I've studied American politics (mainly foreign policy) since 1980 and haven't one single positive word to say about what has happened since then. Four words dominate my perception; Greed, Lies, Oppression and Exploitation. Sad but true.
I was a teen in the 90s and first started getting my political leanings then. I liked the idea of Bush Sr.'s "compassionate conservatism" and was disappointed by his loss in '92, then started to fall for Limbaugh's fiery rhetoric. Then I grew up.
The kind of scary thing is that even Dubya Bush seems almost likable compared to a lot of the candidates we see now. I was in my early 20s when he was president and at the time I thought he was an utter embarrassment and couldn't get worse than that- boy was I wrong.
I was born in the 90’s and had a similar trajectory. I thought Republicans were the better group, but I was also like “School says racism is bad, and Church says we can’t just have homeless and disabled people starving in the streets, they should be helped.” My Christian morals and liberal upbringing conflicted with the realities of Conservatism, culminating in hearing a vitriolic segment from Michael Savage fully breaking me away from any illusions that I was really a conservative.
In my opinion at the time, one of the most authoritarian things that I witnessed in the 90s was how my mom would limit the number of cookies that me and my brother were allowed to eat, and I strongly believed that it represented a real failing of the cultural discourse that more people weren’t talking about this. Later, in the early 2000s, I came to understand that cookies are arguably actually more enjoyable when handled responsibly.
@32:00 they talk about the way Republicans have managed to obscure the conflicts of interest between Billionaire owners and the regular working class. There is a really good paper about the deliberate attempt to di this after WW1 called, *Against the Classes and the Masses: The American Legion, The American Federation of Labor, and Square Deal Americanism in the 1920s* by Gregory Hopely.
This is one of the better interviews y’all have had in a while. I was born in 84 so there’s a lot of context that’s easy to miss when just reading about past presidencies and the movements surrounding them
They always do that - 100% of the time - look at Elmo musk - he has made most of his money from government - and all he does is tries to tear it down I guess it is so no one else can have a chance like he did . it is the same with all of them
Carrying Limbaugh's bags?? LOL. However... as an honorary WASP, this makes sense to me. It is a very WASPy thing to do for a number of reasons that I'll try to articulate: It shows you aren't pretentious (at least, not about your actions), and that you know the Protestant values of work, humility, and being healthy (and might be a fun sporting chap -- although I doubt that's what Limbo was about). WASPs try to show their wealth subtly, if at all, and even sometimes contradictorily: the more worn a WASP's Sperrys are, the more time he spends sailing (I think this is only true of kids, tbh. But I was kicked out of the sailing club when I turned 18 and didn't pay the adult dues). So they try to minimize the visibility of the servants. (Victorians created all kinds of neat inventions for this purpose) Also, I assume Limbaugh is Irish, right? At that time, to some people in the Northeast, I bet that fact was still notable
A deeper dive needs to be done about the impact of the Branch Davidian siege on American politics. Because that launched a lot of the conspiracist right.
And “The Patriot Movement” Just after The Waco Siege, the White Supremacists, Christian Nationalists (think Church of the Creator) and Sovereign Citizens militias got together and rebranded themselves as “Patriots”… because they got their fee fees hurt when people called them 🌰zis
No - they were already there - it just validated their "theories " but the thing is with these people - reality has very little to do with it . And all that is rooted in racism too. that is why you see confederate flags
Always remember, Trump isn't an anomaly, he's an inevitability. Once Nixon established "law and order" as a perpetual campaign theme, Reagan established Evangelicals as a core constituency, and the default position became forgiveness of ethical and legal infractions from the GOP "for the good of the country," we were inevitably headed Trumpward.
I agree you highlight flexion points, and I share your conclusion. Yet I make a fundamentally different argument. By exchanging timocracy for mob-pandering --cough, democracy-- we consciously eschewed the Constitution and the admonitions of the Founders, not to say 2000 years of settled opinion. "A Republic if you can keep it."
I live in Virginia and over the past 32 years there have been 20 years of Democrat president and only 12 years of Republican so you can’t say that our country is Morgan terminated because since 1990 to 1990s it’s been definitely more left and since 2008 or 2009 it’s been going more and more left from what I’ve observed, was looking at it from A distance and objectively
@@montrelouisebohon-harris7023 I don't understand how you can describe Drumpf45 as Right (or Left). Just consider all the "Christians" who now feel Jesus is too Liberal; he's not evening "conserving" Christianity.
@@montrelouisebohon-harris7023 I'm honestly not sure what you were trying to say, but government is more than the President. It's Congress. It's the courts. It's the states. Gridlock plays a roll, and Republicans have worked mightily to gridlock the government when they can't control it.
1:51 Hahaha. I am 100% on board with what Sam was getting at here, but this is fantastic bit material. “Now just hold on a second, that doesn’t make any sense: clocks only _tell_ the time, they don’t _create_ the time!” “Yeah!!! And ALSO, seconds aren’t tangible objects, so we can’t physically hold onto them!!” Historians please file this under times that Sam has stood up for the interests of the autism spectrum community. 🤣👌
That's ultimately my biggest problem with Biden. Its a competitive election where it should not be at all. That was a similiar fear many expressed about Hilary Clinton often being in Margin of Error territory with trump, but back then a lot of people didn't believe Trump would be capable of winning. In the face of that reaction, and everything that has happened since 2016, the fact biden is polling below trump is unacceptable.
@@eatfrenchtoast Um, lifting the 35% market ownership for one media company?? Led to vertical integration and synergies created by a consolidation of the industry? This is why we have 5 media corporations controlling all the world's media?
Repeal and replace with competent input, designed to thwart fascist propaganda mills, and reinstate the Fairness Doctrine. Deregulation is 99.9999% of the time an economic and social contract scam which tends toward monopoly. And here we are throwing AI into the morass with Citizens United. Smh....
After Dan. Quail went against Murphy Brown, he realized that going after a (fictional) mother and baby was not a great look. So he, Quail, sent the (fictional) baby a gift. Where he sent that gift I don't know, but he made sure that the media knew that he did it. Americans were new to that level of political banality. Now, of course, we are used to it. Nixon, who was viewed as the devil himself by the liberals and leftists of his day, actually was kind of liberal in many areas in. comparison to the Republican, and in some ways, even. the Democratic, presidents that were to come.
Quayle understood the importance of the media - that is what he came from - his family owned newspapers - in Indiana - and I think Illinois. yes Nixon would never be welcomed in Maga he would be considered way too liberal for them - he was just not functionally retarded
Nixon actually did a thing or 2 right,but he did a lot of things wrong,like the HMO healthcare system, there's actually a recording of him talking about giving people less healthcare through some new plan the very next day he's on tv saying how great it's going to be
Side note. My band at that time was hired to play a party on a Saturday I believe it was. On Friday I happened to see a newspaper article that there would be a rally the following day featuring David David as guest speaker in the same parking lot we were supposed to play in. I immediately called my band mates and told them,and of we of course said fuck no we aren’t showing up for that. So we didn’t and were fired from our regular club gig since the owner had something to do with the rally. A bit of Louisiana history. Duke was running for governor against famously corrupt Edwin Edwards. The bumper stickers said “Vote For The Crook”.
That's one of the main reason I believe he won in 2016. I have been voting Independent ever since jimmy Carter but voted for Trump because he represented that Third Party feel. It was not long before I saw that a lot what he did was just "smoke and mirrors" and he was good at it but not really changing policies. Yet, because he talked and talked and praised himself over and over again people actually started believing that he really accomplished thing he actually did not. Going on right wing websites people believe that he brought manufacturing home from abroad, that he changed the entire immigration system, that he changed Obamacare, that he did a great job during Covid and on adn on. That's the power of Trump - he sees a problem, does not really know how to fic it but convinces many people that he is the only person in the universe that can fix those things.
i'm voting for the guy who's 3rd party, but it's changed a couple times this year which one. a guy who found the green party to be too factionalized and political. i'm voting for cornel west. lol, i actually remember when he used to be a pundit on meet the press (not to be confused with cornel belcher, who currently is)
I'm the same age so I remember all this stuff, too. And it's great to realize that the adults were wrong when they said "you just couldn't understand", because now I know that they didn't get it either, and in fact, a lot of it just didn't make any sense at all
When you get the steering wheel (a metaphor for some kind of control) and you realize that life still sucks in a capitalist, reductionist, scarcity-based social structure, you get mad and you need your mommy. That's Rush Limbaugh and all tea partiers and all MAGA in a nutshell.
Sam, I hope Matt or someone sees this. But I teach AP US history and I need you to come in and teach all of us about the history of conservatism. Yes I do the Reagan and pat buchanan but we need a cultural significance
If Volinsky can do it - so can Jon Stewart. A Jon Stewart - Aoc ticket...imagine...His cabinet would be his writers doin what they are now - because we get it. Both Comedians. Clinton stole the wallstreet donors repug angle and they hated it.
What eventually became the Civil Rights Act of 1992 was the impetus for one of the most notorious political ads in my memory - Jesse Helms’s “white hands” commercial.
Lim "BAW"? This guy is making me nuts!! I feel like Sam is helping this guy along revising his Master's thesis. 😂 Any example Sam brought up like Clinton in Mickey D's, etc. this guy was like "yea" 😅
I wasn’t really paying attention to politics in 1992 when Perot was a presidential candidate. I was 42 and had only voted for democrats since 1972 bc I knew the main goal of every republican was to repeal Roe. I was married with 2 young children, and Perot said the US debt was going to crush our children and grandchildren, and he was prochoice so I voted 3rd party for him. But since then, I have never voted for a candidate that wasn't democrat and prochoice.
You voted for Perot even though he'd completely, mysteriously dropped out of the race several months before November ??? You and I are the same age. I felt forced to vote for Clinton with deep , perplexed disappointment and regret ever since.
Great Stuff! Year End Special Replay Worthy! Will be listening to audiobook later! Also we use to call Bill Clinton “Elvis Kennedy” - he was a sophisticated hick , which was common in Arkansas. Thank You!
Not so much authoritarian as nihilist, and the nihilism leads to authoritarianism. Franklin described it, at the end of the 2nd Constitutional convention, as a matter of character and corruption.
I'll never forget Bush's "Read my lips" moment. One of the most effective campaign ads by the democrats was when they used it against him. Also Dan Quayle not being able to spell potato wasn't a good look.
We need to dive into what will make for effective and middle-of-the-road immigration policy. We should not abandon this issue to people mainly motivated by anger, rumor, and impatience.
I think it was the 60’s for sure. The civil rights battle, and then some people getting sent to Vietnam while the others were partying at Woodstock has influenced politics for the past 50 years.
How many times these presenters have stumbled on their words, forgotten a name, I couldn't remember several different times in this conversation. Why do people judge old people for the same things they give themselves a pass for?
Exactly! I told my older sister to stop getting all upset if she occasionally forgets where she was in a conversation. That use to happen when we were younger as well but the difference then was we just shrugged it off. Now she goes immediately to wondering if she is getting senile
I think trump is getting to much credit in this discussion. I'm confident simeone was holding trump's hand. He was being spoon-fed this information. He has never been able to formulate these theories.
A few years back, early in Trump's campaign I found my news clippings from 1992 for my college newspaper columns. The Perot Voters statements, and the protectionist policies were strikingly, almost copied from Perot. My ex ditched my old clippings Archive a little later when she moved in. But the similarities were noticeable
In Marxism, communism - fully realized as the entire world having negated class, inequality, war, money, etc. - is "the end of history." Marx calls this higher stage communism "the riddle of history solved," referring to a core tenant of Marxism that all history is the history of class struggle. Communism, then, is "the end of man's exploitation of man." Fukuyama, much like the bourgeoisie in general, is happy to misrepresent the nature of communism/Marxism as stalinism or maoism. Therefore, the fall of the degenerated USSR represents the victory of bourgeois democracy over communism and socialism. 1991 was the real end of history, and we would sail into a prosperous future on the wings of liberal democracy. Things should only improve... See, if Donald Trump and Mikhail Gorbachev can eat pizza hut in Russia, then what can't we do!
Wean wrote that in Waco, they needed to retrieve weapons that were stolen from a national guard warehouse in Oxnard CA then further traced to Menachem Begin. And that at OKC, they needed retrieve documents which would have exposed their treachery in bonds and depredations S&L and of giant corporations
Thank you. 1. In 1992, the country was in an eight month recession in the middle of GH Bush's term, and the GOP had held the WH for 12 years, the longest in 44 years. 2. My ranking of the GOP Presidents in the last 50 years. Ford GH Bush Nixon GW Bush Reagan Trump
Ironic to listen to this podcast… I had to check the date … so much has changed since this talk with Ganz…bring him back and get him to update history… what a downer maybe get it to change! VOTE BLUE 🔷🔷💙🔷🇺🇸
Yeah, it's "funny" how when America "deals" with it's nonwhite enemies of the moment : Native Americans Afro Americans Vietnam Japan Iraq, etc ...they will raze that MF to the ground, AND salt the earth. But when it comes to LEGITIMATE threats to the state, who "happen" to be white : Confederates Neo Nazis KKK Zionists, etc ...it's all appeasement, pandering, and "boys will be boys"..... EVERYTHING that they're discussing can be traced back to the Confederacy Leaders not being duly executed for being traitors, and ripping out that poisoned tree by the roots...so now those same "ideals" aren't seen as wrong, Reconstruction is overthrown - another seditious act - and it regrows/rebrands/metastasizes through the Daughters of the Confederacy, Dixiecrats, Nixon's Southern Strategy, Reagan's Moral Majority, Lee Atwater, Pat Buchanan, Jesse Helms, the Tea Party, etc...into what MAGA is today and beyond..... I swear it's less that they never learn, and more like : "We had no INTENTION of ever learning."
He wasn't saying that the Murphy Brown stuff was the cause of the Rodney King incident but that the Right used it to deflect away from any obvious racist stuff by using a famous white person issue as the example of society breaking down and why. He's explaining how long the media style cultural stuff has been happening in order to manipulate people.
25:57 Limbau gh amped up what Jesse Helms and the National Congressional Club started in the 60's and 70's 31:40 They co-opted John Edwards 2 America's campaign
The destruction of the Soviet Union inevitably led to the fascist mess we're today. Anti-communism always helps fascists. Pin this if you care about fighting right-wing bigotry and exploitation.
Nixon would not be allowed anywhere near the Magas - Nixon created the EPA - he really - passed all domestic politics to Ehrlichman - who was socially liberal in a lot of ways - definitely was pro -environment which would be completely heretical. Trump and maga is all about some type of populism for retards which really is just a veiled racism. Nixon really cared less about domestic affairs - he was only interested in foreign policy . He used to say he could care less about who builds outhouses in Peoria - that was his interpretation of domestic politics
This conversation forgets the laws that Reagan changed that allowed media to be consolidated and centralized. This caused the rise of Limbaugh and Trump today. Conservative Propaganda
I've studied American politics (mainly foreign policy) since 1980 and haven't one single positive word to say about what has happened since then. Four words dominate my perception;
Greed, Lies, Oppression and Exploitation. Sad but true.
Those 4 words describe the country from it's founding.
It's probably not possible to understand the American "conservative" movement without including religion in that mix.
@@jimbob3030 FALSE
@@findbridge1790 You know absolutely nothing about history if you say that.
What is your world view based on, is it faith and indoctrination?
@@jimbob3030 see Anton Chaitkin,historian.
I was a teen in the 90s and first started getting my political leanings then. I liked the idea of Bush Sr.'s "compassionate conservatism" and was disappointed by his loss in '92, then started to fall for Limbaugh's fiery rhetoric.
Then I grew up.
I always thought it suspect they had to put the word "compassionate" in front of conservative. It was very telling
The kind of scary thing is that even Dubya Bush seems almost likable compared to a lot of the candidates we see now. I was in my early 20s when he was president and at the time I thought he was an utter embarrassment and couldn't get worse than that- boy was I wrong.
@@gary2kr1 I think it was done to try to make it more like "bleeding heart liberal" to be honest. A kind of "moderate" conservatism.
I was born in the 90’s and had a similar trajectory. I thought Republicans were the better group, but I was also like “School says racism is bad, and Church says we can’t just have homeless and disabled people starving in the streets, they should be helped.” My Christian morals and liberal upbringing conflicted with the realities of Conservatism, culminating in hearing a vitriolic segment from Michael Savage fully breaking me away from any illusions that I was really a conservative.
In my opinion at the time, one of the most authoritarian things that I witnessed in the 90s was how my mom would limit the number of cookies that me and my brother were allowed to eat, and I strongly believed that it represented a real failing of the cultural discourse that more people weren’t talking about this.
Later, in the early 2000s, I came to understand that cookies are arguably actually more enjoyable when handled responsibly.
Can't believe this was a 1 hour recording. Watched it twice. Goes by quickly!
@32:00 they talk about the way Republicans have managed to obscure the conflicts of interest between Billionaire owners and the regular working class.
There is a really good paper about the deliberate attempt to di this after WW1 called, *Against the Classes and the Masses: The American Legion, The American Federation of Labor, and Square Deal Americanism in the 1920s* by Gregory Hopely.
The spread of southern evangelicalism in the 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s throughout the rest of the country is also a large part of this story too.
Buchanan and Limbaugh! Two names that I would like to forget
Fascinating stroll through much of what we older folks lived through back then.
Very much so, a guest with much of value to say on those times and hosts that know what to ask to multiply that value.
@@czarkusa2018 I'm not sure of the value you note. Is there an action item you found?
Isn't it?
This is one of the better interviews y’all have had in a while. I was born in 84 so there’s a lot of context that’s easy to miss when just reading about past presidencies and the movements surrounding them
Exactly born in 85 and can concur
Perot made his money in Special Tax districts in Texas, then ran as anti-government and anti-tax. Pull up the ladder like a Libertarian.
They always do that - 100% of the time - look at Elmo musk - he has made most of his money from government - and all he does is tries to tear it down I guess it is so no one else can have a chance like he did . it is the same with all of them
Libertarians are just republicans who are embarassed to be called republican
Carrying Limbaugh's bags?? LOL. However... as an honorary WASP, this makes sense to me.
It is a very WASPy thing to do for a number of reasons that I'll try to articulate: It shows you aren't pretentious (at least, not about your actions), and that you know the Protestant values of work, humility, and being healthy (and might be a fun sporting chap -- although I doubt that's what Limbo was about).
WASPs try to show their wealth subtly, if at all, and even sometimes contradictorily: the more worn a WASP's Sperrys are, the more time he spends sailing (I think this is only true of kids, tbh. But I was kicked out of the sailing club when I turned 18 and didn't pay the adult dues). So they try to minimize the visibility of the servants. (Victorians created all kinds of neat inventions for this purpose)
Also, I assume Limbaugh is Irish, right? At that time, to some people in the Northeast, I bet that fact was still notable
A deeper dive needs to be done about the impact of the Branch Davidian siege on American politics. Because that launched a lot of the conspiracist right.
And “The Patriot Movement” Just after The Waco Siege, the White Supremacists, Christian Nationalists (think Church of the Creator) and Sovereign Citizens militias got together and rebranded themselves as “Patriots”… because they got their fee fees hurt when people called them 🌰zis
No - they were already there - it just validated their "theories " but the thing is with these people - reality has very little to do with it . And all that is rooted in racism too. that is why you see confederate flags
@@pjpredhomme7699yes.. confederate flags even in areas of the country that were not confederate
Just your standard "Turner Diary" right wing nonsense
Always remember, Trump isn't an anomaly, he's an inevitability. Once Nixon established "law and order" as a perpetual campaign theme, Reagan established Evangelicals as a core constituency, and the default position became forgiveness of ethical and legal infractions from the GOP "for the good of the country," we were inevitably headed Trumpward.
I agree you highlight flexion points, and I share your conclusion. Yet I make a fundamentally different argument. By exchanging timocracy for mob-pandering --cough, democracy-- we consciously eschewed the Constitution and the admonitions of the Founders, not to say 2000 years of settled opinion. "A Republic if you can keep it."
I live in Virginia and over the past 32 years there have been 20 years of Democrat president and only 12 years of Republican so you can’t say that our country is Morgan terminated because since 1990 to 1990s it’s been definitely more left and since 2008 or 2009 it’s been going more and more left from what I’ve observed, was looking at it from A distance and objectively
@@montrelouisebohon-harris7023 I don't understand how you can describe Drumpf45 as Right (or Left). Just consider all the "Christians" who now feel Jesus is too Liberal; he's not evening "conserving" Christianity.
@@montrelouisebohon-harris7023 I'm honestly not sure what you were trying to say, but government is more than the President. It's Congress. It's the courts. It's the states. Gridlock plays a roll, and Republicans have worked mightily to gridlock the government when they can't control it.
@@montrelouisebohon-harris7023 you forget the effects of the electoral college, and gerrymandering.
1:51 Hahaha. I am 100% on board with what Sam was getting at here, but this is fantastic bit material.
“Now just hold on a second, that doesn’t make any sense: clocks only _tell_ the time, they don’t _create_ the time!”
“Yeah!!! And ALSO, seconds aren’t tangible objects, so we can’t physically hold onto them!!”
Historians please file this under times that Sam has stood up for the interests of the autism spectrum community. 🤣👌
Can you hold on to Genius, Creativity, Mathematics, come on man.
@@philhiller-mn1gwI can, can’t you? ;)
um, sure, everything is about you, and there's no way that applies to literally everyone. you all are becoming elitists
great overview, extremely informative thank you!!
That's ultimately my biggest problem with Biden. Its a competitive election where it should not be at all. That was a similiar fear many expressed about Hilary Clinton often being in Margin of Error territory with trump, but back then a lot of people didn't believe Trump would be capable of winning. In the face of that reaction, and everything that has happened since 2016, the fact biden is polling below trump is unacceptable.
This started with Reagan.
Yep, I'm 65 and was paying attention then,Reagan did a lot of damage
The. 1996. Telecommunications. Act.
Opened up communication by forcing the bells to lease out their phone lines?
@@eatfrenchtoast Um, lifting the 35% market ownership for one media company?? Led to vertical integration and synergies created by a consolidation of the industry? This is why we have 5 media corporations controlling all the world's media?
@@organichumanintelligence Bingo!!!!
Repeal and replace with competent input, designed to thwart fascist propaganda mills, and reinstate the Fairness Doctrine. Deregulation is 99.9999% of the time an economic and social contract scam which tends toward monopoly. And here we are throwing AI into the morass with Citizens United. Smh....
@@eatfrenchtoast what's this game you're playing? monopoly! is that a dig at me [ma bell flips over board]
Rush Limbo! How low can he go? Well ... six feet under, I guess.
dope kills
And not a moment too soon
But it still annoys me that dtrumpf gave him the presidential medal of honor before he died. Horrible man that for some reason people listened to.
Limbaugh was lower than 6 ft under when he was alive
Surreal to watch this on 8/18/24. Barely a month and a half later, yet it feels like a completely different election cycle.
After Dan. Quail went against Murphy Brown, he realized that going after a (fictional) mother and baby was not a great look. So he, Quail, sent the (fictional) baby a gift. Where he sent that gift I don't know, but he made sure that the media knew that he did it.
Americans were new to that level of political banality. Now, of course, we are used to it.
Nixon, who was viewed as the devil himself by the liberals and leftists of his day, actually was kind of liberal in many areas in. comparison to the Republican, and in some ways, even. the Democratic, presidents that were to come.
Quayle understood the importance of the media - that is what he came from - his family owned newspapers - in Indiana - and I think Illinois. yes Nixon would never be welcomed in Maga he would be considered way too liberal for them - he was just not functionally retarded
Nixon actually did a thing or 2 right,but he did a lot of things wrong,like the HMO healthcare system, there's actually a recording of him talking about giving people less healthcare through some new plan the very next day he's on tv saying how great it's going to be
I was a teen in the 90's and I was repulsed by Limbaugh and Bucannon and all of those right wing nut jobs. Even in middle school I was aware.
This clock talk reminds me of when the Taliban in Afghanistan back in the days said the Americans have fancy watches but we have time.
wow. great line
Side note. My band at that time was hired to play a party on a Saturday I believe it was. On Friday I happened to see a newspaper article that there would be a rally the following day featuring David David as guest speaker in the same parking lot we were supposed to play in. I immediately called my band mates and told them,and of we of course said fuck no we aren’t showing up for that. So we didn’t and were fired from our regular club gig since the owner had something to do with the rally. A bit of Louisiana history. Duke was running for governor against famously corrupt Edwin Edwards. The bumper stickers said “Vote For The Crook”.
Good for you. What’s your bands name? Got a Bandcamp??
David dukes a heartless bastard
i think he has or had a show on fox news, just like ollie north
@@intellectually_lazyDavid Duke doesn't have a show on any TV network and never did that I know of.
Oh wow this is great a big get. This guy’s substack is a tour de force.
44:58 (great quote) “He combines the appeal of a third party candidate with a major party infrastructure.”
That's one of the main reason I believe he won in 2016. I have been voting Independent ever since jimmy Carter but voted for Trump because he represented that Third Party feel. It was not long before I saw that a lot what he did was just "smoke and mirrors" and he was good at it but not really changing policies. Yet, because he talked and talked and praised himself over and over again people actually started believing that he really accomplished thing he actually did not.
Going on right wing websites people believe that he brought manufacturing home from abroad, that he changed the entire immigration system, that he changed Obamacare, that he did a great job during Covid and on adn on.
That's the power of Trump - he sees a problem, does not really know how to fic it but convinces many people that he is the only person in the universe that can fix those things.
@@ingehansonpeople believe his lies.
i'm voting for the guy who's 3rd party, but it's changed a couple times this year which one. a guy who found the green party to be too factionalized and political. i'm voting for cornel west. lol, i actually remember when he used to be a pundit on meet the press (not to be confused with cornel belcher, who currently is)
@@leanordials8008 "his" lies have been aggressively peddled to the american people since the time of ronald reagan
@@intellectually_lazycornel West is a hack 😂
Roast Perot. Founded EDS-Electronic Data System.
Rosh Limbo?😂
I think it's like Sam's bill "Fryst" or Liz/Lynn cheny. It's great.
Rich Limpboy
How about rust limbawl? Lol
@@buddyflood6761 Raunch Limpballs
I'm the same age so I remember all this stuff, too. And it's great to realize that the adults were wrong when they said "you just couldn't understand", because now I know that they didn't get it either, and in fact, a lot of it just didn't make any sense at all
When you get the steering wheel (a metaphor for some kind of control) and you realize that life still sucks in a capitalist, reductionist, scarcity-based social structure, you get mad and you need your mommy. That's Rush Limbaugh and all tea partiers and all MAGA in a nutshell.
Sam, I hope Matt or someone sees this. But I teach AP US history and I need you to come in and teach all of us about the history of conservatism. Yes I do the Reagan and pat buchanan but we need a cultural significance
Murphy Brown and TV in general asked people to be empathic. White men who needed a hug said, "What about me?"
If Volinsky can do it - so can Jon Stewart. A Jon Stewart - Aoc ticket...imagine...His cabinet would be his writers doin what they are now - because we get it.
Both Comedians. Clinton stole the wallstreet donors repug angle and they hated it.
Is AOC 35 years old, the minimum age to become POTUS? Ok. She'll be 35 in October 2025. 9 months of uncertainty.
I wish that could have gone on for another hour!
What eventually became the Civil Rights Act of 1992 was the impetus for one of the most notorious political ads in my memory - Jesse Helms’s “white hands” commercial.
That was so mild compared to today.
just watched it. thanks for the tip. reminds me of the dead dad in american history x
That commercial ran in '90 when he campaigned against Harvey Gantt.
@@Bunty68 right. It mentions Ted Kennedy and quotas, which some claimed would be consequences of the civil rights act of 1990 (vetoed by GHW Bush).
This was so informative. Thank you to Mr Ganz and Emma.
Such an interesting show, thanks, John Ganz!
"You're no Jack Kennedy!"
Lim "BAW"? This guy is making me nuts!! I feel like Sam is helping this guy along revising his Master's thesis. 😂 Any example Sam brought up like Clinton in Mickey D's, etc. this guy was like "yea" 😅
I wasn’t really paying attention to politics in 1992 when Perot was a presidential candidate. I was 42 and had only voted for democrats since 1972 bc I knew the main goal of every republican was to repeal Roe. I was married with 2 young children, and Perot said the US debt was going to crush our children and grandchildren, and he was prochoice so I voted 3rd party for him. But since then, I have never voted for a candidate that wasn't democrat and prochoice.
You voted for Perot even though he'd completely, mysteriously dropped out of the race several months before November ???
You and I are the same age. I felt forced to vote for Clinton with deep , perplexed disappointment and regret ever since.
Very interesting era
I still think Michael Dukakis looked presidential driving that tank.
Yes, a civilian Commander in Chief who is as interested in peace as in war.
@@selfish-perverse-n-turbulent it was a sarcastic statement on my part.
@@Larrymh07 and I was sarcastic to your sarcasm. We really never needed a chicken hawk who played a tough guy in spaghetti westerns
Mr. Ganz's assessment is spot on. As are your's and Emma's Sam. I was 23 in 1990. I remember it all.
i was a precocious 14 year old
i got up and played war pigs the morning of the invasion of iraq. that really made a difference
and oh yeah, watched it on cnn that evening
@@intellectually_lazy It is an absolutely awesome song
I was a toddler in 1990, didn't start paying attention to what was going on with politics until 9/11 happened.
Great Stuff! Year End Special Replay Worthy!
Will be listening to audiobook later!
Also we use to call Bill Clinton “Elvis Kennedy” - he was a sophisticated hick , which was common in Arkansas.
Thank You!
The Pat Buchanan-Trump alignment is wild.
Not so much authoritarian as nihilist, and the nihilism leads to authoritarianism. Franklin described it, at the end of the 2nd Constitutional convention, as a matter of character and corruption.
I'll never forget Bush's "Read my lips" moment. One of the most effective campaign ads by the democrats was when they used it against him. Also Dan Quayle not being able to spell potato wasn't a good look.
How low can you go.. it starts with Rush limbo😂
Great video! More like these!
We need to dive into what will make for effective and middle-of-the-road immigration policy. We should not abandon this issue to people mainly motivated by anger, rumor, and impatience.
The "birthing" goes back much further. The Johnson/ Nixon years and likely before that.🤔
Modern conservatism is a combined reaction to FDR's New Deal and the civil rights movement of the '50s and '60s.
I think it was the 60’s for sure. The civil rights battle, and then some people getting sent to Vietnam while the others were partying at Woodstock has influenced politics for the past 50 years.
How many times these presenters have stumbled on their words, forgotten a name, I couldn't remember several different times in this conversation.
Why do people judge old people for the same things they give themselves a pass for?
Exactly! I told my older sister to stop getting all upset if she occasionally forgets where she was in a conversation. That use to happen when we were younger as well but the difference then was we just shrugged it off. Now she goes immediately to wondering if she is getting senile
I love the eord "scuttlebutt" is a nautical term for gossip. And boat people are such gossips.
Kamala for president...
* 90s doesn’t require an apostrophe so 90’s I’m afraid is wrong. I’m just saying. No hostility is implied. Best wishes to all.
I think trump is getting to much credit in this discussion. I'm confident simeone was holding trump's hand. He was being spoon-fed this information. He has never been able to formulate these theories.
I saw this all when "Eye of Newt" Gingrich got elected & became a Right-Wing Hero in '94.
Rush Limbo???? Can’t he pronounce his name right after all that study? lol 😂
A few years back, early in Trump's campaign I found my news clippings from 1992 for my college newspaper columns. The Perot Voters statements, and the protectionist policies were strikingly, almost copied from Perot. My ex ditched my old clippings Archive a little later when she moved in. But the similarities were noticeable
Limbo
Buchanan was born in Nixon's womb.
And Roger Stone, Rumsfeld, Chaney, and the Anti-Christ.
Time marches on. A clock only looks like a circle because it's the top on a spiral that notes the passing from future to past. Love you guys!
The internet put the Art Bell fans in close too proximity to the Protocols of Elders of Zion fans and here we are.
Excited to read Ganz's book, it's coming up in the queue.
Trump also claims not to know what Project 2025 is.
In Marxism, communism - fully realized as the entire world having negated class, inequality, war, money, etc. - is "the end of history." Marx calls this higher stage communism "the riddle of history solved," referring to a core tenant of Marxism that all history is the history of class struggle. Communism, then, is "the end of man's exploitation of man."
Fukuyama, much like the bourgeoisie in general, is happy to misrepresent the nature of communism/Marxism as stalinism or maoism. Therefore, the fall of the degenerated USSR represents the victory of bourgeois democracy over communism and socialism. 1991 was the real end of history, and we would sail into a prosperous future on the wings of liberal democracy.
Things should only improve... See, if Donald Trump and Mikhail Gorbachev can eat pizza hut in Russia, then what can't we do!
When I got wind of how much the Jacques Derrida school of deconstructionism had conquered a lot of American academia in the 1990s, I became concerned.
Wish i could get paid to write "we live in hell" in 500 words.
What a difference three weeks makes.
I sincerely hope Biden Harris win in 2024. I'm voting for them, I'm voting for our democracy, I don't like dictators.
Right there with you
"Our Democracy" lol
@@chickenfishhybrid44
We the People.
Love the show. Left is best.
so put your comrade to the test
😂
Mark Fisher also rights about the death of the future.
John keeps saying Limbo, annoying
good - informative show
I remember those times quite well. I was 18/19 at the time.
‘If the rule you follow has gotten you to this place…. What good is that rule?’ Anton. Bleeding out of social capital…. Killer on the loose.
27:49 Very much like Jim Carrey' character in 'The Cable Guy'.
29:27 Hint: Semiconductors.
Wean wrote that in Waco, they needed to retrieve weapons that were stolen from a national guard warehouse in Oxnard CA then further traced to Menachem Begin. And that at OKC, they needed retrieve documents which would have exposed their treachery in bonds and depredations S&L and of giant corporations
Like Silverado S&L? Like WTC7 and Enron?
A month and a half is such a long time ago.
David Duke has the same alien eyes as William F. Buckley
Duke and mega church sleezelord Ken Copeland have lizard-like slits for pupils. It’s deeply unsettling.
Thank you.
1. In 1992, the country was in an eight month recession in the middle of GH Bush's term, and the GOP had held the WH for 12 years, the longest in 44 years.
2. My ranking of the GOP Presidents in the last 50 years.
Ford
GH Bush
Nixon
GW Bush
Reagan
Trump
Ironic to listen to this podcast… I had to check the date … so much has changed since this talk with Ganz…bring him back and get him to update history… what a downer maybe get it to change! VOTE BLUE 🔷🔷💙🔷🇺🇸
David Duke....well there's some Jefferson Parish history for you right there.... unfinished jobs have consequences....MakeReconstructionGreatAgain
Yeah, it's "funny" how when America "deals" with it's nonwhite enemies of the moment :
Native Americans
Afro Americans
Vietnam
Japan
Iraq, etc
...they will raze that MF to the ground, AND salt the earth.
But when it comes to LEGITIMATE threats to the state, who "happen" to be white :
Confederates
Neo Nazis
KKK
Zionists, etc
...it's all appeasement, pandering, and "boys will be boys".....
EVERYTHING that they're discussing can be traced back to the Confederacy Leaders not being duly executed for being traitors, and ripping out that poisoned tree by the roots...so now those same "ideals" aren't seen as wrong, Reconstruction is overthrown - another seditious act - and it regrows/rebrands/metastasizes through the Daughters of the Confederacy, Dixiecrats, Nixon's Southern Strategy, Reagan's Moral Majority, Lee Atwater, Pat Buchanan, Jesse Helms, the Tea Party, etc...into what MAGA is today and beyond.....
I swear it's less that they never learn, and more like : "We had no INTENTION of ever learning."
14:20-What does that have to do w/ Rodney King🤦🏾
He wasn't saying that the Murphy Brown stuff was the cause of the Rodney King incident but that the Right used it to deflect away from any obvious racist stuff by using a famous white person issue as the example of society breaking down and why. He's explaining how long the media style cultural stuff has been happening in order to manipulate people.
Left is best.
25:57 Limbau gh amped up what Jesse Helms and the National Congressional Club started in the 60's and 70's
31:40 They co-opted John Edwards 2 America's campaign
" fossil fuels.. vs. EV1..
Irony - been in a GM EV for years . 3-5$ charge up vs 50$ of crap toxic fuel ..😮 ⛽👎🏽
The destruction of the Soviet Union inevitably led to the fascist mess we're today. Anti-communism always helps fascists.
Pin this if you care about fighting right-wing bigotry and exploitation.
My-' seven; "Read my-' -lips" drew my-' attention-to politics; 3rd-grade, I -wrote- letter -for impeach.
Trump has been coming since Nixon.
Nixon would not be allowed anywhere near the Magas - Nixon created the EPA - he really - passed all domestic politics to Ehrlichman - who was socially liberal in a lot of ways - definitely was pro -environment which would be completely heretical. Trump and maga is all about some type of populism for retards which really is just a veiled racism. Nixon really cared less about domestic affairs - he was only interested in foreign policy . He used to say he could care less about who builds outhouses in Peoria - that was his interpretation of domestic politics
What's wrong with these guys? Why do they have so much difficulty talking? Uhm, uhm, uhm,,,
Ganz’s comment about trump’s appeal being mainly feelings-based seems especially salient post debate.
Clinton FMLA. We had just had 8 years of Raegan then Busch old stuffy men.
This conversation forgets the laws that Reagan changed that allowed media to be consolidated and centralized. This caused the rise of Limbaugh and Trump today. Conservative Propaganda
56:05 I’m more optimistic as I’m listening to this during the DNC and Kamala’s nomination.
Nah, the nineties wouldnt do that. Never.
@@spanqueluv9er Thank you for you're service
Murphy Brown School of Political Punditry???
It starts by waging war on falsehoods: conspiracies, religions etc
REPUBLICANS FEAR NEWSOM. I HAVE SEEN IT. I HAVE READ ABOUT IT. ITS A REAL THING x100 👆🤯
the world is spinning so fast that a video like this can age badly in only 3 months.