Indeed he does How does someone win that many DPOY awards and not be in? Like how does the media get off for years to one player then just decide they don't wanna vote him in to the Hall?
Rasheed wallace was decent on that team 2. They just had a squad of very blue chip hard working players and all stars... Few all star appearances at that.
@Boondock Saint Those stats don't tell the whole story. And 9.5 boards a game is not an average rebounder. When cats talk about players who have intangibles beyond stats, they're talking about dudes like Big Ben.
Slime Peso why not? hes top 5 all time in defense that's first ballot that's the crazy thing if it was a offensive player People would have no problem but because its a defensive player People dismiss his greatness
Zenigundam Ben was a big guy in terms of muscle mass but I believe he was probably 6’7 bare foot and 6’8 with shoes. But if he is shorter then 6’7 that makes what he did more incredible
@@picassojulien899 Yeah but listed height is usually a bit exaggerated. I'd say he was 6'7-6'8 ish. But those shoulders and arms are just wack. Dwight Howard is listed at 6'10 but only 6'8-9 and Zion Williams is more like 6'5 ish too. KD was actually listed shorter than his real height cuz he didn't want to play PF/C.
Ben should be in the HoF -Undrafted -Shut down prime Shaq in 2004 to win his first ring -The only undrafted player to win DPOY in NBA history -The only undrafted player to win multiple DPOYs in NBA history -One of the few undrafted players to be a All-Star more than once -One of the few undrafted players to be All-NBA more than once -One of the few undrafted players to be All-Defensive more than once
No one can shut down Shaq. But the Pistons, led by Big Ben, shut down everyone else. No one in the lakers averaged more 39% field goals in that series except for Shaq. The 2004 Pistons was one of the greatest, if not the greatest defensive team in history.
@@Sam-ky3su didn't u watch series I'm a Lakers fan man just go back and watch hardwood classics game 4 Ben Wallace stop shaq like yes fg% was high for shaq but he was clearly uncomfortable the whole series Ben didn't shut him down but he did want kawhi did to lebron in 2014 made him but up 25 but with turnovers and not getting 34 point games
And stop trying to make yourself seem like a somewhat superior basketball fan, you’re not. I know Ben is one of the greatest players of all time and should be in the hall of fame. I’m just trying to point out that Shaq can’t really be shut down by one person.
Ben Wallace is 4x defense player of the year first team defense 5 times 1 time second team 4x all star 2x rebounding leader a block leader (nba champ) he is a hall of famer nba( ben wallace was super strong ) Ben vs Shaq is claasic
@@Wasupde You know the saying: "you can't stop him. Only hope to contain him." Ben contained Shaq and then some. His D was an integral part of that gentlemen' s sweep.
If grant hill is in the hall of fame then that is a serious problem dude had one or two good years in Detroit but not a hall of famer after leaving Detroit
People voted grant hill in because his injury derailed his career, people were thinking he was gonna to be an all time great. So the hall of fame thing was because of that, check the opinion of any of the players of that era, he is one of the biggest careers ruined by injury.
@@derekfishman9511 I agree he was supposed to be the next Jordan but at the end of the day he didn't live up because of injuries but injuries are apart of sports if hall of fame is about numbers an consistency he does not qualify realistically
@@johnwilliams269 I think the hall of fame is about players who brought attention and fame to the sport, by being part of winning teams or being figureheads for their franchises. No player thinks Grant Hill shouldn't be in the hall of fame lol giving players recognition is exactly what the Hall is for, and Grant Hill for sure deserves it. Dismissing him as one of the undeserving members is a huge joke opinion, sorry.
He didn't play for the Spurs, he sat and watched the Finals just like the rest of us and it doesn't matter what he scored in games that didn't matter. He never accomplished anything....unless losing in the first round for 5 different teams....in both conferences is an accomplishment.
The man was the heart and soul of that going to work pistons team. Undersized center who was a great athlete on top of having some of the most supreme instincts on the defensive side and rebounding. Very underrated as a rebounder, Led the league I think twice? But definitely a hall of famer. If you grew up watching him and understood basketball you would say he deserves it to
When Ben Wallace checked in, the whole other team would be on notice. He injected fear into opponents and they often would settle for mid range jumpers when they saw him in the paint. 0 centers were happy that their assignment for the night was Ben Wallace. This is a no question. Arguably the best defensive player of all time. He should be a clear lock. Just like Rodman was for rebounding
Ngl this kinda talk makes me think of Bill Russell, with the kind of stuff I heard about him while also being both one of the best rebounders and defenders ever.
I was lucky enough to be in Michigan watching this dude almost every game. His defensive stats were great but you can't quantify how he took over a game with defense. The only other player I can think of is Junior Seau - a football player. He would run the game like a quarter back as a line backer. That's how Ben was. He was insanely athletic and driven and good. I named my son after big Ben. True story ✌️
Ben Wallace made defence sexy and watchable when he was in the league. In a league where offence is king and defence is optional at times, he made it cool to play lock down defence, block shots and rip down boards. Blue collared and tough as they come. Should be a lock in the HOF.
CWebb was a beast, a career almost averaging 20 and 10. If Reggie Miller got in, then CWebb need to get in. Ben Wallace needs to be in the HOF just like Rodman, the guy went up against prime Kobe and Shaq and won, not many players can say that.
Ben Wallace should have been a hall of famer the first time around. Dude was 6'6 guarding guys like Shaq, Yao and KG , all hall of famers and he defended them better then anyone during one of the most physical eras of basketball. The heart and soul of an underdog championship team and most importantly he accomplished so much for a guy who was undrafted. Just think of how much that would mean to all these guys who get drafted late in the 2nd round or even undrafted to know that if they stick to it, find their niche and give 110% that they could possibly be in the hall of fame some day
@@codydickson8577 nah that's his listed weight which can be fudged for different reasons. Kemba Walker is listed as 6'1 but he admits that he's actually around 5'10, the reason being basketball is game that generally favors height and therefore the perception of teams looking to draft him would be that he might be too short to play. Kevin Garnet and Kevin Durant are on the opposite side of the fence, KDs height has actually shrunk over the years being listed originally at 6'10 and is now listed at 6'9 even tho most players agree he's at least 7 ft, his reason maybe similar to KGs. KG was listed at 6'11 but admits he's actually 7'1 and he made himself shorter to dissuade coaches from playing him at center which he thought wouldn't allow him to utilize his skill set the right way, KD is really skinny so maybe he lies about his height so he doesn't have match up against 7 ft tall 245 lbs PFs
Chauncey Billups is my all time favorite point guard💯. Him and Ben Wallace definitely deserve to be in the hall of fame. DETROIT STAND UP!!! LET'S GO PISTONS 🏀
Definitely a hall of Famer. Beast on the defensive end and high IQ on both sides of the court. 4 time defensive player of the year during an era where Shaq, Duncan,KG played is definitely hall worthy.
Ben Wallace should be a hall of famer NO DEBATE. Defensive players never gets the respect they deserve in the NBA unless they're 2-way players that could also drop 20+. Key example, media didn't care much for Kawhi (even after his 1st finals MVP) until he started doing big numbers on offense.
Ben Wallace was a Monster, Bro, just seeing that Guy in the Pistons Lineup made me Shiver cause I knew he would Dominate Someone or a Few Players in that Game.
Imagine a 4x MVP & NBA champion not being a HOF guys are eligible for supermax deals if they win a DPOY award or make a all-defensive team should have been 1st ballot
Ben Wallace was unpressidented (like spelling this word)or whatever. You didn't see two final appearances and defense trophies all star appearances. Everybody wearing afros. He was traded for Grant Hill. He was suppose to be expendable. An unknown variable. Look what he turned into a hero for underdogs, exciting for people who believed shocking to all the have-lots. Pooping there perfect bubble. Like katniss in the hunger games. No!! Pay attention to the guy you threw away. Your crumpled napkin you know is not used but you'll just get another.
@@razkable Cause Sheed left the dude nicknamed "Big Shot Bob" to double Manu, who wasn't a threat to hit that kinda dagger. SMH. I'll never be over it.
@@videoorgy Agreed! Had Rasheed Wallace did not left Robert Horry wide open, the Pistons might have won the series 4-2. The 2005 NBA Finals was really insane! Games 1-4 were blowout wins for respective home teams. Games 5 to 7 can go the other way around. Definitely one of my most favorite NBA Finals Series! -Laker fan here
@@reymiguelperez6643 lol. Yes indeed. I'm still sick about it, but it was a great series. Probably the best til Heat-Spurs in '13'. I guess Lakers-Celtics in '10' was pretty epic too. In recent memory, of course.
Ben was a beast! 6'9 of pure force. He could defend the most dominating center in the modern NBA(shaq). HOF honors. Unfortunately big men that play great defense dont get love as much as other players.
He's absolutely a Hall of Famer he guarded 1 thru 5 at times led the league in rebounding blocks several times defensive player of the year 4 times NBA champion multiple all-star selection was the heart and soul of the Pistons. He never backed down from nobody. We love this guy in Detroit still to this day. Fear the Fro.
His lack of offensive output hurts him but as someone who watched the nba religiously during the mid 2000s, he was easily the best defensive player in the game year in year out. Dennis Rodman level defender.
He's the best defender of all time, a multiple time all star and defensive poy, and is an NBA champ. Why is it even a question of he should be in or not? I get he wasnt a big scorer at all, but he did on defense what no one else could
Ben Wallace was a true lunch pale guy. He brought maximum heart & relentless effort. He didn't care about being a superstar diva he just worked. BW HOF for sure
You can see the experience and maturity of Scottie to nominate Ben regards to HoF. But we need to add that Ben was had win a championship and was in the Final more than on time. Also has achieve more rebound, steal and block st the same time in more time than any other player. All this beside been drafting so low the draft scale.
I agree that Ben Wallace should be in the Hall of Fame. Watched those games live. That Pistons team doesn't have that run, those finals appearances, and that championship without him.
Was LeBron involved with Ben Wallace not being there, like did he kneecap him or something??? The Pistons still had Rip, Chauncey, Tayshaun and Rasheed.
People say guys like Melo are 1st ballot HOF’ers and he’s never won anything, AD is projected to be HOF’er and he hasn’t won anything. Ben put in the work, had some great years, won MULTIPLE DPOY awards, All-Star, and an NBA champion. The fact that he’s not is insane. Man played over 1000 NBA games, recited over 2100 blocks, over 10,000 rebounds, over 6000 points. He wasn’t a scrub man. This dude was dominant in his day. Yes it was short, but even if was, it’s better than half the players in the league today
Mutombo did play in 2 Finals, and the circumstances were completely different. Also, Mutombo had more offensive game than Ben Wallace, as he was a consistent double double machine throughout his prime, and averaged more blocks than Wallace.
The injustice and disrespect towards Ben Wallace is unreal. Props to Rachel for doing this, because a lot have ignored this topic. To me he is one of the top 3 greatest defensive players that I have ever seen, and I have been watching NBA since 1991. Some of Ben Wallace NBA records, achievements and milestones: -Only player in NBA history to record 1,000 rebounds, 100 blocks, and 100 steals in 4 consecutive seasons (2001-04). -One of three players in NBA history to record 150 blocks and 100 steals in 7 consecutive seasons (2001-07) (along with Hakeem Olajuwon and David Robinson). -One of five players in NBA history to lead the NBA in rebounding and blocking averages in the same season (along with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Walton, Hakeem Olajuwon, and Dwight Howard). -One of three players in NBA history to average 15 rebounds and 3 blocks per game over a season (along with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Bob McAdoo). -Only undrafted player in NBA history to be voted a starter for the NBA All-Star Game. -One of two players in NBA history to receive NBA Defensive Player of the Year Award 4 times (along with Dikembe Mutombo). Thats only the records, achievements and milestones. Not mentioning his awards, honors and team franchise records he made. Definitely one of the most underrated players of all time, and a lot of fun to watch specially when he dominated everybody in the paint, including Shaq.
Ben Wallace should be in HOF purely based on his defense
If tmac in wallace should be in
You mean roids. Lol jk. SOB was ripped though
Indeed he does
How does someone win that many DPOY awards and not be in?
Like how does the media get off for years to one player then just decide they don't wanna vote him in to the Hall?
No Not only lls.
The whole stating five of the pistons then should be bc they got a ring plus They all did they thing in their careers
Ben Wallace wore headbands on his biceps... Instant HOF!
Hahaha! Heck yeah bro!
If Shawn Marion has a chance to make the HOF (as a die hard suns fan) then Ben Wallace no doubt should have that chance as well!!!! BEN is a HOF 🏀
LOL
The fact that cwebb isnt in yet is stupppiiiddd🤦🏻♂️
nicee
If you actually saw Ben Wallace play, you know how good he was.
The shaq stopper
ben put up 3-4 blks and 15 rebs a night while scoring 9-10 ppg..put him in...
@@razkable yeah all dunks was what all he was good for.
Big factzz
Rasheed wallace was decent on that team 2. They just had a squad of very blue chip hard working players and all stars... Few all star appearances at that.
Ben Wallace has more steals and blocks than he has turnovers and fouls that’s nuts
He didnt touch the ball enough on offence for turnovers but I'll give you the rest
Dywane Carter exactly!
Timothy Moreno he is not a hall of famer. Not even close.
@Dywane Carter LMAOOO there are so many players that couldn't carry a franchise in the HoF.
your arguments are dogshit.
TEXAS is bigger than france They don’t know basketball at all 😂
100%. I’m a Lakers fan and can admit that he’s one of the best defenders ever.
Myles 💯
@Peter S. Shaq played well 😂😂😂😂😂 Kobe was brickin
@Peter S. He averaged 27 on 63% shooting bro. Kobe shot 38% and 17% from 3.
@Peter S. 4-1 they asses
Paco Morris everybody knows if Kobe and Shaq weren’t beefing they would’ve would’ve won that series
The NBA can’t Preach Defense then don’t reward one of the greatest defenders ever.. 🔐
rip ben and c webb are hall of famers...their olympic careers should matter ..put them in..
Sensei Hustle exactly
Asmosis Jones there hall of famers even without the Olympics
@Boondock Saint Those stats don't tell the whole story. And 9.5 boards a game is not an average rebounder. When cats talk about players who have intangibles beyond stats, they're talking about dudes like Big Ben.
@Boondock Saint Average rebounder? What
I'm from Detroit and i seen Ben put in work...He is a Hall of Famer!
@Slime Peso This like his 2nd or 3rd time on the ballot... His career is very comparable to Mutombo
Slime Peso why not? hes top 5 all time in defense that's first ballot that's the crazy thing if it was a offensive player People would have no problem but because its a defensive player People dismiss his greatness
Ben Wallace was the epitome of a hard worker. I met the guy in person and he's really not that tall.
U must be 6’5 plus to say that. Wallace listed at 6’9
@@picassojulien899 na man i was like 12 yo, he looked 6'5 or 6'6 i swear
Zenigundam Ben was a big guy in terms of muscle mass but I believe he was probably 6’7 bare foot and 6’8 with shoes. But if he is shorter then 6’7 that makes what he did more incredible
Shawn Guron I would say he’s probably 6’7 he’s still 8 inches taller then the average american man
@@picassojulien899 Yeah but listed height is usually a bit exaggerated. I'd say he was 6'7-6'8 ish. But those shoulders and arms are just wack. Dwight Howard is listed at 6'10 but only 6'8-9 and Zion Williams is more like 6'5 ish too. KD was actually listed shorter than his real height cuz he didn't want to play PF/C.
Ben should be in the HoF
-Undrafted
-Shut down prime Shaq in 2004 to win his first ring
-The only undrafted player to win DPOY in NBA history
-The only undrafted player to win multiple DPOYs in NBA history
-One of the few undrafted players to be a All-Star more than once
-One of the few undrafted players to be All-NBA more than once
-One of the few undrafted players to be All-Defensive more than once
No one can shut down Shaq. But the Pistons, led by Big Ben, shut down everyone else. No one in the lakers averaged more 39% field goals in that series except for Shaq. The 2004 Pistons was one of the greatest, if not the greatest defensive team in history.
@@Sam-ky3su didn't u watch series I'm a Lakers fan man just go back and watch hardwood classics game 4 Ben Wallace stop shaq like yes fg% was high for shaq but he was clearly uncomfortable the whole series Ben didn't shut him down but he did want kawhi did to lebron in 2014 made him but up 25 but with turnovers and not getting 34 point games
Tao Wow, yes I did watch the series. The Pistons did limit his dominance in the series but I don’t consider that a shut down.
And stop trying to make yourself seem like a somewhat superior basketball fan, you’re not. I know Ben is one of the greatest players of all time and should be in the hall of fame. I’m just trying to point out that Shaq can’t really be shut down by one person.
@@Sam-ky3su "stop trying to make yourself seem like a somewhat superior basketball fan, you’re not"
LMAO stfu kid.
Ben Wallace is 4x defense player of the year first team defense 5 times 1 time second team 4x all star 2x rebounding leader a block leader (nba champ) he is a hall of famer nba( ben wallace was super strong ) Ben vs Shaq is claasic
Takable Pond1339 how is that classic. shaq averaged 25 plus ppg against him in finals
@@Wasupde watching shaq put up points and watching 4 time defense player of the year Ben Wallace trying to defend him beautiful basketball
@@Wasupde You know the saying: "you can't stop him. Only hope to contain him." Ben contained Shaq and then some. His D was an integral part of that gentlemen' s sweep.
Ben Wallace was also on the cover of 2K add that to the resume lol
Only player undrafted and undersized to ever block Shaquille O'Neal instant HOF❤
If Grant Hill is in then Ben Wallace should be in.
If grant hill is in the hall of fame then that is a serious problem dude had one or two good years in Detroit but not a hall of famer after leaving Detroit
Grant Hill had an amazing career at Duke
People voted grant hill in because his injury derailed his career, people were thinking he was gonna to be an all time great. So the hall of fame thing was because of that, check the opinion of any of the players of that era, he is one of the biggest careers ruined by injury.
@@derekfishman9511 I agree he was supposed to be the next Jordan but at the end of the day he didn't live up because of injuries but injuries are apart of sports if hall of fame is about numbers an consistency he does not qualify realistically
@@johnwilliams269 I think the hall of fame is about players who brought attention and fame to the sport, by being part of winning teams or being figureheads for their franchises. No player thinks Grant Hill shouldn't be in the hall of fame lol giving players recognition is exactly what the Hall is for, and Grant Hill for sure deserves it. Dismissing him as one of the undeserving members is a huge joke opinion, sorry.
McGrady, who never got out of the first round and never won anything, is in the HOF but 4 time DPOY and NBA champion, Ben Wallace isn't? SHAME.
McGrady got out the first round in 2013....he made the finals..also I think scoring 31 ppg and over 25 like 5-6 times matters
@@razkable he didnt even play single minutes in 2013 with the Spurs.
He didn't play for the Spurs, he sat and watched the Finals just like the rest of us and it doesn't matter what he scored in games that didn't matter. He never accomplished anything....unless losing in the first round for 5 different teams....in both conferences is an accomplishment.
Still on of the best scorers in nba history
He a x3 scoring champ
I make this dude every year on 2k
Nehemiah Howard Lol Clamp city I swear
You dont have to hes on the game
Bruh he’s in the game already 🤷🏽♂️
He’s talking about career mode 🤦🏿♂️
Glass-Cleaning Lockdown 😈
The man was the heart and soul of that going to work pistons team. Undersized center who was a great athlete on top of having some of the most supreme instincts on the defensive side and rebounding. Very underrated as a rebounder, Led the league I think twice? But definitely a hall of famer. If you grew up watching him and understood basketball you would say he deserves it to
When Ben Wallace checked in, the whole other team would be on notice. He injected fear into opponents and they often would settle for mid range jumpers when they saw him in the paint. 0 centers were happy that their assignment for the night was Ben Wallace. This is a no question. Arguably the best defensive player of all time. He should be a clear lock. Just like Rodman was for rebounding
Big facts
Ngl this kinda talk makes me think of Bill Russell, with the kind of stuff I heard about him while also being both one of the best rebounders and defenders ever.
I was lucky enough to be in Michigan watching this dude almost every game. His defensive stats were great but you can't quantify how he took over a game with defense. The only other player I can think of is Junior Seau - a football player. He would run the game like a quarter back as a line backer. That's how Ben was. He was insanely athletic and driven and good. I named my son after big Ben. True story ✌️
Ben Wallace made defence sexy and watchable when he was in the league. In a league where offence is king and defence is optional at times, he made it cool to play lock down defence, block shots and rip down boards. Blue collared and tough as they come. Should be a lock in the HOF.
CWebb was a beast, a career almost averaging 20 and 10. If Reggie Miller got in, then CWebb need to get in. Ben Wallace needs to be in the HOF just like Rodman, the guy went up against prime Kobe and Shaq and won, not many players can say that.
Maryland Terps Reggie Miller retired as the best 3pt shooter ever tho
Cwebb a hall of famer???? I love c Webb but no
C Webb is definitely HoF'er. Especially when factoring in his career at Michigan.
@@johnwilliams269 CWebb averaged 20 and 10 and was a *great* passer, he belongs in the Hall. Plus he was an iconic college player.
Ben Wallace should have been a hall of famer the first time around. Dude was 6'6 guarding guys like Shaq, Yao and KG , all hall of famers and he defended them better then anyone during one of the most physical eras of basketball. The heart and soul of an underdog championship team and most importantly he accomplished so much for a guy who was undrafted. Just think of how much that would mean to all these guys who get drafted late in the 2nd round or even undrafted to know that if they stick to it, find their niche and give 110% that they could possibly be in the hall of fame some day
He's 6'9
@@codydickson8577 nah that's his listed weight which can be fudged for different reasons. Kemba Walker is listed as 6'1 but he admits that he's actually around 5'10, the reason being basketball is game that generally favors height and therefore the perception of teams looking to draft him would be that he might be too short to play. Kevin Garnet and Kevin Durant are on the opposite side of the fence, KDs height has actually shrunk over the years being listed originally at 6'10 and is now listed at 6'9 even tho most players agree he's at least 7 ft, his reason maybe similar to KGs. KG was listed at 6'11 but admits he's actually 7'1 and he made himself shorter to dissuade coaches from playing him at center which he thought wouldn't allow him to utilize his skill set the right way, KD is really skinny so maybe he lies about his height so he doesn't have match up against 7 ft tall 245 lbs PFs
The old Detroid Pistons were so great back in 2004 when they won the 3rd championship for the team, even Chauncey, Rip and Ben were 🔥🔥🔥🐐💯
Chauncey Billups is my all time favorite point guard💯. Him and Ben Wallace definitely deserve to be in the hall of fame. DETROIT STAND UP!!! LET'S GO PISTONS 🏀
DETROIT BASKETBALL 💯
Definitely a hall of Famer. Beast on the defensive end and high IQ on both sides of the court. 4 time defensive player of the year during an era where Shaq, Duncan,KG played is definitely hall worthy.
I FIND THIS DISRESPECTFUL TO EVEN BE A CONVERSATION
Cant believe they have to make a case for Ben.... That's automatic man!
Ben Wallace should be a hall of famer NO DEBATE. Defensive players never gets the respect they deserve in the NBA unless they're 2-way players that could also drop 20+. Key example, media didn't care much for Kawhi (even after his 1st finals MVP) until he started doing big numbers on offense.
UnLoaded Lux exactly Beloved
UnLoaded Lux look at how it took Dennis Rodman and dude has 5 rings
@@picassojulien899 my point exactly bro
UnLoaded Lux it’s sad because him and Chauncey deserve to be in the hall!
Ben Wallace was a Monster, Bro, just seeing that Guy in the Pistons Lineup made me Shiver cause I knew he would Dominate Someone or a Few Players in that Game.
Imagine a 4x MVP & NBA champion not being a HOF guys are eligible for supermax deals if they win a DPOY award or make a all-defensive team should have been 1st ballot
Ben Wallace is a Hall Of Famer, no question about it. He's the best player on that list too!💯
Honestly Ben Wallace deserves to be in the hall of fame. The career he had with pistons was remarkable especially on defense.
true but it was a 6 year prime...thats it... 1998 nothing 1999 nothing post 2007 nothing...he was a 7 year player basically
@@razkable 4 DPOYs should be enough for the Hall of Fame
And dont forget. Ben Wallace was doing this as 6'8"/6'9" CENTER.
Bananas
BIG BEN IS FINALLY IN THE HOF!!! One of my favorite pistons growing up. FEAR THE FRO BABY!!!!!
Ben Wallace. No brainer. Absolutely
Ben Wallace is a Hall of Famer...
Why is this even a question?? 🤷🏿♂️
Ben Wallace was unpressidented (like spelling this word)or whatever. You didn't see two final appearances and defense trophies all star appearances. Everybody wearing afros. He was traded for Grant Hill. He was suppose to be expendable. An unknown variable. Look what he turned into a hero for underdogs, exciting for people who believed shocking to all the have-lots. Pooping there perfect bubble. Like katniss in the hunger games. No!! Pay attention to the guy you threw away. Your crumpled napkin you know is not used but you'll just get another.
The fact that Ben is still out of the HOF is an absolute tragedy.
Kendrick Perkins is surprisingly an excellent analyst
@Davey J So did ryan hollins so...
This shouldn’t even be a question.
Big Ben most definitely deserves to be in the HOF. I hope Shaq helps him campaigning for him, he has to admit Ben, and Davis held him down that series
It’s not just about scoring points! No one shut down everyone like Big Ben! Vote Ben Wallace into the HOF, hardest working player!
That block that Ben Wallace made on shaq when he was in Miami was nuts. He definitely deserves to be in the hall of fame
Congrats Ben. Definitely deserves to be a HoF, 2021 class looks great
Ben Wallace was a huge factor in Pistons championship. Those reverse dunks were insane...
they were a shot away from back to back titles..the nba is stupid sometimes...
@@razkable Cause Sheed left the dude nicknamed "Big Shot Bob" to double Manu, who wasn't a threat to hit that kinda dagger. SMH. I'll never be over it.
@@videoorgy Agreed! Had Rasheed Wallace did not left Robert Horry wide open, the Pistons might have won the series 4-2. The 2005 NBA Finals was really insane! Games 1-4 were blowout wins for respective home teams. Games 5 to 7 can go the other way around. Definitely one of my most favorite NBA Finals Series! -Laker fan here
@@reymiguelperez6643 lol. Yes indeed. I'm still sick about it, but it was a great series. Probably the best til Heat-Spurs in '13'. I guess Lakers-Celtics in '10' was pretty epic too. In recent memory, of course.
@@videoorgy as a Spurs fan, I remember being confused as to why Wallace thought that was a good idea. Pistons were an amazing team in the 2000s tho
Should be in already...Ben & Webber
Ben was a beast! 6'9 of pure force. He could defend the most dominating center in the modern NBA(shaq). HOF honors. Unfortunately big men that play great defense dont get love as much as other players.
A lot of people gonna see this in their recommended now. Congrats Big Ben and CWebb.
Disrespectful af that Ben wasn’t put into the HOF last time.
its weird to see ben rip c webb not in.....mark Bbllups and tim are closer calls for sure
*Chris webber is EXTREMELY UNDERRATED*
Ben was arguably the best defender of all time in the 2000s and played a big part on that pistons squad
Best Defender of all time and he was UNDRAFTED
Hakeem is the best defender ever
cmoneyno5 Hakeem doesn’t even like you
@@erics8524 Actually... yes he does
Ben Wallace deserves a spot imo
When Shawn Kemp gonna get his respect?? How is he not mentioned? Beast in his prime. MJ even said he was the toughest to guard in 96'
I highly agree with you on that one 💯
I still got nba 2k5 on ps2 with Ben Wallace on the cover 💯
That was my first 2k lol
Classic!
How is he not in already!!! Y we even having this discussion. Dude should be in now
He's absolutely a Hall of Famer he guarded 1 thru 5 at times led the league in rebounding blocks several times defensive player of the year 4 times NBA champion multiple all-star selection was the heart and soul of the Pistons. He never backed down from nobody. We love this guy in Detroit still to this day. Fear the Fro.
Ben Wallace is hands down my favorite Center of ALL TIME😎....
How is this even a discussion?? Of course ben wallace should be in the baskeball hof
@Leland Joseph unless your name is Chris webber
Lol, no.
1/2 savage There was some college scandal that disqualified Webber
@@Heart_ken01 This is why the NBA needs their own HOF.
His lack of offensive output hurts him but as someone who watched the nba religiously during the mid 2000s, he was easily the best defensive player in the game year in year out. Dennis Rodman level defender.
His block on Shaq was epic
Plus the team defense was insane when Ben was on the court. Held teams to low scores. Just a great defender and someone you can learn from .
Ben was undrafted and won a championship and 4x DPOY
I feel like Perk is the only one who's ever publicly said that about Ben Wallace and Shaq, even though a lot of people were thinking it.
Bruh Ben Wallace is and needs to be a HOF...his defense alone makes him a sure fire hof er
Ben Wallace was undersized and underappreciated, i watched that Dtown/LA series live. Bought his jersey off the strength
ben wallace should of been first ballot 4 time DPOY
He's the best defender of all time, a multiple time all star and defensive poy, and is an NBA champ. Why is it even a question of he should be in or not? I get he wasnt a big scorer at all, but he did on defense what no one else could
Whoever says Ben Wallace isn’t a hall of famer knows absolutely nothing about the game of basketball
Big Ben was scary af. Best defender I've ever seen. Apart from Bill Russell highlights, there is no other dude that comes second to Big Ben.
One of my favorite players ever hands down
Ben Wallace was a true lunch pale guy. He brought maximum heart & relentless effort. He didn't care about being a superstar diva he just worked. BW HOF for sure
Ben is a hall of fame but let's make sure Chris gets in there... Enough with the politics
zach's great. i love his articles as well he's sharp and witty. great on the show because he doesn't impose himself on the conversation
Rasheed Wallace should be a hall of famer
Kendrick Perkins is a far better analyst than I would have ever imagined back when he played. I really like this guy.
Tracy Mcgrady is a HOF so Ben Wallace should be also big time.
Ben Wallace just confirmed into the 2021 Hall of Fame class 🙌🏽
Ben Wallace should be a hall of Famer .
Tim Hardaway, Chris Webber, and Ben Wallace would be my next three picks.
Now it's about to happen! Congratulations 🎉👋👋👋👋👋
What case needs to be made. He's an NBA champion and 4 time defensive player of the year. This is a no brainer.
Ben Wallace was once my favorite player in the league.. He was a beast on defense
He absolutely is a HOf player
“It’s at 55 and my A/C unit is broken.” 😂😂😂😂
I feel like the Malice at the Palace to this day has alot to do with Ben Wallace not being in the HOF..
My man. Intangibles as well as very tangible defense
You can see the experience and maturity of Scottie to nominate Ben regards to HoF. But we need to add that Ben was had win a championship and was in the Final more than on time. Also has achieve more rebound, steal and block st the same time in more time than any other player. All this beside been drafting so low the draft scale.
Ben was one of the realest players to ever challenge Ron artest
Artest didn't want that smoke!
Shaq is about to tweet: He didnt stop me
Big Ben had ninjas fighting the fans cause they couldn't do nothing with him
Ron wanted no smoke
LOL
@ the shadow do u blame him
Preach
big ben shut things down, made amazing plays every game in his prime
How tf is he still not in the HOF
all those guys in the ballot deserves to be in the Hall of Fame easily.
Mark Jackson better not get in the HOF before Hardaway
Lol
Chauncey, Wallace, and Hamilton on that list wow
Got this in my recommendations after Ben Wallace got in
I agree that Ben Wallace should be in the Hall of Fame. Watched those games live. That Pistons team doesn't have that run, those finals appearances, and that championship without him.
LeFraud gets credit for beating a Pistons team without Ben Wallace in 2007.
Was LeBron involved with Ben Wallace not being there, like did he kneecap him or something??? The Pistons still had Rip, Chauncey, Tayshaun and Rasheed.
Ben Wallace is in the conversation of GDOAT. Greatest Defensive Player of All Time.
Scottie they're going to kill me, LOL 🤣
People say guys like Melo are 1st ballot HOF’ers and he’s never won anything, AD is projected to be HOF’er and he hasn’t won anything.
Ben put in the work, had some great years, won MULTIPLE DPOY awards, All-Star, and an NBA champion. The fact that he’s not is insane. Man played over 1000 NBA games, recited over 2100 blocks, over 10,000 rebounds, over 6000 points. He wasn’t a scrub man. This dude was dominant in his day. Yes it was short, but even if was, it’s better than half the players in the league today
If Mutumbo is in Wallace is a lock. Mutombo never even won a chip. Wallace has more accolades
Mutombo did play in 2 Finals, and the circumstances were completely different. Also, Mutombo had more offensive game than Ben Wallace, as he was a consistent double double machine throughout his prime, and averaged more blocks than Wallace.
The injustice and disrespect towards Ben Wallace is unreal. Props to Rachel for doing this, because a lot have ignored this topic. To me he is one of the top 3 greatest defensive players that I have ever seen, and I have been watching NBA since 1991. Some of Ben Wallace NBA records, achievements and milestones:
-Only player in NBA history to record 1,000 rebounds, 100 blocks, and 100 steals in 4 consecutive seasons (2001-04).
-One of three players in NBA history to record 150 blocks and 100 steals in 7 consecutive seasons (2001-07) (along with Hakeem Olajuwon and David Robinson).
-One of five players in NBA history to lead the NBA in rebounding and blocking averages in the same season (along with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Walton, Hakeem Olajuwon, and Dwight Howard).
-One of three players in NBA history to average 15 rebounds and 3 blocks per game over a season (along with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Bob McAdoo).
-Only undrafted player in NBA history to be voted a starter for the NBA All-Star Game.
-One of two players in NBA history to receive NBA Defensive Player of the Year Award 4 times (along with Dikembe Mutombo).
Thats only the records, achievements and milestones. Not mentioning his awards, honors and team franchise records he made. Definitely one of the most underrated players of all time, and a lot of fun to watch specially when he dominated everybody in the paint, including Shaq.