I've studied American politics (mainly foreign policy) since 1980 and haven't one single positive word to say about what has happened since then. Four words dominate my perception; Greed, Lies, Oppression and Exploitation. Sad but true.
I was a teen in the 90s and first started getting my political leanings then. I liked the idea of Bush Sr.'s "compassionate conservatism" and was disappointed by his loss in '92, then started to fall for Limbaugh's fiery rhetoric. Then I grew up.
The kind of scary thing is that even Dubya Bush seems almost likable compared to a lot of the candidates we see now. I was in my early 20s when he was president and at the time I thought he was an utter embarrassment and couldn't get worse than that- boy was I wrong.
I was born in the 90’s and had a similar trajectory. I thought Republicans were the better group, but I was also like “School says racism is bad, and Church says we can’t just have homeless and disabled people starving in the streets, they should be helped.” My Christian morals and liberal upbringing conflicted with the realities of Conservatism, culminating in hearing a vitriolic segment from Michael Savage fully breaking me away from any illusions that I was really a conservative.
In my opinion at the time, one of the most authoritarian things that I witnessed in the 90s was how my mom would limit the number of cookies that me and my brother were allowed to eat, and I strongly believed that it represented a real failing of the cultural discourse that more people weren’t talking about this. Later, in the early 2000s, I came to understand that cookies are arguably actually more enjoyable when handled responsibly.
David Duke came to my high school in 1989 along with a 3rd party independent candidate. They did a Q&A in front of the junior and senior class in the assembly hall. I didn't find out about Duke's history until much later.
They always do that - 100% of the time - look at Elmo musk - he has made most of his money from government - and all he does is tries to tear it down I guess it is so no one else can have a chance like he did . it is the same with all of them
1:51 Hahaha. I am 100% on board with what Sam was getting at here, but this is fantastic bit material. “Now just hold on a second, that doesn’t make any sense: clocks only _tell_ the time, they don’t _create_ the time!” “Yeah!!! And ALSO, seconds aren’t tangible objects, so we can’t physically hold onto them!!” Historians please file this under times that Sam has stood up for the interests of the autism spectrum community. 🤣👌
Me too. They engaged in very ugly ad-hominem-heavy attacks that were not just about the target’s character or actions, but often about their demographics. They also represented a dummying-down right-wing base that stripped any pretense of policy debate or other seriousness from their crass discourse. This is when American politics started devolving to an ugly contact sport.
This is one of the better interviews y’all have had in a while. I was born in 84 so there’s a lot of context that’s easy to miss when just reading about past presidencies and the movements surrounding them
@32:00 they talk about the way Republicans have managed to obscure the conflicts of interest between Billionaire owners and the regular working class. There is a really good paper about the deliberate attempt to di this after WW1 called, *Against the Classes and the Masses: The American Legion, The American Federation of Labor, and Square Deal Americanism in the 1920s* by Gregory Hopely.
Always remember, Trump isn't an anomaly, he's an inevitability. Once Nixon established "law and order" as a perpetual campaign theme, Reagan established Evangelicals as a core constituency, and the default position became forgiveness of ethical and legal infractions from the GOP "for the good of the country," we were inevitably headed Trumpward.
I agree you highlight flexion points, and I share your conclusion. Yet I make a fundamentally different argument. By exchanging timocracy for mob-pandering --cough, democracy-- we consciously eschewed the Constitution and the admonitions of the Founders, not to say 2000 years of settled opinion. "A Republic if you can keep it."
I live in Virginia and over the past 32 years there have been 20 years of Democrat president and only 12 years of Republican so you can’t say that our country is Morgan terminated because since 1990 to 1990s it’s been definitely more left and since 2008 or 2009 it’s been going more and more left from what I’ve observed, was looking at it from A distance and objectively
@@montrelouisebohon-harris7023 I don't understand how you can describe Drumpf45 as Right (or Left). Just consider all the "Christians" who now feel Jesus is too Liberal; he's not evening "conserving" Christianity.
@@montrelouisebohon-harris7023 I'm honestly not sure what you were trying to say, but government is more than the President. It's Congress. It's the courts. It's the states. Gridlock plays a roll, and Republicans have worked mightily to gridlock the government when they can't control it.
A deeper dive needs to be done about the impact of the Branch Davidian siege on American politics. Because that launched a lot of the conspiracist right.
And “The Patriot Movement” Just after The Waco Siege, the White Supremacists, Christian Nationalists (think Church of the Creator) and Sovereign Citizens militias got together and rebranded themselves as “Patriots”… because they got their fee fees hurt when people called them 🌰zis
No - they were already there - it just validated their "theories " but the thing is with these people - reality has very little to do with it . And all that is rooted in racism too. that is why you see confederate flags
You guys have been killing it with the long form guests this year. Still can't believe I finally got a new interview with Richard Slotkin thanks to yall
That's one of the main reason I believe he won in 2016. I have been voting Independent ever since jimmy Carter but voted for Trump because he represented that Third Party feel. It was not long before I saw that a lot what he did was just "smoke and mirrors" and he was good at it but not really changing policies. Yet, because he talked and talked and praised himself over and over again people actually started believing that he really accomplished thing he actually did not. Going on right wing websites people believe that he brought manufacturing home from abroad, that he changed the entire immigration system, that he changed Obamacare, that he did a great job during Covid and on adn on. That's the power of Trump - he sees a problem, does not really know how to fic it but convinces many people that he is the only person in the universe that can fix those things.
i'm voting for the guy who's 3rd party, but it's changed a couple times this year which one. a guy who found the green party to be too factionalized and political. i'm voting for cornel west. lol, i actually remember when he used to be a pundit on meet the press (not to be confused with cornel belcher, who currently is)
Great Stuff! Year End Special Replay Worthy! Will be listening to audiobook later! Also we use to call Bill Clinton “Elvis Kennedy” - he was a sophisticated hick , which was common in Arkansas. Thank You!
That's ultimately my biggest problem with Biden. Its a competitive election where it should not be at all. That was a similiar fear many expressed about Hilary Clinton often being in Margin of Error territory with trump, but back then a lot of people didn't believe Trump would be capable of winning. In the face of that reaction, and everything that has happened since 2016, the fact biden is polling below trump is unacceptable.
I wasn’t really paying attention to politics in 1992 when Perot was a presidential candidate. I was 42 and had only voted for democrats since 1972 bc I knew the main goal of every republican was to repeal Roe. I was married with 2 young children, and Perot said the US debt was going to crush our children and grandchildren, and he was prochoice so I voted 3rd party for him. But since then, I have never voted for a candidate that wasn't democrat and prochoice.
You voted for Perot even though he'd completely, mysteriously dropped out of the race several months before November ??? You and I are the same age. I felt forced to vote for Clinton with deep , perplexed disappointment and regret ever since.
Carrying Limbaugh's bags?? LOL. However... as an honorary WASP, this makes sense to me. It is a very WASPy thing to do for a number of reasons that I'll try to articulate: It shows you aren't pretentious (at least, not about your actions), and that you know the Protestant values of work, humility, and being healthy (and might be a fun sporting chap -- although I doubt that's what Limbo was about). WASPs try to show their wealth subtly, if at all, and even sometimes contradictorily: the more worn a WASP's Sperrys are, the more time he spends sailing (I think this is only true of kids, tbh. But I was kicked out of the sailing club when I turned 18 and didn't pay the adult dues). So they try to minimize the visibility of the servants. (Victorians created all kinds of neat inventions for this purpose) Also, I assume Limbaugh is Irish, right? At that time, to some people in the Northeast, I bet that fact was still notable
Sam, I hope Matt or someone sees this. But I teach AP US history and I need you to come in and teach all of us about the history of conservatism. Yes I do the Reagan and pat buchanan but we need a cultural significance
I remember Gingrich ran against Virginia Shappard in my district after Flint retired, and all he could say was "how can she raise her children and work in Washington". He got elected and stayed forever. They even created a district in the white Republican side of Atlanta just for him.
I'm the same age so I remember all this stuff, too. And it's great to realize that the adults were wrong when they said "you just couldn't understand", because now I know that they didn't get it either, and in fact, a lot of it just didn't make any sense at all
The talk radio is definitely a massive propaganda tool over the last few decades! I'm 40 and was 17 during 9-11, smoking pot, and eating mushrooms. I fell hooked line and sinker as a young conspiratorialist libertarian for the Loose Change doc and rediscovered quickly 02 Infowars(I had 1st heard AlexJ on late night radio during Waco). Luckily, I was already athiest, so his demon shit quickly turned me off and actually found a love for science, critical thinking, theology, ect. Fast forward to a decade later I was a janitor at my local school district... I hopped in a car with a Super Intended one day and he was just eating up a Infowar show. I was dumbfounded (back then 😂) to find a person so high in the education department eating up conspiratorial diarrhea. How nieve I was to the critical thinking skills of the "center" and "right"...
Side note. My band at that time was hired to play a party on a Saturday I believe it was. On Friday I happened to see a newspaper article that there would be a rally the following day featuring David David as guest speaker in the same parking lot we were supposed to play in. I immediately called my band mates and told them,and of we of course said fuck no we aren’t showing up for that. So we didn’t and were fired from our regular club gig since the owner had something to do with the rally. A bit of Louisiana history. Duke was running for governor against famously corrupt Edwin Edwards. The bumper stickers said “Vote For The Crook”.
After Dan. Quail went against Murphy Brown, he realized that going after a (fictional) mother and baby was not a great look. So he, Quail, sent the (fictional) baby a gift. Where he sent that gift I don't know, but he made sure that the media knew that he did it. Americans were new to that level of political banality. Now, of course, we are used to it. Nixon, who was viewed as the devil himself by the liberals and leftists of his day, actually was kind of liberal in many areas in. comparison to the Republican, and in some ways, even. the Democratic, presidents that were to come.
Quayle understood the importance of the media - that is what he came from - his family owned newspapers - in Indiana - and I think Illinois. yes Nixon would never be welcomed in Maga he would be considered way too liberal for them - he was just not functionally retarded
Nixon actually did a thing or 2 right,but he did a lot of things wrong,like the HMO healthcare system, there's actually a recording of him talking about giving people less healthcare through some new plan the very next day he's on tv saying how great it's going to be
Very fascinating and much needed discussion. I heard of something like this when it came to the "antiestablishment" militia movements and related events. These people were only antiestablishment with respect to the liberal order.
Yeah? Like most people actually are.. most people, including leftists and progressives, only really have issues with power when they're not wielding it.
How many times these presenters have stumbled on their words, forgotten a name, I couldn't remember several different times in this conversation. Why do people judge old people for the same things they give themselves a pass for?
Exactly! I told my older sister to stop getting all upset if she occasionally forgets where she was in a conversation. That use to happen when we were younger as well but the difference then was we just shrugged it off. Now she goes immediately to wondering if she is getting senile
When you get the steering wheel (a metaphor for some kind of control) and you realize that life still sucks in a capitalist, reductionist, scarcity-based social structure, you get mad and you need your mommy. That's Rush Limbaugh and all tea partiers and all MAGA in a nutshell.
Not so much authoritarian as nihilist, and the nihilism leads to authoritarianism. Franklin described it, at the end of the 2nd Constitutional convention, as a matter of character and corruption.
Perot was very successful in sales for IBM and, in 1962, started his own data processing company. Remember, this was at a time when there were only giant main frame computers. Ironically, his company's first lucrative contract was to computerize Medicare records for the US government.
A few years back, early in Trump's campaign I found my news clippings from 1992 for my college newspaper columns. The Perot Voters statements, and the protectionist policies were strikingly, almost copied from Perot. My ex ditched my old clippings Archive a little later when she moved in. But the similarities were noticeable
We need to dive into what will make for effective and middle-of-the-road immigration policy. We should not abandon this issue to people mainly motivated by anger, rumor, and impatience.
I'll never forget Bush's "Read my lips" moment. One of the most effective campaign ads by the democrats was when they used it against him. Also Dan Quayle not being able to spell potato wasn't a good look.
What eventually became the Civil Rights Act of 1992 was the impetus for one of the most notorious political ads in my memory - Jesse Helms’s “white hands” commercial.
25:57 Limbau gh amped up what Jesse Helms and the National Congressional Club started in the 60's and 70's 31:40 They co-opted John Edwards 2 America's campaign
Thank you. 1. In 1992, the country was in an eight month recession in the middle of GH Bush's term, and the GOP had held the WH for 12 years, the longest in 44 years. 2. My ranking of the GOP Presidents in the last 50 years. Ford GH Bush Nixon GW Bush Reagan Trump
-2:40 "....alright um and uh ah um eh eh ok so um so and eh so the they The Early 90s you see as as what happening like what a like a what ah what did this sort of uh uh what was unique about this era or what does it Mark in terms of um the I guess the trajectory of... we call it conservatism or right the right-wing Universe I guess" -sam
I think it was the 60’s for sure. The civil rights battle, and then some people getting sent to Vietnam while the others were partying at Woodstock has influenced politics for the past 50 years.
Ironic to listen to this podcast… I had to check the date … so much has changed since this talk with Ganz…bring him back and get him to update history… what a downer maybe get it to change! VOTE BLUE 🔷🔷💙🔷🇺🇸
He wasn't saying that the Murphy Brown stuff was the cause of the Rodney King incident but that the Right used it to deflect away from any obvious racist stuff by using a famous white person issue as the example of society breaking down and why. He's explaining how long the media style cultural stuff has been happening in order to manipulate people.
Wean wrote that in Waco, they needed to retrieve weapons that were stolen from a national guard warehouse in Oxnard CA then further traced to Menachem Begin. And that at OKC, they needed retrieve documents which would have exposed their treachery in bonds and depredations S&L and of giant corporations
In Marxism, communism - fully realized as the entire world having negated class, inequality, war, money, etc. - is "the end of history." Marx calls this higher stage communism "the riddle of history solved," referring to a core tenant of Marxism that all history is the history of class struggle. Communism, then, is "the end of man's exploitation of man." Fukuyama, much like the bourgeoisie in general, is happy to misrepresent the nature of communism/Marxism as stalinism or maoism. Therefore, the fall of the degenerated USSR represents the victory of bourgeois democracy over communism and socialism. 1991 was the real end of history, and we would sail into a prosperous future on the wings of liberal democracy. Things should only improve... See, if Donald Trump and Mikhail Gorbachev can eat pizza hut in Russia, then what can't we do!
If Volinsky can do it - so can Jon Stewart. A Jon Stewart - Aoc ticket...imagine...His cabinet would be his writers doin what they are now - because we get it. Both Comedians. Clinton stole the wallstreet donors repug angle and they hated it.
I always think of the documentary "The Power of Nightmares" when these sorts of conversations emerge. It made so much sense to me in the early Obama years.
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I've studied American politics (mainly foreign policy) since 1980 and haven't one single positive word to say about what has happened since then. Four words dominate my perception;
Greed, Lies, Oppression and Exploitation. Sad but true.
Those 4 words describe the country from it's founding.
It's probably not possible to understand the American "conservative" movement without including religion in that mix.
@@jimbob3030 FALSE
@@findbridge1790 You know absolutely nothing about history if you say that.
What is your world view based on, is it faith and indoctrination?
@@jimbob3030 see Anton Chaitkin,historian.
The spread of southern evangelicalism in the 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s throughout the rest of the country is also a large part of this story too.
TV Evangelism.
I was a teen in the 90s and first started getting my political leanings then. I liked the idea of Bush Sr.'s "compassionate conservatism" and was disappointed by his loss in '92, then started to fall for Limbaugh's fiery rhetoric.
Then I grew up.
I always thought it suspect they had to put the word "compassionate" in front of conservative. It was very telling
The kind of scary thing is that even Dubya Bush seems almost likable compared to a lot of the candidates we see now. I was in my early 20s when he was president and at the time I thought he was an utter embarrassment and couldn't get worse than that- boy was I wrong.
@@gary2kr1 I think it was done to try to make it more like "bleeding heart liberal" to be honest. A kind of "moderate" conservatism.
I was born in the 90’s and had a similar trajectory. I thought Republicans were the better group, but I was also like “School says racism is bad, and Church says we can’t just have homeless and disabled people starving in the streets, they should be helped.” My Christian morals and liberal upbringing conflicted with the realities of Conservatism, culminating in hearing a vitriolic segment from Michael Savage fully breaking me away from any illusions that I was really a conservative.
In my opinion at the time, one of the most authoritarian things that I witnessed in the 90s was how my mom would limit the number of cookies that me and my brother were allowed to eat, and I strongly believed that it represented a real failing of the cultural discourse that more people weren’t talking about this.
Later, in the early 2000s, I came to understand that cookies are arguably actually more enjoyable when handled responsibly.
Fascinating stroll through much of what we older folks lived through back then.
Very much so, a guest with much of value to say on those times and hosts that know what to ask to multiply that value.
@@czarkusa2018 I'm not sure of the value you note. Is there an action item you found?
Isn't it?
Excited to read Ganz's book, it's coming up in the queue.
David Duke came to my high school in 1989 along with a 3rd party independent candidate. They did a Q&A in front of the junior and senior class in the assembly hall. I didn't find out about Duke's history until much later.
Can't believe this was a 1 hour recording. Watched it twice. Goes by quickly!
Perot made his money in Special Tax districts in Texas, then ran as anti-government and anti-tax. Pull up the ladder like a Libertarian.
They always do that - 100% of the time - look at Elmo musk - he has made most of his money from government - and all he does is tries to tear it down I guess it is so no one else can have a chance like he did . it is the same with all of them
Libertarians are just republicans who are embarassed to be called republican
1:51 Hahaha. I am 100% on board with what Sam was getting at here, but this is fantastic bit material.
“Now just hold on a second, that doesn’t make any sense: clocks only _tell_ the time, they don’t _create_ the time!”
“Yeah!!! And ALSO, seconds aren’t tangible objects, so we can’t physically hold onto them!!”
Historians please file this under times that Sam has stood up for the interests of the autism spectrum community. 🤣👌
@@philhiller-mn1gwI can, can’t you? ;)
um, sure, everything is about you, and there's no way that applies to literally everyone. you all are becoming elitists
I was a teen in the 90's and I was repulsed by Limbaugh and Bucannon and all of those right wing nut jobs. Even in middle school I was aware.
Me too. They engaged in very ugly ad-hominem-heavy attacks that were not just about the target’s character or actions, but often about their demographics. They also represented a dummying-down right-wing base that stripped any pretense of policy debate or other seriousness from their crass discourse.
This is when American politics started devolving to an ugly contact sport.
This is one of the better interviews y’all have had in a while. I was born in 84 so there’s a lot of context that’s easy to miss when just reading about past presidencies and the movements surrounding them
Exactly born in 85 and can concur
@32:00 they talk about the way Republicans have managed to obscure the conflicts of interest between Billionaire owners and the regular working class.
There is a really good paper about the deliberate attempt to di this after WW1 called, *Against the Classes and the Masses: The American Legion, The American Federation of Labor, and Square Deal Americanism in the 1920s* by Gregory Hopely.
Always remember, Trump isn't an anomaly, he's an inevitability. Once Nixon established "law and order" as a perpetual campaign theme, Reagan established Evangelicals as a core constituency, and the default position became forgiveness of ethical and legal infractions from the GOP "for the good of the country," we were inevitably headed Trumpward.
I agree you highlight flexion points, and I share your conclusion. Yet I make a fundamentally different argument. By exchanging timocracy for mob-pandering --cough, democracy-- we consciously eschewed the Constitution and the admonitions of the Founders, not to say 2000 years of settled opinion. "A Republic if you can keep it."
I live in Virginia and over the past 32 years there have been 20 years of Democrat president and only 12 years of Republican so you can’t say that our country is Morgan terminated because since 1990 to 1990s it’s been definitely more left and since 2008 or 2009 it’s been going more and more left from what I’ve observed, was looking at it from A distance and objectively
@@montrelouisebohon-harris7023 I don't understand how you can describe Drumpf45 as Right (or Left). Just consider all the "Christians" who now feel Jesus is too Liberal; he's not evening "conserving" Christianity.
@@montrelouisebohon-harris7023 I'm honestly not sure what you were trying to say, but government is more than the President. It's Congress. It's the courts. It's the states. Gridlock plays a roll, and Republicans have worked mightily to gridlock the government when they can't control it.
@@montrelouisebohon-harris7023 you forget the effects of the electoral college, and gerrymandering.
Mr. Ganz's assessment is spot on. As are your's and Emma's Sam. I was 23 in 1990. I remember it all.
i was a precocious 14 year old
i got up and played war pigs the morning of the invasion of iraq. that really made a difference
and oh yeah, watched it on cnn that evening
@@intellectually_lazy It is an absolutely awesome song
A deeper dive needs to be done about the impact of the Branch Davidian siege on American politics. Because that launched a lot of the conspiracist right.
And “The Patriot Movement” Just after The Waco Siege, the White Supremacists, Christian Nationalists (think Church of the Creator) and Sovereign Citizens militias got together and rebranded themselves as “Patriots”… because they got their fee fees hurt when people called them 🌰zis
No - they were already there - it just validated their "theories " but the thing is with these people - reality has very little to do with it . And all that is rooted in racism too. that is why you see confederate flags
@@pjpredhomme7699yes.. confederate flags even in areas of the country that were not confederate
Just your standard "Turner Diary" right wing nonsense
Great video! More like these!
great overview, extremely informative thank you!!
This clock talk reminds me of when the Taliban in Afghanistan back in the days said the Americans have fancy watches but we have time.
wow. great line
Buchanan and Limbaugh! Two names that I would like to forget
The term for Buchanan is paleoconservative
You guys have been killing it with the long form guests this year. Still can't believe I finally got a new interview with Richard Slotkin thanks to yall
good - informative show
Surreal to watch this on 8/18/24. Barely a month and a half later, yet it feels like a completely different election cycle.
44:58 (great quote) “He combines the appeal of a third party candidate with a major party infrastructure.”
That's one of the main reason I believe he won in 2016. I have been voting Independent ever since jimmy Carter but voted for Trump because he represented that Third Party feel. It was not long before I saw that a lot what he did was just "smoke and mirrors" and he was good at it but not really changing policies. Yet, because he talked and talked and praised himself over and over again people actually started believing that he really accomplished thing he actually did not.
Going on right wing websites people believe that he brought manufacturing home from abroad, that he changed the entire immigration system, that he changed Obamacare, that he did a great job during Covid and on adn on.
That's the power of Trump - he sees a problem, does not really know how to fic it but convinces many people that he is the only person in the universe that can fix those things.
@@ingehansonpeople believe his lies.
i'm voting for the guy who's 3rd party, but it's changed a couple times this year which one. a guy who found the green party to be too factionalized and political. i'm voting for cornel west. lol, i actually remember when he used to be a pundit on meet the press (not to be confused with cornel belcher, who currently is)
@@leanordials8008 "his" lies have been aggressively peddled to the american people since the time of ronald reagan
@@intellectually_lazycornel West is a hack 😂
Great Stuff! Year End Special Replay Worthy!
Will be listening to audiobook later!
Also we use to call Bill Clinton “Elvis Kennedy” - he was a sophisticated hick , which was common in Arkansas.
Thank You!
Oh wow this is great a big get. This guy’s substack is a tour de force.
This was so informative. Thank you to Mr Ganz and Emma.
That's ultimately my biggest problem with Biden. Its a competitive election where it should not be at all. That was a similiar fear many expressed about Hilary Clinton often being in Margin of Error territory with trump, but back then a lot of people didn't believe Trump would be capable of winning. In the face of that reaction, and everything that has happened since 2016, the fact biden is polling below trump is unacceptable.
Rush Limbo! How low can he go? Well ... six feet under, I guess.
dope kills
But it still annoys me that dtrumpf gave him the presidential medal of honor before he died. Horrible man that for some reason people listened to.
Limbaugh was lower than 6 ft under when he was alive
Love the show. Left is best.
so put your comrade to the test
😂
I wasn’t really paying attention to politics in 1992 when Perot was a presidential candidate. I was 42 and had only voted for democrats since 1972 bc I knew the main goal of every republican was to repeal Roe. I was married with 2 young children, and Perot said the US debt was going to crush our children and grandchildren, and he was prochoice so I voted 3rd party for him. But since then, I have never voted for a candidate that wasn't democrat and prochoice.
You voted for Perot even though he'd completely, mysteriously dropped out of the race several months before November ???
You and I are the same age. I felt forced to vote for Clinton with deep , perplexed disappointment and regret ever since.
I remember those times quite well. I was 18/19 at the time.
Such an interesting show, thanks, John Ganz!
The Pat Buchanan-Trump alignment is wild.
Carrying Limbaugh's bags?? LOL. However... as an honorary WASP, this makes sense to me.
It is a very WASPy thing to do for a number of reasons that I'll try to articulate: It shows you aren't pretentious (at least, not about your actions), and that you know the Protestant values of work, humility, and being healthy (and might be a fun sporting chap -- although I doubt that's what Limbo was about).
WASPs try to show their wealth subtly, if at all, and even sometimes contradictorily: the more worn a WASP's Sperrys are, the more time he spends sailing (I think this is only true of kids, tbh. But I was kicked out of the sailing club when I turned 18 and didn't pay the adult dues). So they try to minimize the visibility of the servants. (Victorians created all kinds of neat inventions for this purpose)
Also, I assume Limbaugh is Irish, right? At that time, to some people in the Northeast, I bet that fact was still notable
Sam, I hope Matt or someone sees this. But I teach AP US history and I need you to come in and teach all of us about the history of conservatism. Yes I do the Reagan and pat buchanan but we need a cultural significance
Great interview! Thanks.
I saw this all when "Eye of Newt" Gingrich got elected & became a Right-Wing Hero in '94.
I remember Gingrich ran against Virginia Shappard in my district after Flint retired, and all he could say was "how can she raise her children and work in Washington". He got elected and stayed forever. They even created a district in the white Republican side of Atlanta just for him.
Very interesting era
John, get on Bluesky. You’re presence is needed.
This started with Reagan.
Yep, I'm 65 and was paying attention then,Reagan did a lot of damage
Good guest. Good book.
Omg this is my JAM! So getting this book!!!
I'm the same age so I remember all this stuff, too. And it's great to realize that the adults were wrong when they said "you just couldn't understand", because now I know that they didn't get it either, and in fact, a lot of it just didn't make any sense at all
I wish that could have gone on for another hour!
Murphy Brown and TV in general asked people to be empathic. White men who needed a hug said, "What about me?"
Great report!
David dukes a heartless bastard
i think he has or had a show on fox news, just like ollie north
@@intellectually_lazyDavid Duke doesn't have a show on any TV network and never did that I know of.
Love this book ❤
The talk radio is definitely a massive propaganda tool over the last few decades! I'm 40 and was 17 during 9-11, smoking pot, and eating mushrooms. I fell hooked line and sinker as a young conspiratorialist libertarian for the Loose Change doc and rediscovered quickly 02 Infowars(I had 1st heard AlexJ on late night radio during Waco). Luckily, I was already athiest, so his demon shit quickly turned me off and actually found a love for science, critical thinking, theology, ect.
Fast forward to a decade later I was a janitor at my local school district... I hopped in a car with a Super Intended one day and he was just eating up a Infowar show. I was dumbfounded (back then 😂) to find a person so high in the education department eating up conspiratorial diarrhea. How nieve I was to the critical thinking skills of the "center" and "right"...
my boy john! love the book
Side note. My band at that time was hired to play a party on a Saturday I believe it was. On Friday I happened to see a newspaper article that there would be a rally the following day featuring David David as guest speaker in the same parking lot we were supposed to play in. I immediately called my band mates and told them,and of we of course said fuck no we aren’t showing up for that. So we didn’t and were fired from our regular club gig since the owner had something to do with the rally. A bit of Louisiana history. Duke was running for governor against famously corrupt Edwin Edwards. The bumper stickers said “Vote For The Crook”.
Good for you. What’s your bands name? Got a Bandcamp??
"You're no Jack Kennedy!"
After Dan. Quail went against Murphy Brown, he realized that going after a (fictional) mother and baby was not a great look. So he, Quail, sent the (fictional) baby a gift. Where he sent that gift I don't know, but he made sure that the media knew that he did it.
Americans were new to that level of political banality. Now, of course, we are used to it.
Nixon, who was viewed as the devil himself by the liberals and leftists of his day, actually was kind of liberal in many areas in. comparison to the Republican, and in some ways, even. the Democratic, presidents that were to come.
Quayle understood the importance of the media - that is what he came from - his family owned newspapers - in Indiana - and I think Illinois. yes Nixon would never be welcomed in Maga he would be considered way too liberal for them - he was just not functionally retarded
Nixon actually did a thing or 2 right,but he did a lot of things wrong,like the HMO healthcare system, there's actually a recording of him talking about giving people less healthcare through some new plan the very next day he's on tv saying how great it's going to be
How low can you go.. it starts with Rush limbo😂
The internet put the Art Bell fans in close too proximity to the Protocols of Elders of Zion fans and here we are.
Very fascinating and much needed discussion. I heard of something like this when it came to the "antiestablishment" militia movements and related events. These people were only antiestablishment with respect to the liberal order.
Yeah? Like most people actually are.. most people, including leftists and progressives, only really have issues with power when they're not wielding it.
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How many times these presenters have stumbled on their words, forgotten a name, I couldn't remember several different times in this conversation.
Why do people judge old people for the same things they give themselves a pass for?
Exactly! I told my older sister to stop getting all upset if she occasionally forgets where she was in a conversation. That use to happen when we were younger as well but the difference then was we just shrugged it off. Now she goes immediately to wondering if she is getting senile
When you get the steering wheel (a metaphor for some kind of control) and you realize that life still sucks in a capitalist, reductionist, scarcity-based social structure, you get mad and you need your mommy. That's Rush Limbaugh and all tea partiers and all MAGA in a nutshell.
I still think Michael Dukakis looked presidential driving that tank.
Yes, a civilian Commander in Chief who is as interested in peace as in war.
@@selfish-perverse-n-turbulent it was a sarcastic statement on my part.
@@Larrymh07 and I was sarcastic to your sarcasm. We really never needed a chicken hawk who played a tough guy in spaghetti westerns
Not so much authoritarian as nihilist, and the nihilism leads to authoritarianism. Franklin described it, at the end of the 2nd Constitutional convention, as a matter of character and corruption.
When I got wind of how much the Jacques Derrida school of deconstructionism had conquered a lot of American academia in the 1990s, I became concerned.
Perot was very successful in sales for IBM and, in 1962, started his own data processing company. Remember, this was at a time when there were only giant main frame computers.
Ironically, his company's first lucrative contract was to computerize Medicare records for the US government.
A few years back, early in Trump's campaign I found my news clippings from 1992 for my college newspaper columns. The Perot Voters statements, and the protectionist policies were strikingly, almost copied from Perot. My ex ditched my old clippings Archive a little later when she moved in. But the similarities were noticeable
We need to dive into what will make for effective and middle-of-the-road immigration policy. We should not abandon this issue to people mainly motivated by anger, rumor, and impatience.
I'll never forget Bush's "Read my lips" moment. One of the most effective campaign ads by the democrats was when they used it against him. Also Dan Quayle not being able to spell potato wasn't a good look.
Trump also claims not to know what Project 2025 is.
What eventually became the Civil Rights Act of 1992 was the impetus for one of the most notorious political ads in my memory - Jesse Helms’s “white hands” commercial.
That was so mild compared to today.
just watched it. thanks for the tip. reminds me of the dead dad in american history x
That commercial ran in '90 when he campaigned against Harvey Gantt.
@@Bunty68 right. It mentions Ted Kennedy and quotas, which some claimed would be consequences of the civil rights act of 1990 (vetoed by GHW Bush).
What a difference three weeks makes.
And they have the nerve to complain when people get angry at them
Time marches on. A clock only looks like a circle because it's the top on a spiral that notes the passing from future to past. Love you guys!
Emma 🖤
25:57 Limbau gh amped up what Jesse Helms and the National Congressional Club started in the 60's and 70's
31:40 They co-opted John Edwards 2 America's campaign
I love the eord "scuttlebutt" is a nautical term for gossip. And boat people are such gossips.
Thank you.
1. In 1992, the country was in an eight month recession in the middle of GH Bush's term, and the GOP had held the WH for 12 years, the longest in 44 years.
2. My ranking of the GOP Presidents in the last 50 years.
Ford
GH Bush
Nixon
GW Bush
Reagan
Trump
-2:40 "....alright um and uh ah um eh eh ok so um so and eh so the they The Early 90s you see as as what happening like what a like a what ah what did this sort of uh uh what was unique about this era or what does it Mark in terms of um the I guess the trajectory of... we call it conservatism or right the
right-wing Universe I guess" -sam
27:49 Very much like Jim Carrey' character in 'The Cable Guy'.
29:27 Hint: Semiconductors.
The "birthing" goes back much further. The Johnson/ Nixon years and likely before that.🤔
Modern conservatism is a combined reaction to FDR's New Deal and the civil rights movement of the '50s and '60s.
I think it was the 60’s for sure. The civil rights battle, and then some people getting sent to Vietnam while the others were partying at Woodstock has influenced politics for the past 50 years.
Roast Perot. Founded EDS-Electronic Data System.
Rosh Limbo?😂
I think it's like Sam's bill "Fryst" or Liz/Lynn cheny. It's great.
Rich Limpboy
How about rust limbawl? Lol
@@buddyflood6761 Raunch Limpballs
Ironic to listen to this podcast… I had to check the date … so much has changed since this talk with Ganz…bring him back and get him to update history… what a downer maybe get it to change! VOTE BLUE 🔷🔷💙🔷🇺🇸
It was a U.S. Federal Park in VA.
14:20-What does that have to do w/ Rodney King🤦🏾
He wasn't saying that the Murphy Brown stuff was the cause of the Rodney King incident but that the Right used it to deflect away from any obvious racist stuff by using a famous white person issue as the example of society breaking down and why. He's explaining how long the media style cultural stuff has been happening in order to manipulate people.
Wean wrote that in Waco, they needed to retrieve weapons that were stolen from a national guard warehouse in Oxnard CA then further traced to Menachem Begin. And that at OKC, they needed retrieve documents which would have exposed their treachery in bonds and depredations S&L and of giant corporations
Like Silverado S&L? Like WTC7 and Enron?
Please talk about Robert Byrd and Strom Thurman when you mention Duke
It doesn't go round and round when it's broke.
I want to hear more about the Ana drama
I remember Jim Carry,s read my hips!!! LMAO
David Duke has the same alien eyes as William F. Buckley
Duke and mega church sleezelord Ken Copeland have lizard-like slits for pupils. It’s deeply unsettling.
the world is spinning so fast that a video like this can age badly in only 3 months.
The role of something like Anti semitism where the college professors are made out to be the elites and bad guys is vastly underrated in politics
In Marxism, communism - fully realized as the entire world having negated class, inequality, war, money, etc. - is "the end of history." Marx calls this higher stage communism "the riddle of history solved," referring to a core tenant of Marxism that all history is the history of class struggle. Communism, then, is "the end of man's exploitation of man."
Fukuyama, much like the bourgeoisie in general, is happy to misrepresent the nature of communism/Marxism as stalinism or maoism. Therefore, the fall of the degenerated USSR represents the victory of bourgeois democracy over communism and socialism. 1991 was the real end of history, and we would sail into a prosperous future on the wings of liberal democracy.
Things should only improve... See, if Donald Trump and Mikhail Gorbachev can eat pizza hut in Russia, then what can't we do!
Wish i could get paid to write "we live in hell" in 500 words.
* 90s doesn’t require an apostrophe so 90’s I’m afraid is wrong. I’m just saying. No hostility is implied. Best wishes to all.
‘If the rule you follow has gotten you to this place…. What good is that rule?’ Anton. Bleeding out of social capital…. Killer on the loose.
Who‘s ‘Rush Limbo’ - never heard of him ?
Limbaugh
My-' seven; "Read my-' -lips" drew my-' attention-to politics; 3rd-grade, I -wrote- letter -for impeach.
If Volinsky can do it - so can Jon Stewart. A Jon Stewart - Aoc ticket...imagine...His cabinet would be his writers doin what they are now - because we get it.
Both Comedians. Clinton stole the wallstreet donors repug angle and they hated it.
Is AOC 35 years old, the minimum age to become POTUS? Ok. She'll be 35 in October 2025. 9 months of uncertainty.
Mark Fisher also rights about the death of the future.
I always think of the documentary "The Power of Nightmares" when these sorts of conversations emerge. It made so much sense to me in the early Obama years.