These bearings are legit. I learned of these in middle school. I wonder why even skateboarding has not adapted to a better form factor like this. GREAT JOB!
@@robertallen4378 when will you guys have these in stock? my GT hub has a crack in it. I just missed the black friday sale :( are you able to give me a rough estimate when they will be back in stock Thanks Robert!
Is this hub also compatible with the standard NSK bearings? If not I would be nervous about not being able to source the tapered bearings in the future if they needed to be replaced.
Cool idea, certainly got higher Load Rating than Ball Bearings and I really like the integration in your MTE Hubs. I only doubt that rolling resistance of tapered roller bearing is lower than BB - usually that's not the case. And due to the X-arrangement without seal on the inside, I'd be worried that the grease escapes to the inside.
We considered both those issues. There is indeed very slightly higher rolling resistance, it adds about 1 Wh/mile. A GT battery is about 500 Wh. We also inspected multiple motors after 1000+ miles and didn't find any grease escaping to the inside. Not that grease would cause any damage anyway, but we did check.
If I could buy a tfl stator, I'd be sold on this tfl platform. Gt stator is so hard to come by and makes intro into building a board from scratch more difficult than x7 with superflux. I would also know all tolerances from tfl would fit better together than shit future motion QC..
Cool idea. Will be interested in seeing how they work out. Coming from the automotive world, tapered roller bearings are used on very specific applications. Non drive axles and trailers especially. Theres almost always an allowed axial and radial tolerance on tapered roller bearings. (Up and down and side to side movement) Theres also typically little to no torque applied when setting pre load on these types of bearings. I imagine there will also be more rolling resistance so curious to see if/how it affects range at all.
Standard bearings free spinning at 20 mph use about 4 Wh/mile, and these use about 5 Wh/mile (yes we measured that!). So, they do have a tiny bit more rolling resistance as you would expect. For reference, power consumption usually ranges from 20 Wh/mile on level ground to 40+ if you're doing trails. So you're adding an additional 1 Wh/mile on top of that. You shouldn't notice a loss of range unless you typically end your rides at 3% battery.
@@robertallen4378 That’s all really cool info and if it’s like anything else you guys make I’m sure it’ll be nothing less than fantastic. Just struck my curiosity, I do like the sound of lifetime bearings.
Any Idea when you guys will have these back in stock? I'll be first on your list to get your next restock, also are you going to get other colors besides black?
If my board has a "clacky" sound when going over bumps is that bad bearings? The board doesn't have a lot of miles but not a stock tire so I wonder if it has bad or missing bearings. These look nice 👍
Hard to say without video or inspection, could very well just be loose hub bolts (outer, or if XR, possibly inner hub bolts) or something similar as well. Definitely check those out first.
What’s the resistance? Are they chromium or stainless? Can you make them with ceramic? What’s the size? inner diameter of 30mm, outer diameter of 62mm, and width of 16mm?
Are those just wheel bearings from a car with a different seal? Looks like it. Definitely would benefit from a better grease packing.. though, definitely goijng to be smoother, and last longer if it is basically wheel bearing. Just wish i knew from what car. 😅
Get some bearing protection and it will be a long time before you have any issues with your standard bearings. It's not that standard bearings don't work well enough, but we've had to change plenty of them, we hate doing it, and so this was kinda a passion project to see if we could never have to do that again.
I've had bearings that lasted less than that even. Really depends on a number of factors, but a primary one is the seal on standard bearings, which is incredibly precise and thin, and if it wears out, dust gets in and bearings are toast pretty quickly. Another issue with standard bearings is that a slight tolerance issue with the hub and you can have a lot of pre-load on the bearing when you screw the cover plate down, causing premature failure. Of course, some bearings last 3500 miles or even much more if you're lucky. We think the people most excited about this hub will be those who have had to deal with the huge hassle of premature bearing failure.
Awesome new design! I NEED you guys to make a 6" MTE so I don't have to go buy from tech rails ! I own TFL rails and blocks and I'd love to get your mtw hub as well but I want a 6" hub not a 5"
I think part of the reason they're not offering 6" is because a lot of 6" riders just opt for superflux / cannoncore. If you're hardcore enough to want 6" over 5" then you're probably just going superflux / cannoncore. Plus Onewheel sells 6" hub now, an additional competitor in the 6" space
@garrymullins onewheel sells a basic hub not a machined one so that not a comparison at all. I want a 6 over a 5 because I've got to try plenty of 5" and it's for off road as far as I'm concerned. I hated it on the concrete. So for me personally, a 6" is the perfect middle ground because 6.5" sucks ass. So I'd like a machined 6" that I can put a GTS motor in because to my knowledge you can't put a canon core nor a superflux in a billet so I'm good on those.
The fact that they don't put seal in their barings tells you all you need to know about FM. They're about money. Not customers or lasting products. Money
Interesting idea, but sadly the wrong bearing for the application... Those are for thrust loads, not purely radial loads like we see in 99% of OneWheel riding. Plus, they need correct preload to stay in place correctly and do their jobs.
Interesting criticism, but not one that I've heard from any other engineers, or read about in any application notes from any of the bearing manufacturers. This type of bearing is in fact widely used in wheeled vehicles of many kinds. By the way, if your onewheel is experiencing purely radial loads, you aren't riding it right lol. Try carving more! You are right that these bearings require a preload, which is why we designed a custom wave spring to provide the perfect pre-load for this application. Hope this product seems less sad to you now. It has certainly brought me nothing but stoke!
No one said ALL bearings will get 1-2k miles, or even that it's the average lifespan. I've personally had bearings fail in less than 1000 miles because I did a lot of winter and wet riding. It really depends how hard you ride and what conditions. Some bearings go 8000 miles. Our target customer for this hub is not someone who has never had a bearing issue and rides in optimal conditions all the time. It's the people who regularly deal with bearings failing and want to try something better.
Really? I haven't seen anyone else ever put them in a Onewheel? Also, they're literally the exact same price as the deep groove ball bearing version even though they cost us a lot more. Why are you trying to be weird and negative?
@@robertallen4378Though to clarify, while the classic XR version does not work with the XR Classic, and the GT version doesn't work with the classic XR, the GT version DOES work with the XR Classic. 😎👍
@@robertallen4378 wait so we will get an XR version also!?? When will that drop?? I see the GT version on the site, but it doesn't look like the XR one is up there yet..
These bearings are legit. I learned of these in middle school.
I wonder why even skateboarding has not adapted to a better form factor like this.
GREAT JOB!
and here I am with a 3 ton arbor press for no dang reason. Lol
But when you need it.....
@McSchwiftys_Vlog I've used it already and I will again, I'm sure
Same haha. Gotta use my SKFs first
New bearings look pretty slick! You guys never seem to stop innovating. Can't wait to try these out.
Well if we stopped innovating Jeff would fire me 😅
@@robertallen4378 when will you guys have these in stock? my GT hub has a crack in it. I just missed the black friday sale :( are you able to give me a rough estimate when they will be back in stock Thanks Robert!
These are sick! Thanks Robert!
Is this hub also compatible with the standard NSK bearings? If not I would be nervous about not being able to source the tapered bearings in the future if they needed to be replaced.
Next best bearings for the ADV?
🤞
Are the MTE hubs changed in design? That you can take off the hub cover without decompressing the tyre?
Yup
@@TheFloatLife That's great to see although I like the look of my OG MTE hub!
But can we purchase the bearings by themselves? Not seeing that option on the website.
Very interesting, curious to see how the testing turns out!
So sick!!! Awesome work 👏👏👏
Awesome product guys! 🔥🤙 Would these work on a superflux?
I placed an order. Going to pair this with an XRC and a 655
Cool idea, certainly got higher Load Rating than Ball Bearings and I really like the integration in your MTE Hubs.
I only doubt that rolling resistance of tapered roller bearing is lower than BB - usually that's not the case. And due to the X-arrangement without seal on the inside, I'd be worried that the grease escapes to the inside.
We considered both those issues. There is indeed very slightly higher rolling resistance, it adds about 1 Wh/mile. A GT battery is about 500 Wh. We also inspected multiple motors after 1000+ miles and didn't find any grease escaping to the inside. Not that grease would cause any damage anyway, but we did check.
May I ask when you changing the new 5 inch hub do you need to install the bearing again or is it pre-installed for you?
Can't wait for these!! Do we have a release date yet?
Check em' out here: thefloatlife.com/collections/onewheel-gt-accessories/products/mte-hub-5?variant=46057076490462
@@TheFloatLife Awesome! I'll be looking out for the stand alone versions, as I already have MTE's on both my boards.
I need this for my floatwheel
I bought a couple. These still have good water resistance? Wet days happen on occasion for my street board.
Fully sealed yes.
If I could buy a tfl stator, I'd be sold on this tfl platform. Gt stator is so hard to come by and makes intro into building a board from scratch more difficult than x7 with superflux. I would also know all tolerances from tfl would fit better together than shit future motion QC..
I want this but am worried about installing myself lol. Anyway I could purchase with bearings pre greased and installed?
I definitely don't need em, but I'm 1000% buying these. I'm a sucker for over engineered products.
Damn right. Well done guys! :)
Cool idea. Will be interested in seeing how they work out. Coming from the automotive world, tapered roller bearings are used on very specific applications. Non drive axles and trailers especially. Theres almost always an allowed axial and radial tolerance on tapered roller bearings. (Up and down and side to side movement)
Theres also typically little to no torque applied when setting pre load on these types of bearings. I imagine there will also be more rolling resistance so curious to see if/how it affects range at all.
More rolling resistance interesting
Standard bearings free spinning at 20 mph use about 4 Wh/mile, and these use about 5 Wh/mile (yes we measured that!). So, they do have a tiny bit more rolling resistance as you would expect. For reference, power consumption usually ranges from 20 Wh/mile on level ground to 40+ if you're doing trails. So you're adding an additional 1 Wh/mile on top of that. You shouldn't notice a loss of range unless you typically end your rides at 3% battery.
Taper roller bearings are totally used on drive axles on cars. Ultimately I guess depends on brand.
@@mwiz100 Sure, on the rear of some solid axle vehicles, but not nearly as common. Much more typical on free rolling applications.
@@robertallen4378 That’s all really cool info and if it’s like anything else you guys make I’m sure it’ll be nothing less than fantastic.
Just struck my curiosity, I do like the sound of lifetime bearings.
Are the bearings compatible with existing TFL 5" hubs or is there a path for that instead of purchasing a whole new hub?
We tried but there wasn't a chance of fitting these, especially with the need for a good outer seal to be securely locked into the hub.
Why do the seals come preinstalled on the hub? Just for them to be removed when we receive them to install?
Insane TRBs 🔥🔥
Any Idea when you guys will have these back in stock? I'll be first on your list to get your next restock, also are you going to get other colors besides black?
When is the XR version dropping?
If my board has a "clacky" sound when going over bumps is that bad bearings? The board doesn't have a lot of miles but not a stock tire so I wonder if it has bad or missing bearings. These look nice 👍
Hard to say without video or inspection, could very well just be loose hub bolts (outer, or if XR, possibly inner hub bolts) or something similar as well. Definitely check those out first.
sounds like loose hub bolts to me.
Good job team.
Very cool and interesting product! btw, no threadlocker (e.g. locktite) on the cover plate of the axle?
We haven't had an issue with them loosening, but wouldn't hurt.
Will the new bearings work on my original mte 5 inch?
Would these be worth it for an XR Classic? Also is there an installer in the SF Bay Area?
Looks awesome, is there any chance you guys release this in other colors in the future?
yes, def.
Nice jacket! Is this the new color for the TAC bomber?
Thanks. Not sure about colors. Jeff just gave me this one a while back and I didn't ask quesions.
do the ball bearing MTE hubs have enough meat to possibly be machined to fit these new roller bearings?
No, we don't think that will work. You'd have only a sliver of material left and nowhere to put the seal.
@@robertallen4378 ah thats a bit of a bummer. thanks for the input though!
For OG XR please !!!
Can we put these bearings in a stock hub? That would be awesome, I have a Pint S so the 5 inch hub unfortunately isn’t an option for me
We wanted to, but there's just no room.
Fun fact, the XR version of the MTE is compatible with the Pint S.
This is a dumb question, but will these be available for cast hubs too or no?
We'll see. If everyone wants them, maybe.
Do these fit in the tech rails 5” hub too?
Nope, custom hub required for these.
Will your bearings work with any hub?
No
Praying for a Tiffany XR MTE drop for my growler🙏🏽
Damn next level beef baby!
Can I buy that hub from yall?!
Pretty neat , pretty neat
I’m guessing we will see axle shaft failures due to dirty seals is my bet tho…
We ran one for 2k miles while pushing dirt into the seals and there was zero axle wear.
Oof, bad guess. We already tested this exact scenario to make sure it wouldn't be an issue.
@@TheFloatLife Give it to floaty mcfly and then see, lol!
What’s the resistance? Are they chromium or stainless? Can you make them with ceramic? What’s the size? inner diameter of 30mm, outer diameter of 62mm, and width of 16mm?
These add 1 Wh/mile of rolling resistance. They are stainless steel 35x55x12.
So these new bearings wont work in the old 5" hubs?
Correct
Are those just wheel bearings from a car with a different seal? Looks like it. Definitely would benefit from a better grease packing.. though, definitely goijng to be smoother, and last longer if it is basically wheel bearing. Just wish i knew from what car. 😅
We had them custom made
This is awesome, but i also just bought the MTE hub and NGL I'm a little upset now lol.
Get some bearing protection and it will be a long time before you have any issues with your standard bearings. It's not that standard bearings don't work well enough, but we've had to change plenty of them, we hate doing it, and so this was kinda a passion project to see if we could never have to do that again.
Me in the last month:
N48 MTE XR hub ✅
N52 MTE GT hub
(te replace N42) ✅
Do I return my new in box N52 MTE for these?
Weigh in people!
I mean you might as well if you can. These seem like a great improvement on the design.
Robert, Your presentation skills have really improved. Loved your comment about a everybody needing a dirty board.
I have like 3500 miles on my bearings . What do mean they only last 1000 miles
I've had bearings that lasted less than that even. Really depends on a number of factors, but a primary one is the seal on standard bearings, which is incredibly precise and thin, and if it wears out, dust gets in and bearings are toast pretty quickly. Another issue with standard bearings is that a slight tolerance issue with the hub and you can have a lot of pre-load on the bearing when you screw the cover plate down, causing premature failure. Of course, some bearings last 3500 miles or even much more if you're lucky. We think the people most excited about this hub will be those who have had to deal with the huge hassle of premature bearing failure.
Awesome new design!
I NEED you guys to make a 6" MTE so I don't have to go buy from tech rails !
I own TFL rails and blocks and I'd love to get your mtw hub as well but I want a 6" hub not a 5"
I think part of the reason they're not offering 6" is because a lot of 6" riders just opt for superflux / cannoncore. If you're hardcore enough to want 6" over 5" then you're probably just going superflux / cannoncore. Plus Onewheel sells 6" hub now, an additional competitor in the 6" space
@garrymullins onewheel sells a basic hub not a machined one so that not a comparison at all.
I want a 6 over a 5 because I've got to try plenty of 5" and it's for off road as far as I'm concerned. I hated it on the concrete.
So for me personally, a 6" is the perfect middle ground because 6.5" sucks ass.
So I'd like a machined 6" that I can put a GTS motor in because to my knowledge you can't put a canon core nor a superflux in a billet so I'm good on those.
awesome tech progression 🎉 unfortunately i only ride 6" 😢
You're missing out 🤣
@TheFloatLife 😄 meanies 😂 nah I'm good tho. stickin to the 6 life. GTS 6 in my GT-V next season 🤞🏾 u guys rule 🤙🏾
Those are some big claims😳
Y’all need a seal on the inside to boys trust me lol nothing beating them trying to clean a greasy stater 😅
We thought the grease might come out, but it never does. So, we decided it wasn't an issue.
You mean I bought this giant bearing press for my crew for nothing 😆
You can use that for all kinds of fun stuff, don't worry!
The fact that they don't put seal in their barings tells you all you need to know about FM. They're about money. Not customers or lasting products. Money
On the next “innovation” from future motion in 2025😂
Early view
That’s not how you pack grease into a tapered roller bearing.
I'm guessing you guys are using white lithium grease? I'd use red-n-tacky instead.
We recommend marine grade bearing grease
Interesting idea, but sadly the wrong bearing for the application... Those are for thrust loads, not purely radial loads like we see in 99% of OneWheel riding. Plus, they need correct preload to stay in place correctly and do their jobs.
Interesting criticism, but not one that I've heard from any other engineers, or read about in any application notes from any of the bearing manufacturers. This type of bearing is in fact widely used in wheeled vehicles of many kinds. By the way, if your onewheel is experiencing purely radial loads, you aren't riding it right lol. Try carving more! You are right that these bearings require a preload, which is why we designed a custom wave spring to provide the perfect pre-load for this application. Hope this product seems less sad to you now. It has certainly brought me nothing but stoke!
@@robertallen4378 ruclips.net/video/Dz6JAByapos/видео.html
Only getting 1-2k miles out of a set of bearings is a flat out lie
No one said ALL bearings will get 1-2k miles, or even that it's the average lifespan. I've personally had bearings fail in less than 1000 miles because I did a lot of winter and wet riding. It really depends how hard you ride and what conditions. Some bearings go 8000 miles. Our target customer for this hub is not someone who has never had a bearing issue and rides in optimal conditions all the time. It's the people who regularly deal with bearings failing and want to try something better.
You clearly stated, thats why most people don't get more than 1-2k miles out of their bearings. @@robertallen4378
This is nothing new. Glad to see yall riding coattails. Now how much will you upsell them for
Really? I haven't seen anyone else ever put them in a Onewheel? Also, they're literally the exact same price as the deep groove ball bearing version even though they cost us a lot more. Why are you trying to be weird and negative?
Nothing new? Where else can I buy these for my GT?
Might be a dumb question, but what boards will these work on? I am getting a funwheel and just wondering if they will work.
This hub will be offered in GT and XR versions. And by XR, I mean the classic XR, not the XR Classic.
@@robertallen4378 So you have to use this hub to use these bearings?
@@robertallen4378Though to clarify, while the classic XR version does not work with the XR Classic, and the GT version doesn't work with the classic XR, the GT version DOES work with the XR Classic. 😎👍
@@andrewcirco4186Correct
@@robertallen4378 wait so we will get an XR version also!?? When will that drop?? I see the GT version on the site, but it doesn't look like the XR one is up there yet..