Celtic Christianity - Hieromonk Chrysostom
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- Опубликовано: 11 мар 2021
- In this episode, Hieromonk Chrysostom discusses what is sometimes referred to as Celtic Christianity, the earliest Christianity in the British Isles, and its relationship to Eastern Orthodoxy and monasticism.
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This is the second episode from my interview with Orthodox priest monk and scholar, Hieromonk Chrysostom of Koutloumousiou Monastery on Mount Athos.
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Looking forward to this! I'm Irish and edging toward Orthodoxy.
@@elijahyoung11 Yeah there aren't that many churches here. Not sure if any monasteries. Thankfully I'm in Dublin so didn't have to travel far for a GOC. They speak Greek predominantly so that's the only barrier but they're very welcoming. I went for several weeks, then ran away again and now I'm heading back.
@@elijahyoung11 Very good. Well I'm a ways from Belmullet but it's a beautuful part of the country.
@@colmwhateveryoulike3240 I did this same thing in the beginning, and i didn't even have a language barrier to deal with. Persevere, Good God will lead you.
@@bsdnfraje Thank you. I am more and more reassured the more I go. God bless.
@@colmwhateveryoulike3240 Orthodoxy First did an interview with a Western Rite parish in America and he said they baptized 26 people the other week, and another 20 this week, God is calling more and more people every day to His Church, many people in my own life as well, Glory to God
In the year 874 til 900 many settlers travelled from Ireland and Scotland to Iceland and brought with them Celtic christianity. It is documented in our legendary Icelandic sagas.
True.
With great respect most were probably taken as slaves and did not want to travel anywhere, ( all nations were involved in slave raiding then), but God moves in mysterious ways and maybe great good came out of it. I would like to know the history of your people at this time.
@@noeldoyle4501 Not true. Those who moved to Iceland was due to the Viking invasion of Ireland
@@yannaras419 I thought Vikings had a colony in Iceland and that they had brought their foreign wives and slaves with them to the colony, I don't know much about Northern European history. Best wishes and congrats to your people for taking ownership of your own economy, the rest of the world should learn from you.
I believe Icelanders have Irish DNA. Do you think your people resemble the Irish?
With a name like McPherson, I'm quite the Celt. I've also been fully converted to Orthodox Christianity since October of last year.
Welcome home!
Mac Phearsain, aye, a Scottish name. It means son of the priest!
I commented on this video some time back, but forgot to mention, my grandfather, born in Lettermackward, Donegal, was from the same tribe and kin as Saint Columba (UI O'Neil) and the Saint was born on our ancestral clan land. That might explain my early attraction to Orthodoxy and the Desert Fathers , despite my nominally Catholic heritage. Hieromonk Chrysostom made a sweet point about the 'poetry' in both traditions. Thanks.
I found this very interesting because of my Irish background and living away from Ireland, was very drawn to the Greek Orthodox Church where I entered the faith as an adult. This video has solved many questions for me because I was thinking I must have Greek ancestry to have such a strong call to the Greek Orth Church. I am very appreciative to learn of this information! Thankyou!! God bless.....
Thanks to God...yes, there are many connections...have a blessed and fruitful Lent!
No need for a Greek ancestry dear friend! The Orthodox Church is universal and open to many nationalities!
I am neither Irish nor Greek, but I also feel the strong pull and also connection of both in orthodoxy
I agree
Lord Jesus Christ have on our Orthodox brothers everywhere. ☦☦☦
This was a pleasant video. Thank you for all you do, Dr Middleton.
Thanks to God...have a blessed and fruitful Lent!
I'm going to look for the book mentioned at the end.....tks & God bless!
Very interesting, I've been trying to find sources on Insular Christianity, as I'm native Irish and grew up Roman Catholic, then was evangelical/reformed for a while. But I never felt at home. God bless you.
I am very excited & feel a pull verging on a conviction to Western forms of Orthodoxy like the Western Rite, Celtic Orthodoxy, British Orthodoxy, etc, we need a truly Western Orthodox Church to arise is America...we need the American Orthodox Church (yes, I realize there are Greek & Russian versions of this already, but I mean something more substantial, more American, more Western, a true national faith to honor).
Scotland is a "highland cathedral" declaring God's majestic Glory and a Scotsman is an Irishman that can swim! We need so much more homegrown indiginous Orthodoxy in these Isles disaffected by protestant- catholic sectarianism and secularist hedonism. An orthodox parish and even a monastery within reach of every Scottish and Irish person with liturgies in English, Gaelic and Latin (why not?)! Would be great! Celebrating our forefathers and renewing Christianity silently but openly and visibly.
Yes indeed! In case you're interested...I'm currently writing songs for the Saints of Ireland: www.youtube.com/@NewHagiography
I'm ACNA and I'm trying to learn more about Celtic Christianity and the history of the English Church.
Спасибо
Kernish ancestry but born in England love the ancient orthodox church.
No mention of St Patrick who brought Christianity to Ireland from Wales or St David, consecrated Archbishop of Menevia by (Greek) Patriarch John the third of Jerusalem . Strange
Well...one can only fit so much into a relatively short response(!)
@@ProtectingVeil I know. But I would suggest a video on the early British Church which has Apostolic foundation - St Aristobulos the Brother of St Barnabas and those who came after him. I think that the majority of people who call themselves Christian in Great Britain have no real idea about the foundation and more importantly the continuity through to St Patrick, St David and the other British Saints.
@@ProtectingVeil I’m so sorry I didn’t mean to sound so critical. Forgive me. I’d love to see more and more about the early Orthodox Saints of Western Europe as a reminder of how united the church was and how Orthodoxy isn’t a foreign faith to westerners - but a forgotten faith that such hagiographies can bring into remembrance. Keep up all your good work - may it be blessed by our Triune God
Christianity was allready in Ireland before St. Patrick. That's actually a fact.
Interesting to read since it is heavily likely my ancestors came from Northernwest/North England…and some from Scotland
A return to Orthodoxy for the entire British Isles would be the key to uniting all of its peoples. As an American, I consider the British Isles, particularly England, to be our Mother Country; the Loyalists of the Revolution also referred to it as such. The historic rifts between Protestant and Catholic, the scourge of Europe, would be healed, and it would give hope to those disillusioned souls in our generation who have flocked to secularism and neo-paganism as the standard alternative. There are already so many precious holy sites all over the British Isles, as well as many monasteries that be can be revived.
St. Patrick, Enlightener of Ireland, pray for us!
St. Richard of Wessex, pray for us!
Our Lady of Walsingham, pray for us!
No dead can pray for us
All dead are in the grave, awaiting the resurrection.
Orthodoxy is infected with the same superstitions as papacy.
@@geordiewishart1683 Protestantism is heresy and prelest.
Only an ignorant Protestant would say something as vapid and as theologically illiterate as “orthodoxy is the same thing as Roman Catholicism”.
There is only one church. Period, end of report, next case. The biblical canon is not a self-interpreting compendium. It was never meant to be. You want to talk about spiritual “infections”? Try Protestantism. Any average Joe attempting to translate what he THINKS the Bible is saying is exactly how you end up with all the various thousands of heretical sects that you prots have. And the proof of this is evident in the fact that every single protestant sect argues amongst each other; heretics accusing other heretics of heresy.
If you don’t know anything about the writings of the early church fathers, then you don’t know anything about Christianity. PERIOD. And don’t waste my time with your goofy, heretical interpretation of Matthew 23:9 because that is not what that even means. Jesus also tells us not to call another man “teacher”, and yet we still call our instructors in school this title. You Protestants don’t have the correct interpretations of Holy Scripture because you are heretics and like the ignorant heretics that you all are, you carelessly threw away all the teachings of the church fathers; these are the holy men who pieced together the books of the biblical canon.
Or do you think the Bible just fell out of the sky? Where do you think the first Bible came from?
I like how you put certain words within quotation marks, as though to quote me verbatim. Er...if you look again, you will see that is not what I said.
I rather suspect that is how you interpret your religion.
Heresy. Oh please. Catch yourself on.
I am very well aware of the Church Fathers.
Not sure why they are held up as though inspired.
They often contradict each other.
So you are now claim the honour of producing the bible.
Are you a papist in disguise?
They make the same nonsensical claim.
I don't read too much in scripture of men in frocks marching behind a clout of incense, kissing icons
Ireland is not part of the British Isles and foreign diplomats are advised accordingly by the Irish government. The term ‘British Isles’ is a political one which first came into use in the English language in the 16th century when Ireland had been completely colonised. It is considered deeply offensive in many parts of Ireland given its associated history.
Today Ireland and the UK have a relatively cordial relationship but this was not the case in the past from the time that Britain _INVADED_ Ireland and through the following hundreds of years of violent suppression of Irish culture, language and religion. Priests were executed if caught and the punishment for being a bishop was gruesome. Archbishop Oliver Plunkett was partially hanged, disembowelled while still alive, and beheaded with the rest of his body being chopped up into four quarters and stuck on spikes.
Ah, the good ol’ days … thank God they’re over!!
At the time of Ireland’s three patron saints (Saint Patrick, Saint Brigid and Saint Colmcille), Ireland only had a natural affinity with Scotland (and still does to this day) because both countries are Celtic with closely related languages. There was no natural connection with the Anglo-Saxons in England. The Romans who later settled there never crossed over to Ireland (too cold apparently and it was right in the middle of the Great Woolly Underwear Shortage that so blighted the Roman Empire during Hadrian’s reign). St Patrick had to be hauled over as a slave.
If you wished for peace and unity among all the peoples of Europe I’m with you there but I’m mystified as to why you particularly want to see an artificial unity between two peoples who, historically, were never natural bedfellows in the first place… and that’s without stepping into all the political poo surrounding such a notion. But, hey, thanks for thinking of us. 😂🤣😂👍🇮🇪
If both apostolic churches agree then it’s true , Protestant sects are irrelevant and false
Someone once suggested that I embrace the religion of my Celtic ancestors…
…and so I abandoned the pagan gods and embraced Orthodox Christianity.
Orthodox churches should absolutely embrace this angle when reaching out to western people in Ireland, USA, Canada and Australia. There are 50 million people of gaelic/celtic ancestry in these countries who I think would be very drawn to the fact that this is something within their own heritage, not something alien, oriental and unfamiliar.
There are a set of self described 'celtic orthodox' churches in the UK, Ireland, US and France, but these are non-canonical. I think it is up to canonical churches to make that outreach and to bring people into the canonical fold.
St. John of Shanghai and San Francisco said that when such lands "Remember their Saints" then the Faith of old will be revived. The Irish/Celtic Church was not Eastern Orthodox nor was it Roman Catholic. It was its own unique fulfillment of the highest ideals of the one holy, catholic, and Apostolic Church. It is easy to see why both the Eastern Orthodox and Catholics are eager to wrap themselves with the mantle of the Saints of the land of Saints and Scholars. Revive the memory of these Saints. Venerate them. Integrate them wholly into the liturgical life of the Church, but please avoid the temptation of just using them as an "angle" to sell Russian Church, Greek Church, etc...If the Orthodox Churches truly seek to embrace Celtic Christianity and reshare the faith of the Celtic Christians with the people of Ireland and the UK, then they should be working hard on reviving the worship of that Church, working on a robust "Western Rite" Orthodoxy. May God bless this kind of work through the intercessions of St. Brigid, St. Patrick, and St. Colmcille.
Eira's Athos Charism.
Pelagius should’ve been mentioned
Retroactively applying schism onto Ireland, the country that was so Catholic it changed its liturgy to fit Rome’s. Irish we’re never capital O Orthodox, they are in schism with the church born in blood in Rome when Byzantium was a Thracian named collection of Greek, Thracian and Illyrian colonies.
Lol read the writings of St. Patrick. Man was Orthodox, he taught toll house
@@gxkdykxiyx1985 he was an ordained Roman bishop lol.
I want to be orthodox but they won't accept me in and there is no orthodoxy where I live the closest is the Catholic church which I disagree with
What do you mean? Anyone is accepted into Orthodoxy, all you have to do is become a Catechumen. Where do you live and what is stopping you from becoming Orthodox? I can maybe help get you in contact to a good Orthodox Church so you can convert.
Problem is the rejection of the patriarchy
What do you mean?