Make more of these please. Maybe explaining what the general game plan is for mage rogue these days. Then expanding on it. When is it better to sap into greater pyro vs cs into burst rotation
100% this. I watch all your videos and try to follow your stream. I learn a lot from it, but I somehow feel like I could use a "game plan" video. Maybe even considering different enemy comps, how to counter them, ... That would be awesome!
Thanks, I really really liked this, it's very helpful to learn not only the things you should do but also things you shouldn't. I'm completely new with my Rouge and I was main Hunter so, it's been pretty difficult to learn how to use it since it doesn't really have a certain rotation. I've watched many many guides but don't really find a lot of information about strategy, how to deal with your CC, positioning, etc. Your videos have saved my day!!! Greetings from Colombia!!
You've been answering every question I had about sub pvp rogues since december 2020. Gotta only thank you. Congratz for the channel, for this video, and for playing chess which is awesome. Hope you're following Tata Steel 2021 cause things are hot out there!
I started playing in Shadowlands and all of these tips looks so overwhelming to me, i get panic and cant do shit, i need to understand better rotation and be able to do it
Really loving these kind of videos. I've decided to try my hand in arena with my Rogue after a long time, suffice to say I'm not that good, but this is definitely helping me. Thank you.
New Rogue here. Haven't finished the video but did want to ask this question before I forgot. A bit before 4:30, would full Kidney-> Sap -> Blind be a better rotation for the Shaman? His trink is up so either he's locked down in a full sap or he trinks and you full blind, right? Thank you for these videos!
Love it. Thank you for pointing this out for me. Would love to see something that is a dedicated guide to rogue mage. Strengths. Weaknesses. Some tough comps (war/pally). Common goes. Breakdown of the DRs they share. Etc. I’m newer, so I don’t know what a lot of these other comps can do. And find it tough to anticipate. I just don’t have the time to go learn every class, just to know how to fight it. I’m just spitballing at this point. Lol Thank you Pal! Love love
Finished watching the video. It's really nice to see these tips for RM. Something that might make it really hit home, is to show what a clean "go" looks like. Where you open, get cds, restealth, 2nd go with kidney -> blind -> sap to really show what you mean when you say "16 seconds of cc." Would love to see that! Really enjoying your YT and Twitch content, keep it up buddy!
Really great to see this.. Me being a sub rogue and my partner, a mage (beginner, arcane one) and we were like randomly pressing buttons! We'll be doing a lot of practices (after making him change to Fire :D ) in Skirmishes and try the things you told in this Vid. Think you Palumor and Tiptoejoe, my Shadowy friends...
Very nice to follow, very easy to understand,even if you dont know other classes pretty well. I wont open on heal every again i guess xD, i just want to see way waayy more of these coaching. Please!, there's always sth i did not know so far and every single one of your videos are the best example for that.
Hi Palumor. Great video, again :) Just wanted to ask you about the addon big debuffs (how do i make it so it shows all the time ? Now it only shows on the target, not both of them), what is the setting? Like in minute 2:27. Thx in advance. Thx
can I suggest a video theme? you could make a video explaining what to expect about the other classes, their defensive and offensive CDS and how we should deal with it (in general) ... I am a few years out of wow and I realized that there are a lot of changes in the classes .. .
what's the setting to see arena unit frames without the gladius addon , i don't see them anymore after the arena begins and i don't see what trinket they're using too , pls can sb help me with this
If i may add some suggestions : ( not sure but i think it works ) you couldnt sap the sham cose he sent his pet on you to stun you and i think you can evasion that stun . considering its double caster , probably the only time you want to use it . opening with blades means you can open with cheapshot on the target so you can keep your kidney for the off target . follow the sap with a sheep or if not a blind , also would probably recomend to use combust in the opener to get a massive pressure , causing them to trinket or die in the opener . Then the fact that you use your shadow dance and run instantly , you end up with 0 dances when you got the kill . Also if you are playing with the guy that gives your mastery a boost when you use your covenant ( sepsis ) , you should use it in the opener to make your finishers stronger .
I agree with everything other than using Sepsis! This spell is pretty poor in the opener from what I tested, the mastery buff doesn't outweigh the damage of just using shadowstrike in terms of burst. Maybe if it's an all in more damage overall but that'd be the only reason and I wouldn't waste it in the crit window!
@@Palumor probably , cant really say i m still playing kyrian and i m mentioning the covenant to get mastery because i was always wondering why other rogues do bigger evisc than me . and it was because of that . i was playing with the 2nd guy and therefore didnt have the mastery buff and i see a difference .
I know mage rogue is what most people are playing right now but I would love to see some breakdowns of clips from rogues who are playing different comps, maybe some that don't have perfect synergy with each other so you can talk about what to do when you can't cross cc and go so easily as you can with mage rogue. I don't know if anybody but me would be interested in that stuff but I play with a small group of friends and none of them have ever played a mage so I've had to try and make weird comps work for a long time.
I did record heaps of games but the problem is there is only so much coaching to apply to playing off comps. If you're playing Rogue warrior you can play 2s flawlessly but you will literally just lose games because the comp is so bad. I try to be the most consistent and relevant although I'd love to help everyone, sorry about that!
@@Palumor I know that all too well since one of my friends mains is a warrior..yea it's just bad. Doesn't matter how good you play, so I understand no worries.
Hey Pal, would you recommend ilvl over stat priority for sub rogue or vice versa? For example would you rather get a +10 ilvl upgrade but the item stats would change from mastery to haste or would you get no ilvl upgrade at all but the item stats would change from haste to crit?
Hey Palumor, I play rogue/hunter in 2s and im having a hard time VS rogue/mage comps. Most of the time we cant find the rogue and we are forced to open on the mage before my hunter's stealth expires. What would you do VS that team? And ive noticed VS that team the rogue will blind my hunter during our opener on the mage so it cancels a lot of my hunter's burst on the mage and my hunter doesnt trinket the blind because we dont want the rogue to CS/KS him. We open the mage with shadowy duel and cheap shot.
You can always sduel to peel for your hunter! I'd recommend trinketing stuns if they have burst up, but if they have no combust or rogue CDs you can trinket elsewise.
Hi Palumor! When can we expect to get chess guides from you? Would really love to learn the secrets of the 3rd move spiky head sac strategy so I can dominate in chess as well! Thanks!
my earpiece just broke in the same exact way, im literally just holding it on with the pressure from my headphones themselves and the actual size of the memory foam bit.
Love your videos, you make by far the best rogue guides.Could you please give me an advice on what addons to use as sub rogue in general( to see stunns and debuffs clearly, dr tracker...,while still keeping the blizzard ui) . And do you think I am screwed if I picked Venthyr covenant ? XD
Dude Palumor, this is exactly what I need to see, some sub rogue analysis to improve my own gameplay! Please do more of these!! ❤️ I also recently got into chess lul
Man sorry if i ask this,sure a tone of people already asked,but do you know the name of that addon where you see deffensives used on the right end of the enemy target name plate?
happen to get any rogue ret pally videos? we seem to struggle vs healers and priests of all specs, I assume I just need need to be more on point with the cc and trust my pally to do most of the dmg?
@@Palumor right on i defiantly like opening with a full kidney on the off target, how do you know who to focus weather is healer or dps? Or does that even matter as long as you get one target cced?
Hotdamn maybe I shouldn't open on druids anymore LMAO. Returning player It's been about 8 years but really learn a little something new each day from videos! Love the positive vibe and your sense of humor keep it up bro!
Got that asmongold vibe going on with that shirt with the collar stretched out like its been worn all week XD! love the content subbed, which doesn't happen often. Keep it coming!
Im playing rogue mage (me rogue) and im struggling at 1400 and feeling gatekeeped since im only 204 itemlevel, im getting so annoyed and litterally dont know what to do anymore
Got 1600 while playing rbgs, feeling like a rbg andy now, but at least im not the only one hating on ilvl difference in lower bracket 2s. Btw keep up your amazing work on explaining Things about rogue, (switched from kyrian instantly to nightfae After i saw your video and it feels Great up to this day!!)
very good advice you have for this guy, I'd point out 2 things mostly 1. get more aware about how DR works 2. play with your matte this is not chess, your turn is with his :D
I mostly play with any random who wants to do some arena. Hardest part seems to be making the other person aware of what does and doesn't share DR. So many times just like in this vid a mage will DB and completely negate the possibility of going for a blind/sap kill setup.
I feel your pain man! This is a huge part of climbing and it's going to come down to adapting to the concept that most people you play with at YOUR current rating will suck. You're going to have to do very aggro things like blinding asap to get most value and what not to carry the momentum of games. Other than that you might need to just meet more people or teach those you play with!
Palumor, u cant re sap shaman on first game, because of pet, it keeps him in combat he could've cheap shotted him then stepped to the mage and reset, good videos keep it up man!
i edited this because i felt like i was being a smartass...as Palumor said try and use your CDs more offensively. like take care of one guy to go HAMMMM on the other. don't be so quick to disengage and go looking for the reset :thumbsup:
Instead of Mage and rouge I could see the Lock and Rouge. Cause lock Affle Heals So much And as a rouge You Just wait for Invis To Finish Them or even Deso Sub Is even Good but let s see How they may change The classes
onet hing : seems a lot of 2400+ players in 1600 brackets currently ( maybe im wrong?) disc priests -> cant do shit i feel like, warriors -> just get me out of here.. help? :/
palumor is the best frend i ever had in this world
Make more of these please. Maybe explaining what the general game plan is for mage rogue these days.
Then expanding on it. When is it better to sap into greater pyro vs cs into burst rotation
100% this. I watch all your videos and try to follow your stream. I learn a lot from it, but I somehow feel like I could use a "game plan" video. Maybe even considering different enemy comps, how to counter them, ... That would be awesome!
Thanks, I really really liked this, it's very helpful to learn not only the things you should do but also things you shouldn't. I'm completely new with my Rouge and I was main Hunter so, it's been pretty difficult to learn how to use it since it doesn't really have a certain rotation. I've watched many many guides but don't really find a lot of information about strategy, how to deal with your CC, positioning, etc. Your videos have saved my day!!! Greetings from Colombia!!
You've been answering every question I had about sub pvp rogues since december 2020. Gotta only thank you.
Congratz for the channel, for this video, and for playing chess which is awesome. Hope you're following Tata Steel 2021 cause things are hot out there!
Love the vods man it's a good way to retain info for sure
Can you do a video of the classes that share DRs? Something like that from your explanation would be good, maybe even just DRs for Rogue comps
I started playing in Shadowlands and all of these tips looks so overwhelming to me, i get panic and cant do shit, i need to understand better rotation and be able to do it
Really loving these kind of videos. I've decided to try my hand in arena with my Rogue after a long time, suffice to say I'm not that good, but this is definitely helping me. Thank you.
New Rogue here. Haven't finished the video but did want to ask this question before I forgot. A bit before 4:30, would full Kidney-> Sap -> Blind be a better rotation for the Shaman? His trink is up so either he's locked down in a full sap or he trinks and you full blind, right? Thank you for these videos!
I think sap>resaps if possible>kidney>blind are all fine here in any order you can get them off really! Just need that CC to help finish the lock!
Love it. Thank you for pointing this out for me. Would love to see something that is a dedicated guide to rogue mage. Strengths. Weaknesses. Some tough comps (war/pally). Common goes. Breakdown of the DRs they share. Etc.
I’m newer, so I don’t know what a lot of these other comps can do. And find it tough to anticipate. I just don’t have the time to go learn every class, just to know how to fight it.
I’m just spitballing at this point. Lol
Thank you Pal! Love love
Finished watching the video. It's really nice to see these tips for RM. Something that might make it really hit home, is to show what a clean "go" looks like. Where you open, get cds, restealth, 2nd go with kidney -> blind -> sap to really show what you mean when you say "16 seconds of cc." Would love to see that! Really enjoying your YT and Twitch content, keep it up buddy!
Really great to see this.. Me being a sub rogue and my partner, a mage (beginner, arcane one) and we were like randomly pressing buttons! We'll be doing a lot of practices (after making him change to Fire :D ) in Skirmishes and try the things you told in this Vid. Think you Palumor and Tiptoejoe, my Shadowy friends...
Very nice to follow, very easy to understand,even if you dont know other classes pretty well. I wont open on heal every again i guess xD, i just want to see way waayy more of these coaching. Please!, there's always sth i did not know so far and every single one of your videos are the best example for that.
Hi Palumor. Great video, again :)
Just wanted to ask you about the addon big debuffs (how do i make it so it shows all the time ? Now it only shows on the target, not both of them), what is the setting?
Like in minute 2:27.
Thx in advance.
Thx
Bigdebuffs
@@drpepin hi. I know the addon. I want to know about the setting
Hey dude! Jose is right, it's just BigDebuffs default setting! Thanks for helping Jose.
this was super helpfful! Thanks Palumor for making such great rogue tutorials
can I suggest a video theme? you could make a video explaining what to expect about the other classes, their defensive and offensive CDS and how we should deal with it (in general) ... I am a few years out of wow and I realized that there are a lot of changes in the classes .. .
True. I think that's honestly what holds some otherwise good players back is just missing out on game knowledge
what's the setting to see arena unit frames without the gladius addon , i don't see them anymore after the arena begins and i don't see what trinket they're using too , pls can sb help me with this
I'm not sure sorry!
Look at Sarena add-on
I like how in the final words you just have to call on JMac, makes my morning :)
Kinda destroyed all credibility this channel had with that line IMO
@@joshuamacdonaldmusic He's doing it for the views
If i may add some suggestions : ( not sure but i think it works ) you couldnt sap the sham cose he sent his pet on you to stun you and i think you can evasion that stun . considering its double caster , probably the only time you want to use it . opening with blades means you can open with cheapshot on the target so you can keep your kidney for the off target . follow the sap with a sheep or if not a blind , also would probably recomend to use combust in the opener to get a massive pressure , causing them to trinket or die in the opener . Then the fact that you use your shadow dance and run instantly , you end up with 0 dances when you got the kill . Also if you are playing with the guy that gives your mastery a boost when you use your covenant ( sepsis ) , you should use it in the opener to make your finishers stronger .
I agree with everything other than using Sepsis! This spell is pretty poor in the opener from what I tested, the mastery buff doesn't outweigh the damage of just using shadowstrike in terms of burst. Maybe if it's an all in more damage overall but that'd be the only reason and I wouldn't waste it in the crit window!
@@Palumor probably , cant really say i m still playing kyrian and i m mentioning the covenant to get mastery because i was always wondering why other rogues do bigger evisc than me . and it was because of that . i was playing with the 2nd guy and therefore didnt have the mastery buff and i see a difference .
@@Blindsaplol Well best of luck! Cheers
I know mage rogue is what most people are playing right now but I would love to see some breakdowns of clips from rogues who are playing different comps, maybe some that don't have perfect synergy with each other so you can talk about what to do when you can't cross cc and go so easily as you can with mage rogue. I don't know if anybody but me would be interested in that stuff but I play with a small group of friends and none of them have ever played a mage so I've had to try and make weird comps work for a long time.
I did record heaps of games but the problem is there is only so much coaching to apply to playing off comps. If you're playing Rogue warrior you can play 2s flawlessly but you will literally just lose games because the comp is so bad. I try to be the most consistent and relevant although I'd love to help everyone, sorry about that!
@@Palumor I know that all too well since one of my friends mains is a warrior..yea it's just bad. Doesn't matter how good you play, so I understand no worries.
@@muscacholi Sorry man! Thanks for the support regardless
Same man none of my friends play mage :/
@@dylanchavez7498 lfg tool OP!
Hey Pal, would you recommend ilvl over stat priority for sub rogue or vice versa? For example would you rather get a +10 ilvl upgrade but the item stats would change from mastery to haste or would you get no ilvl upgrade at all but the item stats would change from haste to crit?
iLvl for sure! Agility is huge.
@@Palumor ok thanks alot! :)
Hey Palumor, I play rogue/hunter in 2s and im having a hard time VS rogue/mage comps. Most of the time we cant find the rogue and we are forced to open on the mage before my hunter's stealth expires. What would you do VS that team? And ive noticed VS that team the rogue will blind my hunter during our opener on the mage so it cancels a lot of my hunter's burst on the mage and my hunter doesnt trinket the blind because we dont want the rogue to CS/KS him. We open the mage with shadowy duel and cheap shot.
You can always sduel to peel for your hunter! I'd recommend trinketing stuns if they have burst up, but if they have no combust or rogue CDs you can trinket elsewise.
Hi Palumor! When can we expect to get chess guides from you? Would really love to learn the secrets of the 3rd move spiky head sac strategy so I can dominate in chess as well! Thanks!
It's a classic. Slide the ballsack crown left then tower rush up.
Can't have enought vids like this! Thanks a lot :)
my earpiece just broke in the same exact way, im literally just holding it on with the pressure from my headphones themselves and the actual size of the memory foam bit.
Love your videos, you make by far the best rogue guides.Could you please give me an advice on what addons to use as sub rogue in general( to see stunns and debuffs clearly, dr tracker...,while still keeping the blizzard ui) . And do you think I am screwed if I picked Venthyr covenant ? XD
I have a whole macro video! Venthyr is definitely weakest too.
Dude Palumor, this is exactly what I need to see, some sub rogue analysis to improve my own gameplay! Please do more of these!! ❤️ I also recently got into chess lul
Man sorry if i ask this,sure a tone of people already asked,but do you know the name of that addon where you see deffensives used on the right end of the enemy target name plate?
BigDebuffs!
@@Palumor ty very much,and keep up the good work.learning a lot out of each vid
This was great to watch thanks, please do some more if you can.
happen to get any rogue ret pally videos? we seem to struggle vs healers and priests of all specs, I assume I just need need to be more on point with the cc and trust my pally to do most of the dmg?
I'd just hoj 1 and kidney one at same time for your goes! Sap off if you can/blind!
@@Palumor right on i defiantly like opening with a full kidney on the off target, how do you know who to focus weather is healer or dps? Or does that even matter as long as you get one target cced?
@@emac9274 Playing double dps you almost always go for the DPS and CC healer.
Hotdamn maybe I shouldn't open on druids anymore LMAO. Returning player It's been about 8 years but really learn a little something new each day from videos! Love the positive vibe and your sense of humor keep it up bro!
Got that asmongold vibe going on with that shirt with the collar stretched out like its been worn all week XD! love the content subbed, which doesn't happen often. Keep it coming!
Lmao. U caught me.
Is the hairline in danger? Thats why the bandana right, it has already started has it?
This guy may not be the highest rated rogue on youtube, but he's the best teacher/entertainer for sure. Best rogue channel ever!
Ignoring alts, I'm about the 20-25th Rogue on the NA ladder right now! I will get there slowly haha, but I appreciate you. :)
Do a video on how to fight each class. What is most important to know, big cds, etc.
Already in the works.
Hey Pal! I've been using sepsis in my burst opener for the mastery buff, yesterday I was able to burst a 45k HP bear before they could pop defensives
Can you maybe give the rotation you used in your burst? Thanks! :)
I personally don't like it! I tested the damage and shadowstrike always does more in short windows!
Fair enough! For my play style it helps me deal with high HP players in a very short time frame
@@T-Awnix Fair, I just wouldn't advise putting it in during crit window! Applying it pre vanish for a crit window could be really nice!
Great vids ! Would love to have the CR these games are played at too
This was excellent, probably the most helpful arena vid I've seen
Awesome vid Pal! I learned a few tricks here. Would you consider doing one with rogue + healer vs dps + healer? Please :)
My footage is not in the video because there is no point in only reviewing victories
Thanks for the great content :)
Please make more Videos like that, you doing a great job dude.
Awesome content mate
Im playing rogue mage (me rogue) and im struggling at 1400 and feeling gatekeeped since im only 204 itemlevel, im getting so annoyed and litterally dont know what to do anymore
Get that ilvl up homie! I believe!
Got 1600 while playing rbgs, feeling like a rbg andy now, but at least im not the only one hating on ilvl difference in lower bracket 2s. Btw keep up your amazing work on explaining Things about rogue, (switched from kyrian instantly to nightfae After i saw your video and it feels Great up to this day!!)
Headbands first merch?
Also 07:30 Positioning there is absolute garbage, why stand on their side? When you have a stealthed druid?
He is learning man!
really really helpful video mate thanks and great job (fusesid here) :)
fuse Pog!
Didn't think to use shadowy duel as a defensive CD. Great idea.
Every time different intro which i really like keep the great work my fellow rogue
Nice stream and nice videos, you don't have to stay up 24 hours, we need you in good shape, keep the content and the part with couching is awsome!!!!!
More of these videos! really informative! :)
Did you change the video title or am I tripping ?
Like 20x. I really fked my arse in the algorithm.
This was great! Please do more reviews.
Ok this convinced me to subscribe. Really good video. Still cant bring myself to switch covenants again tho lol
Perfectly executed opener
Really love these style commentary videos, I feel like I probably make all the same mistakes as these guys.
Thanks, that is really helpful ! :D
very good advice you have for this guy, I'd point out 2 things mostly 1. get more aware about how DR works 2. play with your matte this is not chess, your turn is with his :D
good stuff dude, would love more :)
Awesome videos! New rogue here trying to git gud.
I mostly play with any random who wants to do some arena. Hardest part seems to be making the other person aware of what does and doesn't share DR. So many times just like in this vid a mage will DB and completely negate the possibility of going for a blind/sap kill setup.
I feel your pain man! This is a huge part of climbing and it's going to come down to adapting to the concept that most people you play with at YOUR current rating will suck. You're going to have to do very aggro things like blinding asap to get most value and what not to carry the momentum of games. Other than that you might need to just meet more people or teach those you play with!
Really like the content. A bit speedy and I’m not as knowledgeable as I’d like to be, but cool stuff!
God Of Intros
Algorithm. Liked, commented, subscribed.
Awesome, thank you!
y r the butterflies pooping on his wall
awesome content pal thank you
Palumor, u cant re sap shaman on first game, because of pet, it keeps him in combat he could've cheap shotted him then stepped to the mage and reset, good videos keep it up man!
I love your videos mate
i like this! pls do more of it
thank palu for tips pls show us more videos like this
Cobra Kai never dies
Think pointing out just the biggest mistakes that could turn the game around, so you can have more short clips, would be quite nice. Just an idea. :)
please record matchup RM vs dk+any healer
JMAC LOL good vids man appreciate the analysis
i edited this because i felt like i was being a smartass...as Palumor said try and use your CDs more offensively. like take care of one guy to go HAMMMM on the other. don't be so quick to disengage and go looking for the reset :thumbsup:
Didn't see pre-edit but thanks. :)
@@Palumor it wasn’t aimed at you Palumor, more at Tiptoejoe but I didn’t think it good for community spirit 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@AL Gorithm , Suh dude.
2nd comment. Too band u dont need us anymore
Instead of Mage and rouge I could see the Lock and Rouge. Cause lock Affle Heals So much And as a rouge You Just wait for Invis To Finish Them or even Deso Sub Is even Good but let s see How they may change The classes
I would but noone submitted that comps gameplay!
i can teach you chess ( i was a 3 times champion back to back at high school :D...) and you can keep making these videos to teach me play rogue better
Interesting..
Nice vid, thx
Love your videos. Make more pve content please!
That second game had to be 1k or below mmr
Sup homie, It's Wings
Rogue couldn't resap in first game because ele had his earth elemental out.
I doubt that same rogue even thought about resapping there
Gladiator BokBok
Anytime my Mage and me see a ww monk
We all in him and cheese every time it feels
We are having trouble with warrior pally right now
Definitely takes a lot more time to get through war hpal CDs!
Agreed
Bubble Is a total show stopper
It's just trying to keep getting good resets on everything for the next go
U cant stop losing cause losing is learning
LOL my man.
@@Palumor For changing title i liked and subscribed keep up the great work :D!
@@minddriver1806 Thanks dude I'm just desperate for higher click rate, first title and thumbnail didn't do shit
This was very helpful"
great video
haha the og himself!
i love this guy
The pals love you.
Please more :D
This rogue is so frustrating to watch 😬
F for my boy Joe
“Please like me” honest and funny 👌🏻
onet hing : seems a lot of 2400+ players in 1600 brackets currently ( maybe im wrong?) disc priests -> cant do shit i feel like, warriors -> just get me out of here.. help? :/
Yup..been facing gladiators non stop in 1600. With 225 gear.......can't progress any further
Lol sorry to hear. Think of it as an opportunity to practice vs higher rated players!
You cant resap shaman on first play his pet was in combat!!
Good point. :)
Just want to get hearted by Palumor
Got you homie
wtf this start XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
I don't like you I love you ❤️ and Kraft Mac n cheese
I need palumor to Carry me I'm some rated 2v2 double rogue, to help me get combatant as I have no friends
Come to my stream some time!
Me too im worried ill do terrible in arena for i have not done arenas since legion
Nice cat
Not true, He can seduce one of them. Like a godlike warlock as I am