Buy now from Herman Miller direct for full warranty: sovrn.co/peg2eo4 00:00 - Intro 00:22 - Unwrapping 00:31 - Overview & Features 07:37 - Adjustability & Ergonomics 12:28 - Seat Dimensions 13:40 - 5 Cons of the Sayl 19:42 - 5 Pros of the Sayl 23:57 - Roundup
Actually, it entirely depends on the individual suffering from tailbone (coccyx) pain. I used to get a lot of pain in lower back and bottom when I had a cheap office chair from office furniture land. When I upgraded to the Aeron, the pain completely went away. I can sit on it for hours and when I finally get up, I feel absolutely no pain whatsoever. The mesh on the Aeron is amazing for me.
@@simocancia Did you get tailbone pain from a different chair or has this issue developed from doing something else? The Embody has really good back support, even supporting the tailbone region. So either you need to try and adjust it to fully support your tailbone or maybe you might have a different issue that would require physical treatment.
I have the Logitech Embody and the gaming Sayl for my wife. We sit in our chairs 12+hrs per day 7 days a week and we love our chairs. I use the Logitech and my wife uses the Gaming Sayl. The Sayl imo is made for individuals who are around 5’0” tall up. I think it’s comfy but my Logitech Embody is the most comfy. I would love to have the gaming Aeron.
Hi the padding is still just as good as day one. Lumber support is not designed to be removed, but it can be moved up and down into a position where it suits you.
The best review of the Sayl in existence on youtube! Trust me, ever since a few days ago, Ive watched every single review / video on the sayl. Every single one!.. Now my back and I, are both waiting impatiently for up to 8-9 weeks for it to ship! Insane amount of time, I didn't think how long this would take, until days after the purchase, its so far away!
Thanks I'm glad you found it useful! It will be worth it, don't judge the chair after 10 mins sitting but after 8 hours working day in day out, you don't feel any pain.
It’s a 12yr warranty not 10yrs. I have the Logitech Embody and the Gaming Sayl for my wife. We sit in our chairs 12+hrs per day 5 days a week and we love our chairs. They are super comfy.
Thank you for the review! One of the best reviews of the chair. I have two questions about the chair if you could help answer: 1. How good would you say the chair supports your lower back? I know you mentioned that the lumbar support isn't really needed but given that you have it, how good is the support for the lower back? Have you experienced support for your lower back since you got the chair? 2. For the Herman Miller Aeron, a lot of people said the seat can be uncomfortable for those who want to sit crossed-legged due to the lip of the seat digging into their legs/thighs. Is this also true for the Sayl? Can you sit crossed-legged without having the seat dig into your legs and thighs?
Hi, glad you found it useful. The lumbar support makes the area with the lower back abit more firmer and rigged, I have not experienced any lower back pain while using it, and i've been sat on it for 8 hours a day every week. From my knowledge most complaints of the aeron seated lip are due to its material and construction of the seat pan, the Sayl has a completely different seat pan design with a cushioned seat you wont have any issues sitting cross legged. Hope that helps.
Hi pal, thanks. I'm about 5ft 7. My desk height is 60cm, which allows me to have my feet at 90 flat on the floor, there is still. About an additional 4inchs in the seat stand to allow for taller people. I think you may be fine.
My top annoyance: The lumbar support will actually slide down by itself. I ended up removing it because I don't feel like it's doing much. It looks like an afterthought.
@callofdutyzx2798 you can move the arm rests out if you get the adjustable ones, in the video i show you the measurements of the seat pan if that helps. It does depend how big you are, i got a friend whos quite fat and he sat in it and his sides were touching the armrests lol. But if your normal weight you should be fine.
The Gaming Sayl where i live has the Medley fabric instead of the Sync fabric, is it still worth getting over the regular Sayl? The regular Sayl uses the Cosmos fabric. The cost difference between the two is about 37. Both don't come with the adjustable lumbar support.
That's a very interesting complete review. You actually answered all the questions I had on the chair and learned information that no one else provided including the manufacturer's site itself. Thank you ! Funny that the spacebar on your keyboard is a bit uncliped on the left in this video ^^
Hi thanks for your great review! I am curious if you 1) found the adjustable seat useful and 2) which seat type you chose? There seems to be three types (Crepe, Rhythm, and Gemma). Apologies if you already answered these questions!
Adjustable seat is useful, but once you set it you forget about it - but atleast its set up perfect for you. Not sure on the seat type? that might be a new feature as I didn't have those options.
Hi, great review! I got my Sayl around 2 weeks ago and I noticed with the adjustable lumbar add on that it tends to slide downwards quite easily. I quite literally catch it all the way at the bottom multiple times a day so as a result I need to put it in place again, usually after an hour or two. Does your lumbar add on move easily as well?
Hey pal, if you get the version with the fully adjustable armrests, you can push them back and perch yourself on the front half of the chair to play guitar and it's fine. Hope tht helps.
From what I've seen, it can take 8-12 weeks. Wellworking is a great Herman Miller dealer imo, I bought an Aeron from them and they were super friendly and professional. My friend also bought a few chairs from them, and he did have some issues with the chairs. They have a great after sales team, so they helped him out without any problems.
Hi, its not removable. But tbh i dont think you would miss it, it has good lumbar support in its shape already, i don't think having the extra makes much difference really. Just makes it abit more rigid.
@@unklerolly yeah alot of people think Aeron is better as its more expensive, but they are very different chairs. Sayl is better if you have cocyx pain too.
Hi, I just got this chair and I do like it, however when I adjust the seat pan forward it has a slight movement to it (like a wobble) of maybe a centimeter. Does yours have this too?
@@Dipscovery Thank you for the reply. I think mine has a bit more play to it than normal and when I adjust myself in the chair I actually feel the seat moving which I don't think is acceptable for this price point. I'll see what I can do about it :)
I have a very specific question: when you lean back with the tilt locked to vertical, is there any give before the tilt "bottoms-out" so-to-speak? I am trying out a Steelcase Series 2 right now, which has some give, and I find it a bit irritating.
Hey I got my Sayl two days ago and its been hurting my lower back, do you think this is just an adjustment period for my lower back? Are there any tips you have to alleviate this. Ive already dialed it all in to the ideal "ergonomic" variables, seat being flat on the floor etc.
Hi, i did not have this issue. But yes could just be you getting used to the ergonomic nature of the chair especially if you didn't have an ergonomic chair before. Did you get the adjustable lumbar support?
@@quentincano It definitely did not adapt, i ended up returning it because I could not justify keeping it even though it looks amazing. This random office chair we have at the house plus an amazon cushion has been treating me better than the sayl lmao. Just scout ALLL your options before committing. If you have any questions let me know!
@@namvo3909 yeah, only differences are the colours you can pick. It's physically the same chairs, but gaming edition from herman miller's site, you cannot spec with lumbar adjustment.
@@Dipscovery yeah I know it has the same features minus lumbar. Mine was delivered yesterday. The key difference is color patterns. Gaming Edition, vibrant colors are assigned to the seat back. Gives it a unique wow factor. I ended up getting the red and black. It’s so sexy!
G8 review, but, bruh, all the "cons" you mentioned are literally almost not noticeable things...this is if you have worked 10 hrs a day for many years on a 100 usd chair...
Buy now from Herman Miller direct for full warranty: sovrn.co/peg2eo4
00:00 - Intro
00:22 - Unwrapping
00:31 - Overview & Features
07:37 - Adjustability & Ergonomics
12:28 - Seat Dimensions
13:40 - 5 Cons of the Sayl
19:42 - 5 Pros of the Sayl
23:57 - Roundup
Finally a review that talks about measurements like a pro. Thank you.
Easily the best review of the Sayl on RUclips! Definitely gonna buy one now
Thanks im glad it helped!
Such a good review wow. You deserve way many views on such a proper video
Thanks appreciate it!
Actually, it entirely depends on the individual suffering from tailbone (coccyx) pain.
I used to get a lot of pain in lower back and bottom when I had a cheap office chair from office furniture land.
When I upgraded to the Aeron, the pain completely went away. I can sit on it for hours and when I finally get up, I feel absolutely no pain whatsoever. The mesh on the Aeron is amazing for me.
i'm using the embody chair now and I also suffer from pain coccyx, but it doesn't fix this problem. maybe should i change chair ?
@@simocancia Did you get tailbone pain from a different chair or has this issue developed from doing something else?
The Embody has really good back support, even supporting the tailbone region.
So either you need to try and adjust it to fully support your tailbone or maybe you might have a different issue that would require physical treatment.
Are you on Aeron B or C? How tall are you?
I have the Logitech Embody and the gaming Sayl for my wife. We sit in our chairs 12+hrs per day 7 days a week and we love our chairs. I use the Logitech and my wife uses the Gaming Sayl. The Sayl imo is made for individuals who are around 5’0” tall up. I think it’s comfy but my Logitech Embody is the most comfy. I would love to have the gaming Aeron.
The negatives are objectively minimal. If that's the worse you can say about this chair then it's a pretty damn good chair.
How is the chairs Padding holding up since this video?
Is the additional lumbar support removable or is it fixed onto the chair?
Hi the padding is still just as good as day one. Lumber support is not designed to be removed, but it can be moved up and down into a position where it suits you.
The best review of the Sayl in existence on youtube! Trust me, ever since a few days ago, Ive watched every single review / video on the sayl. Every single one!.. Now my back and I, are both waiting impatiently for up to 8-9 weeks for it to ship! Insane amount of time, I didn't think how long this would take, until days after the purchase, its so far away!
Thanks I'm glad you found it useful! It will be worth it, don't judge the chair after 10 mins sitting but after 8 hours working day in day out, you don't feel any pain.
It’s a 12yr warranty not 10yrs.
I have the Logitech Embody and the Gaming Sayl for my wife. We sit in our chairs 12+hrs per day 5 days a week and we love our chairs. They are super comfy.
Thank you for the review! One of the best reviews of the chair. I have two questions about the chair if you could help answer:
1. How good would you say the chair supports your lower back? I know you mentioned that the lumbar support isn't really needed but given that you have it, how good is the support for the lower back? Have you experienced support for your lower back since you got the chair?
2. For the Herman Miller Aeron, a lot of people said the seat can be uncomfortable for those who want to sit crossed-legged due to the lip of the seat digging into their legs/thighs. Is this also true for the Sayl? Can you sit crossed-legged without having the seat dig into your legs and thighs?
Hi, glad you found it useful. The lumbar support makes the area with the lower back abit more firmer and rigged, I have not experienced any lower back pain while using it, and i've been sat on it for 8 hours a day every week.
From my knowledge most complaints of the aeron seated lip are due to its material and construction of the seat pan, the Sayl has a completely different seat pan design with a cushioned seat you wont have any issues sitting cross legged.
Hope that helps.
Great review. Question. How tall are you? I’m 6foot so I’m curious about the seat height and if it was enough to have the knees bend 90 degrees
Thx
Hi pal, thanks. I'm about 5ft 7. My desk height is 60cm, which allows me to have my feet at 90 flat on the floor, there is still. About an additional 4inchs in the seat stand to allow for taller people. I think you may be fine.
My top annoyance: The lumbar support will actually slide down by itself. I ended up removing it because I don't feel like it's doing much. It looks like an afterthought.
I've not had that issue, but yeah i don't think its that necessary.
@@Dipscovery the chair seem to me small and tight not enough space if I'm not mistaken.
@callofdutyzx2798 you can move the arm rests out if you get the adjustable ones, in the video i show you the measurements of the seat pan if that helps. It does depend how big you are, i got a friend whos quite fat and he sat in it and his sides were touching the armrests lol. But if your normal weight you should be fine.
The Gaming Sayl where i live has the Medley fabric instead of the Sync fabric, is it still worth getting over the regular Sayl? The regular Sayl uses the Cosmos fabric. The cost difference between the two is about 37. Both don't come with the adjustable lumbar support.
How does the seat feel over time?
Feels the same, no issues
That's a very interesting complete review. You actually answered all the questions I had on the chair and learned information that no one else provided including the manufacturer's site itself. Thank you !
Funny that the spacebar on your keyboard is a bit uncliped on the left in this video ^^
Thanks buddy. You got eagle eyes to notce that haha. Glad you enjoyed the video.
Excellent review! Thank you 😊
Thank you, please show love and sub! 🙏🏾
Very well reviewed! Thanks!
Thanks pal, glad you found it useful.
Hi thanks for your great review! I am curious if you 1) found the adjustable seat useful and 2) which seat type you chose? There seems to be three types (Crepe, Rhythm, and Gemma). Apologies if you already answered these questions!
Adjustable seat is useful, but once you set it you forget about it - but atleast its set up perfect for you. Not sure on the seat type? that might be a new feature as I didn't have those options.
Hi, great review! I got my Sayl around 2 weeks ago and I noticed with the adjustable lumbar add on that it tends to slide downwards quite easily. I quite literally catch it all the way at the bottom multiple times a day so as a result I need to put it in place again, usually after an hour or two. Does your lumbar add on move easily as well?
Hi, my lumber doesnt move by itself no, once its in place it stays there unless i move it. It should have enough friction to keep it in place.
@@Dipscovery Cheers for the quick reply! Looks like mine might be broken in that case, weird cause it's a brand new one. Oh well!
@@Tommy-cb1ik i would ask hermen miller there service is really good
@@Dipscovery will do! :D
Hey man, thanks for the review. I noticed you play guitar. Do the arm rests get in the way when you're playing? That's my main concern.
Hey pal, if you get the version with the fully adjustable armrests, you can push them back and perch yourself on the front half of the chair to play guitar and it's fine. Hope tht helps.
Thanks for this, it's really difficult to find good reviews of the Sayl.
Would you have preferred fixed armrests over the movable?
I probably would of gone for the fixed armrest had I known that they were too easy to move.
@@Dipscovery that's interesting, thank you!
nice review! I think you really go with the pratical aspects!
maybe...buy it when i could afford it haha.
Thanks glad it helped
Great review!
Did you find this chair to be noisy? Hearing some clunking noise when leaning on the back.
Thx for the review.
Great review thanks!
did the height adjuster work first time for you? my lever is unresponsive. and is the tension nob get stiff as you turn it? great review?
hi ive had no problems with height lever, and no the tension nob does not go more stiff as you turn it, but the bounce will.
Best review ever!
Thanks I'm. Glad it helped you out!
Seeing as you customised it from WellWorking, how long was your delivery time?
From what I've seen, it can take 8-12 weeks.
Wellworking is a great Herman Miller dealer imo, I bought an Aeron from them and they were super friendly and professional.
My friend also bought a few chairs from them, and he did have some issues with the chairs. They have a great after sales team, so they helped him out without any problems.
Great video thanks! Curious what is your height?
Thanks, im about 5ft 7
Do you recommend getting the lumbar support? Is it removable? I want the gaming colors but don't know if losing the lumbar will be worth it
Hi, its not removable. But tbh i dont think you would miss it, it has good lumbar support in its shape already, i don't think having the extra makes much difference really. Just makes it abit more rigid.
i am returning my aeron and might get the SAYL
How come you didn't like the aeron?
@@Dipscovery it's hurting my hamstrings, glutes area. Too much pressure from the seat pan.
@@unklerolly ahh OK, yeah you will probably like the Sayl then as it is cushioned seat pan.
@@Dipscovery i do have the SAYL which i passed to my son and thought i get the top of the range Aeron but found out that it doesn't suit me.
@@unklerolly yeah alot of people think Aeron is better as its more expensive, but they are very different chairs. Sayl is better if you have cocyx pain too.
Hi, I just got this chair and I do like it, however when I adjust the seat pan forward it has a slight movement to it (like a wobble) of maybe a centimeter. Does yours have this too?
there is some little play in it, but nothing i really noticed tbh when using it.
@@Dipscovery Thank you for the reply. I think mine has a bit more play to it than normal and when I adjust myself in the chair I actually feel the seat moving which I don't think is acceptable for this price point. I'll see what I can do about it :)
@@Biesteh the customer service is really good so you shouldn't worry
@@Biesteh It's by design.
I have a very specific question: when you lean back with the tilt locked to vertical, is there any give before the tilt "bottoms-out" so-to-speak? I am trying out a Steelcase Series 2 right now, which has some give, and I find it a bit irritating.
Hi yes i do mention this in the review, 09:30 in pal.
@@Dipscovery Thank you!!
Steelcase Series 2 is terrible, don't waste your money.
Hey I got my Sayl two days ago and its been hurting my lower back, do you think this is just an adjustment period for my lower back? Are there any tips you have to alleviate this. Ive already dialed it all in to the ideal "ergonomic" variables, seat being flat on the floor etc.
Hi, i did not have this issue. But yes could just be you getting used to the ergonomic nature of the chair especially if you didn't have an ergonomic chair before. Did you get the adjustable lumbar support?
@@Dipscovery I do have the adjustable lumbar support yes!
Hello it's been a month now do you still have those lower back pain or did your lower back adapt ?
@@quentincano It definitely did not adapt, i ended up returning it because I could not justify keeping it even though it looks amazing. This random office chair we have at the house plus an amazon cushion has been treating me better than the sayl lmao. Just scout ALLL your options before committing. If you have any questions let me know!
Good job~
the music is too loud dude, I still liek the video though
Good review, but the background music makes it hard to pay attention to what you are saying.
Am I gona feel like a ham if I tend to sit shirtless sometimes?
yes probably
Nah, only if you're sitting in a giant oven.
What desk is that?
Its a couple of ikea drawers and a kitchen worktop.
nice
Thanks bud.
Yes yes 👍
That’s not the Gaming Edition because it doesn’t come in that blue color. Gaming edition also has matching color levers and handles.
If you order from well working in the UK, you can customise anything.
@@Dipscovery so that’s actually the “Gaming Edition”? Didn’t know you could do that in UK. Interesting.
@@namvo3909 yeah, only differences are the colours you can pick. It's physically the same chairs, but gaming edition from herman miller's site, you cannot spec with lumbar adjustment.
@@Dipscovery yeah I know it has the same features minus lumbar. Mine was delivered yesterday. The key difference is color patterns. Gaming Edition, vibrant colors are assigned to the seat back. Gives it a unique wow factor. I ended up getting the red and black. It’s so sexy!
@@namvo3909 how you finding the comfort? It really makes a difference from my last chair after long hours of sitting.
G8 review, but, bruh, all the "cons" you mentioned are literally almost not noticeable things...this is if you have worked 10 hrs a day for many years on a 100 usd chair...
Great R!eview
Thank you, I appreciate it, lot of effort go's into these videos :)
@@Dipscovery No prob, because of this review, I ordered mine. Hopefully I enjoy it as much as you do.