🇬🇧 ÖHLINS SUSPENSIONS TEST: PERFORMANCE, FEELING, LAP TIME, SETUP
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- In this episode, I put the ÖHLINS Suspensions to the test on my Suzuki GSX-R1000R. What feeling do they offer? What improvement in lap time can I get? I also give you my front forks, rear shock and steering damper settings after a full day testing.
At the end of video I also show you exactly where and how the Öhlins Suspensions offer some gains with some data analysis.
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Would be interesting to see what your tires look like after a session. Meaning your tire wear. Also would be great if you could share the data for a couple of laps. I would like some data to analyze for myself and compare your graphs.
Hi, tire wear was uniform and looking good after the day in Mallory.
You can compare your GPS datas with my laps in Mallory, Donington, Cadwell and Oulton on www.serious-racing.com + watch my onboard laps 😎👍🏻
I'd also be curious to know if the better suspension has a positive effect on tire wear
New rider: "I need more power! Give me the exhaust, power commander, dyno tune - ALL ZE POWER!"
Experienced rider. "Let's just sort the suspension..."
...and then flash&tune the ecu sw/maps, to get smooth usable power out or engine.
...suspension technician “let’s just do the front first”
Spike Robinson sort one thing at once 👌🏻
Forget power. Lose weight (bike and rider 😂)
I sort just suspension, just because I can’t afford modifying engine. Haha
Video length: 15 minutes 57 seconds.
Uploaded: 43 seconds ago.
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They know it's good.
Sylvain is the king for a brand that wants to be even closer to its customers.
Less than 3 seconds off the outright lap record on a road bike?! Damn impressive.
For sure, that's why he's a wsbk champ huh?!
He knows how to drive , if I would go there with the same motorbike I would embarrass myself😂
Silvayn a Yoshimura its a must please
Great inspiration and such a great benefit for all of us, the amateurs - when a world champ goes vlogging about our all time 'why' and 'how to'.
#AllesSilvain50
You found 1.6s a lap (and cut the gap to the record by 35%) for ~3500 pounds. That is HUGE value for money when chasing tenths. Looking forward to what you can find on some race tires in good weather. Great video.
Makes me want to buy the GSXR
Go for it.. :) The Variable Valve Timing engine on these bikes are also very sweet... Simply sublime..
It’s certainly a good advert 💪🏻👍🏼....just love my k5 too much to warrant a swap
Just got a 2015 gsxr 1000 the thing is nuts!!!!
Excellent, I'm really enjoying your videos Sylvain. You have a very enthusiastic and engaging style, that would be perfect for BT Sport or Eurosport once you decide that your professional riding days are behind you 👍👍
This man is an absolute Boss...!
Yes boss
Really useful information Sylvain..I'm actually moving away from gen 1 BMW to GSXR 1000 2019 Onwards so will likely use your setup as a base for super stock spec club racing..please could you tell me what gearing or more importantly swingarm length best suited the British race tracks..did you run with the standard length on 118 or 120 chain ? Good luck with the new chapter on the BMW..As a big team, so far so good 👍🏻👍🏻
Absolutely fascinating video, The data from the GoPro is amazing. 3 seconds off the outright lap time on road tyres and stock exhaust is amazing, surely thats the next to go? Ohh and you had your mirrors sticking out!
I know, a few mph lost in drag 😜
@@SylvainGuintoli 🤣🤣
So what this video says to me, and rightfully so is, if you're a RACER, and you're looking for that last 1.6 seconds it might be worth spending $3500 on Ohlins suspension upgrades. Oh, and if you have your own Ohlins technician on hand and a day or two of private access to a road course. At that point, is when you really need Ohlins suspension. Otherwise, for the vast vast vast majority of riders, even track riders, the OE suspension is perfectly fine and just something as simple as better tires, tuning the OE suspension, is really all that's needed.
Your videos keep getting better and better, better video quality (from what I could see, definitely when you and Andy were speaking towards the end), better audio quality, some nice editing tricks (really slick how you brought the component prices/stats in and out).
Thanks so much for sharing with us!
Really glad I paid $3k more for the R model- mostly for the upgraded suspension. FFS could have got the base model and bought O front and rear for barely more. Not a good promotion for Suzuki.
Why? You probably wouldn’t get near the limits of the OEM suspension, let alone get any further benefits from Ohlins.
@@flamintasty for someone that doesn’t have one video of themselves doing ANYTHING ya sure do talk a-lot of trash… those who can’t post nothing but 💩
Very informative, thanks Sylvain. Just shows making the suspension ‘harder’ isnt the optimum even on track.
I heard so many times in my life, that to put a ohlins rear shock on your daily street bike was completely ridiculed, because first of the prices it is, and secondly, that on the streets you will never notice it. Believe me friends it’s false, if you follow all streets regulations and speed limits ok fine,
But most peoples who rides a sport bikes don’t exactly do that, so I didn’t listen and at the time I had a Yamaha R1 2001 and a ohlins on this was near 2000$, and many laugh about me because I did, first I like to say I wasn’t a regular rider, I was more the kinda crazy one always on the back or front wheel, but not to often both wheels touching the grounds at the same time, and when turning a corner at the right speed I love to floor the gas and to leaves a big black strips on the corner, and that’s a good place for the shock to work it’s magic, because having the stock shock doing the same and theirs a lot of chances, you’ll end up either in a low side, or worst a high side, and let me tell you , you will find out it cost way more than the price of the shock, and one day I decided to change bike, so took the shock off for selling it appart, because when you sell a bike everything extra on it, nobody’s want to pay for it, so you better taking out and selling it on the side, so I was going to show my bike to a potential buyer and I did a last wheely on it ( yes it was the last one for sure ) at around 160/180 km/h the nose in the air, the bike start to dance like a spaghetti aldante, and when I landed it, it burst into the most horrible wobble I’ve ever seen ( because I took off the olhins steering damper too) so I crash, bad....... and broken my spine at 3 places, was fuck up for couples of months, had to fix the bike up to sell it , so the few times I did some tracks, my bike was already set-up with the good suspension, never tried a stock bike on track, but on the streets, I would say don’t hesitate, so for the track I’m sure it’s worth it. 👍👍👍
Awesome stuff. When you replace the tires, I'd like to see this comparison again. And for giggles, you should break the lap record for that track. You know you can lol
without a proper SBK bike, it is impossible.
Fascinating to watch, the speed curve on the data map looked smoother with the Ohlins set up. Visible gains. 👍
Yeah. Thanks for this video and the others, Sylvain. Swear by Ohlins. My first set of Ohlins were on a K6. TTX shock but not R&T forks though, just Ohlins fork internals. Made a massive difference (MH Racing over in Wiltshire).
Question: would you go further and reduce wheel weight with carbon or forged aluminium or would that upset the balance?
That would be a very interesting test 💡👍🏻
i just bought and fitted OZ wheels to my RSV mille and i can vouch for the massive difference it will make, all positive turn faster the feel in turns is impressive, i ended up with a 5 kg weight diffence, thats major on any thing that rotates, a little fettling with settings but not a lot
Those 4 dislikes are from Showa.
;-)
Hahaha!
Many riders underestimate the difference good suspension and brakes can make. I've had many supersport bikes which were sprung too light with shitty oil/valves. Ever had the feeling of the forks bottoming out and you feel like you're on cobblestones? Ever brake hard and have the rear tire bounce around? Ever feel wobbly in a corner? Yeah, all that's suspension and could be fixed for less than $500 on the cheap. It will improve your laptimes and street riding experience more than any engine upgrade would. Brakes are the same deal. I have Brembo Monoblocs on my bike and they're incredible. Steel lines and a good Radial master brake cylinder make a world of difference.
With my 90HP Hypermotard I was outlapping guys on 160hp+ bikes because I could go later on the brakes, hold more speed in corners and get out quicker.
This is great! It's all the top level secrets in the how and why but without actually giving away secrets to your racing competition because it's a standard road bike.
Quickly becoming one of the best channels on YT!
I bought a 675R for a trackday bike due to the Ohlins. Happy with my decision.
I had one for track days, brilliant bike, it’s a giant killer 👍
The problem with that kind of suspensions, if you aren't able to set them up well they can be a disaster. The OEM is not has good when the setup is great, but easier to setup
Please equalize the volume between your music and your speaking. I have to turn up my volume to hear you then turn it down for the music and it's frustrating. Otherwise great videos :)
Fascinating as always. Would love to get the chance to ride a bike equipped with this level of suspension (have Maxton on my race bike). That GPS analysis - was that all derived from your GoPro and uploaded to serious-racing? If so, I’ve got to get myself a GoPro now that the season is starting again!! Merci Sylvain 👌
Yes, this is GoPro GPS data, you can upload it in serious-racing or RaceChronoPro
I only trust and buy ÖHLINS! Best damping in the world for both bikes and cars, was at their HQ in Upplands Väsby 2 decades ago, amazing factory, saw the Motogp bikes. So conclusion is that FKR front cartridge and TTX rear is the way to go! Merci
Thanks your videos are very useful. I wish you good luck for this chanel . You are really helping many riders who dreams about being in MotoGP but they can't . You are really a great teacher as well.
Very cool and informative vid, TY! I’m curious what kind-brand of GPS data acquisition system you’re using?
I got full Ohlins on my K6 1000 best handling bike I have ridden and I been riding over 10 years. Got the full cartridge kit, damper, and shock, and ride on Pirellis
yeah, i've just fitted an Ohlins shock to my old RSV MILLE, reavalved the forks new springs and yeah the confidence it gives throgh the turns is impressive, nice to see a pro has the same conclusions
Interesting but does 1.6 sec worth that much money 3.410 GBP ??? For a rich man perhaps!
What fantastic detail for us mere mortals. Great series Sylvain 👍🏻
Very normal when you buy suspension it has to be setup....think quite a few think just bolt it on and its perfect
Every serious racer tests and adjusts, and same should go fir anyone really....
To ask a tuner to nail settings off a few questions and sheet of paper is kinda ridiculous...
Ride, test and make adjustments....its boring, time consuming but only way to really nail down proper suspension....
You would be amazed at the difference in the end
At Sylvains level its not even a question....
Brakes and suspension is key
The question is. I don't have the bucks. What are the best settings, mods or setups for crappy bikes like mine :/ ..... Great videos though, keep 'em up Mr Guintoli :)
maintain/service your stock suspension so it is fresh, and get your preload/spring rate set properly for your weight. decent tyres help heaps too, there is a lot of feel difference between different brands so find something you like.
Depends on the products you are using. Ask the brand for a base setup, then work on feel and try different ways during your rides. A good setup is usually not very far from what the brand would recommend
This is such an amazing series , brilliant ! 👍
The design of the GSXR should be re-designed, also the engine block looks little bit "old"...the exhaust system is horrible and the performance are not so we'll, compared to others rivals
What a sick content ! Thanks Sylvain for all you're doing here. By far, you own the most interesting bike specialised RUclips channel 🙂 Had the chance to meet you at the 2016 EICMA. You talked with me for few minutes (in French ! 😉), I felt blessed, as you were very humble and nice. Keep the good work 🙂
I hope Suzuki will offer good electronic suspensions on their next gixer...just because I'd like to watch you testing them
Keep this coming Sylvain, your videos are amazing, I want to have a bike sometime ( I’m looking at the Kawasaki Ninja 125 or the Suzuki GSXR 125), your videos educate me so well done 👍👍
Monsieur, juste pour être clair. Tu as élevé les fourches à travers les jougs. c'était pour améliorer l'entrée dans les virages ?
So how much for the Ohlins guy to come out and setup their $8000 forks and shock?
I appreciate it won't be up there with the Ohlins, but what did you think of the Showa kit on the R ?
I really like how deep you go into the riding dynamics and break it down so well. Great great teaching! It's a rare skill, teaching effectively. Take a bow.
your Windows is not activated.... LOL😂🤣
Thanks for the great information! Some of the adjustments you made I had never heard of before, like how the fork oil level affects the bottom of stroke feel. I always learn something new when you’re around 🤘🏼
What is the software you are using For the analysis Sylvain?
Can we have the onboard? Been a long time since I was at Mallory, a hidden gem that track. 👌
The only thing Mallory ever tested was my patience 🙃😂
The ONLY circuit in the UK I don't like.
It's ok to ride. Lethal to race. Bottlenecks everywhere.
Upbeat kinda dickhead, aren't I 😇
@@oteimoto85 Have a photo from my old gramps on his roof at Gerrard's... he used to race the Renault 5 cup a century ago 😂. He still bangs on about how much he hates that corner after rolling through the gravel 😂.
@@JSlimGaming lmfao. He had some cojones to race one of those round there.
We're pussies compared to the old guard!! 🤟
It's a suspension test you don't need on board you can get a million on board videos anywhere else. 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
@@archetypex65 ohh look, someone with a pole up his arse. If you want to watch Jerry from round the corner who thinks he's Valentino then go ahead But I'd like to see a pro strutting his business. Take ya daft comments else where pal 👍
Best channel on YT.
What steering damper settings did you end up with the ohlins?
Interesting stuff, all that loverly suspension would improve my lap time, need to get some talent first lol
Hello Sylvain, I would like to know if you still consider the best solution to raise the front bike oh the gsxr1000 2017. Thanks
For track use yes. I raised mine from standard position by 10 to 12mm.
Thank you so much. I will do!
@@giannadionisi9709 Also I would highly recommend to fit a racing steering damper for the track (I use the Ohlins one)
@@SylvainGuintoli thanks, you are very kind. A last thing. I ride in Misano and Vallelunga with 200/55 tire and 16-45 trasmission. do you think that's right?
@@giannadionisi9709 yes
Massively underrated. His potential is too good. He needs more viewers count at least. ❤️👍🏻
What do you mean by 'potential '?
Hi Sylvain , are you running the Ohlins cartridge at 120 or 130mm?
130
Notification squad. Gonna enjoy watching this in my hammock. 😀👍
Merci Sylvain for this great video.
Just a caveat for the viewers who might be tempted to throw their money away:
**** The Ohlins forks and shock do not come with the Ohlins technician. ***
Adjust-ability is the main benefits of this hardware and without the help of a knowledgeable person you might end up with a setup worse than stock.
Next video: Sylvain installs carbon wheels on his GSX-R and breaks the lap record!
Great vid once again! One question Sylvain.. what gps unit do you use on track?
This datas were recorded with the integrated GPS from my GoPro Hero7 black
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Then I used the RaceTechnology software to read the datas.
I assume many professional riders (BSB, WSBK, motogp) are watching your videos and more of them are thinking of doing videos like this in the future. Also Brands like Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Michelin, Bridgestone, Showa, Brembo, EBC, NGK, EK, DID, SBS should pay close attention to this kind of advertising because it's working really well.
Next upgrade, ABS delete 😊. Great videos Sylvain
Good idea 💡
Hello Sylvain. I Bought my GSX-R 1000 L7 (standard model) because it's fully for track days use, and thinking about complete Ohlins suspension change. So it did not make sense to invest into R model when I want different suspension anyway. So thanks for this video, its great. But before suspension change, I'm also thinking what I can do with standard one. Last time on Brno/Brunn race track, I feel I have not enough rear grip exiting corners compare to other riders on similar lap times. I gain a time on brakes and in corners, but struggling on exits. Even with Metzeler Racetec Slick K1 rubber, I cannot accelerate like other bikes, and bike pushes me very wide, and I feel rear movements. Do you or anyone else have any recommendation for standard (non R) model track day setup, especially rear shock? Will try to make it a bit harder and see a difference, but its always easier to have good solid recommendation and start from it, than make all changes itself one by one. There is plenty of recommendations for R model on BFF forks, but not for standard BPF model. PS: Good luck in Suzuka 8h :-) SERT because of Suzuki + Yart because of Karel Hanika are my horses there.
Great video and comparison, very interesting for me as a GSXR 1000 R rider on the race track. I had some problems adjusting the stock front forks as they bottomed out on the brakes no matter what I changed. Rider weight 75kg wirhout riding gear. First thing I did was changing the springs to 10,5s which already helped but not sollen the problem, even wirh compressiom almost closed. Then I raised the front from stock 16mm length over the upper clamp to 7mm, so I raised the front 9mm to remove some load from the front wheel. Again better stability on the brakes, a bit worse handling while turning but still okay and it still bottomed out. Tried 25 and 30mm rider sag (wirh warm oil), but it did not solve the problem. In that time I also installed a new rear shock with adjustible length and turned it from 313 to 318mm for handling purpose and it gave me better handling and rear grip while not making the front feel worse under braking. I sent the forks to a suspension tuner for a revalve but still the same problem. Now I bought the Öhlins FGRT 224 forks wirh a paar of 10s and 11s springs for this bike and hope I can set them up correctly to finally solve this problems. What would your suggestion be wirh the stock forks in this situation because even changing the braking style to slowly touch the front brake and them increasing whe pressure did not help. One possibility would have been 11s springs or Mode fork oil but I think in terms of sag and some handling situations that might have caused some other problems or what do you think? Another idea was that the rear shocks rebound might have forced the to forks to collapse quicker and I had the feeling that the rear was pushing the bike from the back due the increased rear grip from the shock. Lap times are always about the middle of the fastest group and tires were Dunlops D213 120/70 and 200/60 both in MS2. Had many people who just raised their shoulders because nothing worked and they had no Mode ideas. What would you try first in such a situation? Currently I think I will start with completly stock geometry with the new fgrt forks and see how they and the rest of the bike handle at about 80-90% speed and the do one step after the other. Sorry for these many questions...thank xou in advance and greetings from germany! Stay safe and healthy!
Sylvain, nice informative video in the impact of suspension upgrades.
When I inquired about the the FKR-100 kit (FKR 118) with Ohlins in Sweden for my GSXR-1000R 2020 the advise was that the kit was not suitable for 2017 GSXR1000-R BFF fork. So I am a bit confused. Did you have something special made using the FKR system? Can you share Ohlins UK contact information so I could clarify. The website for Ohlins UK that I found does not list the GSXR-1000R model in their drop down menu either ...
Was there a big difference from the stock steering damper to the Öhlins steering damper??
The stock steering damper is good, the setting adjust automatically depending on speed. The Öhlins one has no electronics but allows to set the resistance manually, which I liked a lot because for the track I want my steering damper to be very controlled.
I have finally got my showa forks tuned to a liking.... After a rebuild with springs and valves. The big down side of the bff forks is the upper bushing is too narrow
Thank you for your honest and humble videos and reviews. Just the fact you are a MotoGP/Pro rider making videos for us fans makes you more credible. You are the best moto youtuber out there. If you ever come to Southern California let me know! Will support you best way possible and show you around!👍🙏
Got TTX rear and damper but I resorting the forks so far. Looked for FKR 100 but no see.
Would like to not spend another 2k though. And at $2200 y not just get new forks fir $2500🤷♂️
Wana try to set up current fork though
Not only a quick racer but a very good with machine set up and an awesome development role,, just subscribed to the channel and very glad I did,, thank you for the video awesome viewing from Northern Ireland greatly appreciated, ☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️
2013 gsxr1000, I went ohlins nix cartridges and same rear shock ohlins ttx gp. Same setup that won Australian superbike championship that year- no complaints , front forks flush rear ride height on shock 2mm to stop tank slappers - need to playground with compression on forks as a little bit harsh for our West Australian roads but cheaper and faster than a Ducati with these mods cheers Tim
Hi Sylvain- is technology similar between the stock front suspension showa bff and the onlins… ? Thanks in advance - your content is very helpful
That is money well spent, for the A group guys, on there road bikes. Wonder what slicks or a more track day tyre would of done for your times👍 after track time with rocket Ron, I now longer put sports tyres on, just run sport touring rubber. On two track days never felt needed more, plus still had guide turning later and quicker on same bike😱👍
11:55 I'd spend much money too, on a set of Ohlins rather than paying for a Windows 10 license !!! :P :P Thumbs up for your GSXR series of videos.
Great basic setup information sharing for someone who wants to figure out what every setting does and go on improving his laptimes.
Stay safe, thumbs up again! :)
I very much appreciate your video!👍
I am also blessed to ride a 2018 Aprilia RSV4 RF LE with wings which wears Ohlins front and rear. IMHO they make me a better rider... and that is what I'm here for, not just lap times.
I dont like this video because , 4mm preload at the front with oil level that you comment in this video with 18 out with commpresion, 9.75 nm with 1000ccm you must be kidding.I saw at the video at your hard braking in which part of the stroke is your fork...this is a fake. Also I want to thank you for all others videos, exepct this. You are a great rider and great profesor, but for this sorry.
The suspension settings discussed and tested in this video are authentic, this test was conducted by myself, and under the supervision of a very experienced Öhlins suspension technician. Öhlins supplied a base setting to start with and we ended up with the modifications stated in the video, which in my opinion suited the bike very well. Best Regards.
@@SylvainGuintoli Thank you for fast reply, i'll keep learning through your videos. All the best.
Great video, can you test next time with some really sticky tyres. I used to think that the first thing would be to get the best tyres possible for track days but those types of tyres wear down fast and are quite costly. It makes more sense to upgrade the suspension first as it is not a consumable like rubber. 3k for Ohlins, that's around 10/11 sets of tyres.
Hi Champ
Brilliant 🍺
You Mentioned rear shock length, is that on the bench or installed with weight?
Fork length would also be great .
Thanks
Amazing video!!!
Very nice to see the improvement the Ohllins parts have produced!!!
Thanks a lot for making this video and for sharing with us!!!
Have a good one!!!
Looks like your on the right track!
You've figured out one part of my design from 2015!
Can you figure out the other 35x changes to get her working to win a Championship?
You have the suspension settings wrong but your on the correct path
How I can like more than once? Now seriously, your videos are from different motorcycle planet.
where to buy those front forks???
Could you have tweaked the stock suspension more to make it closer to the Ohlins and was one day better than the other as far as track grip and temps are concerned. Maybe not 100% apples to apples, but interesting nonetheless. There was also an Ohlins suspension expert there. That same level of attention was not given to the stock units. I’m not saying the Ohlins aren’t better. I know they are. I’m not sure the stockers were given a fair shake.
Hello from nyc. Sylvain, since you are a professional rider, would you say a beginner or intermediate rider would benefit more or less from suspension upgrades, vs someone of your skill level? Thank you in advance!
Hello Sylvain, which software you are using for data analysis in this video please? Thank you for your answer.
Great videos, question. Is there a way to disconnect the gsxr1000r abs just for the track and easily connect it back for the street? Thanks
Hi,
now thats a good comparison!
Question: What Software did you use for the Dataanalysis and was it only fed with GPS Data? Did not look like one of the tools you've mentioned in your Tutorial...
Hi Sylvain, I’ve been trying to figure out how you position yourself on right hand turns and I still can’t.. I feel like I’m falling off the bike if I try to hang as low as I get doing left hand turns.. could you offer any insight on what I might miss?
Since there are not many left turns, I am curious isn't it possible to run on the opposite direction on this track, so you can scrub both tires the same way? I apologize in advance, if my question is naive, as I am very far from an expert. I love your channel by the way! It's one of my favorites!
Can you make a video on why MOTOGP bikes have two exhausts and talk about the front wings they have now please.
Great quality video again as usual. Really enjoying the journey you're taking on the new GSXR1000R.
Learning heaps, your a fucking Legend.
Thanks Sylv.
Very instructional. I’ve always wondered about the real difference Ohlins can make. Now we know. Keep up the great work Sylvain.
Love your videos but hearing that same song snippet was making me a bit crazy. Next video no music/ more variation with music? =)
Sylvain, I always figured you for a good guy, and I was right! Thanks for these videos. Super enjoying them and this series.
Awesome video man!!! I have a question, what’s this program that you use to analyze your data?? Thank you so much for this content!!
very nice ! impressive results just by changing suspensions... now remove this ugly exhaust for something ligther ;)
Thanks a bunch for the break down of the suspension upgrade. As usual your explanations are clear and extremely helpful.
Which helmet are u using ?
Sylva in just awesome keep up the good work. Loving data analysis after track for an enthusiast like myself who is obsessed with bikes and racing this ticks all the boxeses 👍👍👍
awesome info, imagine having a comparison with average debate change exhaust and PCV vs suspension change
Amazing video Sylvain! Thanks, keep up the good work!