John Salley on Kobe Rating Himself #2, After Wilt and Before Jordan (Part 5)
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
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In this clip, John Salley talked about joining the Los Angeles Lakers and how he talked Phil Jackson into giving him a spot on the Lakers when Phil took over after the shortened 1998-99 season. Salley went on to recount how he began to cultivate a relationship with Kobe while on the Lakers during a time when Bryant was still developing as a player and as a man.
Kobe knew his basketball history that is for certain. He stated that Wilt Chamberlain was the GOAT and he is right as the 72 records that Wilt still holds proves it!
Rest in Peace Kobe!
Facts wilt is the greatest big man in NBA history
@@Elonmuskit considering he was a PG for roughly 8 years I'd say he was BEYOND the "big man" role. Just saying 😌
Nah
Kobe is going to be missed for a very very very very loooooooong time.
Forever
Yeah for sure. no offensive to other sports greats and ones who will pass on someday (not wishing any on nobody) but Kob's death will never recover with anybody. His hit the hardest
Wealthbuilderz TV times infinity 😢😢😢
In other words forever...
Always
The wildest thing about this ENTIRE interview is that John Salley has a barber.🤔
Tommy from Martin had a barber
Lmao beard hair fam
Q B dead
On everything been pondering this shit for like 3days🤔
Lol he has a beard tho
I thought John Salley pulled some drawls out of his pocket like Tommy did in the court room on Martin.
😂🤣😂💀💀💀
Lmao
Lmao
Lmao!!! Oh shit
Lol
John Sally....this dude. He is one of my favs, he always got the best stories about the NBA, from the inside. And he knows every damn body!
He was talking about scoring total. The guy was heckling his scoring and he was saying wilt had 100 he had 81 and Mike had 69
@@russotv9867 I know but that's what Kobe was referencing
@@JusBlackTV you reaching wit no proof.
It's funny...because the scoring total is what I thought about when he said the names in that order. It makes sense.
Jus'Black TV David Thompson scored 73 points April 9th 1978
Didn't David Robinson score 70?
Jerry west ain’t better than Kobe.
No way no how respect his moves as a GM and a player hell no lol
President Fly unless you’re 70 years old you can’t make that statement, cuz Jerry West from 60-74
Carlitos there’s film. And John salley ain’t 70.
Not even fucking close . vlad need to stfu
@The R. No he wasnt dumb bitch
John Salley And Kobe Bryant takin ova for the ‘99 and 2000 ❗️😂
😂😂
@Neil Hood 🤣🤣. Automatically, i started singing that song in my head after resding his comment
Neil Hood 😂😭😭😭
Alright then Juve
I was a huge NBA fan during the Kobe Shaq era. You know why i feel this death more than any other famous person other than Eddie? This was during one of the best peroids of my childhood growing up and also some of the worst moments where i suffered a shit load of bullying but NBA gave me happiness during that time and Kobe was at the forefront of it during that threepeat. Then over the years as i've got older Kobe was at the forefront of it all again winning championships when he was written off and his quotes and lifestyle advise and advise on how to conquer your day are all invaluable. There is a reason he died so young - just look at all his quotes, and interviews and how everybody takes note of every little word he says. He was on par with Tupac and Biggie - his words, life and memories will live for eternity.
Factz
So basically you feel nothing for those other people on that helicopter what about those people on 9/11 there were mothers and daughters sitting next to each others there were fathers and daughters sitting next to each other you don't care about them
@Mash_ da_Gas you still haven't given me anything he wrote what wrote a book everybody wrote a book I'm not surprised that you only see Kobe Bryant on that helicopter is the state of this generation. Just remember most of these celebrities if there's not a camera around they wouldn't give a fuck about you or me for that matter look what Kobe Bryant live at look where the Mamba Academy was at
@@1990758 and your probably a shitty person too. Who knows its all perspective
Rob Rivera you stole my name
I love seeing how much John Sally Loved Kobe. I can watch these clips over and over.
RIP Kobe Bryant, the Black Mamba and a top 5 all-time NBA player. I still can't believe he's gone. Such an unthinkable tragedy.
I still think KOBE IS THE REAL BEAST. He was so focused and truly loved the game. Stayed away from clubbing and bars etc. He was a good guy. So sad he had to leave us.. will be missed for life.
I'm glade hes giving wilt respect. Ppl always leave him out
If we aren't talking about rings, Wilt is CLEARLY the GOAT. But the NBA - because one player can effect a game so much - is about rings. Note: Jordan isn't in my Top 3 of the GOATS.
Well i mean look who wilt was playing against....
fatboyRAY24 not his fault he was born a freak in that time period 🤷🏽
Yea it's the rings.. but you can't sit there and say rings don't matter cuz they definitely do. The motive for every great in the NBA is to WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS. Stats matter too but winning a chip is the ultimate goal. If you don't do that at the rate of the other greats, it matters alot. Only Bron fans think stats matter waaay more than rings which is not true.
spinningorb Jordan isn’t top3 ? 🤦🏾♂️🤣🤣🤣 Bruh u either old asf or too young to be watching nba
I think he's talking about how he's one of only 3 players to average 35 points or more in a season, the other 2 being Wilt and Jordan (and now James Harden). Then he says "that's a short list" because only 3 people had ever done that and he's one of them.
Ev Popstar he was, they completely took this out of context. in another interview kobe said mj goat kobes top 5 the only big man was bill russel
There is no ONE singular GOAT in the game of basketball .. too many outstanding players across too many different eras to simply annoint one player with that title
Man, where were all the Kobe questions before the tragedy? I love hearing other players.talk about my guy.
No one beats Wilt one on one.
Playground- top 50 ever hoop tournament. Wilt wins.
@The R. neither ran track or high jumped. Wilt bigger and stronger than Shaq. Hakeem would try a fade away, Wilt would take the ball out of air 🤣😂 I'm not a casual. I played for Dunbar. I went to school with AI and Victor page. I have 3 Jr and high school mvps. What's your basketball background. NBA 2k 😒
@@nieshapatterson2902 Why he couldn't do that to Bill Russell then?
@The R. blah blah blah you have no basketball credianials 😢
@Mr. Marshall What's your basketball resume like? You triggered by a screen name 🤣😂 reacting as if I'm a female who has no right to talk basketball. Old man Wilt towered over Shaq. Research before spewing out B.S. for the sake of arguing. Wilt the only 7 footer who dunked from free throw line. Kobe would drill shaq about not staying in shape 😔 like Shaq had a jumper. Like Shaq could shoot freethrows. Shaq didn't even have a hook shot mr buster. Dismiss you and your moma. No one invited you.
I think Shaq does
I got love for both, two of the best to ever do it everyone has their own opinion... RIP to all who lost their lives in that crash
I have always called Wilt Chamberlain the best basketball player ever.
Jordan the goat for sure
Jordan was the baddest ball player on the planet.
Wrong
@@cedrictrotter1140 yeah in the 90s
When John was describing how he got in shape all I could hear was the Rocky theme in my head with John running around LA.
Did yall see how serious kobe face got once the ball got inbound #RIPKOBE
John Salley is great. He was awesome in Bad Boys 1 and 2, among his great basketball career. RIP Kobe Bryant.
It’s at 8 likes
Let it stay that way
Rip Kobe ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾🤚🏾
Jay Leslie umma like urs instead
Lil Sam I salute you 🤛🏾
RIP Mr.Bryant
Off topic but I’m just realizing 25 years later that John Salley was in the movie Bad Boys because he was a member of the Pistons Bad Boys.🤯🤯🤯
Keon Leonard because if this comment me to 😭😭
I Love spider salley he just talks entertaining shit. Very Little Facts.
Definitely a party conversationalist. You stop and talk to him have a good talk and by the time you look at your watch it's a good time to leave out. Lol.
Losing Kobe so young, will make him immortal and the most celebrated NBA player in history.
"He left Jerry West out?" 🙄😒😔
Salley never ceases to amaze me 🤦🏾♂️
He does that to get attention . That’s why I don’t believe anything he says.but he is still a nice guy.
He was saying that cus Kobe look up to Jerry West...Jerry West around Kobe most of his young career
Kobe put Jerry west on his personal Mount Rushmore in an interview. That's where Salley is coming from.
It's going to talk like Max Kellerman I'm talking about the Modern Age or what's the other one that use oh that was before my time
It's time... He's the One
Let the debate rest.
#KOBE #MAMBA
His Life (all of it)
His Tragedy (Gigi and the helicopter)
ALL OF IT RISES WITH HIM IMMORTAL
Make him the greatest. All the scars
The good the bad. The story of becoming and being
GREAT
He did not let the worst define him.
#KOBE
Put him above everyone.
Everyone gets this wrong. Kobe was listing from 3rd to 1st.
3. Wilt
2. Me (Kobe)
1. Mike
MJ was Kobe's idol.
John Bollinger bingo.
No he wasn't LMAO
Super Cool Salley..Awesome interview...
I don't think people truly understand how much information Salley chooses to hide from public camera. He's been around so many iconic actors, musicians, and athletes from the 80s. Sometimes it's not always a good thing whenever he smile constantly. I'm sure he has many dark and embarrassing stories of prominent stars from his era.
I see it as Kobe as being up there with MJ and Wilt. I didn't see as he saying he's better than MJ. Just that him and the other two are the best. But that's me. I could be wrong
With the without Rings Wilt Chamberlain is the best basketball player of all time does it matter how many games he played doesn't matter how long ago it was. He could have came straight out of junior high school and played in the NBA
@@1990758
Most players were not as skilled back then.
Competition much more improved today.
Com'on, i could beat bob cousey.
The worst players today would beat any team back then. Different time.
Players are faster stronger and way more skilled. It's called evolution.
@TheRealist 811 and rings can be a result being on the right team at the right time or jumping from Team to team
@@lapx1 Evolution supposedly takes "millions" of years bro. Not 50. 😂😂😂
In truth, players made a giant leap when scouting improved. When the game expanded and more people started playing high school ball. More players to choose from = better talent. Not to mention the training and medicals are worlds better. Everything got better. It wasn't evolution.
Always love to hear John Sally stores there real .
Kobe right for real
NOMKWEST Kobe is not even a top 10 player
Judah Mourneth smh 🤦🏽♂️🤣😂🤣
NOMKWEST hey have to keep it real
Judah Mourneth who is your ten better than Kobe??
NOMKWEST mj, Bill, Kareem magic, bird, wilt, lebron Duncan Shaq Hakeem
11th Kobe
Good to see John Sally after all these years.
greatest athlete of all time. kobe!
I think Kobe was referring to their highest point total, which would make sense if you're talking about Wilt 100 points, Kobe's 81 points and Jordan's 69 points.
Can't be because u got the admirals 71
this is a great interview
I am crying while watching this video i dont know why man!
I like these John Salley clips.
Salley is a great storyteller.
I love this man.
Kobe must've thought no one was recording that. When the ESPN documentary abt the Bulls drop in the summer everyone's going to come back to their senses.
Facts
Kobe was and remains Jordan's equal on the court. It's not hard for Jordan to admit, why is it so sensitive for you?
@@conorohara5481 We men talking sports, you bringing up feelings?? Stay focused. Kobe is equal to M.J how? Less rings despite playing with a superior teammate, or that his WHOLE style is based off M.J and he still couldn't get half as many MVP's or Defensive Player of the Year award. It's 2020, you should be seeing clearer.
You must not play basketball,@@JG-xt6eu. Media popularity contests mean nothing. Kobe elevated Jordan's skill-set. There is a reason why most players agree with me and would probably think you are dumb, as I do.
@@TurtlEfrmdaManor I don't give a fuck about what Paul Pierce or Kendrick Perkins have to say about anything.
Wilt was an athletic freak
@The R. In any era Wilt would dominate. How many NBA players now could high jump 6'8" run a sub 2 minute 800 meters , throw the shot, and bench press over 400 pounds well into his 40's.? Just because you may have not see him play don't downplay his exploits. And he still owns half of the NBA record book nearly 50 years after his retirement.
@The R. that ain't got SHIT to do with the fact that he looked like a fucking beast physically back in the day.
@The R. He was a freak in any era are you dumb? Arnold Schwarzenegger is on record saying Wilt could pick him up with one hand with ease. Arnold was 260lbs in his prime. Wilt also had a 42" vertical in his prime.
I enjoy Salley' stories.
Superb
Yo I could’ve sworn Salley told Vlad this before about hitting up Phil and going the Lakers
VLAD A STONER
No way either Wilt or Kobe better than Jordan. Jordan was the complete package.
Melchior AO and wilt wasn’t?
@@laaa7833 Nope. Wilt was a freak in an age where basketball was nowhere near as athletically competitive as it was in Jordan's era.
Kobe forever .
Man I miss kobe 💔 legends never die tho 💯
Man, Kobe at 21 gave the Spurs 33-7-7 on 53% FG and swept them. Not only that, but he attacked the basket at will and dominated in that paint with the Twin Towers there.
RIP Kobe!!
Ran 4.5
Vertical 48
Benching 650+
Coordinated
And he 72 with a Godly wingspan
If 6’6 MJ can average 37 while in the paint in the 80s/90
You really thing 50 is that far off??
Wilt Chamberlain was a 1 in Billion genetics 🧬
He was so unbelievable… literally
My PRAYERS are with Kobe BRYANT,daughter and all seven victims as well.
Bill Russell is the goat....11 championships in 13 years......no one will ever match that.....
TRUTH!!!!
15.1 ppg. Russell doesn't even qualify for the conversation. You have to meet the criteria of dominance, THEN the rings come into the discussion. That's why hardly anyone mentions Russell as the GOAT. Then you have LeBron on the other end, dominance, but not enough rings.
@@bruceleroy4539 Except it's not "stat chasing" when the player has a fist full of rings. Harden isn't in the conversation, either...because he's not a champion. This is simple really. Stats + rings = GOAT conversation. Rings + bad stats = nope. Stats + no rings = nope. You're the one who needs to up your logic game. Who else you going to bring up? Robert Horry? 😂
@@bruceleroy4539 Not sure what league expansion has to do with Russell averaging 15.1 ppg. Try again. You make this too easy.
@@bruceleroy4539 That's a lot of mental gymnastics to basically make the asinine statement that "stats are meaningless". Wilt was on some terrible Warriors teams through most of his prime. That's partly why his numbers were so ridiculous, but also partly to blame for his lack of rings.
Bill Russell had the opposite problem. The Celtics were absolutely inundated with talent. Russell was often the 3rd or even 4th leading scorer on his own team. That's your GOAT? Laughable.
The Celtics mostly played in an 8 team league and only needed to win 1 playoff series to make the Finals. I wonder what Shaq would've done to those 7 other midget teams while surrounded with multiple other Hall of Famers?
Bill Russell was collecting his 22 rebounds against players like Maurice Stokes (6'7"), Bob Pettit (6'9") and Dolph Schayes (6'8"). Seriously...those were the 3 leading rebounders behind Russell in 1958. The league average height was only 6'5" back then, which was a full 2" shorter than the average height from 1981-2018.
And since when do rebounds = GOAT? I guess Dennis Rodman was the best player on the 90's Bulls then? This is dumb. Stats matter. The GOAT should be the guy who carried his team on offense AND defense, on the way to many championships. Russell and his 15.1 ppg weren't carrying those Celtics teams offensively, and his defense benefitted due to the shorter and weaker competition of 7 teams filled with 6'7" centers.
You don't know these things and you're questioning MY knowledge? 😂
I miss you Kobe 💔💔💔😢😢😢😢
Salley sounds like a great teammate
This guy won 4 championships with 3 different Teams! Respect!!
Cant be better than someone you emulate and model your game after
RIP Kobe
Thats like saying chris brown is better than Micheal Jackson
C'mon
One Student will always kill the master
Chris Brown actually is my guy
Says who
Kobe smoked too much dope that day. Jordan scored 37 ppg in an entire season while shooting 48%. Followed it up the next season with 35 ppg and 54%. Didn't miss a game in either season. Give me anything relatively comparable that Kobe has done. I'll wait
Shut your hating ass up
They don't hear you!!!! I used to tell ppl is MJ the sun, Kobe Pluto! That's as close as it gets. Mike had no flaws in his game, offensive or defense. Only other player who fits that mold at his position is Dream
Homie broke his leg the season before the that and came back and had 37.1 Ppg. Mind you he did not even come close to shooting as much threes as Kobe or todays players like harden who depend on the 3.
@@aaronhutchinson885 his flaw was 3 point shooting. But hell, he didn't need it. People kill me with comparing these new age guys to Jordan. Look at Harden stat chasing and only shooting 44%. Any above average player can do that. T.Mac in his prime, Iverson, D Wade, anybody. But, what Jordan did on both ends was once in a lifetime. Not trying to give him too much hype but he was just so much better than anything we've ever seen.
John Sally got the juiciest / dripiest eyes in the game lol 😂
Kareem, Bi11, Wilt, and MJ can all be considered the GOAT
KAreem(longevity),Wilt(stats), & Jordan(career & 2way). I will say MJ, he was best player on all 6 championship teams, but you can argue Kareem or Wilt.
False, you need winning to be considered the best. 3 winners with stats and achievements, mike the ultimate individual and team player in terms of success/stats, russell the ultimate winner dripping in leadership, and kareem success at every level of his life and the awards
Disagree
Lebron belongs on any top 5 list. He’s an ass, but he is a top 5 ass.
@@MrJamberee no hes not top five hrs not better than bird
This tragedy don't change shit about Kobes place. Hes been top 3 for me for me since 2011
Kobe the fuckin goat!! I said it my whole life. Rip king #big goaty!!! And for those saying Kobe was playing bout that list well u don't know Kobe
Well said
That's kind of a "in the heat of the moment" list. We don't even know if he even meant in that particular order. He could've meant they all shared the top spot. But I guess anything for views, right?
Love Kobe to death..Still crying..But Mj was a different machine
@Ball Bro his machine came from the same brand as mj...you must be 23
Love Kobe but mj still the goat
John been hating on mj and mj won him a ring
He'll always be loyal to the Pistons. Him, Laimbeer and Isiah all still hate on MJ. Salley ain't fooling me when he says "I love Jordan". I see through him like he's made of glass.
MJ is not the goat! There’s Wilt and everybody else, period! Open a book, watch some highlights and stop listening to the talking heads cause MJ isn’t even in the same league (nor is anyone else) as Wilt
Jerry West was like a cross between stockton & Steph. The "Logo". Top 5 do to importance to the league.
Comical. Sally always shades MJ. Problem is sir we seen them both play. & respectfully the great Kobe Bryant’s is more from the highlight era so people remember the highlights. Same with Pippen. We seen Pippen, great defender ok scorer but he’s not on MJs level to compare the 2. MJ was really in a class of his own. Barkley, Malone, Ewing would all be champions if it wasn’t for MJ. & all 3 of those players were all time great. Hell maybe even Reggie Miller
Agreed . Salley Can be a hater. Nice guy though
Drizze Johnson Stop giving individual players sole credit. Jordan didn’t win crap with Orlando Woolridge and Charles Oakley.
gary corr Because he gives Jordan sole credit by saying he stopped other individuals.
Jason Jackson you have no point. Basketball is a team sport. That goes for every player in the history, but also with Basketball 1 player can be the difference & with the bulls Michael Jordan was always the difference on both sides of the floor. Most other players he played with were role players. Steve Kerr averaged about 6ppg wasn’t that good of a defender but people in think he was like Steph Curry lol
Drizze Johnson It doesn’t matter who you play with they all contribute. Individuals don’t win championships and we shouldn’t praise Jordan for supposedly stopping other players when he didn’t.
You should always think highly of yourself.
Always held Wilt as that dude...Probably the philly in Kobe where he saw how they try to shrink the giant of the game...
if you held your eyes closed, & listened to a 19yr old kobe, he had the same exact vocal tone & speech pattern as a 30yr old m.j.
Is it me or does it look like John is almost in tears? I think he's still feeling the tragedy.
I do believe that Kobe believed that he was better than Wilt too.. he was just probably paying respect to another Laker legend
Kobe had a horrible shooting percentage. He missed the most shots in NBA history. Kobe patterned his game and even mannerisms after Michael Jordan, which means literally, no Jordan no Kobe. If Jordan never played basketball, Kobe probably wouldn't have fell in love with the game to play or be that good. Mamba mentality is literally Jordan mentality, lets stop making stuff up about Kobe simply because he SUPPOSEDLY died. Stop with the idolatry.
Supposedly died?
@Dante The Great That's your opinion even though your obviously wrong. Did Kobe ever wear a Penny or Wilkins jersey or their shoes while knowing he would be on TV or photographed? lol Kobe was baby Jordan.
@@danthemancan231 quit talking stupidity boy
Og goes to the barbershop and gets a fresh bald head lol
The game evolves and players add to what they saw the top player do before them….Jordan always names Erving as someone he modeled his game after…..Kobe literally mimiced Jordans game and added the 3 ball to it. So if we want to be technical I do believe Kobe is the only player that could look Jordan in his face and really say "hey i might be a better player than you" lol
@the one. No you sound ridiculous all that garbage was in a different era than kobe put kobe in the same era and watch him average 50
John Salley ,was never really a good basketball player however he plays a very important historical role in the history of basketball. Anytime you played with the original Detroit Bad Boys, Michael Jordan the Bulls and Kobe Bryant the Lakers , you are legendary.
It don't matter how to jersey feels as long as the check is right. Isiah Thomas is from Chicago and he dreamed of playing for the Chicago Bulls and grew up hating the Detroit Pistons but he was drafted by them and played for them his whole career. If he was caught up in his feelings there would be no Bad Boys Pistons.
Soooo tight 😂Lakers Jersey..- John Salley
Give me Kobe "Bean" Bryant seven days a week, and twice on Sundays ...
20 years out of nba since retirement john salley still got $guap$ still not broke thanks to investments and hard work
That nigga broke watch the other Vlad interview where shaq gave him 50k Iand didnt want it back
Kobe wasn't listing all time greats. He was referring to highest individual points in a game. Wilt (100), Kobe (81), and Mike (69).
David Robinson ….
Jordan Stats 1990-1991 (27)
PTS 31.5/ Rebs 6.2/ AST 5.7 /Stls 2.7. /Blks 1.0
Kobe stats 2005-2006 (27)
PTS 35.4 /REBS 5.3 /AST 4.5/ STLS 1.8
MR. 38 SNUBNOSE I don’t think Lakers won the chip that year, Bulls did tho! RIP the great Kobe Bean Bryant tho
Check the shooting percentage that was when Shaq wasn't there and Kobe was shooting more and is shooting percentage was about 42.43%
I 💯AGREE
John Salley interviews are top 5
ITS CHILD'S PLAY!!! CHILD'S PLAY!!!!!!!!!!
I "saw" them both....KOBE by a mile!!!
He is hilarious!!
Did he say he was talkin to his barber?
Salley and Charlie Murphy would get along very well.
He’s talking about scoring not who’s the greatest
Under Cap if he’s talking about scoring then he’s wrong.
Every single scoring record wilt holds in the regular season, Jordan holds in the playoffs, the REAL NBA season.
Jordan is the greatest playoff scorer BY FAR.
Jordan had more 50 playoff games than:
Wilt
Kobe
LeBron
Harden
Shaq
Olajuwon
Bird
Malone
Jabbar
COMBINED.
Jordan holds the NBA record for PPG in the regular season AND playoffs.
Regular season:
Jordan 30.12
Wilt 30.08
Wilt only averaged 22ppg in the playoffs and 18ppg in the Finals. Pathetic. That shit he was doing in the regular season didn’t work when the games actually mattered. 🙄
While Jordan averaged 33.6ppg in the playoffs, along with 34ppg in the NBA Finals.
🐐
Under Cap if it was scoring Jabar would be #1
Under Cap IF HE WAS TALKING ABOUT SCORING IT WOULD HAVE BEEN 1.KAREEM, 2.MALONE, 3.KOBE
Tab Ash no Kareem 1st 10 yrs don’t count...
Tab Ash kobe scored 81 off jumpers and 63 in 3 quarters another game. Wilt not modern day era... they was little niggaz guarding him.
I think he was talking about How many points scored in a game.
David had 71. Jordan's not 3rd
Kobe was saying who has the most pull in the NBA all time. Wilt bullied the nba, kobe was royalty from the beginning and mj well mj is mj
Amazing, John has a BARBER!
King Of LA
I understand John respecting jerry west but if you’re gonna go with a guy from back then guard wise that is still as good and would flourish in today’s nba that would be Pistol pete. Far better than west. Avg 44 in college. 68 in an nba game without 3s. He’s the real deal nobody can dribble or pass like him without palming it these current guys and score. Complete player. As far as Kobe John played with and against Kobe and Jordan so he’d no better than any of us biased fans
1) Jordan
2) Bryant
3) James
4) Chamberlain
5) West