Oh also i love how mariner was like “earth is boring, you’d just sit there and drink wine and eat at a soul food restaurant!” So i have a feeling that sisko’s dad’s place is somewhere Mariner has frequented drinking chateau picard wine 🖖🏽🤓
GozerTheTraveller it is! Every time i hear him talk about gumbo on the show my mouth waters! Now if someone wants to open a Cajun themed ds9 restaurant I’m so down
I think the "soul food restaurant" reference is a nod to Captain Benjamin Sisko's father. Joseph Sisko owns the Creole food restaurant Sisko's Creole Kitchen.
Shain Thomas it had to be. I mean, what other Cajun soul food restaurant has entire episodes set in them on Star Trek? Lol but you’re definitely right. I would love a Jake sisko cameo on LD.
@@lordofsparks didn't they pull that maneuver in Discovery season 2? It was supposed to be a donut and my one of my bigger critiques of that episode that it wasn't filmed more epically for that move but it was technically done.
Jessie Says that Ruthorford is Lacking in personality traits, other than just being a nerd, But I see him as an exaggerated Perfectionist. It's already happened at least twice that his tendency to try and fix what isn't broken by making it a TINY bit better has had an impact on the Main story: First when he Tried to upgrade the trasporters to go 0.02 seconds faster, causing Boimler to Glow loudly and making him a candidate for the farm. And now when he tried to up the volume on the Red alert Comms inside their favorite Hangout Hangar (I'm starting to feel that was an intended pun by the Show...) But ended up shutting them off, causing the 4 of them to Miss the Red alert Completely. Also him opening up Panels just to Twist some cores because "they tend to overheat otherwise", nobody but him would care to do that kind of Minute tuning on a ship that big. Plus his Weird Enjoyment of staying Days on end inside the Jefferies tubes Just to do Benign Maintenance... The Dude takes "Tech head" to a whole other level... (Gods-damnit, that's an other visual pun they put in there, what with him literally having tech in his head) Tendi only successfully censoring herself when someone Swears was a nice character touch, because obviously that would be the one thing she'd be able to shut up about, what with her ultra-happy Bubbly personality. Also, it's Kinda Nice to know that Q doesn't just mess with Picard and Janeway, he also occasionally goes around and screws with lower decks folks on various ships. Kinda Makes one wonder just how many people he's screwed around with in Starfleet over the years, and how many events have been made worse or better due to him screwing with someone at the wrong time.
Not sure if it's canon but there is a video game (well... interactive movie) where Q spends the entire game helping/trolling the player character who's a cadet. So I like to think Q messes with everyone. Game's called Star Trek: Borg and you can be watched on RUclips.
I think this episode is where Lower Decks stepped it up from just being an amazing show to being true Star Trek in the best possible way. Reminded me of "A matter of perspective" very much, I love how it tells us that probably not everything that we see in it is literally how it happened, something is probably exaggerated, like the smashing romulans with martial arts thing. And in the end we don't know the whole story, and the show tells us that we shouldn't, because we follow the lower decks crew, and they just don't get to know everything. This is some serious meta story telling, actually.
I mean Tendi was the one telling the story and the court guy was all like "you didn't ninja your way through six guards." And Tendi was like "Nope, nope, totally did." So it might not be 100% true.
I think I like it more hinting that Boimler is the ONLY one on the ship lacking good hand to hand combat training. He has his other skills as we saw with the buffer time episode, but personal combat has not been shown to be one.
@GozerTheTraveller I mean, I think Author, Author is a great episode. Love the Doctor, the holonovel stuff is hilarious... But Measure of a Man it ain't.
This was my favorite season one episode. I'm not usually one for non-linear storytelling but this one worked for me. Just about everything Ruthorford went though had me in stitches, including the "Hey that's the ship from my story!" Line even though there was nothing there for him to see. Kirkwood Smith's character getting more and more frustrated just got funnier on repeat viewings. I don't know why but in my head their best dining hall somehow got mixed with the implication that it's also an alien Chuck E Cheese when the "Judge" said he was there to book his daughter's birthday party and that just tickles me.
14:30 Jessie? I'm roommates with a martial artist, and have been since a couple months before the pandemic hit. I know _exactly_ why everyone knows martial arts in the future, or at least why it seems the vast majority of people in Starfleet know at least one martial art: Turns out, even if you aren't ever getting in fights, martial arts are a _fantastic_ way to get in shape and stay in shape when you have limited space to train in but plenty of access to food, water, and sleep. Like, say, a Starfleet crew such as that of the _Cerritos_ would have with their replicators and their amazing working conditions. And you can't tell me the bunks in the lower decks aren't well-soundproofed and -lightproofed when closed - Starfleet _clearly_ has the technology for such trivial quality-of-life improvements.
This is had to be my favorite episode of this series! I laughed so hard at the big Q moment. Chess, cards, a talking soccer ball! It was great. This episode flowed so well. I also felt like the references were on point. The fan dance! I love how these were little stories from each character’s perspective. Literally all the references are too much to list but the Gorn wedding was pretty fantastic and Tendy and Rutherford’s missions were so funny and i love how it’s in the perspective of each character. Ahhhh ok if i keep talking it’ll just be “omg did you see that?!” I’m happy you enjoyed the episode as much as i did.
It seems like this show is really going out of it's way to reference TAS as much as they can, which I think is really cool given that Lower Decks the closest we are ever gonna get to a sucessor to that show. Other than that this was another fantastic ep. I loved Mariner telling off Q in the same tone I'd imagine one would use when trying to scare raccoons out of their trash(Now I really have the temptaion to draw her smacking him with a rolled up newspaper...) I also loved that Boimler did get a moment to show his confident side at the end after messing up at the begining, it really shows that he has good leadership instincts deep under all the insecurity. I like that the show does make the time to show that despite all the humor that when push comes to shove these four really are competent, good officers with a lot of potential. It helps you like the characters more, and I don't think the show would be as funny if they were just disasters 100% of the time. However I def think the BEST part wasn't even the episode, it was the sneak peak for the next one. I won't spoil it if you're trying to avoid those but MAN I was laughing my ass off and I cannot wait for next thursday. Anyway great video as always, I love hearing your perspective and I'm glad you're doing well!
I had an alternate take on Tendi's censorship. I took it as the writers acknowledging the actual censorship of course language on the show despite the fact that it's suitable for the target audience and everyone knows what's being said anyway. Sort of a writers' room shot at the suits... which always amuses me!
All I'll say is I'm glad someone on the Lower Decks staff remembers the Vulcan Long-Range Warp Shuttle from TMP, because it got shown in the show and that makes me happy, because I always thought it looked cool and everyone always wants to talk about their Type 5 Shuttles or their dumb Type 7 "minibus" Shuttle or the cool Type 2, but no one remembers the Long-Range Warp Shuttle. Thank you Lower Decks. Oh, also Q showed up. And a John De Lanci is always nice to see, even if he wasn't terrorizing Twilight Sparkle to teach her a lesson about friendship.
Kyle Woodlock Lmao Sub-Rosa is bad, but I feel there’s far worse than Sub-Rosa: The Naked Now, Justice, The Child, The Outrageous Okana. The absolute WORST of TNG for me though is Code of Honor.
I think this is definitely my favourite episode so far, the Q cameo alone would have been enough to get it there but the whole thing was just so much fun.
From memory, I think all the trial-like episodes are Court Martial, The Menagerie, The Magicks of Megas-Tu, Star Trek 6, The Measure of a Man, Matter of Perspective, Drumhead, Dax, Tribunal, Rules of Engagement, Death Wish, Living Witness, Judgement. The Time Trap, Beyond, and The Vulcan Hello only had a small trial-like scene so I'm not sure I'd count them, and Picard doesn't have a trial episode...YET!
Speaking to everyone except Boimler being good at martial arts, I think that actually makes sense. Every series, Starfleet personnel win the bulk of any hand to hand fights that go down. Even against Klingons, who are supposed to be the proud warrior race, Starfleet still tends to fare better in a melee. I've always had the impression that Starfleet hand to hand training is just really, really good, and this feels like another reference towards that.
This was a great episode! So many Trek references! I loved how they mentioned the giant Spock in the animated series. I wasn't expecting that! And of course, I lalso loved the appearance of Q!!
John De Lancie's cameo alone made this awesome I'll say the referencing is a getting a bit weary and spotty for me, the TNG Hunted reference in the beginning was kinda weak but the Balance of Terror reference with the D'deridexs had me cracking up Also the whole fake out bit of this threatening thing is misunderstanding and not threatening at all is also a bit played out I'm glad they are burning through the references and getting it out of their systems
omg, Jessie, this was so much fun. I'm pouring my second pint of Guinness while I watch you talk about it. my rating for this episode is 4 pints, at cellar temp. LLAP!
John De Lancie returning as Q makes this the best episode of Star Trek since "All Good Things" originally aired! Boimler's "Drumhead" mic drop was HILARIOUS!
I really love how this show is consistently funny, while still feeling like it's completely part of the ST universe, and, never feeling mean spirited, or, like it's a parody of ST.
Okay, I just watched the rest of the your video. I'd be fine with Zachary Quinto being the 60 foot Spock. Or hey, how about this... Live-action flashback to that episode of the TAS and have Ethan Peck play regular Spock and Zachary Quinto playing 60 foot Spock (or the other way around). I just want more Spocks because... Well, I like me some Spock. Just give me all the Spock. I need to rewatch the episodes, but I'm pretty sure they fit in a reference to the animated series in every episode (not including having T'Ana, since there have been Caitians in other Star Trek). Nearly DIED when Boimler referenced Sub-Rosa. It's probably NOT, but I thought T'Ana clip of the "parallel universe"/wrong ship was a reference to the Parallel Lives and IDIC storyline from the Star Trek Ongoing comic. But maybe it is... At this point, I don't want to doubt Lower Decks on how deep it'll cut for a reference. Randomly comment: If they ever DO an actual parallel universe thing on Lower Decks, I need Ransom to comment on how he hates when that happens, because Sliders helped me fall in love with sci-fi. If we can have such deep cut Star Trek references, we can sneak in a reference to one of the cast's old roles.
Fun fun episode. I love where Brad is explaining that the senior officers don't always know what's going on so the lower deck screws certainly doesn't know. Remind me of The Next Gen episode the attached where Picard and Crusher or somehow mentally linked and they're trying to go a certain way to get away and Picard says "let's go this way" and Crusher says "you don't know which way to go you're just guessing" great references super fun episode as I said just loved it I did the edit my post to get this in here about the 60 foot Spock Jessie you're such a nerd that my wife wants to adopt you LOL
A Trek show that makes Trek references seems weird but it occurred to me that the principal characters of traditional Trek shows are largely famous in universe. Especially within Starfleet itself. These Lower Decks characters are making their equivalent of pop culture references. To me, that's pretty great.
I enjoyed Kurtwood Smith and John de Lancie in this one. This was fun, but I won't rate it quite as high as the last few; I guess I've become accustomed to having part of the show centered on one of our main characters. I liked the twist of this turning into a party at the end. All our leads were in character and Tendi showed once again she can fight! TONS of trek references, and I mean TONS of them! I'll go 7 of 10 for this one. Still enjoyable, just not as high as recent episodes. All in good fun.
Loved it! I forgot about giant Spock being TAS. I just assumed it was Season 3 TOS that I never rewatch. I haven't made it through TAS more than once. Save for the Spock episode where he goes back in time to when he was a kid.
Just caught the episode. I FELL FOR IT. Although, to be fair, my first real "paying attention" Star Trek moment was The Undiscovered Country in theaters. Thank you for explaining the Animated Series tie-in. I barely remember any of it, except some episode where all the women crew members had to save everybody 'cause the men were...out of commission? Under a spell? It's late. *furiously Google searches* The Lorelei Signal! That one. Q and Mariner ABSOLUTELY have met before this episode and he totally meets her for drinks to complain about Jean-Luc. Mariner is just trying to downplay her experience in front of the rest of the Lower Decks. That's my head-canon and I'm gonna stick to it. :D
Samanthan Rutherford is the best name! Also Tendi is me. As for martial arts, at least they have some skill, which is something I wish the other show’s crews could do lol 😂
The references are fun, but when they come this thick and fast with so little else in between it starts to kind of make the star trek universe feel really small. It's like Dr Crusher is the only person ever to have an embarrassing hookup with a haunted candle...
Loved this episode, loved the opening of trial scene, had me thinking of VI. I did like the surprise at the end, that was a hoot. I got to see romulans, and since Romulans are secretive, or we just don’t know much about them as a culture, I did love the covert operations.
Episode spoiler - but, the salt vampire made me very happy! I loved the salt vampire from TOS, and it's so much fun to think that instead of being extinct they are just good enough at blending in that people would think they are. 🧂😂
Since the alien of the week seemed to operate on the principle of opposite day, my head canon is the ex-prisoner dude was actually super happy he didn’t get to put his name on that stone tablet and whining about having a sucky party is actually a display of great gratitude and respect. Freeman is obviously being a human centric ignoramus who misread the whole situation. Young Tuvok would be so vindicated (barely relevant reference yay!) Also, I did initially find it a bit weird that Q was trolling random Starfleet crews but then it does make sense a bored omnipotent being would be able to mess around with multiple people with ease. So more head canon. Many if not most members of Starfleet actually have a relationship with Q and the reason Q said “The trial never ends” in the TNG finale is because he’s not done screwing around with them.
Can't wait to have my friend watch her first episode with Q . She can tell by how he is talked about how good of a character he is. I need to see the 60 ft Spock in live action now
I laughed so hard I had trouble breathing. Oh, and I love the reference to TAS episode "The Infinite Vulcan"...which, btw, was written by Walter Keonig. I think there was one or two sour notes in the episode, but I loved it. :) Why does this season have to be only 10 episodes?
Not my favorite episode so far but some real highlights. Love Kurtwood Smith, so that alone was a treat. I loved the Crazy Ivan reference and the monolith from 2001. Was this the origin story for the old bird of Prey we see in Picard? Also, Mike McMahon has consistently said that HE considers TAS canon, and that one of his goals for this series was to, and I quote, "cement the animated series' proper place as a part of Star Trek canon." So there you go. As of Lower Decks arrival, TAS is canon.
I enjoyed the episode, but I wasn't laughing much until the very end, and basically everything Boimler brought up had me in tears - referencing The Infinite Vulcan and Sub Rosa, the Q bit, the gag with T'Ana getting on the wrong ship and thinking she was in an alternate dimension, continuing Ransom's obsession with Spain (and really, he should be on the Alhambra just because the city in California is named for a fortress in Spain), and topping it off with Q trying to torment the ensigns. Like all he does is spend eternity hopping form one Starfleet ship to another
Well, given that eternity is...well...eternal, Q must be rather bored. (I've always thought that the Doctor in Doctor Who left Gallifrey because of utter boredom...and the same holds true for most rogue Time Lords).
@@artemisiatheta7549 You'd think his species would have evolved some sort of perception that prevented them getting bored by virtue of their very existence.... But it's not like Star Trek ever thinks through the ramifications of anything the writers come up with.
If that does happen I do hope Q could make some off the hand comment or muttering how he shoulda stayed on the Cerritos or saying he had more fun with “those ensigns” or something like that.
The gorn wedding was great! It had everything else, cool crazy Aliens... yeah it was goofy as always, and the humor is not always good.But bad humor is a very old school st thing too...
Loved there was NO "25% re-imagining" crap. This is the first Trek, since 2005, to depict TOS stuff as it supposed to be.....and NO kelvin, and NO discovery versions....YAY.
So not one word of a lie; I haven't laughed out loud so often in 22 minutes of TV in a long time as I did in this episode. I mean full guffaws. There was so much that was just hilarious, but the Tendi vinette: "Apologozing to the enemy? That's cold." "You are playing some f*cked up mindgames, Cleaner." I mean so many good lines. "OMG WE'RE BEING SCANNED! Oh whew it's ok OH SHIT WE'RE BEING SCANNED!"
i want to see Rutherford and Tindi hook up either by the last episode of this season or they hook up in season 2....also Q had a huge crush on both Picard and Janeway...and he was afraid of Sisko
RUclips just now recommended me the stuff you did with PRIDE. I've been watching this channel for about a year now. Instead of recommending me something I might actually watch, I have been getting so much anti-LGBTQ+ recommendations, the algorithm is so messed up.
Yeah this may have been my favorite episode so far but yeah the punchline was a little too long and I wish that cameo wasn't revealed before but beside that it was great.
The show is fun but my only complaint is that there’s absolutely no overall arch? You could randomize all the episodes’ order. Like it’s not bad, and I guess you could say there’s suggestions towards character archs but a story would’ve also been nice
No, Tendi DIDN"T beat up a bunch of guys. They literally ask her in the hall if she used martial arts on a bunch of guys with guns, and she kinda shrugs and sheepishly says, "no, not really".
So, alien prison episode check. Q appearance, check. Full blown recreation of the live action episode of Lower Decks. CHECK CHECK CHECK. Once again it is impossible for me to hate this show. Boimler and Mariner on the Bridge, gold. The constant rebooting of Rutherford's implant? Amazing. Tendi, badass good girl *ding* Gorn wedding, why the hell not? Fourth wall breaks, well more like being shattered. I will get a bit more serious for a moment. For those who know, in high school I was in a Trek based RPG. I have been on missions like that, and they are hell. The ONLY gripe I have(basically a nitpick) is why put Mariner and Boimler on Conn and opps(we know from Terminal Provocations that Ensign Barnes...the one who kissed Rutherford, is in operations) I'm legitimately going to miss this show while waiting for season 2
@@JessieGender1 TAS has been canon since 2007 (as per StarTrek.com), although admittedly this was to aid the marketing for the newly released TAS DVDs!
I will often mock people who hate any kind of change and seem disturbed by the very idea of change but here I am being angry and disturbed by all the changes taking place in Star Trek. Does that make me a hypocrite?
@@JessieGender1 impressive! keep up the great work! haven't watched this video yet (dont wanna spoil the ep .. my daughter and i watch the episodes together! :)
I loved how the guy poked in: "You only paid for 22 minutes!" which obviously is the episode runtime.
Yep right at the 22:xx mark
T'ana had the best line.
"All these ships look alike!"
My favorite joke is Tendi yelling "I think you're hurting your eels!"
Oh also i love how mariner was like “earth is boring, you’d just sit there and drink wine and eat at a soul food restaurant!” So i have a feeling that sisko’s dad’s place is somewhere Mariner has frequented drinking chateau picard wine 🖖🏽🤓
Yes! I can’t believe they referenced Sisko’s dad‘s restaurant! I was dying at that point 😂😂😂
GozerTheTraveller it is! Every time i hear him talk about gumbo on the show my mouth waters! Now if someone wants to open a Cajun themed ds9 restaurant I’m so down
I think the "soul food restaurant" reference is a nod to Captain Benjamin Sisko's father. Joseph Sisko owns the Creole food restaurant Sisko's Creole Kitchen.
Shain Thomas it had to be. I mean, what other Cajun soul food restaurant has entire episodes set in them on Star Trek? Lol but you’re definitely right. I would love a Jake sisko cameo on LD.
@@JL0ndon You're right. It is the only one referenced in Star Trek. It would be nice to see an animated Jake on LD.
My favorite reference was Bohmler suggesting they try a "Crazy Ivan" which is an ill advised starship maneuver from Firefly.
Also The Hunt for Red October.
@@matdratTrue, I honestly wish they had done it. I'm curious what trying to drift a ST starship would look like.
@@lordofsparks didn't they pull that maneuver in Discovery season 2? It was supposed to be a donut and my one of my bigger critiques of that episode that it wasn't filmed more epically for that move but it was technically done.
@@matdrat My mind also went to hunt for red october.
Clearing the baffles...warp baffles...
Jessie Says that Ruthorford is Lacking in personality traits, other than just being a nerd, But I see him as an exaggerated Perfectionist. It's already happened at least twice that his tendency to try and fix what isn't broken by making it a TINY bit better has had an impact on the Main story: First when he Tried to upgrade the trasporters to go 0.02 seconds faster, causing Boimler to Glow loudly and making him a candidate for the farm. And now when he tried to up the volume on the Red alert Comms inside their favorite Hangout Hangar (I'm starting to feel that was an intended pun by the Show...) But ended up shutting them off, causing the 4 of them to Miss the Red alert Completely. Also him opening up Panels just to Twist some cores because "they tend to overheat otherwise", nobody but him would care to do that kind of Minute tuning on a ship that big. Plus his Weird Enjoyment of staying Days on end inside the Jefferies tubes Just to do Benign Maintenance... The Dude takes "Tech head" to a whole other level... (Gods-damnit, that's an other visual pun they put in there, what with him literally having tech in his head)
Tendi only successfully censoring herself when someone Swears was a nice character touch, because obviously that would be the one thing she'd be able to shut up about, what with her ultra-happy Bubbly personality.
Also, it's Kinda Nice to know that Q doesn't just mess with Picard and Janeway, he also occasionally goes around and screws with lower decks folks on various ships. Kinda Makes one wonder just how many people he's screwed around with in Starfleet over the years, and how many events have been made worse or better due to him screwing with someone at the wrong time.
Not sure if it's canon but there is a video game (well... interactive movie) where Q spends the entire game helping/trolling the player character who's a cadet. So I like to think Q messes with everyone. Game's called Star Trek: Borg and you can be watched on RUclips.
I think this episode is where Lower Decks stepped it up from just being an amazing show to being true Star Trek in the best possible way. Reminded me of "A matter of perspective" very much, I love how it tells us that probably not everything that we see in it is literally how it happened, something is probably exaggerated, like the smashing romulans with martial arts thing. And in the end we don't know the whole story, and the show tells us that we shouldn't, because we follow the lower decks crew, and they just don't get to know everything. This is some serious meta story telling, actually.
I mean Tendi was the one telling the story and the court guy was all like "you didn't ninja your way through six guards." And Tendi was like "Nope, nope, totally did." So it might not be 100% true.
Well, given some of what we know about Orion society, it doesn't surprise me that Tendi probably got a lot of oddball training.
I think I like it more hinting that Boimler is the ONLY one on the ship lacking good hand to hand combat training. He has his other skills as we saw with the buffer time episode, but personal combat has not been shown to be one.
She winked as to indicate she was foolin...
@@WKYanks I think the wink was more "yeah, we'll just agree that I didn't do that".
Her exact words were "you're right, I didn't." Winked as she said that. So I think she actually did.
Author, Author was a Voyager trial ep. Or as I like to think of it "Diet Measure of a Man".
@GozerTheTraveller I mean, I think Author, Author is a great episode. Love the Doctor, the holonovel stuff is hilarious... But Measure of a Man it ain't.
This was my favorite season one episode. I'm not usually one for non-linear storytelling but this one worked for me.
Just about everything Ruthorford went though had me in stitches, including the "Hey that's the ship from my story!" Line even though there was nothing there for him to see.
Kirkwood Smith's character getting more and more frustrated just got funnier on repeat viewings.
I don't know why but in my head their best dining hall somehow got mixed with the implication that it's also an alien Chuck E Cheese when the "Judge" said he was there to book his daughter's birthday party and that just tickles me.
The museum scene. Did you see the Vulcan ship in the background? That was an obvious nod to both Star Trek: First Contact and Star Trek: Enterprise.
I did!!
@@WKYanks There were a few ships there that I know I recognise but I couldn't place.
@@ShainThomas I'll have to go back and look, but I saw a Dominion ship...
A great episode, but personally, my favorite bit was the Gorn Wedding!
14:30 Jessie? I'm roommates with a martial artist, and have been since a couple months before the pandemic hit. I know _exactly_ why everyone knows martial arts in the future, or at least why it seems the vast majority of people in Starfleet know at least one martial art: Turns out, even if you aren't ever getting in fights, martial arts are a _fantastic_ way to get in shape and stay in shape when you have limited space to train in but plenty of access to food, water, and sleep. Like, say, a Starfleet crew such as that of the _Cerritos_ would have with their replicators and their amazing working conditions. And you can't tell me the bunks in the lower decks aren't well-soundproofed and -lightproofed when closed - Starfleet _clearly_ has the technology for such trivial quality-of-life improvements.
I hope that Q becomes a reqular recruiting character. Him being animated can make his antics so much more grandiose and chaotic
This is had to be my favorite episode of this series! I laughed so hard at the big Q moment. Chess, cards, a talking soccer ball! It was great. This episode flowed so well. I also felt like the references were on point. The fan dance! I love how these were little stories from each character’s perspective. Literally all the references are too much to list but the Gorn wedding was pretty fantastic and Tendy and Rutherford’s missions were so funny and i love how it’s in the perspective of each character. Ahhhh ok if i keep talking it’ll just be “omg did you see that?!” I’m happy you enjoyed the episode as much as i did.
I loved seeing the classic Gorn :)
Phylos is where Giant Spock came from. There is also a giant escaped scientist from the eugenics wars…or at least one of his clones!
It seems like this show is really going out of it's way to reference TAS as much as they can, which I think is really cool given that Lower Decks the closest we are ever gonna get to a sucessor to that show.
Other than that this was another fantastic ep. I loved Mariner telling off Q in the same tone I'd imagine one would use when trying to scare raccoons out of their trash(Now I really have the temptaion to draw her smacking him with a rolled up newspaper...) I also loved that Boimler did get a moment to show his confident side at the end after messing up at the begining, it really shows that he has good leadership instincts deep under all the insecurity. I like that the show does make the time to show that despite all the humor that when push comes to shove these four really are competent, good officers with a lot of potential. It helps you like the characters more, and I don't think the show would be as funny if they were just disasters 100% of the time.
However I def think the BEST part wasn't even the episode, it was the sneak peak for the next one. I won't spoil it if you're trying to avoid those but MAN I was laughing my ass off and I cannot wait for next thursday.
Anyway great video as always, I love hearing your perspective and I'm glad you're doing well!
I had an alternate take on Tendi's censorship. I took it as the writers acknowledging the actual censorship of course language on the show despite the fact that it's suitable for the target audience and everyone knows what's being said anyway. Sort of a writers' room shot at the suits... which always amuses me!
All I'll say is I'm glad someone on the Lower Decks staff remembers the Vulcan Long-Range Warp Shuttle from TMP, because it got shown in the show and that makes me happy, because I always thought it looked cool and everyone always wants to talk about their Type 5 Shuttles or their dumb Type 7 "minibus" Shuttle or the cool Type 2, but no one remembers the Long-Range Warp Shuttle. Thank you Lower Decks.
Oh, also Q showed up. And a John De Lanci is always nice to see, even if he wasn't terrorizing Twilight Sparkle to teach her a lesson about friendship.
Or tormenting Number One....er....Eve Baird with a Contract with the Devil ;-)
I like how Q in animation is basically Discord.
Laughing at referencing the worst episode of TAS, just after the previous episode referenced the worst episode of Voyager.
And (arguably) the worst episode of TNG with Sub Rosa!
Kyle Woodlock Lmao Sub-Rosa is bad, but I feel there’s far worse than Sub-Rosa: The Naked Now, Justice, The Child, The Outrageous Okana. The absolute WORST of TNG for me though is Code of Honor.
@@myriadmediamusings I absolutely agree with that sentiment, Code of Honor is one of the few trek episodes to make me feel downright unclean.
I think this is definitely my favourite episode so far, the Q cameo alone would have been enough to get it there but the whole thing was just so much fun.
Very fun ep, probably one of the strongest from a densely packed reference show and welcome cameos
Thanks for clearing up the giant Spock reference. OMG - Giant Spock makes me think of Giant Robot from the Japanese movie I saw when I was a kid!
The scanning joke I kept thinking oh they’re gonna take it too far but each time the timing just had me cracking up.
I am here for the spoiler free stuff, watching the episode during the weekend :)
Me too but I am watching in 6hrs.
One of my favorite jokes in this episode is that the guy only rented the room for 22 minutes. Or, about the length of the episode.
Giant Spock's been alive all this time? What a Mary Sue!
From memory, I think all the trial-like episodes are Court Martial, The Menagerie, The Magicks of Megas-Tu, Star Trek 6, The Measure of a Man, Matter of Perspective, Drumhead, Dax, Tribunal, Rules of Engagement, Death Wish, Living Witness, Judgement. The Time Trap, Beyond, and The Vulcan Hello only had a small trial-like scene so I'm not sure I'd count them, and Picard doesn't have a trial episode...YET!
I forgot Author, Author! Darn
@@KayleighBourquin you're a nnnnnnneeeeeeeerrrrrrddd!
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and I love you for it
I think Q might be going through whatever the immortal cosmic demigod version of a midlife crisis is.
THIS! This is what I wanted! I would give a favorite body part if the writers on this could take over Discovery!!
Does anyone know who kurtwood smith played? IMDB doesn't have it listed.
wasn't he Odo's predecessor on DS9? I think it's that and a few other things, but knowing my memory...
He played the main character, Clar!
Probably my favorite episode, definitely the episode that made me laugh the most. Also big thumbs up for Kurtwood Smith voicing the "prosecutor".
I realy liked this one, I love how there were a whole bunch of little stories in it
OH WHEN DOCTOR CAT LADY WAS ON THE WRONG SHIP PSIBDNPWPDJDBW
hayhay that was excellent and her doppelgänger non-cat doctor was so hilarious
This was my favourite episode so far. Love what they did with the structure of it and found myself laughing out loud through a LOT of it.
Personally loved at the end, the protags attacking the plot contrivances of the episode after their commendation when asking for “clarity”.
Speaking to everyone except Boimler being good at martial arts, I think that actually makes sense. Every series, Starfleet personnel win the bulk of any hand to hand fights that go down. Even against Klingons, who are supposed to be the proud warrior race, Starfleet still tends to fare better in a melee. I've always had the impression that Starfleet hand to hand training is just really, really good, and this feels like another reference towards that.
This was a great episode! So many Trek references! I loved how they mentioned the giant Spock in the animated series. I wasn't expecting that! And of course, I lalso loved the appearance of Q!!
I am also happy that the salt Vampires are still around!
John De Lancie's cameo alone made this awesome
I'll say the referencing is a getting a bit weary and spotty for me, the TNG Hunted reference in the beginning was kinda weak but the Balance of Terror reference with the D'deridexs had me cracking up
Also the whole fake out bit of this threatening thing is misunderstanding and not threatening at all is also a bit played out
I'm glad they are burning through the references and getting it out of their systems
omg, Jessie, this was so much fun. I'm pouring my second pint of Guinness while I watch you talk about it. my rating for this episode is 4 pints, at cellar temp. LLAP!
Not bad, 4 pints is above average!
I totally got giggly about Giant Spock.
Boimler is Picard to Mariners Kirk
i would say, an immature and unsure Spock to Mariner's Kirk.
I thought De Lancie's performance felt a little off. I was surprised to see that it was actually him.
John De Lancie returning as Q makes this the best episode of Star Trek since "All Good Things" originally aired! Boimler's "Drumhead" mic drop was HILARIOUS!
I really love how this show is consistently funny, while still feeling like it's completely part of the ST universe, and, never feeling mean spirited, or, like it's a parody of ST.
Okay, I just watched the rest of the your video. I'd be fine with Zachary Quinto being the 60 foot Spock. Or hey, how about this... Live-action flashback to that episode of the TAS and have Ethan Peck play regular Spock and Zachary Quinto playing 60 foot Spock (or the other way around). I just want more Spocks because... Well, I like me some Spock. Just give me all the Spock.
I need to rewatch the episodes, but I'm pretty sure they fit in a reference to the animated series in every episode (not including having T'Ana, since there have been Caitians in other Star Trek). Nearly DIED when Boimler referenced Sub-Rosa.
It's probably NOT, but I thought T'Ana clip of the "parallel universe"/wrong ship was a reference to the Parallel Lives and IDIC storyline from the Star Trek Ongoing comic. But maybe it is... At this point, I don't want to doubt Lower Decks on how deep it'll cut for a reference.
Randomly comment: If they ever DO an actual parallel universe thing on Lower Decks, I need Ransom to comment on how he hates when that happens, because Sliders helped me fall in love with sci-fi. If we can have such deep cut Star Trek references, we can sneak in a reference to one of the cast's old roles.
Fun fun episode. I love where Brad is explaining that the senior officers don't always know what's going on so the lower deck screws certainly doesn't know. Remind me of The Next Gen episode the attached where Picard and Crusher or somehow mentally linked and they're trying to go a certain way to get away and Picard says "let's go this way" and Crusher says "you don't know which way to go you're just guessing" great references super fun episode as I said just loved it I did the edit my post to get this in here about the 60 foot Spock Jessie you're such a nerd that my wife wants to adopt you LOL
I admit I forgot who Roga Danar was and had to pause the episode to look him up. Makes me wonder who would win if he fought Khan.
I was also glad to see hockey sticks in Q's game. Also, I wish this Q were the only Q we had to talk about.
A Trek show that makes Trek references seems weird but it occurred to me that the principal characters of traditional Trek shows are largely famous in universe. Especially within Starfleet itself.
These Lower Decks characters are making their equivalent of pop culture references.
To me, that's pretty great.
I enjoyed Kurtwood Smith and John de Lancie in this one. This was fun, but I won't rate it quite as high as the last few; I guess I've become accustomed to having part of the show centered on one of our main characters. I liked the twist of this turning into a party at the end. All our leads were in character and Tendi showed once again she can fight! TONS of trek references, and I mean TONS of them! I'll go 7 of 10 for this one. Still enjoyable, just not as high as recent episodes. All in good fun.
13:21 Rather have the Kelvin spock guy do it.
The "I like science" just made me go.....no.
Without a doubt, my favorite joke in the episode was (redacted).
I love this show, it's quickly becoming my favourite Star Trek series.
I really hope they start leaning into the absurd again. These last to episodes have been too "real" for an animated series.
Loved it! I forgot about giant Spock being TAS. I just assumed it was Season 3 TOS that I never rewatch. I haven't made it through TAS more than once. Save for the Spock episode where he goes back in time to when he was a kid.
Just caught the episode. I FELL FOR IT. Although, to be fair, my first real "paying attention" Star Trek moment was The Undiscovered Country in theaters.
Thank you for explaining the Animated Series tie-in. I barely remember any of it, except some episode where all the women crew members had to save everybody 'cause the men were...out of commission? Under a spell? It's late. *furiously Google searches* The Lorelei Signal! That one.
Q and Mariner ABSOLUTELY have met before this episode and he totally meets her for drinks to complain about Jean-Luc. Mariner is just trying to downplay her experience in front of the rest of the Lower Decks. That's my head-canon and I'm gonna stick to it. :D
I assumed Tendi was kicking so much butt because she was telling the story so made herself look good :)
Samanthan Rutherford is the best name! Also Tendi is me. As for martial arts, at least they have some skill, which is something I wish the other show’s crews could do lol 😂
The references are fun, but when they come this thick and fast with so little else in between it starts to kind of make the star trek universe feel really small. It's like Dr Crusher is the only person ever to have an embarrassing hookup with a haunted candle...
Loved this episode, loved the opening of trial scene, had me thinking of VI. I did like the surprise at the end, that was a hoot. I got to see romulans, and since Romulans are secretive, or we just don’t know much about them as a culture, I did love the covert operations.
Encounter at Farpoint...
Big Spock is the same epp as the plant people referenced in an earlier epp.
Episode spoiler - but, the salt vampire made me very happy! I loved the salt vampire from TOS, and it's so much fun to think that instead of being extinct they are just good enough at blending in that people would think they are. 🧂😂
Since the alien of the week seemed to operate on the principle of opposite day, my head canon is the ex-prisoner dude was actually super happy he didn’t get to put his name on that stone tablet and whining about having a sucky party is actually a display of great gratitude and respect. Freeman is obviously being a human centric ignoramus who misread the whole situation. Young Tuvok would be so vindicated (barely relevant reference yay!)
Also, I did initially find it a bit weird that Q was trolling random Starfleet crews but then it does make sense a bored omnipotent being would be able to mess around with multiple people with ease. So more head canon. Many if not most members of Starfleet actually have a relationship with Q and the reason Q said “The trial never ends” in the TNG finale is because he’s not done screwing around with them.
Can't wait to have my friend watch her first episode with Q . She can tell by how he is talked about how good of a character he is.
I need to see the 60 ft Spock in live action now
hands down this the best episode of Lower Desk so far
The Voyager episode "Death Wish" had a trial, but it wasn't really the same...like at all...
This episode was fantastic, the next time preview looks good as well. 🖖👍
I loved this episode. And now I've watched your video I'm going to watch the episode again!
Well, I think Starfleet trains all officers in martial arts, so it's not too unusual that most of them are good at it.
I laughed so hard I had trouble breathing. Oh, and I love the reference to TAS episode "The Infinite Vulcan"...which, btw, was written by Walter Keonig. I think there was one or two sour notes in the episode, but I loved it. :) Why does this season have to be only 10 episodes?
Not my favorite episode so far but some real highlights. Love Kurtwood Smith, so that alone was a treat.
I loved the Crazy Ivan reference and the monolith from 2001.
Was this the origin story for the old bird of Prey we see in Picard?
Also, Mike McMahon has consistently said that HE considers TAS canon, and that one of his goals for this series was to, and I quote, "cement the animated series' proper place as a part of Star Trek canon."
So there you go. As of Lower Decks arrival, TAS is canon.
I have always held that TAS is canon.
I enjoyed the episode, but I wasn't laughing much until the very end, and basically everything Boimler brought up had me in tears - referencing The Infinite Vulcan and Sub Rosa, the Q bit, the gag with T'Ana getting on the wrong ship and thinking she was in an alternate dimension, continuing Ransom's obsession with Spain (and really, he should be on the Alhambra just because the city in California is named for a fortress in Spain), and topping it off with Q trying to torment the ensigns. Like all he does is spend eternity hopping form one Starfleet ship to another
Well, given that eternity is...well...eternal, Q must be rather bored. (I've always thought that the Doctor in Doctor Who left Gallifrey because of utter boredom...and the same holds true for most rogue Time Lords).
@@artemisiatheta7549 You'd think his species would have evolved some sort of perception that prevented them getting bored by virtue of their very existence.... But it's not like Star Trek ever thinks through the ramifications of anything the writers come up with.
Technically, Rutherford doesn't know any martial arts at this point - but his implant does!
looks like q is finally tired of messing with picard i hope that does not mean he will not appear in star trek picard
If that does happen I do hope Q could make some off the hand comment or muttering how he shoulda stayed on the Cerritos or saying he had more fun with “those ensigns” or something like that.
The gorn wedding was great! It had everything else, cool crazy Aliens... yeah it was goofy as always, and the humor is not always good.But bad humor is a very old school st thing too...
Best part? Hmmmm.....GORN WEDDING!
Loved there was NO "25% re-imagining" crap.
This is the first Trek, since 2005, to depict TOS stuff as it supposed to be.....and NO kelvin, and NO discovery versions....YAY.
So not one word of a lie; I haven't laughed out loud so often in 22 minutes of TV in a long time as I did in this episode. I mean full guffaws.
There was so much that was just hilarious, but the Tendi vinette:
"Apologozing to the enemy? That's cold."
"You are playing some f*cked up mindgames, Cleaner."
I mean so many good lines.
"OMG WE'RE BEING SCANNED! Oh whew it's ok OH SHIT WE'RE BEING SCANNED!"
i want to see Rutherford and Tindi hook up either by the last episode of this season or they hook up in season 2....also Q had a huge crush on both Picard and Janeway...and he was afraid of Sisko
RUclips just now recommended me the stuff you did with PRIDE. I've been watching this channel for about a year now. Instead of recommending me something I might actually watch, I have been getting so much anti-LGBTQ+ recommendations, the algorithm is so messed up.
Yeah this may have been my favorite episode so far but yeah the punchline was a little too long and I wish that cameo wasn't revealed before but beside that it was great.
The show is fun but my only complaint is that there’s absolutely no overall arch? You could randomize all the episodes’ order. Like it’s not bad, and I guess you could say there’s suggestions towards character archs but a story would’ve also been nice
That’s basically how Star Trek was prior to Discovery and Picard.
I think martial arts is a part of Starfleet training.
No, Tendi DIDN"T beat up a bunch of guys. They literally ask her in the hall if she used martial arts on a bunch of guys with guns, and she kinda shrugs and sheepishly says, "no, not really".
So, alien prison episode check. Q appearance, check. Full blown recreation of the live action episode of Lower Decks. CHECK CHECK CHECK. Once again it is impossible for me to hate this show. Boimler and Mariner on the Bridge, gold. The constant rebooting of Rutherford's implant? Amazing. Tendi, badass good girl *ding* Gorn wedding, why the hell not? Fourth wall breaks, well more like being shattered. I will get a bit more serious for a moment. For those who know, in high school I was in a Trek based RPG. I have been on missions like that, and they are hell. The ONLY gripe I have(basically a nitpick) is why put Mariner and Boimler on Conn and opps(we know from Terminal Provocations that Ensign Barnes...the one who kissed Rutherford, is in operations) I'm legitimately going to miss this show while waiting for season 2
Lower Decks seems to have gone out of its way to make all the TAS stuff canon in some way or another.
The giant Spock is dead. Just in case anyone wanted to know.
I think Tandy made up the martial art part of the story (wasn't she even confirmed it?).
Is Lower Decks canon? I've heard it said that all "live action" treks are canon, but that might be outdated.
They said in an interview that it’s canon with the other shows. They also said TAS is canon too.
@@JessieGender1 TAS has been canon since 2007 (as per StarTrek.com), although admittedly this was to aid the marketing for the newly released TAS DVDs!
Did you get on the wrong ship?
VOY had Dinosaur episode.
best episode so far!
I will often mock people who hate any kind of change and seem disturbed by the very idea of change but here I am being angry and disturbed by all the changes taking place in Star Trek. Does that make me a hypocrite?
Speaking only for myself all the changes wouldn’t bother me so much if they had just set Discovery after Voyager.
it's like 6am Thursday morning, how have you not only watched the episode, but analyzed it, recorded, edited, and uploaded a video?!
I do it every week haha. I watch the episode as soon as it goes up
@@JessieGender1 impressive! keep up the great work! haven't watched this video yet (dont wanna spoil the ep .. my daughter and i watch the episodes together! :)
If anyone is fit to play giant spock it's quinto.
How do you know if Spock 2 is still alive? lol
He’s alive in my heart.
How are you doing today .