ACC Spotlight: Does Florida St Want the B1G or SEC? Pt. 2 | Conference Realignment | FSU Seminoles
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
- This is Part 2 of the first video in a series we are doing to take a closer look at the realignment from the perspective of the ACC schools. We begin with Florida St, the school at the center of the lawsuits that could spur the next wave of realignment. Where do they want to end up, the B1G or the SEC?
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Who would be the best travel partner for FSU if they leave the ACC?
In my opinion best case scenario for Big 10 is to get Florida State and Clemson. I think Notre Dame will stay independent. I think North Carolina, Virginia, Miami, and Virginia Tech will go to the SEC to put them at 20 members. I think whats left of the ACC will go to Big 12, rebuild Pac 12, or go to group of 5.
Likely no one....
a) The other two expansion objectors (CLEMSON & UNC) are leaning SEC, which is unlikely to expand at all until UNC is either secured or lost.
b) The B1G likely keeps slot #20 open for ND.
c) No ACC school follows FSU to the BIG12.
The ACC😂
@tarheel7460 Recent events, credible reporters/analysts, logic. Moron, a source doesn't have to know I exist. You think UNC is still leaning B1G?
@tarheel7460 Moron... Circa Aug 2021 there was a B1G reporter who stated that UNC had revisited the earlier failed talks in light of the TX/OK news. UNC brass contacted Delany shortly after the USC/UCLA news, obviously to confirm continued B1G interest.
The power coup at UNC and the ousting of the pro-B1G Chancellor(?) is not an accident. That moves have just recently been made to possibly package NCSTATE. A package wouldn't work for the B1G but may for the SEC. UCLA leaving CAL was over a year before the BOG acted, so why else the delay?
I reconcile history, actual events, credible reporting, and reasonable beliefs. In contrast you troll.
Dabo arguing with Tyler from Spartanburg was some comical shit lol
🤣
@@saturdayswarriorbyu I was listening to another podcast discussing this idea that Florida State becoming independent in football. What your thoughts on this one?
This FSU guy analyzes with facts and statistics. Good job.
Yes, it was a great conversation!
FSU is the only school that I know that is the top rival in the state rival for two schools that have won national championships. Personally, I think they might follow UFs lead and drop one. FSU gets a bigger bump from beating ND or LSU than Miami, even though Miami is the harder game. Even the UF win was downplayed by ESPN
Best travel partner would be Notre Dame
How is ND a regional travel partner for FSU?
ND has too many legal entanglements with the ACC. Would require a heavy depletion out to the SEC/B1G, which is a different scenario than presented in the vid.
@tarheel7406 ND has no legal requirements except that they have to pay a $120 million exit fee. ND is a full voting ACC member but not part of the GOR. Just like their Big East deal, they can end it at any time by paying the exit fee. By the way ND did not even pay the Big East an exit fee. My guess is ND will vote to dissolve the ACC when they want out.
This is about TV ratings and money, not logistics or regionally, that is why ND is the best travel partner.
Best FSU travel partner if they leave the ACC IMO would be Miami (which is now AAU which matters) since they have a rivalry with them. Best media value travel partner for new conference would be UNC, assuming ND is not available. Next best media combination for new conference could be GT for GA market. All my combinations assume that FSU goes to the B1G and adds 2 states to the BTN. FSU is working on AAU and would be a bigger fish in the B1G versus the SEC. I don’t include Clemson because I don’t see the B1G taking Clemson due to not being a big research university, even though from FB point of view FSU & Clemson would really boost B1G FB depth.
Strongly disagree. B10 is mostly large institutions, mostly public, with large fan bases and large alumni groups. Miami is not a B10 school and FSU probably doesn't care about taking them. If anything bringing them hurts FSU. Much better to bring a Carolina school.or even GT
Big noooo to Miami.
What I’m hearing the big 10 and the sec isn’t interested in Miami!
@@ScottyDuke-kc7uc what if B1G adds FSU but UNC goes to the SEC? Would the B1G stay at 19 or try to add a partner school to go to 20. If so who else from the ACC would they take?
That's a good question. We debate about the pros and cons of each, but what if the Big 10 doesn't like any off the others. Do they hold out and try for someone like TA&M?
FSU fan here, I'd take Clemson with FSU to the B1G over Miami, but it's close. The B1G should not screw around and just take all 3.
Maybe they will.
Clemson gives the Big 10 another state to recruit. Miami would just double up Florida.
@@TimeMachine7773I dont understand that thought process. Players go across country already. Its not going to give them a major edge in recruiting over sec in that area
@@Drollpanther State recruiting pipelines absolutely matter. Otherwise, why would the SEC care about North Carolina or the Virginia teams? If you are recruiting guys from SC or Florida and you are in the big 10, you can tell recruits that they'll have multiple conference games in the SE every year. Those are games that will be easy for family members and friends to attend. Many players do care if their loved ones can go to games.
I love what’s happening to cfb! This sh*t is beautiful !!!
Seriously? Who's your team?
FSU and Miami go together like PB&J.
😂😂😂If you like PB&J?
Not really. Miami is loyal to the ACC and hasn't won the ACC once.
@@TimeMachine7773 If Miami can start keeping all that South Florida talent home like they did from the 80's through the early 2000's, they could be a sleeping giant. When the Hurricanes are winning games, they bring decent ratings.
@@cfbplayoffedits It won't be with that coach. He costs them 2 games a year by himself. Their brand is huge, but they have literally been irrelevant for over 20 years. Since joining the ACC Bobby Bowden has more bowl wins! He coached for 2 years during that span! They have a lot of talent on that roster this year, but the man can't coach.
@@TimeMachine7773 I agree 100%. There were some teams that haven't been relevant for a few years that the SEC and B1G still wanted. Nebraska, USC and Texas all come to mind. It's all about brands now and Miami is a national brand when they are winning.
CLEMSON has historically low brand inertia and low synergies with B1G schools. It's also smarter than FSU and recognizes where it stands among peers. The B1G would have to whiff on a number of higher priorities before considering. In contrast, CLEMSON has far more synergies with SEC schools and has allied with UNC for a coattail effort.
Agreed, but the SEC still had to want them. And not just want them, but want them over other candidates, depending on how big they are comfortable getting.
So, your in habit of UNC going to the SEC?
@@saturdayswarriorbyu As things stand and ignoring any political influence, I suspect that the SEC's preferred ACC 4-bloc is UVA, UNC, DUKE & CLEMSON. UVA & UNC are long wanted "wayward" flagships that are finally attainable. Under the prior SEC Commissioner, UNC/DUKE had standing invites and almost moved some years ago. DUKE is a unique asset that has synergies and provides increased exposure for SEC brands outside of football. UNC has agreed to advocate for CLEMSON.
I quickly came to favor the SEC if UNC decides to move. The B1G is at its highwater mark and will wane if no heavy and effective expansion south, which I don't see happening.
@tarheel7460 a) The sources all over with people discussing prior realignments and attempts. b) Again, standing invites are informal. c) Formal invites generally aren't offered until it is known that they will be accepted. Standings are just understandings of the situation.
In UNC's case, it is understood that if and when it decided to move, a formal SEC or B1G invite would be forthcoming. Surely even a confirmed moron would know all of this already?
If you had adequately followed this story and been informed, you would know that at least one UNC official has publicly stated that it could have joined the SEC earlier.
Again, why is any of this offensive to you?
@tarheel7460 You are a confirmed fool, fraud and troll with no standing or competency to comment. Did not read but did scan.
a) The UNC/DUKE to SEC (which was also UVA/GATECH to B1G) realignment has been detailed as recently as a few months ago on the WVU board (I think).
b) Leaked internal UNC emails hit on B1G efforts which ended with MD/UNC.
c) During this story, a FOIA disclosed UNC exchange with Delaney hit on the B1G/UNC situation.
Until the GOR is resolved, there will be no formal invites, so there would be none to report. What we can confidently know are interest and preferences.
The TX/OK move was leaked and reported. There was a lot of informed speculation on USC/UCLA.
Multiple credible reporters and analysts have confirmed that UNC is the expansion target of the SEC and B1G, ignoring ND. History also supports this. Why you find this offensive remains a mystery. If you think I'm delusional, okay. Every time the reporting gets hot regarding the interest in UNC, I've noticed you tend to disappear. Have you protested to Flugar or anyone else that posts similarly? No, you're a stalking troll.
I suspect that you fear UNC will bump your school from the P2. Either that or Roy Williams killed your dog.
Better question: does the B1G/Fox or SEC/ESPN want FSU??
They both do.
@@stewartbrew9635 FSU is a low priority (at best) for the SEC.
@tarheel7406 Not from what I've heard.
@@stewartbrew9635 the B1G wants Notre Dame. That's who they really want! Everyone else is small potatoes
@@stewartbrew9635 Relative to the SEC, FSU has several barriers:
a) The scorched earth tactics are not attractive.
b) The much more coveted UVA/UNC are now attainable.
c) CLEMSON has allied with UNC, moving it up the priority list.
d) Possibly questioning keeping "low value" existing members is not attractive.
FSU was always disposable for the SEC in the P5 world, more so in a P2. A UVA/UNC firewall + sprinkles neuters FSU as a competitor.
There is NO STATE LAW that requires FSU to play UF in football. None (which is partially why they didn't play in 2020). It ALMOST came to that, there were talks, but UF finally grew a spine and played FSU starting in 1958 before it got that far.
No law was passed. The State Control Board ordered it. Very little difference. You can pick nits if you like.
It's your time to waste. . .
Fair enough. But there could be legislative posturing to that effect, in the event
“UF finally grew a spine” Florida 37-28
@@ssippilandelta4365 lol. Congrats on all those wins from the '50s and '60s when FSU was brand new to football. When's the last time UF beat an FSU team with a winning record? lol
@@encycl07pedia- 😂😂man FSU in the SEC would be 🔥. They can definitely compete, imagine the new rivalry’s that would spark.
Georgia Tech should be the partner…….. We have been preparing for an ACC exit for years.
The SEC is not going to coordinate w FSU Olympic sports should they go to B1G. That's pie in the sky wishful thinking
I didn't hear that in the vid. Did I miss it? As best I can tell, the SEC and ACC don't accept associate members, and the B1G has very few.
Associate members was something I meant to follow up on but forgot as the conversation shifted. I'm sure there are several sports where the B1G and FSU aren't aligned.
@@saturdayswarriorbyu yeah, hockey and baseball
@@saturdayswarriorbyu Per Wiki, FSU currently only has a single sport outside of the ACC, Women's Beach Volleyball. Inside the ACC, it sponsors 9 (of 13) men's and 10 (of 15) women's, which looks to be just slightly below average. Likely not an issue to B1G but would be to SEC as things stand.
Your guest illustrates the problems with FSU. First, it's scorched earth tactics aren't attractive. Second, it blames others for no valid reason. It was reported that FSU invested the least in football among all ACC members over a recent 10 year period, likely to invest in other sports. I understand FSU's goal of catching up to FLORIDA, but don't point fingers when the risk turns ugly. Third, no wants to add a new member that will complain about existing members (like VANDY or NWEST).
Odds:
B1G ~80%
SEC ~10%
B12 ~10%
ACC ~01%
Interesting that you put the B1G even higher. Both have their pros and cons. Just depends on how the B1G weights those and what their plan is. But it does feel like they're going FSU.
@tarheel7460
First, you're a confirmed fool, fraud and troll.
Second, MIAMI was reported as B1G vetted and got an unworthy AAU invite. FSU wasn't and didn't. Given MIAMI's history of being a geo outlier and indy ~and~ its extended fanbase is national and from (now dated) brand and success, it can survive better on a B1G island than FSU. MIAMI also hasn't gone scorched earth. Finally, I suspect MIAMI has allied with ND. All of this favors MIAMI over FSU in my view.
@@saturdayswarriorbyu No other school has gone scorched earth. TX/OK didn't really need to, but their plans were leaked and the process accelerated from original plans, so there was some incentive. USC/UCLA were quiet, but again shorter time frame. CLEMSON has been smarter with just a declaratory judgment request rather than also starting with vs. ACC claims. UNC and UVA have been very quiet, though UNC does fire shots across bows. I suspect UNC may file a separate dec case depending on CLEMSON's.
FSU is disposable to the SEC, especially relative to a UVA/UNC firewall. CLEMSON has allied with UNC, which moves it ahead of FSU relative to the SEC.
Due to demo trends, the B1G must effectively and heavily expand south. This pressing longer-term concern explains why the B1G may accept #2s in SEC dominated states, but it isn't certain.
FSU has burned ACC bridges, so it will leave or be kicked as part of the litigation. A 1% chance of a ghost from the machine, all stay together resolution.
When this story started to B1G was a very minority position among FSU fans from my experience. It moved to heavily favoring the B1G when it became more known that the SEC's interest is weak. Now I'm reading more defense of FSU to B1G12 and now indy.
FYI, your percentages add up to 101%. 👀
😂😂😂If FSU invested the least? Imagine.😂😂😂
B10 bound.
Go Noles!
Let's Go!