.
I do not trust this channel. The premise of this video is directly contradicted by the facts it presents.
Badly reseached propoganda. Student level of understanding. Constantly using the phrase 'economist's make the case for open borders is absolute nonsense. Usually economist's with qn agenda. Many totally agree. Particularly now data is in from mass migration into Europe. For example, data suggests that migration into Sweden has been spectacularly unsiccessful with under 5% of migrants being expected to find work within 10 years. That is the optimistic interpretation.
This video is super bias.
This is some capitalist swill
When more people come, more restaurants are needed, more teachers, more construction workers, more entertainment and more of everything. It means more jobs needed. Jobs happen only when there is a need
Ummm not exactly right. As stated above several times, many open border migrants live off the dole of the country. They are non-productive freeloaders supported by taxation of the those who do work. that means the only money they have to spend is better off in the hands of the people who actually earned it. Its a noble thought but clearly, not everyone who comes from a foreign land is industrious and hard working. Those who are and can demonstrate it, often get visas to immigrate by using the current immigration laws already in place.
'The idea that where you are from matters'
In the closing line you have entirely missed the idea of what culture is. Although it tends to differ across geography it is not rooted in geography, it is simply a shared set of values, ethics and ideals of a group of people. Countries like Singapore are prosperous because of how hard they have worked to cultivate a productive culture. Same goes for other productive countries like the us, Germany, Sweden etc. Allowing a tidal wave of immigrants with a differing culture, although good in ideals, disrupts the countries average culture hugely. It causes culture clash and builds tension as often these groups differ in opinion of critical points.
People forget that almost the entire world had open borders as recently as 100 years ago. Why should borders be open only for businesses and capital? Why not people? Do we value people less?
If “freedom” is touted as important and worth dying for, why are some so afraid of it in practice?
The nation state and ethnic identity will die with open borders
it creates even worse false sense of financial security.
Thanks Jewish man.
There are SOOOOOO many things wrong with this video. Let's start with the fact that this video makes assumptions as if humans are a homogenous being. We have different religions, beliefs, customs, cultures that often clash and throughout history has been the cause of multiple wars. On the economic aspect, we have limited resources. Open borders would cause nothing but certain places to be overpopulated and overwhelmed to the point that the prosperity in such areas would be diminished. Other places would be drained of people and will be left into desert cities, or this case entire regions/countries. Furthermore, open borders would disservice people in developing, low-income countries from making it better. Why work to fix the problems in a city/country when you can just move somewhere where those problems are not a thing?
"Who's going to clean your toilet donald trump"
The Haitian worker will also have higher living expenses in Miami so using the word Richer is pure ignorance. Maybe he will now be able to eat better and clothe himself but it will be a culture shock of how much more it cost to live in Miami than Haiti.
who pays for the welfare? who gets to vote? how do you document people? how do you stop criminals from entering? none of that matters.
I also agree to many of the comments here being Singapore has a very tough immigration policy. I witnessed many time where people are refuse of entry if their visit does not benefits the country.
To sum up ,Religion and cultural factors are the main reasons which makes the case against open borders^^.
why does the guy advocating for open borders sound like jewish
He is indeed. I wonder how he feels about open borders and free citizenship and welfare for people who are neither ethnically nor religiously jewish in Israel...
This has to be the most laughably ridiculous propaganda piece I’ve ever seen.
SO if open borders were to somehow be adopted by the entire world as a policy, what would stop the majority of the world from coalescing in the largest economic and urban zones and overcrowding every major developed and urban country?
The same thing that is stopping everyone in the USA to move to New York or LA,Pricing.
One word
Dont get decieved by this
i feel like no one finished watching the video and immediately started complaining about what she said.
And they're not wrong.
Do realize that by "immigrant", Singapore means people they can temporarily import to get work done. They don't let these people live there forever.
1:34 you forgot Ireland, Croatia , Bulgaria and Romania.
SO SO SO MUCH IGNORANCE. WORST VIDEO I HAVE WATCHED EVER.
"Before the 1920s - back then, the US let almost anyone in"
Ummm what about the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882?
Not a perfect example to be sure, but that massive US immigration wave did give historians and economists a lot of data about how migration can contribute to economy.
So simplistic. Is like a little kid telling histories about the world.
Open border = a giant mass of people moving to one side of the world. How do you solve this?
Dream is cheap, reality is more complicated and requires planning and solutions.
An immigrant is not a guest worker. Just a reminder.
So why is California so bad (sanctuary state), and why are a lot of its residents moving to texas?, and why are wages for construction going down?
America,new Zealand and Australia..where did their original inhabitants gone???
Americans don't like the kinds of social controls that Singapore applies, like using policy to racially integrate public housing.
Singapore doesn't have open borders so what is this all about
Singapore does not have open borders at all. If EU was so successful, then why do so many Europeans want their country to leave eu and be in charge of their own borders
It isn't exactly open. Singapore only takes in the most qualified and productive. Meritocracy.
Hell on earth
Wow - what a poor excuse for an excuse for "open borders."
This is a joke, right? There are people that actually believe this?
I'd go to Japan. They need young people to move in and help out. I'm an engineer and technician, but affording to move from America just isn't something I can do on my own. Anyone want a worker?
At 1:42 you have Ireland not being in the EU but the last time I checked they have been
Why is it people always bring up food as a reason to have open borders? Super stupid.
thats the difference between labour migration and welfare migration
Poor countries wouldn't have chance to develop. Most young people will stay in the rich country. Poor and elder still remain in their country. The benfit will remain in rich country and small people who worked oversea.
Yes and these young people will send back money to the people that couldn't move so everyone wins.
There is a mistake on the EU map you showed: Ireland is outlined as not part of the EU. Great Britain is leaving, not us!
Ha! Well said. We are sorry our map is wonky here.
There are 500 million Indians who'll gladly move to the USA, what will the gov do if they open the border?
Ireland is in the EU and the UK is not. Your map is wrong.
So many comments of people who didn't watch the whole video.
Cheap labor that's all they are
Why is Ireland not included in the eu diagrams?