The problem is so many people out there want to be able to create something that they can put their name on. And if they can't do that then they'll just try hard to debunk something as a back up.
That was exaxtly my comment. I said how you would use the up kick and how that position is used to moved forwards and backwards quickly, not to sit there as some sort of guard position.
Goku Mastered Ultra Instict yeah this is like 5 minutes of some of the stupidest bullshit I’ve ever heard. Why did he ever believe that butt scoot bullshit to begin with? Just nonsense.
I only train BJJ and I would never fight someone like this. I was never taught to use this to attack from bottom position. We train this to get up from the ground.
This technique is from old school Gracie bjj straight from Helio Gracie. Most bjj schools do not teach fighting, they teach sport jiu jitsu for competition.
@@J33-v5j Yeah, that's where I got my instruction as well, from a vale tudo fighter with over 50 fights. I think I'll trust his instruction. If someone goes into "smash", you upkick, you don't use a technical standup. I remember Allan Goes being feared off his back.
Yup us too. Get up from here fast or scoot fast. If we get crowded grab and pull back down. That punch from standing is going to hurt. But if your going to get up and you get rushed , laybck down and kick as he showed is what we are taught or defensive against the rush to a sweep. If your punching your not defending the sweep. Or pull guard, we put on glove 1 time a week to do the self defense stuff and see how its put together. Since this is a quick edit video and no answer to the quys own question its null. There plenty of things inkrav the out of context "will get you killed". Stay safe guys. Hope my post is legible. I'm tired , getting my 3rd shift routine back in gear lol.
@@J33-v5j The kick from the seated position is not a power kick. It's a stop kick, not a knockout kick. Helio taught people return to their backs and fight from open guard, as you see in the later half of the video. Everything Chad says here is agreeing with Helio. Gracie Combatives for example, does not teach this seated kick, it teaches the kicks from laying on your back - the ones Chad agreed are powerful.
You don’t technical stand up when the guy is rushing in, you have to fall back to guard and defend until you have space and the opponent is not actively rushing you.
You can also defend with your hands, it's not perfect, but in a "real fight" one of the worst things you can do is fall on the ground. Best to to get up and start running and hiding.
That means the tech standup is pretty useless unless you are purely grappling or the guy is a mile away! There are sooooooo many better & safer ways of gettin up. Look into taido or capoiria! They are technically on the ground but can generate ton of momentum & attack as they get up or level change etc and attack from crazy unpredictable angles dynamically- each move flowing into the next The ebi geri aka shrimp kick is perfect tool against bum rushers- if he rushes you, then he just impales himself against your heel stomp as you tripod and kick him usin your whole body! You can also use martelos and manji geri or nengeris etc. Hell even backwards rolling or maybe forward rolling are far safer options that give you momentum to attack and getup- you can add kicks to the rolls to make it more safe for you & dangerous to the opponent
That sit up position is just a momentary intermediary position right? You aren't hanging out there all day. You are only there when you have space to get up and the guy is not actively moving forward. It's only supposed to be a short term half-step between being flat on your back and being in a standing position. In other words if the guy is showing any indication of being offensive, then you would just remain in the prone position until he backs up. I don't doubt that going 100% will get you smashed, but if you do get smashed that means you are using the wrong technique at the wrong time. At least that is my understanding and I am no professional and have never pressure tested this. I am just saying that I believe this is the theory behind that particular position.
DJHamburgla You are correct. This is not meant to be a forward attacking, go-to position and it was designed to defend by heel kicking the knee of the standing adversary, create some distance and stand up in a retreating stance by back stepping.
...and ultimately it's called a "technical stand-up" and has nothing to do with that kick really. Check the match with Santos vs Moussasi. Santos did NOT use the technical standup and thus got blitzed and KOed by Moussasi. That's one example where the technical standup would have helped manage distance... It's like we're discussing the existence of Santa Clause. Is it really an issue? It's a technical standup and still your best bet. The video is titled like a click bait, but it's a good point to understand this is not a safe place to hang out.
Immediatley going to butt scooting is a bad habbit. Fuck that if I ever get in a fight and my opponent happens to know bjj and butt scoots im just throwing beer bottles at him.
Yes, I really don't understand what's going through the heads of people who defend the stance of grinding your asshole against the ground. There is an extremely rare martial art in Chinese martial arts that uses crouching stances, but it also includes techniques to move quickly while crouching, and techniques to restrain the opponent and stand up instantly if necessary. Walking on your butt might be an effective trick if it's just a playful game, but in reality it's just a delusional rule that forces your opponent to grab a nearby object and hit the immobile idiot.
Two problems: 1) typically the defender should butt scoot away from the attacker and only utilize the kick as more of a defensive post on the attacker's knees or shin when necessary (preferably to provide space for the technical standup if the aggressor is closing in). 2) the purpose of the technical standup is to get to one's feet as quickly as possible. The execution of the movement is an indicator of its purpose; hence, being the fastest way to get back to one's feet. Should be retitled misunderstanding a movement to suit his argument because he didn't know better.
BJJ is such an interesting style of fighting, when it came to popularity it was all about how revolutionary it was to combat and now that its been mainstream for a long time everyone picks it apart for how useless it can be in combat
BJJ was pretty similar to a style of Judo now called "Kosen Judo", which relied much more on ground grappling. Eventually Kano himself changed the rules of Judo to get rid of the ground grappling techniques, because he thought they were only good for winning tournaments but not good for self-defense. I have to say that I agree with him. BJJ looked good against people who were from sports that disallowed chokes. When people started to get used to that, BJJ was only kept relevant by disallowing head kicks on the ground. If head kicks against downed opponents had been kept, BJJ would have been irrelevant decades ago. Being on top is an extremely dominant position, and only special rules can take that advantage away.
The techniques demonstrated are incorrect. Hips should be off the ground for the knee check and up-kick. Also, why would anyone butt scoot "towards" an attacker in a real life self-defense situation?
because he's talking about a bad habit,reflex that you may have if you're into BJJ,not to get up early as soon as you can,you get comfy in that position like you're in your gym,he should amphasize a little more about that aspect,maybe there are crazy people out there thinking they're gonna x guard or heel hook their attacker like a walk in the park.
I was about to say, I have seen in the ring and have ended a fight, myself, kicking from the ground. But then I saw that you were talking about, from sitting on your butt, not your back. Now that's laughable. Of course there is no power or even range in doing that. The getting up technique is fine. You kick from the back, to get distance, then get up like that. Works great!
I was taught.... The moment you sit up get up. The whole idea of getting up in base is to create space so you can get up. Great theory but a little flawed.
People saying 'It's not done right etc" - RUclips is full of videos of people doing this in competiions... how you train is how you fight and the style NEEDS to remove this. It justy looks pathetic and undermines the style hugely when compared to Judo, Sombo and Wrestling. This is a bad, bad thing to do. "Yes you can say it's a transition move to get up." Then, when you look on the videos here you will see it's evolved into a terrible part of some peopels actual FIGHT GAME and it's pathetic.
I always thought that the get-up was if the attacker followed you to the ground and is trying to mount you, but you create space with you arm and hip out to return to your feet quickly. The break fall in the beginning is to simulate being taken down and falling safely
Good point though I think it should be directed to individuals who assume that kick was meant to deliver power. It is my understanding that it was designed as a ‘stop kick’ so in other words, use it to push off (similar to pushing off a wall) opponent while attempting to keep him from mounting you. The push off aids with required leverage to get back to your feet. The ‘upkick’ as demonstrated also used in BJJ was the one designed to attack as illustrated here. Well timed, I think it could still work against a good fighter and if memory serves me well; I’ll say Royce Gracie successfully used it against few good fighters.
The difference is the first one has never been used effectively in MMA, while the other is used all the time. It's very hard to get BJJ cultists to admit when their art is wrong about something.
I’d Love to see this guy go to the Gracie academy and have this discussion with Renner and see how that goes. Something tells me this guy isn’t a very high level jiu jitsu practitioner but I could be wrong
Renner would agree. He is attacking a straw man of a technique, the first thing he did does not exist, the second thing he did is the actual jiu jitsu technical stand up.
Badger0fDeath yes, he is explaining why this made up bullshit that he’s calling BJJ won’t work in self defense. If he was a high level BJJ practitioner he would probably know that he is teaching nonesense. The “correct” version he teaches at the end is something you would teach a white belt and it’s fine. But that butt-scoot leg kick shit is just nonsense.
I have been taught this, but there's a difference between what I was taught and what is shown here. I was taught to post up on my supporting hand and use that to swing into the kick, like a pendulum. That kick has power. Thought I do confess I did experience similar problems with being able to keep the other guy at enough of a distance to where I could get up safely. Probably because I have short arms and long legs. Most of the time in practice I would kick a few times, wait for the guy to close in a bit more after he thought he had the timing, and then buck him over head kinda like a sacrifice. Anyway here's a video showing what I mean. ruclips.net/video/PkoY0Jdiabk/видео.html
I was taught the technique in my BJJ school many years ago, but it was not meant to ever be a technique that had the ability to finish or injure anybody. The goal was to keep distance to give enough space and time for a person to get back up. With that said, a person attempting to do the kick and technical stand up, as actual offence in a street fight will probably get injured or beaten. There still is a difference between street and sport versions and what techniques are intended for.
@@mymartialartsjourney8714 Okay, so where is the video of you using this in a pressure-tested situation, with someone beating on you? Even the Gracie's don't use this dumb move in mma matches. You know what most people use in mma? The wrestler's stand up, from all fours. Even in matches with soccer kicks to the head allowed, this one has proven its value again and again. Wrestlers are experts in getting up from the ground; BJJ guys almost never actually drill getting up because they would rather lie back and try to win the fight from their backs.
He seems to be doing the in correct kicks. I'm the way we are taught the hips come up off the ground, generating power. I still don't know if it'll work it MMA but they way he showed it is not the most effective way it's done
Jiu Jitsu can get you killed in millions of ways. The easiest way to die is “ground-fighting” with someone while his friends kick in your rib cage. What you need to know is that 80% of Jiu Jitsu is “combat sports” and NOT fighting, just like “Boxing”, by the way. If you try to box with someone in a real fight, his friends will circle around you and crack the back of your skull. There are opportunities from the fallen position, but you won’t learn them in “combat sports”.
So lets see a better technique to stand up then. This is 100x superior to going hands and knees completely exposing your back to stand how wrestlers do
Its not so much a matter of bad technique, its the execution of the technique. The way it is taught in most Jiu-jitsu school is not really the most effective way to do it. The title of the video is click bait. ANYTHING can get you killed when applied at the wrong time the wrong way. Also if he doesn't think I can generate power and get my hips into a kick from there Lets pressure test it. I'll bet you wont want more than one or two. The way the guy on bottom is doing it is not correct.
No, you can't kick in a threatening way from that position. You think you can, bu you can't. If anyone can, it's people who kick all the time and those types of guys are also those who would be completely unfazed having that done to them. Stick to your guns.
@@honigdachs. Actually I can. Not the kick he is showing in this video. The kick comes from the side and the hips are off the ground to generate power. I stopped teaching the one he is showing years ago.
This title is misleading not all Jiu-Jitsu fighters are going to do that little knee kick you were showing. To sum up all Jiu-Jitsu in one move is kind of ignorant.
This video makes a good point but doesn't fully explain it. The point is the kick has no power and throwing it might get you hit. If you have the space, skip the kick and do the technical stand. Another thing it overlooks is beginners can use the momentum from the kick to help them stand so it might b q good way to start off but don't plan on kicking anyone in a fight.
I attended Relson Gracie affiliated academy. We're taught to stand up in base. Which this is what he is showing, but doing it incorrectly. Also, we don't kick to the shin when our "attacker" is on top of you. Your best bet is to lay flat shoot for a up kick if they try to come over the top with haymaker. This technique is solely to get you to your feet if you have enough distance to get up quickly, efficiently, and effectively to get in to base. That's it. It's not a position to try to defend from, and certainly not attack.
The technical standup is the way to get up. The way he and his student are doing it... are wrong. The other ways are to sit up, face first, which gets you soccer kicked in the face. Or you can roll to your belly and stand up, exposing your back and getting mounted and smashed from behind. The technical standup works and is lightning fast, if the guy is coming for offense and is giving you no space, you upkick or play other guard tricks, you don't kick him in the knee. The kick is to gain momentum and to judge distance.
Use the more powerful kick he shows to create space, then flip over to all fours and either take off like a sprinter on blocks or get up like a wrestler. Wrestlers are the experts in getting up from the ground. Watch Sakuraba's fights to see how he got up in MMA matches from a turtle position. They called Sakuraba "the Gracie Hunter", btw. I swear these BJJ cultists are acting like Aikido cultists. "Well the technique is good you're just doing it incorrectly." Smh. I could show you thousands of MMA matches where the wrestler's standup is used effectively from a turtle position. There is not one MMA match where a technical standup is used effectively under pressure.
By definition, any technique has a counter technique. The technical stand up can and will work, and I have pressure tested it. It also can also be countered. Practice.
We have ground fighting techniques innkarate as well (ne waza). The aim is to keep the opponent at bay and get back on feet ASAP. If the opponent get to mount on top of you, then pull him down to ground and get on top of him (reversal).
I'm thinking he was taught this wrong. I was taught to actually kick the knee to get some leverage to get back to my feet. It's not a threat, it's an actual kick. How else would you try top get back up? Or would you lay on your back, and kick that way?
@@kevintse2870 Right, but that wasn't the purpose of that technique, if you go back to the guys who originated it. My instructor was an old school guy and, he said that it was for using the opponent to help you get to your feet. It wasn't meant to stop him, but you were better off on your feet than on the ground, unless you took him there. It was the best way for someone to get back to the feet, because you were facing the opponent. It's a neutral position, like the guard was. I'm guessing that in the 30 years since BJJ has been here in the US, the original meaning got lost with the new generations that were taught it.
The kick is supposed to get people to back away from you. You do a few butt scoot kicks going forward and then get up with a technical standup moving away from the attacker. In theory the opponent would back away to avoid the kick. In reality, as what this video explains, is that it doesn't work against everyone. Especially people who train mma.
The one thing that's really weird: hook one foot around the back of their ankle and put your other foot just above the knee and push. It's weird. They just have to sit down, and you can get up.
Kicks from a supine position like that are common in everything I've seen about gou quan (dog boxing, aka Chinese ground fighting) To see credence leant to such techniques from someone who his background is encouraging. I'm putting together an organization, "Traditional Martial Arts Research and Advancement Coalition" (TMARAC) committed to functionalizing traditional martial arts. Gou Quan is one I've been wanting to save for years.
That position is just long enough so you can decide if you can get up, or go back to your back to deliver those powerful kicks. You don't just sit there like that.
This guy doesn't give an alternative but basically the answer is "get up like a wrestler". Watch Sakuraba's fights for context, but really half the MMA fights you see will have someone getting up using the wrestler's method of turning to all fours. Yes it gives up your back but the man with his back turned is dangerous too.
It's actually an old school self-defense move. It was developed long before MMA was around. To put it in the context of an MMA fighter is missing the point. It would probably still work against the average dude who doesn't train 26 hours/week.
Chris Baldwin that’s not there point man. What if you were attacked by a pro MMA fighter? You should only use shit that works against pros, lest you should be assailed by one. Although, this technique is literally never taught anymore unless your instructor is bullshitting you. That position is only used to do a technical stand up
Lol wut? This is suppose to be a transitional technique. Ur not suppose to just hang there and start engaging ur opponent like that. Ur suppose to use it quickly to stand up and get on ur feet.
You're supposed to get down if the opponent is close to you. You don't kick while seated. You're demonstrating the actual bjj tecnique, so nothing to learn here. Clickbait. Dislike.
Thanks Brother for this video and your real world experience, I once had a similar experience in Wally Jay's Judo/Jujitsu class. I was using the scarf hold, kesa gatame, while in the side mount over a new class mate. I told him to get out of this hold so not knowing the Judo rules he simply used a Jujitsu hair pulling technique which made me let go. That, too, was a revelation.
James Dotson so anybody who teaches MMA doesn’t know? Thanks for enlightening me. Anyone who says anything doesn’t know anything. Look it’s just facts that if you’re fighting or sparring and someone pulling your hair makes you let go of everything you need to toughen up or do something else
I was just kidding you man, but I've got to wonder if you've ever either ripped someone's hair out of their head or had it done to you. No offense meant.@@ficedulamortis6434
I was just teasing you. Come to think of it though you must be a very senior grand master if you criticize a technique which Wally Jay thought useful.@@ficedulamortis6434
If they come in you're supposed to up kick, you wouldn't just stay seated. It's also not a position you're supposed to stay in. In bjj you drill what we call, the reverse and forward arm drag, which is used to make and close distance very quickly in order to sweep or get up. Of course if you use a technique wrong it's not going to work.
Training is all fun and good. I do train, but lets me honest. I am going to count on my boomstick with 00 buckshot to handle business. I started realizing how much money I wasted over the years. For a years tuition you can get some pretty damn nice guns.
You can have to fight your way TO your weapon . I have been through this with people before " do you have your boomstick with you? No? Ok then Then try for example and draw your mobile phone and point it at my face , see what happens when i see you reach for your waist" Fight to create space, fight to your weapon. Firearms aren't as magical as people dream.
round, front, side, up kicks can be used from this position. they are ment to keeo pepole at bay. why would you let some one get that close to you. even the graices use kicks and there knees to keep pepole at bay so that they can gain positon to set up to tap someone out.
I'm a purple belt. I say all butt scooters are chickens scared of takedowns.If one tries to butt scoot, I never engage and ask them if they're gonna fight like men coz I don't fight women.
I think in the context of MMA or a live fighting situation this video is applicable. But jiujitsu itself does not allow strikes. So butt scooting to create space and then allow yourself to stand without the fear of taking a punch or a kick likely still works.
Daniel Reyes no one burr scoots towards someone though. If your instructor is teaching you to butt scoot towards someone like that, and not away from someone so you can do a technical stand up, your instructor is bullshitting you
You got mounted from that position? Why didnt you revert to your back and good foot pressure on their hips or a butterfly guard for sweep attempt? Or just sit there like a kid on the beach getting sand kicked in your face? No fighter just sits there
Respectfully, I’m not sure I understand. How were they mounting you and punching you from there? When you rush in on the bottom guy like that to get close, with your legs wide open, you’re just pulling yourself into single leg x / ashi garami and getting your legs broken if they guy on bottom has halfway decent reflexes and any kind of leg game whatsoever. I thought you were going to show the top man maybe employing kicking strategies or something, but just rushing in like that with legs wide open over a competent seated guard? How do you avoid getting put into single leg x / ashi garami? The bottom guy can just fall back to supine creating distance from your fist to his head, and then wrap your legs right up, and start sweeping and breaking. Don’t get me wrong, butt scooting in a striking situation seems foolish, but so does standing over someone with your legs wide open if they have even blue belt level leg locking skills. Maybe I’m missing something! Will pressure test it the next time we put the gloves on. Hope I don’t get my bell ring too badly lol. But from a leg lock perspective, the person coming toward you with wide open legs is exactly what you want.
Jujitsu like all fighting forms have thier flaws in one way or another. To say that it will get you killed would be to misleed and take away from the beauty of learning one of the best martial arts on the planet. Jujitsu is just one integral part of becoming a fighter. Your title should rather be things in jujitsu than can get you killed..
Tom Turtle Position exposes the back of your head and rib cage and you have no mobility if you’re mobbed. You’re better off laying on your back and kicking while protecting your head with your arms. Think outside the box of just Jiu Jitsu. Jiu Jitsu is good, but other styles bring good technique to the street as well. Don’t risk becoming a Jiu Jitsu-only nazi.
@@wattlebough Turtle position is a technique that should just stay in a competition fight. People should try to use there brain and use techniques that are fit for a street fight, of course no one should lay on the floor when they fight
After rewatching this the older guy is not using proper technique. Second, Unless you have the reflexes of goku you’re not going to be able to do his counter. As soon as someone comes in the guy on bottom isn’t just going to sit there like “oh crap, he got me”. They’d pull guard or roll. Here let me show you... grab my wrist.
I know that instructor personally and have trained with him. He's a legit black belt and previous swat operator with one the best swat teams in the nation . Don't be disrespectful before you know who you are talking about.
Chad McCasland I’m an amateur MMA fighter. No one teaches you to butt scoot towards an opponent and do that kick. If they teach you that they aren’t legit. The point of that position is to get up as fast as possible, nobody stays in that position waiting for the person in MMA
Watch Icy Mike do it, you're supposed to lift your butt up and kick in a battering ram motion, there's your power. Of course it's not the fastest kick that kick should be made if you're trying to stand up and your butt is already above the ground just swing back down like that swinging boat in the theme park and crash at the leg. In that position range can also be controlled though the kick should be performed at a bit far range when you have the chance to do the technical stand up because if it misses boom the opponent has side control
Jiu Jitsu addresses the high percentage the bodies will eventually clinch and go to the ground. And that has been proven. But yes... Like any other art when they address something that is no in their core principles there are going to be flawed. Temporary flaws. Wrestlers and Jits guys can adjust and bring the fight to their world at a higher percentage than a pure striker's timing. I appreciate it all but I'm trying to balance what he is saying. I get it
If you do BJJ/MMA and have never been taught a technical standup you should find a new gym. This guy's explanation and scenario is pretty shit, this not a stationary position, you should be in that position for literally less than a second when you have created space.
Check out Enson Inoue vs Randy Couture his leg kicks from the butt scoot were brutal. It’s like any strike or technique you have to know how to use it properly.
That's a completely different kick. The one they teach in BJJ is a stomp. So you'd have your left foot and right hand carrying your weight, while your right foot stomps at the guy's leg. And I don't know the rules of that fight but Couture made no attempt to kick the guy on the ground or attack him while he was getting up. Probably because it was only Couture's fifth mma fight and he was afraid of his opponent's submissions, which he was not very good at defending as a former wrestler (he ended up getting arm-barred in that match).
I'm a white belt and I'm not a fan of the technical stand-up either... not because it doesn't work or whatever, but because I'm an uncoordinated dingus who looks like an idiot every time I try to do it.
@@yuu0294 I wish I would have tried my hand at wrestling in high school while I had the chance. I still kick myself for that, but I hope to pick it up still. A lot of people don't have the option.
That's the issue with sports jiu jitsu - people started to use a transitory, very weak position against strikes into a good defensive position if all your oponent can do is to grab you. It's like that idiotic "pulling guard" thing. The other guy can't even fall over you or it's foul play - talk about useless distortion of technique.
You don't stay there. In fact, guys who have a really good jiu jitsu game use that to get to x guard, outside hooks ect... it doesn't work if you just sit there and kick at thier knee. I mean that just goes without saying.
This is, with all due respect, the 100% wrong way to use that position. OF COURSE you got your head boxed in because again, you don't "fight" from that positio, That is PURELY a transitory move..you obviously learned your lesson the hard way.
Sorry I'm not going to be polite about this one, if you have an opportunity to get up...GET UP. Its a principle or *real* jujutsu I can't believe this is even a discussion. What's next " should i give my back?" For real?
The people titling this video are either just using it as click bait or they dont know what they're talking about. The gentleman in the film doesn't know how to kick from a technical get up. If you think that position would "get you killed" then you need to watch some fights.
this instructor either does not know or wants to deceive. In jiu-jitsu the ground defense always begins with the back to the ground. Defense with legs. Same position as this idiot showed at the end. the position he shows at the start occurs after containing the momentum of the opponent. When you have to get up back to the ground can not get up and no one wants to get on the ground picking up.
You use tactical stand up to STAND UP, not to fight. I’m not going to even waste my time trying to explain this, anyone who trains, and has common sense knows what I’m talking about. Terrible misunderstanding.
Only if the guys technical standup is garbage and unpracticed against a striking or charging assailant. Also it's better to kick off the hip and not the shin in a live match. Acts like a teep, helps block progression, and destabilizes the person standing.
Yeah I seen Chocolate Star fish cover one too many times. Some guy stuck his toe in there. Oopps. Jump over those legs and two feet to the head and stomp on it.
Lol there’s nothing in this to indict bjj ad a discipline; just a well-reasoned opinion on the danger of using the butt scoot in a real fight. Why insult our intelligence with the title? Why not say what the video actually is? (Which is interesting and useful)
This is just stupid. I’ve never been to a gym that teaches you to sit on the ground and kick at the legs. A technical stand up is about getting up... not sitting on the ground. Show me a better way of standing up without getting kicked in the head.
What is that word? Is that like code for "Am I black?" No, I'm white and tired of not being able to find decent instructions anywhere. It's just guys like "You" with classes filled with "That" are completely damn worthless. No one spars for real in that class, no one bleeds, it's sissy. And when you take such a class and get in a fight, then you'll see that it's a little more complicated than what this guys says it will be- once you're as good as he is. You'll be on the ground getting your ribs bashed in wishing you'd followed the instructions of an ACTUAL FIGHTER. Your language is immature.
The butt scoot technique is a way of off setting judo. Nothing more than that. I don't agree with using it but its effective in jiu jitsu competition. The truth is if you're at a jiu jitsu tournament it's all about being on the ground. If the other guy is better at judo why even tempt him to throw you? It's the same as pulling guard. It's just that some people rely way too much on butt scooting and it makes them look stupid. If it was a fight where people were striking then it would be stupid. You're confusing a sport with a fight. No striking in jiu jitsu buddy.
I think that he's trying to say that learning jiu-jitsu it's a must because there are situations that jiu-jitsu will make the difference but we shouldn't rely on Brazilian jiu-jitsu as a principal art because of its lack of strikes and kicks including defences against that same strikes , knifes and baseball bats are also not covered but jiu-jitsu so jiu-jitsu works better as a helping art that one must have on aside .... As a primal art one must have some that covers strikes and kicks, defenses against the same strikes , knifes and baseball bats, including some japanese Ju-jutsu techniques, do sparing and set that art as your principal art and then bring the Brazilian jiu-jitsu or wrestling for the grappling part and submission. ... I belive that this is what he meant to say ... First as a principal art one must choose Bujutsu what ever the art one choses it must give the answers to any conflict situation like an art of war Bujutsu that's covers all aspects of combat and then have the Brazilian jiu-jitsu or wrestling for grappling and submission part to complete the circuler of defense knowledge. ..
This guy is so out of shape lol and his technical stand up looks like shit. That specific technique is used in order to get back to your feet not to be the aggressor. Plus you've got to do the technique correctly which he was not doing. make them think that the knee blow is going to happen in order to give you time to stand up and decide if you'd like to engage your opponent or Escape.
The title should be "Executing this technique incorrectly at the wrong time can get you killed." Fixed it for you.
The problem is so many people out there want to be able to create something that they can put their name on. And if they can't do that then they'll just try hard to debunk something as a back up.
I learned you have to be off the ground when you kick
That was exaxtly my comment. I said how you would use the up kick and how that position is used to moved forwards and backwards quickly, not to sit there as some sort of guard position.
@@Aaron_Rodriguez808 100% so many of these, rex Kwan dos teaching the "real street fighting arts". Fho
Goku Mastered Ultra Instict yeah this is like 5 minutes of some of the stupidest bullshit I’ve ever heard.
Why did he ever believe that butt scoot bullshit to begin with? Just nonsense.
I only train BJJ and I would never fight someone like this. I was never taught to use this to attack from bottom position. We train this to get up from the ground.
Exactly. The only alternative is to get up face first, which gets you soccer kicked in the head.
This technique is from old school Gracie bjj straight from Helio Gracie. Most bjj schools do not teach fighting, they teach sport jiu jitsu for competition.
@@J33-v5j Yeah, that's where I got my instruction as well, from a vale tudo fighter with over 50 fights. I think I'll trust his instruction. If someone goes into "smash", you upkick, you don't use a technical standup. I remember Allan Goes being feared off his back.
Yup us too. Get up from here fast or scoot fast. If we get crowded grab and pull back down. That punch from standing is going to hurt. But if your going to get up and you get rushed , laybck down and kick as he showed is what we are taught or defensive against the rush to a sweep. If your punching your not defending the sweep. Or pull guard, we put on glove 1 time a week to do the self defense stuff and see how its put together. Since this is a quick edit video and no answer to the quys own question its null. There plenty of things inkrav the out of context "will get you killed". Stay safe guys. Hope my post is legible. I'm tired , getting my 3rd shift routine back in gear lol.
@@J33-v5j The kick from the seated position is not a power kick. It's a stop kick, not a knockout kick. Helio taught people return to their backs and fight from open guard, as you see in the later half of the video.
Everything Chad says here is agreeing with Helio. Gracie Combatives for example, does not teach this seated kick, it teaches the kicks from laying on your back - the ones Chad agreed are powerful.
You don’t technical stand up when the guy is rushing in, you have to fall back to guard and defend until you have space and the opponent is not actively rushing you.
You can also defend with your hands, it's not perfect, but in a "real fight" one of the worst things you can do is fall on the ground. Best to to get up and start running and hiding.
@@qazmko22 yes of course. But this assuming you are already on the ground, as the video shows.
They can just rush while you're getting up lol.
Yeah, that’s what he’s saying in the video.
That means the tech standup is pretty useless unless you are purely grappling or the guy is a mile away!
There are sooooooo many better & safer ways of gettin up. Look into taido or capoiria! They are technically on the ground but can generate ton of momentum & attack as they get up or level change etc and attack from crazy unpredictable angles dynamically- each move flowing into the next
The ebi geri aka shrimp kick is perfect tool against bum rushers- if he rushes you, then he just impales himself against your heel stomp as you tripod and kick him usin your whole body! You can also use martelos and manji geri or nengeris etc.
Hell even backwards rolling or maybe forward rolling are far safer options that give you momentum to attack and getup- you can add kicks to the rolls to make it more safe for you & dangerous to the opponent
BJJ guys in comments "No BJJ guys actually butt scoot and kick in real MMA matches"
Me: watching Sakuraba fight Royce Gracie
Royce standing with Sakuraba would have been tactical suicide
@@aqdjbcr True I think Sakuraba had better grappling and scrambling than him as well though.
That sit up position is just a momentary intermediary position right? You aren't hanging out there all day. You are only there when you have space to get up and the guy is not actively moving forward. It's only supposed to be a short term half-step between being flat on your back and being in a standing position. In other words if the guy is showing any indication of being offensive, then you would just remain in the prone position until he backs up. I don't doubt that going 100% will get you smashed, but if you do get smashed that means you are using the wrong technique at the wrong time. At least that is my understanding and I am no professional and have never pressure tested this. I am just saying that I believe this is the theory behind that particular position.
DJHamburgla You are correct. This is not meant to be a forward attacking, go-to position and it was designed to defend by heel kicking the knee of the standing adversary, create some distance and stand up in a retreating stance by back stepping.
@@PauloBerni699 Also this guy totally exacuted the technical stand wrong that not a BJJ tech stand up that a clown show mcdojo
DJHamburgla exactly
I think the point is that a lot of people tend to stay in that position, incorrectly using it
...and ultimately it's called a "technical stand-up" and has nothing to do with that kick really. Check the match with Santos vs Moussasi. Santos did NOT use the technical standup and thus got blitzed and KOed by Moussasi. That's one example where the technical standup would have helped manage distance... It's like we're discussing the existence of Santa Clause. Is it really an issue? It's a technical standup and still your best bet. The video is titled like a click bait, but it's a good point to understand this is not a safe place to hang out.
Butt scooters getting butt hurt in the comments
Musumeci rant incoming
Immediatley going to butt scooting is a bad habbit. Fuck that if I ever get in a fight and my opponent happens to know bjj and butt scoots im just throwing beer bottles at him.
Yes, I really don't understand what's going through the heads of people who defend the stance of grinding your asshole against the ground.
There is an extremely rare martial art in Chinese martial arts that uses crouching stances, but it also includes techniques to move quickly while crouching, and techniques to restrain the opponent and stand up instantly if necessary.
Walking on your butt might be an effective trick if it's just a playful game, but in reality it's just a delusional rule that forces your opponent to grab a nearby object and hit the immobile idiot.
Two problems: 1) typically the defender should butt scoot away from the attacker and only utilize the kick as more of a defensive post on the attacker's knees or shin when necessary (preferably to provide space for the technical standup if the aggressor is closing in).
2) the purpose of the technical standup is to get to one's feet as quickly as possible. The execution of the movement is an indicator of its purpose; hence, being the fastest way to get back to one's feet.
Should be retitled misunderstanding a movement to suit his argument because he didn't know better.
Watching old school JMMA and seeing all the soccer kick TKOs makes me never want to butt scoot again
This guy reminds me Thanos. Deep, calm voice. Brutal atitude.
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There is a big understanding here
You nead to know hot to use it
I used it in a pro mma fight
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"jiu jitsu will get you killed, do jiu jitsu instead"
BJJ is such an interesting style of fighting, when it came to popularity it was all about how revolutionary it was to combat and now that its been mainstream for a long time everyone picks it apart for how useless it can be in combat
BJJ is a cult.
BJJ was pretty similar to a style of Judo now called "Kosen Judo", which relied much more on ground grappling. Eventually Kano himself changed the rules of Judo to get rid of the ground grappling techniques, because he thought they were only good for winning tournaments but not good for self-defense. I have to say that I agree with him. BJJ looked good against people who were from sports that disallowed chokes. When people started to get used to that, BJJ was only kept relevant by disallowing head kicks on the ground. If head kicks against downed opponents had been kept, BJJ would have been irrelevant decades ago. Being on top is an extremely dominant position, and only special rules can take that advantage away.
@@TeacherDoug7 Nonsense. Chokes are part of Judo. They're also part of Shooto, which was Ken Shamrock's background.
The techniques demonstrated are incorrect. Hips should be off the ground for the knee check and up-kick. Also, why would anyone butt scoot "towards" an attacker in a real life self-defense situation?
because he's talking about a bad habit,reflex that you may have if you're into BJJ,not to get up early as soon as you can,you get comfy in that position like you're in your gym,he should amphasize a little more about that aspect,maybe there are crazy people out there thinking they're gonna x guard or heel hook their attacker like a walk in the park.
I was about to say, I have seen in the ring and have ended a fight, myself, kicking from the ground. But then I saw that you were talking about, from sitting on your butt, not your back. Now that's laughable. Of course there is no power or even range in doing that.
The getting up technique is fine. You kick from the back, to get distance, then get up like that. Works great!
I was taught....
The moment you sit up get up. The whole idea of getting up in base is to create space so you can get up.
Great theory but a little flawed.
People saying 'It's not done right etc" - RUclips is full of videos of people doing this in competiions... how you train is how you fight and the style NEEDS to remove this. It justy looks pathetic and undermines the style hugely when compared to Judo, Sombo and Wrestling. This is a bad, bad thing to do. "Yes you can say it's a transition move to get up." Then, when you look on the videos here you will see it's evolved into a terrible part of some peopels actual FIGHT GAME and it's pathetic.
I always thought that the get-up was if the attacker followed you to the ground and is trying to mount you, but you create space with you arm and hip out to return to your feet quickly. The break fall in the beginning is to simulate being taken down and falling safely
" committed adversary", good term. Would like to train with this guy...Why?...geezer power born of time & experience.
Thank you for debunking. This is one of those techniques I often wonder it's effectiveness
Good point though I think it should be directed to individuals who assume that kick was meant to deliver power. It is my understanding that it was designed as a ‘stop kick’ so in other words, use it to push off (similar to pushing off a wall) opponent while attempting to keep him from mounting you. The push off aids with required leverage to get back to your feet. The ‘upkick’ as demonstrated also used in BJJ was the one designed to attack as illustrated here. Well timed, I think it could still work against a good fighter and if memory serves me well; I’ll say Royce Gracie successfully used it against few good fighters.
The difference is the first one has never been used effectively in MMA, while the other is used all the time. It's very hard to get BJJ cultists to admit when their art is wrong about something.
I’d Love to see this guy go to the Gracie academy and have this discussion with Renner and see how that goes. Something tells me this guy isn’t a very high level jiu jitsu practitioner but I could be wrong
You are wrong. You should research his credentials.
Renner would agree. He is attacking a straw man of a technique, the first thing he did does not exist, the second thing he did is the actual jiu jitsu technical stand up.
César Alves exactly this.
This video is like “I don’t know what to talk about but I need something clickbaity.”
Badger0fDeath but he’s instructing BJJ techniques so... he should.
Badger0fDeath yes, he is explaining why this made up bullshit that he’s calling BJJ won’t work in self defense. If he was a high level BJJ practitioner he would probably know that he is teaching nonesense. The “correct” version he teaches at the end is something you would teach a white belt and it’s fine. But that butt-scoot leg kick shit is just nonsense.
I have been taught this, but there's a difference between what I was taught and what is shown here. I was taught to post up on my supporting hand and use that to swing into the kick, like a pendulum. That kick has power. Thought I do confess I did experience similar problems with being able to keep the other guy at enough of a distance to where I could get up safely. Probably because I have short arms and long legs. Most of the time in practice I would kick a few times, wait for the guy to close in a bit more after he thought he had the timing, and then buck him over head kinda like a sacrifice. Anyway here's a video showing what I mean. ruclips.net/video/PkoY0Jdiabk/видео.html
You are right. It's very noticeable that the guy in this video doesn't understand the technical stand up
I was taught the technique in my BJJ school many years ago, but it was not meant to ever be a technique that had the ability to finish or injure anybody. The goal was to keep distance to give enough space and time for a person to get back up.
With that said, a person attempting to do the kick and technical stand up, as actual offence in a street fight will probably get injured or beaten. There still is a difference between street and sport versions and what techniques are intended for.
@@mymartialartsjourney8714 Okay, so where is the video of you using this in a pressure-tested situation, with someone beating on you? Even the Gracie's don't use this dumb move in mma matches. You know what most people use in mma? The wrestler's stand up, from all fours. Even in matches with soccer kicks to the head allowed, this one has proven its value again and again.
Wrestlers are experts in getting up from the ground; BJJ guys almost never actually drill getting up because they would rather lie back and try to win the fight from their backs.
He seems to be doing the in correct kicks. I'm the way we are taught the hips come up off the ground, generating power. I still don't know if it'll work it MMA but they way he showed it is not the most effective way it's done
Jiu Jitsu can get you killed in millions of ways. The easiest way to die is “ground-fighting” with someone while his friends kick in your rib cage. What you need to know is that 80% of Jiu Jitsu is “combat sports” and NOT fighting, just like “Boxing”, by the way. If you try to box with someone in a real fight, his friends will circle around you and crack the back of your skull. There are opportunities from the fallen position, but you won’t learn them in “combat sports”.
So what's your super technique? If youre on your back you have 2 options: this, or turtle. I know which one id choose to get up
I wouldn't fight against multiple people in the first place.
So lets see a better technique to stand up then. This is 100x superior to going hands and knees completely exposing your back to stand how wrestlers do
Sylvio Behring does a great job teaching the why and how of this situation as it relates to the person seated.
Its not so much a matter of bad technique, its the execution of the technique. The way it is taught in most Jiu-jitsu school is not really the most effective way to do it. The title of the video is click bait. ANYTHING can get you killed when applied at the wrong time the wrong way. Also if he doesn't think I can generate power and get my hips into a kick from there Lets pressure test it. I'll bet you wont want more than one or two. The way the guy on bottom is doing it is not correct.
No, you can't kick in a threatening way from that position. You think you can, bu you can't. If anyone can, it's people who kick all the time and those types of guys are also those who would be completely unfazed having that done to them. Stick to your guns.
@@honigdachs. Actually I can. Not the kick he is showing in this video. The kick comes from the side and the hips are off the ground to generate power. I stopped teaching the one he is showing years ago.
the way to get up is using tendo or capoira like rotational movement.... or you may Turtle if you have to
One question. If the guy is down on the floor, why the f*ck would I as the attacker choose to punch the down guy on the floor rather than kicking him?
This title is misleading not all Jiu-Jitsu fighters are going to do that little knee kick you were showing. To sum up all Jiu-Jitsu in one move is kind of ignorant.
New to BJJ (had about 3 classes so far) and wondering what you would recommend as a safe way to get back to your feet from that position?
This video makes a good point but doesn't fully explain it.
The point is the kick has no power and throwing it might get you hit. If you have the space, skip the kick and do the technical stand.
Another thing it overlooks is beginners can use the momentum from the kick to help them stand so it might b q good way to start off but don't plan on kicking anyone in a fight.
I attended Relson Gracie affiliated academy. We're taught to stand up in base. Which this is what he is showing, but doing it incorrectly. Also, we don't kick to the shin when our "attacker" is on top of you. Your best bet is to lay flat shoot for a up kick if they try to come over the top with haymaker. This technique is solely to get you to your feet if you have enough distance to get up quickly, efficiently, and effectively to get in to base. That's it. It's not a position to try to defend from, and certainly not attack.
The technical standup is the way to get up. The way he and his student are doing it... are wrong. The other ways are to sit up, face first, which gets you soccer kicked in the face. Or you can roll to your belly and stand up, exposing your back and getting mounted and smashed from behind. The technical standup works and is lightning fast, if the guy is coming for offense and is giving you no space, you upkick or play other guard tricks, you don't kick him in the knee. The kick is to gain momentum and to judge distance.
Use the more powerful kick he shows to create space, then flip over to all fours and either take off like a sprinter on blocks or get up like a wrestler. Wrestlers are the experts in getting up from the ground. Watch Sakuraba's fights to see how he got up in MMA matches from a turtle position. They called Sakuraba "the Gracie Hunter", btw.
I swear these BJJ cultists are acting like Aikido cultists. "Well the technique is good you're just doing it incorrectly." Smh. I could show you thousands of MMA matches where the wrestler's standup is used effectively from a turtle position. There is not one MMA match where a technical standup is used effectively under pressure.
Have a unique way of getting up that cant be reacted to, and is also unique. Done. Open your mind be creative and make it happen.
By definition, any technique has a counter technique. The technical stand up can and will work, and I have pressure tested it. It also can also be countered. Practice.
No it dosen't, you mean by *definition* every counter technique has a technique to counter
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We have ground fighting techniques innkarate as well (ne waza). The aim is to keep the opponent at bay and get back on feet ASAP. If the opponent get to mount on top of you, then pull him down to ground and get on top of him (reversal).
YOU CAN USE A KAPOERA TECHINQUE FROM THE SITING POSITION TO STAND UP WHILE KICKING AT THE SAME TIME
I'm thinking he was taught this wrong. I was taught to actually kick the knee to get some leverage to get back to my feet. It's not a threat, it's an actual kick. How else would you try top get back up? Or would you lay on your back, and kick that way?
What he’s saying is that the kick doesn’t stop anyone from GnP you.
@@kevintse2870 Right, but that wasn't the purpose of that technique, if you go back to the guys who originated it. My instructor was an old school guy and, he said that it was for using the opponent to help you get to your feet. It wasn't meant to stop him, but you were better off on your feet than on the ground, unless you took him there. It was the best way for someone to get back to the feet, because you were facing the opponent. It's a neutral position, like the guard was. I'm guessing that in the 30 years since BJJ has been here in the US, the original meaning got lost with the new generations that were taught it.
The kick is supposed to get people to back away from you. You do a few butt scoot kicks going forward and then get up with a technical standup moving away from the attacker. In theory the opponent would back away to avoid the kick. In reality, as what this video explains, is that it doesn't work against everyone. Especially people who train mma.
The one thing that's really weird: hook one foot around the back of their ankle and put your other foot just above the knee and push. It's weird. They just have to sit down, and you can get up.
great point i call it a transitional position
Kicks from a supine position like that are common in everything I've seen about gou quan (dog boxing, aka Chinese ground fighting)
To see credence leant to such techniques from someone who his background is encouraging.
I'm putting together an organization, "Traditional Martial Arts Research and Advancement Coalition" (TMARAC) committed to functionalizing traditional martial arts. Gou Quan is one I've been wanting to save for years.
That is what is called O shiri no suberi-kata.
That position is just long enough so you can decide if you can get up, or go back to your back to deliver those powerful kicks. You don't just sit there like that.
This guy doesn't give an alternative but basically the answer is "get up like a wrestler". Watch Sakuraba's fights for context, but really half the MMA fights you see will have someone getting up using the wrestler's method of turning to all fours. Yes it gives up your back but the man with his back turned is dangerous too.
It's actually an old school self-defense move. It was developed long before MMA was around. To put it in the context of an MMA fighter is missing the point. It would probably still work against the average dude who doesn't train 26 hours/week.
Chris Baldwin that’s not there point man. What if you were attacked by a pro MMA fighter? You should only use shit that works against pros, lest you should be assailed by one. Although, this technique is literally never taught anymore unless your instructor is bullshitting you. That position is only used to do a technical stand up
has the technique been pressure tested ... that's the key. trust maybe what your instructor tells you, but verify with pressure testing.
Lol wut? This is suppose to be a transitional technique. Ur not suppose to just hang there and start engaging ur opponent like that. Ur suppose to use it quickly to stand up and get on ur feet.
You're supposed to get down if the opponent is close to you. You don't kick while seated.
You're demonstrating the actual bjj tecnique, so nothing to learn here.
Clickbait. Dislike.
Get someone that trains in both capoiera and BJJ and they pull off some devastating techniques and recoveries from being on the ground
I figured they'd just cart wheel into a guard pull
Thanks Brother for this video and your real world experience, I once had a similar experience in Wally Jay's Judo/Jujitsu class. I was using the scarf hold, kesa gatame, while in the side mount over a new class mate. I told him to get out of this hold so not knowing the Judo rules he simply used a Jujitsu hair pulling technique which made me let go. That, too, was a revelation.
James Dotson if you let go cause someone’s pulling your hair, you’re weak. That’s just a fact.
He who knows does not speak and he who speaks does not know.@@ficedulamortis6434
James Dotson so anybody who teaches MMA doesn’t know? Thanks for enlightening me. Anyone who says anything doesn’t know anything. Look it’s just facts that if you’re fighting or sparring and someone pulling your hair makes you let go of everything you need to toughen up or do something else
I was just kidding you man, but I've got to wonder if you've ever either ripped someone's hair out of their head or had it done to you. No offense meant.@@ficedulamortis6434
I was just teasing you. Come to think of it though you must be a very senior grand master if you criticize a technique which Wally Jay thought useful.@@ficedulamortis6434
If they come in you're supposed to up kick, you wouldn't just stay seated. It's also not a position you're supposed to stay in. In bjj you drill what we call, the reverse and forward arm drag, which is used to make and close distance very quickly in order to sweep or get up.
Of course if you use a technique wrong it's not going to work.
Training is all fun and good. I do train, but lets me honest. I am going to count on my boomstick with 00 buckshot to handle business. I started realizing how much money I wasted over the years. For a years tuition you can get some pretty damn nice guns.
You can have to fight your way TO your weapon . I have been through this with people before " do you have your boomstick with you? No? Ok then Then try for example and draw your mobile phone and point it at my face , see what happens when i see you reach for your waist"
Fight to create space, fight to your weapon. Firearms aren't as magical as people dream.
Ironically up kicks to the head are good.
round, front, side, up kicks can be used from this position. they are ment to keeo pepole at bay. why would you let some one get that close to you. even the graices use kicks and there knees to keep pepole at bay so that they can gain positon to set up to tap someone out.
I'm a purple belt. I say all butt scooters are chickens scared of takedowns.If one tries to butt scoot, I never engage and ask them if they're gonna fight like men coz I don't fight women.
He's a bjj black belt you can look it up
I think in the context of MMA or a live fighting situation this video is applicable. But jiujitsu itself does not allow strikes. So butt scooting to create space and then allow yourself to stand without the fear of taking a punch or a kick likely still works.
Daniel Reyes no one burr scoots towards someone though. If your instructor is teaching you to butt scoot towards someone like that, and not away from someone so you can do a technical stand up, your instructor is bullshitting you
Never stated butt scoot to go towards anyone lol. Said butt scoot to create space.
“This technique works as long as the opponent can’t actually fight you while you use it.”
You got mounted from that position? Why didnt you revert to your back and good foot pressure on their hips or a butterfly guard for sweep attempt? Or just sit there like a kid on the beach getting sand kicked in your face? No fighter just sits there
I like technical stand but ya the kick to stand is not something to rely upon
Respectfully, I’m not sure I understand. How were they mounting you and punching you from there?
When you rush in on the bottom guy like that to get close, with your legs wide open, you’re just pulling yourself into single leg x / ashi garami and getting your legs broken if they guy on bottom has halfway decent reflexes and any kind of leg game whatsoever.
I thought you were going to show the top man maybe employing kicking strategies or something, but just rushing in like that with legs wide open over a competent seated guard? How do you avoid getting put into single leg x / ashi garami?
The bottom guy can just fall back to supine creating distance from your fist to his head, and then wrap your legs right up, and start sweeping and breaking.
Don’t get me wrong, butt scooting in a striking situation seems foolish, but so does standing over someone with your legs wide open if they have even blue belt level leg locking skills.
Maybe I’m missing something! Will pressure test it the next time we put the gloves on. Hope I don’t get my bell ring too badly lol. But from a leg lock perspective, the person coming toward you with wide open legs is exactly what you want.
Jujitsu like all fighting forms have thier flaws in one way or another. To say that it will get you killed would be to misleed and take away from the beauty of learning one of the best martial arts on the planet. Jujitsu is just one integral part of becoming a fighter. Your title should rather be things in jujitsu than can get you killed..
Claude Bizaare The turtle position is another BJJ technique that will get you killed on the street.
Knowing Jiu-Jitsu is actually going to save your life if you can't get someone off of you what else are you going to do?
@@wattlebough yea cause just laying there without a plan is more effective
Tom Turtle Position exposes the back of your head and rib cage and you have no mobility if you’re mobbed. You’re better off laying on your back and kicking while protecting your head with your arms. Think outside the box of just Jiu Jitsu. Jiu Jitsu is good, but other styles bring good technique to the street as well. Don’t risk becoming a Jiu Jitsu-only nazi.
@@wattlebough Turtle position is a technique that should just stay in a competition fight. People should try to use there brain and use techniques that are fit for a street fight, of course no one should lay on the floor when they fight
After rewatching this the older guy is not using proper technique. Second, Unless you have the reflexes of goku you’re not going to be able to do his counter. As soon as someone comes in the guy on bottom isn’t just going to sit there like “oh crap, he got me”. They’d pull guard or roll. Here let me show you... grab my wrist.
I know that instructor personally and have trained with him. He's a legit black belt and previous swat operator with one the best swat teams in the nation . Don't be disrespectful before you know who you are talking about.
Chad McCasland I’m an amateur MMA fighter. No one teaches you to butt scoot towards an opponent and do that kick. If they teach you that they aren’t legit. The point of that position is to get up as fast as possible, nobody stays in that position waiting for the person in MMA
Watch Icy Mike do it, you're supposed to lift your butt up and kick in a battering ram motion, there's your power. Of course it's not the fastest kick that kick should be made if you're trying to stand up and your butt is already above the ground just swing back down like that swinging boat in the theme park and crash at the leg. In that position range can also be controlled though the kick should be performed at a bit far range when you have the chance to do the technical stand up because if it misses boom the opponent has side control
Jiu Jitsu addresses the high percentage the bodies will eventually clinch and go to the ground. And that has been proven. But yes... Like any other art when they address something that is no in their core principles there are going to be flawed. Temporary flaws. Wrestlers and Jits guys can adjust and bring the fight to their world at a higher percentage than a pure striker's timing. I appreciate it all but I'm trying to balance what he is saying. I get it
Never been taught this technique at my school. Lol
If you do BJJ/MMA and have never been taught a technical standup you should find a new gym. This guy's explanation and scenario is pretty shit, this not a stationary position, you should be in that position for literally less than a second when you have created space.
@@kybalion848 we've been taught the stand up, I'm referring to the kick
Check out Enson Inoue vs Randy Couture his leg kicks from the butt scoot were brutal. It’s like any strike or technique you have to know how to use it properly.
That's a completely different kick. The one they teach in BJJ is a stomp. So you'd have your left foot and right hand carrying your weight, while your right foot stomps at the guy's leg.
And I don't know the rules of that fight but Couture made no attempt to kick the guy on the ground or attack him while he was getting up. Probably because it was only Couture's fifth mma fight and he was afraid of his opponent's submissions, which he was not very good at defending as a former wrestler (he ended up getting arm-barred in that match).
Oh so I guess this guy should be a professional mma coach 🙄
Why would anyone do that ? I have done jujitsu (japanese) for years never seen anything as stupid . As kicking from that position
I'm a white belt and I'm not a fan of the technical stand-up either... not because it doesn't work or whatever, but because I'm an uncoordinated dingus who looks like an idiot every time I try to do it.
@@yuu0294 I wish I would have tried my hand at wrestling in high school while I had the chance. I still kick myself for that, but I hope to pick it up still. A lot of people don't have the option.
That's the issue with sports jiu jitsu - people started to use a transitory, very weak position against strikes into a good defensive position if all your oponent can do is to grab you. It's like that idiotic "pulling guard" thing. The other guy can't even fall over you or it's foul play - talk about useless distortion of technique.
You don't stay there. In fact, guys who have a really good jiu jitsu game use that to get to x guard, outside hooks ect... it doesn't work if you just sit there and kick at thier knee. I mean that just goes without saying.
This is, with all due respect, the 100% wrong way to use that position. OF COURSE you got your head boxed in because again, you don't "fight" from that positio, That is PURELY a transitory move..you obviously learned your lesson the hard way.
Sorry I'm not going to be polite about this one, if you have an opportunity to get up...GET UP. Its a principle or *real* jujutsu
I can't believe this is even a discussion. What's next " should i give my back?" For real?
Butt scotting has gotten even worse since the time of this video. They still do it in sport BJJ.
The people titling this video are either just using it as click bait or they dont know what they're talking about.
The gentleman in the film doesn't know how to kick from a technical get up. If you think that position would "get you killed" then you need to watch some fights.
This guy dont know the stage 5 of punch block series 4 sure
this instructor either does not know or wants to deceive. In jiu-jitsu the ground defense always begins with the back to the ground. Defense with legs. Same position as this idiot showed at the end. the position he shows at the start occurs after containing the momentum of the opponent. When you have to get up back to the ground can not get up and no one wants to get on the ground picking up.
You do the Spiderman to prevent him coming all over you
How's this new? It's common sense it won't work against multiple opponents at the same time o
I'm really dumb, and lost, so bare w/ me. You're a Cop, I guess seif-defense teacher, and bjj teacher, and you're just discovering this? Hmmm...ok?
Dummy it’s not for power lol it’s for escaping
Brace your hand on the ground and push your hips up when you kick. Dur.
That position is just for jujitsu competition or rolling.
No master of jujitsu will tel u to do that in an mma contest or street fight.
Noway
You use tactical stand up to STAND UP, not to fight. I’m not going to even waste my time trying to explain this, anyone who trains, and has common sense knows what I’m talking about. Terrible misunderstanding.
Only if the guys technical standup is garbage and unpracticed against a striking or charging assailant.
Also it's better to kick off the hip and not the shin in a live match. Acts like a teep, helps block progression, and destabilizes the person standing.
Mumbo jumbo master. Go challenge Relson Gracie instead.
Do what instead?
Upkick brah
Very wise.
Yeah I seen Chocolate Star fish cover one too many times. Some guy stuck his toe in there. Oopps. Jump over those legs and two feet to the head and stomp on it.
Lots of Jujutsu excuse makers in the comments
Lol there’s nothing in this to indict bjj ad a discipline; just a well-reasoned opinion on the danger of using the butt scoot in a real fight. Why insult our intelligence with the title? Why not say what the video actually is? (Which is interesting and useful)
Who the fuck is that guy?
This is just stupid. I’ve never been to a gym that teaches you to sit on the ground and kick at the legs. A technical stand up is about getting up... not sitting on the ground. Show me a better way of standing up without getting kicked in the head.
What is that word? Is that like code for "Am I black?" No, I'm white and tired of not being able to find decent instructions anywhere. It's just guys like "You" with classes filled with "That" are completely damn worthless. No one spars for real in that class, no one bleeds, it's sissy. And when you take such a class and get in a fight, then you'll see that it's a little more complicated than what this guys says it will be- once you're as good as he is. You'll be on the ground getting your ribs bashed in wishing you'd followed the instructions of an ACTUAL FIGHTER. Your language is immature.
The butt scoot technique is a way of off setting judo. Nothing more than that. I don't agree with using it but its effective in jiu jitsu competition. The truth is if you're at a jiu jitsu tournament it's all about being on the ground. If the other guy is better at judo why even tempt him to throw you? It's the same as pulling guard. It's just that some people rely way too much on butt scooting and it makes them look stupid. If it was a fight where people were striking then it would be stupid. You're confusing a sport with a fight. No striking in jiu jitsu buddy.
omg sport jiu jitsu -.-
Thanks for real teachings
I think that he's trying to say that learning jiu-jitsu it's a must because there are situations that jiu-jitsu will make the difference but we shouldn't rely on Brazilian jiu-jitsu as a principal art because of its lack of strikes and kicks including defences against that same strikes , knifes and baseball bats are also not covered but jiu-jitsu so jiu-jitsu works better as a helping art that one must have on aside ....
As a primal art one must have some that covers strikes and kicks, defenses against the same strikes , knifes and baseball bats, including some japanese Ju-jutsu techniques, do sparing and set that art as your principal art and then bring the Brazilian jiu-jitsu or wrestling for the grappling part and submission. ...
I belive that this is what he meant to say ...
First as a principal art one must choose Bujutsu what ever the art one choses it must give the answers to any conflict situation like an art of war Bujutsu that's covers all aspects of combat and then have the Brazilian jiu-jitsu or wrestling for grappling and submission part to complete the circuler of defense knowledge. ..
This guy is so out of shape lol and his technical stand up looks like shit. That specific technique is used in order to get back to your feet not to be the aggressor. Plus you've got to do the technique correctly which he was not doing. make them think that the knee blow is going to happen in order to give you time to stand up and decide if you'd like to engage your opponent or Escape.
He needs to pressure test his spare tire lol. I agree, weak kick 🦵 though.