Archwings guide - From picking to playing | Warframe
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
- Do you know what a Bloomer is? Who can be affected by Energy Field? Did you ever even mess around with Rip Line? Here's a basic overview of all of the archwings, what they do, where you get them, and a suggested low investment build because Archwings really don't have that many mods nor uses honestly.
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0:00 Intro
0:21 Acquisition
2:18 Odonata
4:57 Elytron
7:08 Itzal
9:13 Amesha
11:39 Builds
13:02 Warframe passives
13:47 Warframe arcanes
14:08 Preparation & Flow
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DE hasn't touched archwing for almost a decade same as zaws 😢
Already fated to be forgotten, Archwing used mainly for Trials especially The Jordas Verdict but after Trials were removed, it just basically a vehicle but had no proper game type that can make it useful. Itzal back then used for blink spam for point to point in open world which making Itzal the only useful Archwing before it's blink become universal blink mechanics, with teleport pad introduced in open world, the usage of Archwing greatly reduced although still able to retain it's blink but with cooldown.
True, but Zaw's are still incredibly useful in normal gameplay; archwing basically only comes up in Railjack (another content island) and open-world, and even in open-world it's really only applicable for traversal or bosses like Eidolons or the Orb Mothers, and at that point it's a fringe-case option. Odo for the crit damage, Amesha for invulnerability/status negation
I run steel path alert archwing missions whenever they roll around and to date I've bumped into another player twice in the months of doing it near daily.
why would zaws specifically be touched?
They’ve touched zaws, they nerfed exodia contagion just recently lol. It’s still powerful but not as powerful
They did a movement overhaul at some point. You used to not be able to stop in archwing, it was absolutely brutal.
14:54 Lavos does have a hidden energy pool that drains over ten seconds, he needs this for him to be able to pick up energy orbs for his passive
The real question is whether the same prep + flow effect also applies to Hildren.
A few things that were missed in the video:
All Auras apply while in Archwing (though the effect may be moot), most notable is Aerodynamic giving permanent +24% DR due to always being Airborne in Archwing (you can actually see the DR stat in the Arsenal). Coaction Drift also works, buffing whatever Aura you're running. With Aerodynamic that's +31.74% DR by yourself, up to +78.2897% DR in a full squad.
Some WF Passives were missed: Mesa gives +50 Health when no melee is equipped on her (Archmelee doesn't block it). Octavia gives a negligible amount of Energy Regen. Frost can Freeze Melee Archwing units (they really don't exist so that part is ignorable) Frost's Augment Biting Frost also works and triggers on Enemies Frozen by Itzal's Cosmic Crush with it's augment Cold Snap. Hildryn gets a boosted Shieldgate from her Passive.
Despite the Archwing being considered permanently airborne, Zephyr's and Wisp's Passives don't work, likely explicitly disabled for balance reasons. Wukong's Passive also does NOT work.
Shieldgating is not viable in Archwing due to no negative efficency (in fact you get a permanent 20% Efficiency buff from RJ Intrinsics), a permanent +30% Shields from RJ Intrinsics, and the lack of the Augur Set bonus. Brief Respite (and Coaction Drift) and the Decaying Dragon Key do work though.
You can barely make Shieldgating work with Hildryn + Itzal. Run Hildryn with the cursed build of Brief Respite, Coaction Drift, Preparation, and Primed Flow, Arcane Energize, have the Decaying Dragon Key, and don't equip System Reroute on Itzal. It'll take 2 casts of Cosmic Crush (Itzal's 3) to get a full shieldgate. (NOTE: The Abyss of Dagath Update will change Shieldgating, likely making building Archwings for Shieldgating totally unviable)
Some Focus perks also apply in Archwing, though the only one of note is Madurai's Phoenix Talons, giving +30% IPS Damage which some Archguns can use.
Only one Archon Shard effect affects Archwings, the Preparation effect from Amber Shards, as this can be given with the Preparation Mod, Archon Shards are not worth running.
Pretty sure a frost with biting frost equipped and an itzal with cold snap equipped will provide the insane crit buffs to the frozen enemies. Definitely a warframe worth using if you want that.
Just tested, and yes it does work. Though Garuda's Passive just Doubling your Damage is probably still the way to go.
Fun fact about Itzal- the archwing "Blink teleport" that you have on your dodge? That used to be why to play Itzal. Itzal used to be the only archwing that had the teleport, making it the defacto fastest, lightest, and meanest of the four- like a pissed off hornet with military grade drones.
Then, they gave every archwing the blink teleport, and gave Itzal the grappling hook. You can get some wicked speed on the grappling hook, but thats more a niche, "i enjoyed spider man 2 the video game" enjoyment, not practical use.
Since i learned something new from the bit about the warframe buffs and the arcanes, and how they interact with the Archwing, i thought it only fair to also share somethin. Great vid boss.
Similar story on bullet jump just being on one warframe initially.
Would love to see a follow up video with Archguns.
Use mausolon with a corrosive build. The end.
@aleksatanaskovic9172 Not really- while the mausolon is the overall king, sure, guns like the Kuva Ayanga and the Kuva Grattler make for fantastic aoe clearing machines, and the Cortege is a giant flamethrower.
No, I don't care about the numbers, it's a giant flamethrower. The Mastadon I listen to when I play demands fire, and fire it shall have.
@@aleksatanaskovic9172 While Mausolon is actually objectively the best all-rounder Arch-gun, I would love to see an actual showcase and comparison of them all.
@@aleksatanaskovic9172 Which, you can't use it without having a necramech.
@@Barni2212 you can't GET one without a mech, but after you get it you can use it anywhere where ypu can use an archgun. Considering you're gonna need a mech for the main story now, it really isn't that much of a hurdle
If you are using AW in Railjack and the open worlds, you can use speed boosting skills like Zephyr's 3 with her Augment to stack a LOT of movement speed with Hyperion Thrusters! Speed is a weapon and being able to out-race the Jack to Objectives makes the game go faster!
Amesha underrated imo, I used it alot when farming bounties back in the day. Its really good cuz you basically have a defense frame without bringing a Gara or frost. Especially usefull when doing those annoying Cetus bounties which require you to defend a certain thing without letting it lose to much health. With Amesha, you can basically cheese those defense bounties cuz of its 2nd ability. Pop it, kill melee enemies and chill until the timer finishes. Really good for low level players aswel cuz of the immortality
Interestingly, Amesha also works in (casual) Teralyst runs. Healing Pulse can heal lures AND block the "Starfall" attack. Slowing enemies and giving allies immunity to magnetic procs also helps, though a Harrow is needed to protect the flyer.
Amesha is by far the best way to do Thermia Fractures as well. Simply drop decoy and fly up to keep the extractors alive without any effort.
1:38
Brother, I think you mean "And Baro Kiteer, when all the stars in the system align and he actually brings what youre looking for."
Anyone else remember that couple of devstreams where they were trying to hype up Zaw/Kitgun-style modular archwings as something that would be happening, all the way back circa *Railjack?* Whatever even happened to that, anyways? That was like a whole thing they were casually talking about and showing concept art of and I swear it got completely swept under the rug, which is a shame because it sounds like a really cool way to make Archwings not just 'worse Warframes but in space'.
Pretty sure Hildryn's extended shield gating also applies in archwing. Considering her shield-as-energy mechanic applies to railjack abilities, it makes her a pretty great call for harder railjack stuff if you're not using Lavos for the CD-based abilities.
Always appreciate the considered conclusions backed by actual data and details.
I find using Itzal on Deimos for certain bounties missions the best way to use it. Specifically in the mission you have to kill enemies within a certain radius, like the bait station. Something almost everyone seems to flat out ignore! So I use it's line to grab things like the jugulas that tend to spawn just outside that radius, to make sure their death counts toward the objective.
Im only going to get the itzal because it llooks cool lmao also with the scythe
It's briefly mentioned, but Itzal is incredibly useful in open worlds - Deimos in particular. The pimples growing all over contain heaps of materials, often rare ones, and a decent cosmic crush build can net more in 5-10 minutes of flying than an hour of farming. It works well with arcane energise due to the amount of orbs dropping from chests. You can also hunt wildlife while invisible.
I really only use two - itzal for open world and amesha to tank higher level or public railjack missions.
It all is my main arcwing with the cold snap augment. I love how it groups up enemies on top of loot. It’s perfect for affinity farming and speed running missions.
Thank you for another great one :)
I am looking forward for comparisons per type, like Best Hammer, best AoE Rifle etc. Should be fun and informative especially after those incarnon adaptors :)
Cosmic crush is excellent to farm resource in deimos, since it breaks container and pull them.
Before Railjack balance, itzal was the default to go because her 1 was the blinking, so you could gap huge distances in no time.
Most warframe mods dont work, but utility like radar, shield recharge rate and such affects the archwing, and auras as well.
Shield Recharge mods on the WF don't affect Archwings, they have their own mod for that. The Radar Mods work...but they don't scale up by 10x in Archwing and RJ missions making them a token buff at best.
Awesome video! I played for years but never got into Archwings. Still using a barely modded Odonata...
Could you do a video on Arcanes too? How to obtain them, how to install them, what kinds there are and so on👌
Best channel hands down or up. Great video.
MR 29 and still discovering things. As usually Amesha and the better Archguns carry me anyway, this video is quite useful. Gonna check that Odonata field out.
Something that was missed about Itzal's invisibility: neither melee nor blink will dispel it. This is especially useful for 'headshot undetected enemies on plains' rivens, or if you have difficulty surviving in a higher level AW mission.
Also, Elytron's warhead has a substantial knockback effect that is mostly used during plains drone escort missions if you don't have a Loki in the team to speed things up.
we need archmelee to be usable on the ground and experimental flight toggle back DE :/
Also, Itzal can use the zipline while stealthed without breaking it. It’s the primary way to move while invisible
Omg a current arch wing video finally
I generally use Amesha and Ayang Kuva and that's it
Great video
from what ive seen in open world missions if you try to blink backwards or when it is on cooldown you can also trigger rolling guard on your archwing.
also warframe abilities also carry over if you cast them and then transition into your archwing (like ash's invisibility)
to note with the Itzal if you melee with the arch melee you can move around while still invis BUT only if there is a target for the melee to "latch" onto
A good thing to know too is that in railjack mission, your warframe self buffing ability will affect archwings too, for example Loki can use his 2 then launch with his archwing to be completely invisible same also work with rhino 2.
Side note for Itzal: Penumbra can also hide the Bait Station in Vault Missions on Deimos, so you can use it to hide the station from any Melee Attacker, the ranged projectiles will still hit for some reason, but it is still useful to keep it safe.
We need modular archwings, and maybe a helminth system for the old ones. jordas precept and balor fomorian are a joke to fight, we need some real archwing monsters, like a few ropalolysts or Whispers in the Walls gaints. Not to mention the best for last but, we need more Sharkwing missions on Uranus and Earth.
The itzal's archline is underappreciated imo, paired with blink you can zoom across archwing maps and the open worlds.
Hyperion Thruster will make Archwings move uncontrolablely fast in Archwing mode but without this mod Archwings will slow as tortoise in open world and Uranus. Sprint speed buff of Amalgam Serration also apply on Archwing. Using Lavos in railjack mission you can see Lavos has 50 energy pool in the forge but it cannot be filled.
The Amalgam Serration Speed buff only applies in Open Words, not in Archwing and Railjack Missions. The weapon is treated as if it isn't equipped in those missions. So great for Eidolon Hunts and Bounties, but not much else.
Arcanes that proc from damage all work. Including Avenger. Which can significantly boost the damage output of Odonata.
I must say that the usefulness of archwings differs from level to level (in my experience).
In archwing missions they tend to be all around good, no matter if you prefer using weapons, damage abilities or support abilities. In open world areas they are fully supportive and main means of movement because otherwise you get easily shot down. In railjack missions it's mostly weapon damage and supportive abilities because damage abilities generelly suck 😅
I generally pick Itzal because I like that it's quick and the invisibility is really strong. For example you can use it when you have to wait anyways or if you guard something and don't want to be bothered. Also (in open world areas) if you toggle certain abilities like Ash's 4 before entering the archwing, you can mark everything, then exit the archwing to strike everything and then re-enter 😊
And furthermore, I believe that Itzal's 4 (the drone swarm) deters projectiles (alongside enemies) and the explosions of his 3 are very useful (at least in archwing missions).
In railjack missions, I usually take the archwing aura (plunderer or something) because Itzal tends to be fragile and I get even more speed (which is needed because outside the railjack you need ages from one point to another) 😂
It would be cool if they did something like an archmelee launcher that let you use archmelee and equipped archwing's abilities. Or a necramech that can do that. And archmelee should be revamped in general.
Arch wing is actually nice imo. Especially in the underwater sections of Neptune.
Rolling guard works on archwings and also elytrons 3rd ability stacks when fired in the same radius up to 3 or 4 times. U can also cast amesha 4th ability then sprint into objects to recover energy aslong as your 1st ability isn't active.
Unfortunately, just like Adaptation, Rolling Guard only work on Archwings in Open World areas, not in Archwing or RJ missions. Given that being knocked out of Archwing in Open Worlds is independent of the damage you take (you can be knocked out of Archwing while Invulnerable), neither Adaptation nor Rolling Guard add anything of value to Archwings. Even stranger, Rolling Guard won't trigger on Blink, only on Backflip (and again only in Open Worlds)
Do Energy Field and Volt’s Electric Shield work in tandem? Could be interesting for eidolon hunters
interesting but nah
15:04 the adaptation mod also works, so why not throw it in, too
Adaptation only triggers in Open Worlds, not in Archwing and Railjack Missions. And, in Open Worlds, you getting knocked out of Archwing is independent of the actual Damage you take (See Amesha), so Adaptation does nothing.
@@merlintheageless "only" when do people play archwing only missions that are not to farm alu? next to never. and why would you use the archwing in railjack missions? the MAIN use of archwing is open world, so knowing what buffs work and which do not is useful
@@PrueferAuge Fair, but the Adaptation buff really doesn't matter even then, as I said, you get knocked out of archwing regardless of damage taken, so Adaptation buff does effectively nothing for Archwing even on open worlds. Besides when in Open worlds, you're more concerned with your Frame's build, instead of building for Archwing itself.
Elytron's 3 description:
Creates a localized storm of punishing explosions.
In game:
Might tickle the undercarriage of an enemy sometimes.
Elytron's 4 description:
Launches a plodding missile capable of unleashing a massive explosion.
In game:
Lol 600 damage.
itzal invis doesnt get broken if you use the arch line ability to move about melee doesnt break it either aswell as normal archgun fire.....if you want you can do invis and slash away especially since you have a sort of a dash on melee strike if you want to lvl up your archmelee fast
fly fast into the middle of the enemies go invis and kill
A properly modded Mausolon (A weapon you get for free upon building Voidrig) will kill anything you'll encounter in Archwing (even in steel path). Therefore, you'll never need anything besides Amesha for combat purposes. Also the slow on it's 3 trivializes even Veil Proxima combat.
Really wish DE would add more prime Archwings
@TheKengineer, did they remove the vacuum effect of energy field?
Amesha is my personal favorite since it is practiaclly just immortal, but itzal is my favorite for open world utility, but its not really worth swapping out whenever i go to open worlds
Itzal can use the archline while stealthed without breaking it to move quickly and invisibly
note: itzal can move during pnembra if it uses arch line
Mesa's passive works in archwing too! Fuck yeah 50 extra health
If I remember correctly, Lavos has a hidden 50 energy pool. You can use it on Lua on the energy Hall of Ascension
This is Strange... Considering you can just use Transference to Solve that Puzzle. 🤔
@@lookalike4805 I don't think I ever used transference to solve those. I usually had enough energy, before I started maining Lavos. And after that, I didn't really do halls anymore.
@@vladd415 I use transferrence to charge 2 at once; frame by one, operator by another
@@Jsnhlbr5 Nice
i have an itzal. cause it used to be the only one who could teleport
God you must be running out of things to talk about if you have to go to Archwings lol.
Jokes aside, nice to see more guides!
I was thinking the Same thing... But then I remembered he me never Covered Eidolons. 🤔
Any good Archweapon and Archmelee to get ?
I thought you of all people knew Lavos has a hidden energy pool.
Well it serves no function and can be capped out, once capped it will start to decay after a delay. It only exists solely for him to be able to pick up energy orbs to gain knockdown resistance. I suspect it's a trick used for coding purposes. Probably the engine doesn't allow pickup without a pool to store it.
I did and do know, but many don't.
Is there any way to get a unrolled torid riven mod for 300 plat
will we ever get a video that compares different damage buff abilities like xatas whisper vs roar etc?
Well there are many vids about so mabye Ken will do one
one of the things mid to late gamers would do is the Fomorian and needing tons of DPS to attack the reactor....to the point it's not that you need more, you just want to try and get that damage value higher. so sounds like an odonota prime, cast your 1 right as you use the disruptor, to buff your entire party. [if you're using mausolon, everybody should prepare a nuke charge, for some opening damage, after the nodes are cleared.]
would be nice if not for the fact the entire interior of the Fomorian is nullified. However you can (with a bit of practice) launch an elytron warhead through the gap in its outer shell once the generators are destroyed, zoom in and use the disruptor before the warhead lands, and pop some of the nodes instantly. It's rather niche but fun.
@@ysmns9472 Ooooohhhh, I forgot it's nullified. so...does that cancel exhisting abilities, or prevent fresh castings? *ponders*
@@TizonaAmanthia it cancels out any existing ability on your archwing, which is why only the elytrons nuke can be guided in. And fresh castings are impossible due to the nullifier feild.
@@ysmns9472 ahhhh, well that's a bummer. thanks for the clarify.
How do I use the arch gun ?
Soo the augments for the rest
You didn’t mention that when using penumbra on the itzal, you can use its 1 and not come out of invisibility
Because I'm pretty sure this Doesn't Work since Blink was Nerfed. 🤔
Doesn't Octavia's passive work too? (Energy generation when casting abilities)
Yes, but Archwings naturally regen Energy over time and Efficiency is easy to build for on all Archwings (55% Eff from 1 Mod + 20% from RJ Intrinsics for max 75%), making Octacvia's passive not worth much, esp. compared to, say, Garuda's ability to double your weapon damage
@@merlintheageless I don't have much archwing experience but energy does usually seem smooth indeed, main exception is if Steel Path Uranus underwater drones are mowing me down
Doesn't Hildryn also contribute her 3 second shield gate to Archwings?
yes, but it is almost impossible to shieldgate in archwing, due to no negative efficency (in fact you get a permanent 20% Efficiency buff from RJ Intrinsics), a permanent +30% Shields from RJ Intrinsics, and the lack of the Augur set bonus. The Decaying Dragon Key does work though.
You can barely make it work with Hildryn + Itzal. Run Hildryn with the cursed build of Brief Respite, Coaction Drift, Preparation, and Primed Flow, Arcane Energize, have the Decaying Dragon Key, and don't equip System Reroute on Itzal. It'll take 2 casts of Cosmic Crush (Itzal's 3) to get a full shieldgate.
@@merlintheageless oh I won't deny it's not that useful. I'm just pointing out that she wasn't mentioned in the section about passives
Do "airborne" mods work whilst in archwing?
last time i checked no
Only the Aura Aerodynamic (and Coaction Drift) will apply, but the permanent DR is nice, and will stack with other Squad members running it, giving +31.74% DR by yourself, up to +78.2897% DR in a full squad.
Itzel, press 3 = win
How do you get the mission to start for some reason it won’t start
Which mission are you trying to run?
@@TheKengineer I figured it out but thank you tho
I would invest into Archwings, but I dunno when the Modular Archwing system will come out, which may put my time and resources to waste.
Until such time as something is actually announced as coming, it's reasonably safe to assume it's not coming any time soon. Exceptions exist, sure, but it's never a reason to deny yourself fun in the game as it is today.
Im sad that Archwing got dumped. The Melees are terrible, but there are very cool Archguns and the Archwings themself are nice as well.
Wait, since when is odonata viable
i remember making an Amesha because you just got 1shot with everything else
as a certified insane idiot i've fully forma'd every archwing and archgun for completionism, can confirm you wont use anything other than amesha 90% of the time and itzal for loot scoop/speed stat
I think archwing is one of the aspects of the game that is severely lacking in gameplay and is something that could use a serious overhaul.
Archmelee for necromechs please D.E.
They should just let us use our Warframe arcane on our arcwings
Thanks twin
Is it pronounced "ARCHWING" or "ARCWING"?
Depends on where ur from, do you pronounce it arc nemesis or arch nemesis? Etc
Lotus calls it "Arcwing"
Yes to both. It's potayto/potahto, in regards to pronunciation.
@@professionalhimbo It depends on what the roots of "Archwing" are. If it's a portmanteau of "Archangel" and "Wing" then it would only be pronounced arc-wing. (Which is what it is called in-game)
You have massively misunderstood and underestimated Amesha's kit, and also didn't do a very good job testing Elytron's Core Vent. Core Vent still isn't going to be topping any charts but it's far from the useless effect you demonstrated, while Amesha's team-wide utility is huge. Decoy and the Drones combine to give every objective functional immortality, and while you say 10% global stat buffs are "token", you're forgetting just how small Archwing stat bonuses normally are. 10% global is HUGE! Additionally it can self-stack across multiple Amesha (and solo-stacks for all your own non-VR skills) to help bolster everything.
Archwing in nutshell
Odonata/Odonata Prime : balanced but useless
Itzal : useful in the past, forgotten by now
Elytron : legalize nuke
Amesha : (dusting off some dust) (smug) heh
what u mean forgotten by now is like the only archwing most people use
Itzal is the most used. It's the fastest, everyone uses it in profit taker, has invisibility for easy archgun and melee level ups
I wish i never unlocked it.
tfw since they havnt added anything to archwing stuff for aloooong time everyone says just get amesha bps from clan dojo itzal is cool but is niche but everyone agrees most of the weapons are trash skip all the guns and just make a voidrig for its gun and use nothing else unless you must get melee ... there mid btw just get rathbone
Mentions Odonata's augment but not Elytron or Itzal's....
Its a little misleading to say abilities' range is smaller in regular missions without mentioning that distances in arch wing missions is scaled by a factor of 10 meaning the abilities are actually the same size.
I can get enough standing in as little as 4 days!
Use your scanner with the scanning widget installed and scan enemies until Sumeris tells you that you've maxed out! Just make sure that the enemies are NOT alerted so you'll get the most standing. I use Loki. He's fast and goes invisible which you need. You DON'T want to be noticed!
Repeat this for about 4 days and boom. You're done!
Maybe one day archwings would be playable on controller.
If having issues with controller on pc with steam, turn off controller support for Warframe on steam specifically. Allow the game to give controller support
Huh, 4 minutes.
Amazing how we're getting things we didn't ask for like soulframe instead of them making archwing and railjack not hot garbage