The Great Return - The Renewal of Orthodoxy in Britain
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- Опубликовано: 7 окт 2024
- The Great Return - The Renewal of Orthodoxy in Britain
This inaugural video from The Academy of St Juliana focuses in brief on the history of the Orthodox Faith in the British Isles and the role of the Liturgical Arts in the renewal of the spiritual and cultural life of the community and the British nation.
This video features interviews with:
Archimandrite Philip Hall of Lincoln and the Abbot of the Monastery of St. Antony and St. Cuthbert.
Protopresbyter Stephen Maxfield of the Orthodox Church of the 318 Holy Fathers of the First Council of Nicaea, Shrewsbury.
Aidan Hart, renowned iconographer, wood carver, lecturer, artist and writer.
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The Academy of St Juliana is intended to be a centre of activity, culture and education in the heart of the UK.
IMPORTANT UPDATE: Starting as of Sunday, March 17th 2024, the church of St. Julian’s in Shrewsbury will begin hosting the local Orthodox Church in Shrewsbury and performing Divine Liturgies and Matins (in English) every Sunday morning at 9:30am. This is a historical and momentous occasion in the life of St. Julian’s, and also in the life of the Orthodox community in Shropshire. Glory to God! If you wish to attend the new services, please find the details and the address on their website below.
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CORRECTION:
There are two errors in the documentary which did not get corrected in time of publication.
Our apologies.
1) Aidan Hart was born in England, and grew up in New Zealand.
2) The prophecy on Britain was from Saint Arsenios - of Paros (1800-1877).
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God willing Orthodoxy will save the West ☦️
Amen brother
Amin ☦️
Becoming Orthodox in Britain means not converting, but returning back home to the faith of St. Cuthbert, St. Alban, St. Patrick, and many others who formed this nation.
St. Kevin. St. Alfred the Great.
Returning back home to the faith of St. Cuthbert, St. Alban, St. Patrick, St. Winifred, St. Beuno, St. Xenia, St. Seiriol, St. David, St. Andrew, St. Dymphna, St. Nina, and millions of others absolutely requires a mass conversion because both the Roman and Anglican Churches have departed from the faith handed to us by the Lord Jesus Christ. We were all given the choice, and we must choose well.
Do not fall into the heresy of ethnophyletism. These other cultures do not exclude us. They have preserved the true faith for us. Thank them and follow them.
Saint David as well
Amin amin amin!
After convertion, almost every single Anglo-saxon kings were Orthodox christians before William the Conqueror came.
My wife and I are - God willing - being welcomed and blessed as new catechumens this coming Sunday, at the Orthodox Parish of St. Silouan, in Southampton.
Wonderful!
I'm British and have been Orthodox for two years.
Congratulations!
God bless you!
God bless you all, my dear British Orthodox brethren and sistren across the pond in the Mother Country. We are bound in faith, made whole in Jesus Christ our king. I hope to visit the British Isles one day, but most especially England, the land of my ancestors. Many prayers from your brother in Christ in the former colonies. ☦🏴🇬🇧
May the Spirit make the Orthodox community in the British Isle blossom like a beautiful flower, giving off a sweet fragrance!
I am recent convert to Orthodoxy from Roman Catholicism!
I'm a Christian. I love Jesus. My background is Anglican, like many British people. I then spent many years as an evangelical. I've been feeling drawn to the beauty of Orthodoxy. I don't think Roman Catholicism is for me, for various reasons; but Orthodoxy is much more attractive to me personally. This video has inspired me to find out more 😊
Amen same here.
God save the King from a Scottish Australian 🏴🇬🇧☦️
This is a side of English history that needs to be heard more often. Thank you for sharing the orthodox roots and saints of the ‘end of world’.
May the prayers of the Saints of the British Isles sustain and guide us and may God bless us all!
Saint columcille pray for us.
All the saints of Iona pray for us.
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Certainly Clement.
May the Saints of Britain pray to God for us all and for these lands.
It's Oswald btw.
"Britain will only become Orthodox when she once again begins to venerate her saints." - Arsenios of Paros
Hi Joshua, could you explain the context of this quote to me? I'm doing some research for a film.
@@petetrif I edited my comment as I found that it was actually Arsenios of Paros who said this, not Arsenios the Cappadocian.
As far as the context of the quote, what I have found is that he prophesied this in 1877. I haven't found any further info, unfortunately. My apologies.
What is the film? Maybe I can provide some info in that regard.
@@joshua_wherley It is a supernatural horror set in a Serbian Orthodox Church. Still very early days, I am just trying to gather background knowledge at the moment. I have very little familiarity with the Serbian Orthodox Church. I was raised a Roman Catholic and only have a handful of memories of going to the Serbian Orthodox Church with my dad and grandad. I guess I was asking, what is meant by the quote? what is its significance - 24 people have liked it, it must resonate in some way.
@@petetrif First, a little history: the Greek-speaking Eastern Church and Latin-speaking Western Church began drift apart in AD 1054, due to mutual excommunications between Patriarch Michael I Cerularius
of Constantinople and Pope Leo IX of Rome
. The situation had moments of hope, but by the Council of Ferrara-Florence in AD 1438-1439, it was clear that the two sides would not be reconciled, largely due to a disagreement over the role or power that the Bishop of Rome has in the broader church, among other teachings such as Purgatory.
Eventually, the Greek church was known as the Eastern Orthodox Church (which today consists of the ancient churches in Alexandria, Antioch, Constantinople, and Jerusalem, as well as the churches of Russia, Serbia, Cyprus, Romania, Georgia, Albania, and several others). Meanwhile, the Latin church became known as the Roman Catholic Church. Many do not realize that the two sides were in communion for a millennium before they split.
So, the significance of the quote from the Orthodox perspective is this: any church that fell under Rome's jurisdiction, as is the case with the church of Britain, aligned itself with the Papacy's orders over the centuries. So Orthodox say that the church in Britain strayed from the true Christian teachings and way of life that they originally received from great saints like Aristobulus, Columba, Patrick. What Arsenios meant by his quote is that the church of Britain must recover those early figures that brought Christianity to the Isles and reject the Papist reforms. The must instead embrace Orthodox Christianity as the original faith practiced in that land. Only then will Britain truly be orthodox in her approach to the faith and Orthodox as a people.
Hopefully that is not too long-winded of a response. Please let me know if I can clarify anything.
@@joshua_wherley Thank you! That was very helpful.
My brothers and sisters, the west is falling along with the Church of England. I pray that orthodox Christianity can save us. I am a new convert. May god bless you all
God bless and protect you, your family, your loved ones and you nation.From a Romanian orthodox.
An awesome video! May England once again accustom itself to Christ's Church, the Orthodox.
In Jesus name . Amen.
Why is there no Orthodox church specifically for the English then?
@@Hereticalable That probably will come later on.
@@scottishguy7195 that's oriental Orthodoxy. It's very different from eastern Orthodoxy. It is better to call it Coptic Christianity to differentiate it.
@@Hereticalable there aren't enough British orthodox Christians(most are still immigrants who follow their country's church) for the Patriarch of Constantinopole to create a new Patriarchate
Beautiful!! May God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit continue to bring his people back to his church. Alleluia ☦️💕
ΑΞΙΟΙ ΑΞΙΟΙ ΑΞΙΟΙ
ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ ΑΝΕΣΤΗ αδελφοί
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Great to see this, we need a strong orthodox Christian community in Britain 🇬🇧, our culture, traditions and civilisation depends onit. What a wonderful video, I didn’t know there was a growing orthodox community here in my homeland, orthodox Christianity ✝️ is growing all over the world, we need it badly here in the uk 🇬🇧 and the west as a whole.
BEAUTIFUL Greetings and Best wishes from a Greek Orthodox AUSTRALIAN
The clarity of British Christianity is a Godsend.
God bless the church of England. Amen
Marios Archelleos if by the Church of England you are referring to the State Church of Modern England, I don't believe it is a good idea to call down the blessings of God upon her. If on the other hand you are referring to the original English Church, then I may join in with your prayer. The current State Church of England is finished as a Christian Institution she has gone beyond the point of no return. Not only England but the Whole Western Church is beyond the point of no return. There may very well still be many well-meaning members of the State Church of England and the Roman Catholic Church, but the institution they belong to cannot be Saved, it is now up to Orthodox to convert these people and reacquaint them with their ancient Faith, and Spirituality. Neither Canterbury or Rome will convert back to Historical Christianity, but plenty of parishes and maybe a few diocese in these Communions can be brought back into the Ancient Church, this is our job, to entice them back to the Faith of their ancestors.
@@adolphCat he's talking about the English Orthodox Church probably
The re-Christianization of our countries will contribute to the integral development of humanity and be a source of greater justice and compassion, ethics and peace. It is the mission of Christians to joyfully live and share the Gospel in an authentic and compelling way.
Totally agree
St Juliana, pray for us!
Once the Britain was called "the land of saints". That is what made this country great. And turning into liberalism and atheism made this country miserable and meaningless.
Excellent video,please make more videos related to Orthodoxy.thanks.
God bless you guys over there in England and in all the isles may the lord return you to orthodoxy, i especially liked the part about how they restored the Anglo Saxon church and the local parish priest there, he has that certain english charm to him that always came to my mind when i thought of British.
Wow, thankyou all, look forward to visiting God bless, st juliana pray for us, amen!
We found this of great interest our church founder whom we know was a deeply pious man who’s religious leaning was to the eastern church , the church being dedicated to St. Edmund King & Martyr .
Mary Fr. Philip, I had no idea there was a revival of Orthodoxy in Britain. That is beautiful. I'm so used to Orthodoxy here in America that I, shamefully, take it for granted. I suppose I don't understand that if you have the real thing how can you go to something else?
You take it for granted while the closest parishes to me are an hour's drive away one way. I wish Orthodoxy had a more evangelistic spirit here in America, that it would stop focusing almost exclusively on the major cities and give at least a little more attention to setting up mission churches in the more rural areas. The distance, the "pandemic," and the weather have been my greatest hindrances in pursuing Orthodoxy further than mere study and prayer.
I am praying that God will soon give me the opportunity and ability to take the next steps back to his one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Bride. Please pray for me as well. 🙏☦
@@HickoryDickory86 prayers send
@@HickoryDickory86 🙏🇦🇺
This is amazing! Please provide updates when you are able!!
Fantastic! Praise the Lord and God Bless you! He must increase!
Fascinating! Thank you.
"We are not the first (Orthodox) people here, not the first Orthodox Christians here at all... we have an enormous number of previous witnesses of the resurrection (of Christ)" - Archimandrite Philip
Glory to the Holy Trinity unto the Ages Amin. Continue To preserve pure Orthodoxy and the Holy Apolostic succession as handed down to us by our Holy Fathers
Amen
@Gerry Hagen Unlike them, we have continuity with the early Church. There are many early writings that are Orthodox in nature such as from St. Justin Martyr, St. Ignatius of Antioch, St. Athanasius the Great and much more!
@Gerry Hagen no, that was the Roman Catholic church that broke off for the aforementioned reasons. They were the ones who gave the excommunication first because of the fallacious notions regarding papal supremacy and universal jurisdiction, to name a few. Jay Dyer does a great job in detailing the events leading up to the Schism.
@Gerry Hagen My pleasure. It's much deeper than the both of us can speak about in a comments section, that's why I recommended Jay Dyer. He's a good source for these matters.
@Gerry Hagen The Roman Catholic Church was once Orthodox, not the other way around. There was only one holy, catholic, apostolic Church since Pentecost, and from it various schismatics have broken away throughout time, including the Catholic Church in A.D. 1054. The canonical Orthodox Church maintains the same ancient traditions as they have always been observed.
In the ancient Church, the Pope of Rome was always acknowledged as the _primus inter pares_ (first among equals) of the patriarchs-after the founding of Constantinople the collectively were known as the Tetrarchy, consisting of the bishops of Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem respectively-but he was never accorded supremacy or plenary universal jurisdiction. He was _primus_ only because Rome was (1) the capital city of the Roman Empire and (2) had been the apostolic seat of both Peter and Paul. When Constantinople was established, its bishop was accorded identical honors as those favored by the bishop of Rome-to whom he was regarded as _secundus_ -precisely because Constantinople was the new capital city of the Roman Empire.
All of the five patriarchs, however, enjoyed universal _appellate_ jurisdiction. For example: If you were under the Pope of Rome and he would not hear your case was too sluggish in taking it up, you could appeal, say, to the Patriarch of Alexandria, and if he took the case up and made a decision, his ruling was binding. It could not be overturned even by the Pope of Rome.
As Caer said, the Great Schism came about for many reasons, but two of its heaviest were the Pope's claims to plenary universal jurisdiction and Roman papal supremacy. Papal infallibility was added to the ever growing list with Vatican I.
The Catholic Church broke away from Orthodoxy and has produced lots of heretical innovations since then, not the other around. I hope that helps.
Thank you so much for this video. This is a great interest of mine. Hope to see more content!
The Icon at 12:55, Theotokos of the sign, I'm in love!
I am encouraged with knowing what is happening with yourselves. How can one be involved with the project? Tim Marshall
Glad to hear that so many converts are leaving the Orthodox Church. Warms my heart.
God bless you in your holy work.
I attended an Antiochian Church in York a few years ago and there were other Orthodox Churches in the same city. It was the city where Constantine succeeded as a military commander before he became Christian and founded Constantinople.
Excellent video. Subbed ☦️
About the orthodox icons, monks or painter do fast and pray before they start painting Saints and pray non stop while they painting.
My godfather is a priest and an iconographist. I'll ask him if he does that when I can.
Learn about King Harold. I believe he was an Orthodox Saint... & I'm not the only one.
Really?
Yessir.
Yes he was ....as well as St Patrick , in fact ..every saint of that epoch was saint of One Holly Catholic and Apostolic Church - Orthodox Church ...there was no Roman Catholic church because Rome as Patriarchal seat was "incorporated" In Mother Orthodox Church ... there was only Orthodox Catholicism - not Roman
Beautiful! 🙏💖
Glory to God
Wonderful. God grant you many years. Christ be with you always. 🙏☦️🕊🎶🎸
My son's name is Aidan.
Beautiful....
What a beautiful presentation 🙏✝️I really believe its in the best interest of the British and the Irish to return to the Orthodox Tradition. The British Orthodox Church was in communion with the Coptic Orthodox Church and from my understanding have since parted ways😥This quality and tradition of the early Celtic Churches were very much in line with the Oriental Church in the way of Worship and Monasticism etc.....With Gods will these lands return to this rich and beautiful tradition✝️🙏
I am British Indian part of Oriental Orthodox church.Can i join the eastern orthodox church community officially?
Find your local Eastern Orthodox Church and speak with the priest. He should guide you accordingly! God bless! May you have a blessed Nativity Fast!
Yes
There is the western rite orthodox
No. Not yet. Full communion is still not near. Orientals believe in 3 ecumenical councils. We are miaphysites not duophysites.. Pardon spelling errors.
@@JTCBR i believe he meant to convert.
The converted ones are amazing... Let them be blessed in the name of Christ!... I love them so much UK, but the Orthodox parishes in the UK!...
Superb. Thank you, ASJ.
the anglo saxons were eastern orthodox
The Church was one Both East and West, Constantinople was reach via the Baltic and what is now Russia. down rivers to the Black Sea and across to the city. They traded there and so did Vikings. Rome was one centre of the Church and sent out missionaries
And... guess what? God has allowed for the Church of Saint Juliana to return to the Orthodox Faith and Tradition, from this Sunday onwards. Come join us for Matins at 9:30 and Divine Liturgy at 10:30, in what is a remarkable milestone in the contemporary history of the Orthodox Church in the British Isles!
Glory to God for all things! Saint Juliana of Nicomedia, intercede for us! ☦️☦️☦️
It'd be nice if you'd use a bell with more base like a bong instead of ding. The pitch is rough on the ears.
Deepest apologies that we don't adhere to the preferences and earthly expectations of Noone.
Please plant an Orthodox Church in Dudley area!🙏🏽 I would love to join but can’t travel regularly to those further away. 😢
There's the Orthodox Church of the Nativity of the Mother of God in Palfrey, Walsall. Divine Liturgy at 10am every Sunday.
Is there such thing as English Orthodox chant? I'd be very interested in hearing some if there is.
ruclips.net/video/kQ-I-VQsvko/видео.html. This is an orthodox Byzantine chant that was translated to English
Here you will find some chants:
ruclips.net/video/2jwFHJBH4nE/видео.html
Is that Nick Griffin up at the back? 3:14.
Also; does anyone have any decent info on the pre-schism church in Britain? Any would be appreciated.
Which era of the first millennium are u asking about? The best account of the early church in Britian is Bede's History of the English Church and People, which is available in Penguin. You ought also to read Gildas and Nennius, both of whom are/were available from Phillimore. They will give you a good account up until about the seventh century.
Wigster600 have you read The Venerable Bede’s ‘Ecclesiastical History of the English People’ ? Much treasure within.
Paul Fowler ah! Beat me to it
Ta for the input lads, i'll give Bede's a go.
We need more orthodox built churches and monasteries here
Adorable the orthodox
I wish you'd do a video that all singing without any narration. Efharistou poli.
the original church of Britain is back
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Wawu ellllll love
Shrewsbury is close to Wales, huh? I thought your accent sounded Welsh.
Very exotic.
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Where is the cottage at 10:44? It looks remarkably like somewhere I used to go for retreats in the Highlands of Scotland in the early 90s.
Did nobody recognize Nick Griffin at 3:16..........
Do they Sing Hymnodies, Psalmnodies, and Vesper Chants in Ancient Indegionous Celtic Melodies?
I believe the convertation from Catholicism/Protestantism to Orthodoxy is much bigger than the opposite way in percentage.
Wonderful return to the dark ages
Would not a renewal of Orthodoxy involve the use of a Western Rite which the first Christians in the British Isles would have been familiar with?
And what about Anglicanism already being a continuation of that?
@@news_internationale2035 Unfortunately, Anglicanism itself is not Orthodoxy and only began during the Reformation. That said there are attempts to baptized Anglican practices into Orthodoxy via the Liturgy of St. Tikhon. I've hear attempts to also include the Sarum Rite, but I'm not as familiar with them.
@@patricklee8088 The existing Anglicanism seems more organic to me. This brand of orthodoxy seems kind of pulled out of nowhere.
@@news_internationale2035 In what way is it more organic? I feel that word gets used a lot but doesn't actually mean what the person thinks it should mean.
And it didn't get "pulled out of nowhere." The WR arose because as Orthodoxy went west it encountered people who held to a similar theology but didn't believe their cultural expressions of the faith should be abandoned. Particularly when those expressions were Orthodox long before the split between East & West.
No, the modern "byzantine rite" is actually closer to what the west was doing before the great schism. Also, the west had multiple rites and not a singular "western rite".
I used to be more positive toward the "western rite" and even used to embrace it, but there are major flaws with the concept.
1. As I stated before, the modern western rites are actually more dissimilar to what the west was actually doing before the great schism than the eastern rite is. Take a Catholic church before the 1500s, it's icons looked more like byzantine icons and it will have no pews. Why? Because that's simply more reminiscent of what the west was like when it was Orthodox. To make a modern Catholic-looking Orthodox Church is really a contradiction in terms. You're adding elements that are foreign and contradictory to Orthodox theology and practice. Statuary and pews being glaring examples.
2. How do we know that the clergy who participate in these rites are actually doing Orthodox practices and sticking to Orthodox theology? Things like wafers and unleavened bread are not to be used as the eucharist. There is no devotion to the sacred heart. And so on and so forth, which brings me to my next point:
3. ALL converts, whether former schismatic priests or laymen, must undergo and SLOW and LENGTHY catechesis. There are major flaws with taking an Anglican or catholic parish and just "making it Orthodox" in a quick way. You have former papist or protestant clergy becoming Orthodox clergy in a rushed fashion without them even being able to acquire a proper Orthodox mindset and phronema, proper Orthodox repentance, etc. The apostle paul himself forbids new converts from entering into the priesthood.
4. There is no singular western rite. ROCOR and Antioch are doing and permitting different things. Why create liturgical ghettos into the Church? Why allow people to become separated by a different rite and by different calendars, practices, terms, vestments, etc. Why this needless separation of the Church?
The ancient Church had multiple rites, yes, but was this because of difference in location? The modern world is a global village and people can easily travel from New York City to Manchester in a matter of days. It isn't wise to create needless separation between peoples that otherwise can be prevented.
One has to question whether a different rite is or is not the will of God. The Church has been growing more alike over the centuries and NOT more dissimilar.
Overall, if one is to convert to Orthodoxy, one should convert to Orthodoxy proper and not a makeshift new liturgical movement that isn't what it claims to be (the ancient western liturgy) contradicts Orthodox theology and lacks the fullness of truth.
You know I mentioned I think it was Greek ladies visiting our church one evening where they radiated a warmth. Or else it was my aunt that passed away during that same time frame. Anything's possible but when you have people sincere in faith without tensions and such, looking at the good in others, warmth is created.
Now if testosterone is allowed in, it causes issues. Or if politics and things not of God.
@Wessex used it to cleanse the temple. Not a toxin. It is prolific. Sires the image and likeness of God. Pro-creative, not destructive.
You are incorrect to blame testosterone
In Holy Orthodoxy women have to cover their hair. It is an apostolic Tradition thst men and women are seperated in the Holy Temple. Pews and chairs are forbidden too.
Just need to develop some proper fellowship
Mary Fr. Philip, you're just all over the place. Hahahaha.
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The Filioque was introduced to Britain by St Theodore in 680, and if your church dates from 700 then it is possible that it has been continuously said in your church. Many Saxons were undoubtedly murdered by the Normans, but I doubt that they were arguing about the use of azymes. The pillars of orthodoxy in the English-speaking part of Britain are Thomas Becket, John Fisher and Thomas More, but I didn't see any icons of any of them in your video. I would encourage everyone English to say John Fisher's Prayer for Holy Bishops on Ember Saturdays. Do you do that? My godfather was Oswald Shopland from Akeld in the far north of Northumberland. I would imagine that his family has been continuously Catholic since 680. Are you planning to convert us to something else? One of my heroes is Father James Worswick of Newcastle upon Tyne, who was born in Lancashire in 1771, but not validly baptised according to the Oros of 1755. I used to go to Mass in Worswick Street. Do you really think he was not validly baptised?
I hate to break it to you but the pillars of Orthodoxy you listed are only saints venerated in the Roman Catholic Church. I urge you to look into the many innovations, inconsistencies and corruptions of Catholicism, and to delve into The Orthodox Church, the Church established by Christ and The Apostles, The Church that has remained unchanged since pentecost, The Church that Rome split from in 1054.
@@mystic_disciple The Orthodox cannot agree among themselves if Becket, Fisher and More were validly baptised. They cannot be taken seriously on the question of their sainthood.
Ummm we already have the pre-Roman "ancient faith of the British Isles" in the Anglican church.
What is that?
Anglicanism started in the 1500s
@@vmanismyname1534 Yeah that has nothing to do with the age of the British church which existed in the first century.
The Anglican church isn't pre Roman
@@jackholloway1 That's nice bud. We can all say things. "Anglican church" simply means English church, and yes it was around before it ever became a part of the Roman institution.
The language of divine services in England prior to schism would be Latin , also this church is in union with the schismatic Greek patriarch, so no true orthodox can worship with them
Also, would old Celtic churches have been in a Celtic language?
Moscow doggy go fetch some bone and leave commenting stupid things.
The language of the Divine Liturgy must be done in the vernacular and also the Greek patriarchate and the Russian patriarch are most likely going to be in communion with in 10 years
No it was in English, the Normans actually killed English priests after they invaded because they'd deliver the liturgy in English as opposed to Latin
@@eleftheriosmas oh hush you
After this i have hope for England again ☦️☦️☦️
There is very little true orthodoxy in the British isles , the majority are heretics and schismatics