New Study Shows Best 2023 Truck Bang for the Buck and Long Lasting
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- Shopping for a new truck can be difficult with lots of choices and decisions to be made. A new study from iSeeCars.com reveals some really interesting information you need if you are shopping today for the best bang for the buck and which one lasts the longest.
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Couldn't the results be skewed by the number of trucks sold? More trucks = more to go wrong right? But very informative. Thanks Tim.
@@triedproven9908 sure percentages do play a role. The more you build, the more odds things could go wrong. Just hard to say.
@@triedproven9908 I can see that but I can also see "more trucks sold=odds of more trucks reaching higher mileage" so that would skew the numbers the other way. But looking at the list, Tacoma sold more than everyone and it is at the top. Honda sold less than a third of what Chevy sold yet it beat it. Same with full-size, Chevy, high volume, on top but Ford, another high-volume, much lower. And a relatively low volume seller, Tundra is #2. Very interesting data.
At 90,000 miles, my 2016 Tundra finally had its first mechanical problem: the left front turn signal bulb burned out. (If only the new Tundra's were as good!)
My 07 Tundra SR5 4*4 has 301k. It 2 tracks all day long. I bought it with 25 miles on it. Still rolling !
I am a 2nd gen Tundra owner and I was on the market to buy a 1/2 truck since 2016, and I finally bought it in 2021. I paid 56k OTD during the pandemic (MSRP + taxes). Every year when I was in the market here in WA and I tried to buy a 1/2 ton truck, Toyota Tundra's prices were one of the most competitive compared to the other 1/2 trucks (except the Titan). The American trucks were more expensive and they were offering larger discounts pre-pandemic, but still the Tundra's price was below the other trucks when compared apples to apples (similar trim levels). Tundra has one of the lowest ownership cost in my opinion if you consider similar years, resale value and etc.
They pretty much remedied the lowest price problem for the the Tundras with the newest generation and it’s pricing. 😃
I have a 2022 Toyota Tacoma TRD sport 4x4 bluecrush with 42,000 miles. Zero things wrong with it. I just change the oil with full synthetic and rotate tires every 5,000 miles. Very glad with the purchase.
42,000 miles is basically nothing. That truck is barely broken in. I put 242,000 miles on a 2007 F150 with no major repairs. Still had original engine, transmission, rear end, starter, alternator, radiator, etc, etc. The guy I sold it to now has it up to 260,000 miles, and it's still going strong. See if your Toyota gets anywhere near that mileage without a major repair.
I would also like to see this with 5 year since so many changes have taken place in trucks.
I think Frontier owners tend to keep them so you don’t see them for sale as often compared to the others which is why there are more with lower miles for sale.
My last employer had a few 1500 Chevys. 4 of them had 300-350k on them. The 5.3 is very good.
I wonder how the numbers would change for the Titan if one excludes the 5.0 diesel in the XD. Or was the XD not included at all? Would be interesting to see.
This is very interesting and a good conversation. I am not sure about the methodology used in the study. I have a hard time believing that the Nissan Titan - the only truck without any turbo option- is ranked so low. They also have a 100K mile warranty. It does make you wonder if this can be accurate. I agree with all your comments.
The chevy has had the 2.7 turbo for at least 5 years now. 2019 model, but often they come out months before that in the previous year. So part of 2018 already. There should be a good chunk of 2.7 engines included in this study.
I've worked in the auto parts business for almost 40 years and we don't even stock part's for Toyota Tundras,just don't sell them . GM full size trucks are our biggest calls ,all years .They keep part stores in business!
You better start stocking them.
I am thinking too,that the average Toyota owner services their trucks alot different then the other brand owners . We need a study on that.😃
2007 f150 4.6l, I have 265k miles on it and I had to replace the intake manifold summer of 2022. That's the only issue I have had with it for 16 years!
If the Tacoma had a bigger back seat, that would be my number 1 choice. But both the Frontier and Ranger have a bigger backseat, so I'd go with one of those, since i have 2 kids
This is a factor for us too, looking forward to test driving Ranger and Tacoma new modejs
I had money down on a 24 Tundra in Solar Octane and changed my mind once I tried to fit my family in the rear seat. It’s too small. 😢
The Gladiators I believe have the most room in the back seat, so that is appealing to me now also
I really appreciate this content.. wonder where reliability is going to go with all the turbo V6 coming replacing V8's. I don't know if I'm old school, stuck in my ways, or just obstinate - but I want a naturally aspirated engine V6 - midsize and v8 - 1/2 ton
I bought a 2024 Nissan Frontier after buying Toyota's for years. I was not impressed by the 2023 Toyota Tacoma.
Congrats ! Just bought a 24 Tundra Pro in October and really like it so far ..almost a whopping 3 thousand miles:)
Thanks for doing the video. More efficient for me to come to one channel, yours than hunting the data down on various places to stay on top of the news.
I think sales volume would help with average lifespan and I think Nissan doesn’t sell as many trucks but I could be wrong.
Hey Tim,
I don’t quite understand this study.
Chevy didn’t reintroduce the Colorado until 2015. That’s only 8 years. Don’t remember how many years it was out of production between old model and the reintroduction?
As always stay safe and healthy.
Ron
Just reporting what they found. I did find that odd as well.
Planning on keeping my 2017 Hilux for another 4 to 5 year, my dad’s 2009 Hilux running strong at 300k plus miles. When going in outskirts I trust my Hilux than my 2022 VW
Their math is simplified a bit... They take the purchase price and divide by how many 10K mile segments are in the average lifespan column. Example: The Nissan math is $42,490/14.47 = $2936. That makes the Nissan appear to have higher costs simply because the owners don't drive as much as the other brands.
That’s not necessarily as simple. I usually sell a vehicle when problems start popping up and I don’t want to deal with them. Most people do that.
Which means if the problems start popping up earlier for Nissans then you gonna see Nissans on the used market on average with less mileage than other brands. This is what I think is happening here, or that Nissan trucks (especially the Titan) was sold in such a small numbers that the Nissan part of the study sample is just too small and the sample could be easily biased by a few bad apples.
@@is6566 correct I own a 2021 Titan with out any issues.
198k on 2008 Tacoma bought new and sold in 2023 for 2/3 what it was bought it for. Thing was a tank.
Seems like someone is hating on Nissan.
I agree. Maybe something to do with the introduction of DI only? I don't know
Yeah it's pretty odd that they are giving these stats when the Tundra is only 2 years old. Also I drive Chev Silverado 1500s at work and I'm less than impressed, engine light going on is pretty common.
The Tundra is NOT 2 years old. 😃. More like 25.
@@is6566 The new Tundra, obviously. 🤪 Totally new truck, what are those numbers based on?
@@1diggers1 sales are based off the September 2023-December 2023. Long-term reliability is 10 years. You know. Like I said in the video. :)
"Best _______ truck" is like all the "Can I retire with $$$,$$$,$$$" posts on the interwebs. Far too dependent on individual use: Off road, trailering, work truck, grocery getter, etc. My biggest interest is in drivetrain. Will the LZO and 10-speed trans go 300k miles? Acknowledge that same variables (especially towing/frequency/weight).
That timing BELT is a real question mark.
GM requires it to be changed at 200,000 miles. So they are either super cynical and they think all of the LZ0s will be dead by then or they truly believe these engines and trucks gonna tick along for more than 200+k.
I think the ranking itself doesn’t really matter here. There could be subjective assumptions made that we might not agree with. However, I think the most important part of this study is the average mileage of the trucks sold as used vehicle. That shows durability for me.
It’s also important to keep it in mind what the denominator for the average was in these cases. Ford and GM sells a crapload of full size trucks compared to Nissan and Toyota. They are selling a magnitude more full size trucks than Toyota and definitely than Nissan and they still came in with high average mileage. That’s pretty good for GM and Ford.
Same for midsize. Toyota sold almost a quarter million tacos for the last ten years every year! Compared to that the GM and Honda numbers were accounting dust and the Tacoma had the highest mileage in average. Very impressive. Let’s see if they can keep it up with the new Tacoma.
You're looking at average odometer readings. Not how many breakdowns it had. Not how many got totaled out early. Not what is truly the most reliable necessarily. My state doesn't even ask me the odometer reading. My last tundra I had 15 years 255,000 mi and I replaced one alternator. Besides maintenance like changing oil and air filter. That was my actual repair cost My 17 tundra I've got about 115,000 mi on it, I have only changed oil and filter, air filter and cabin filter. Can't speak on the tundras with the new V6 turbos, but the older tundras and tacomas definitely tough as hell! This study literally just shows how many miles the average owner of said vehicle brand drives over 10 years.
When you are doing a study on 181 MILLION used cars then the sample size is large enough (maybe not for the Titan) to compensate for odd events like wrecked vehicles etc. You are right about the possibility of repairs needed vs trouble free miles. Odometer reading will not tell you that but it at least shows how many miles the vehicle was able to move on its own.
There are million mile Frontiers too. Even the four banger...
Tim, maybe I missed it, but what constitutes “lifespan”?
I watched twice and did not hear that explanation.
Some people will shovel a lot of money to keep their old vehicle going rather than kick it to the curb and move on.
The study at the 2:05 mark.
Nissan Frontier and Tacoma are top two and have been for almost two decades now.
Not for Nissan according to the data shown here.
Frontier came in second place in reliability except maybe 2-3 years (Ford Ranger) for literally 15 years. That is also on this channel.@@is6566
Thanks for the interesting numbers.
Thanks, Tim for sharing.
Very good info thank you
I always take these "studies" with a large grain of salt.
To say the 2022 Tundras are going to last is a joke. We are 2 1/2 model years into the new model so this bias is based on the 2nd gen Tundras liability.
Yup and so far they have been a joke...lots of problems and ugly and expensive AF
@@mjuberian100%. Not only is the new Tundra have the ugliest brown bagger of a front end ever put on a vehicle in 100 years, but as a 2021 Tundra owner there is absolutely nothing about this new truck that would get me to sell my 2021 model even if they gave me a 2024 for free.
I came from a F-150 King Ranch ecoboost and had horrific problems with that twin turbo to the point where I had to replace both turbos at 141,000'ish miles totalling $7,000 to replace. I literally sold the truck as is to Ford and walked across the street and bought my Tundra and drove home that night becausre it was a solid reliable V8.
@@SuperSnakePlisskenI also had a 2021 Tundra, thought it would be my truck for 15-20 years. Some guy hit me head on and totalled it, I walked away ok. Fast forward a year, I'm driving a 2022 Tundra SR5, color matched, 6.5 bed Crewmax, bigger tires... Looks really mean. I love this truck. It's better in so many ways than my 2021. I was a hater of the new truck, but it's safety in crash testing is better, and the ride and handling is much much better.
@@stevieray1828 Same (almost) Loved my 2016 platinum Tundra and still do like the 2nd gens (2.5) but really am loving my 2024 Pro Tundra and it's much more platinum than my 16 minus the full-grain leather. The new seats are smaller/tighter than last gen but you sit 'in' them instead of 'on' them if that makes sense?! Pleather is fine with me as less up keep and the heater/cool works much better. Have to only keep on medium as that's hot enough ! Turn radius isn't as good and have a manual adjust steering wheel instead of full automatic but the heated wheel is an absolute upgrade. The look is debatable but with the matched grill and black accents this thing is a true beauty. Thanks Toyota !!!
Some times when I see the new Tundras they look ugly, but sometimes they look really good. I think color, wheels, tires, chrome all make a difference. The Pro looks really great. The fact that Toyota is using the power train in multiple vehicles means they can put more research and testing into it as opposed to many different set ups. Same with new Tacoma
What’s odd is the GMC and the Silverado are different. Another consideration is not just total mouse but Repair I would guess the general motors trucks had more things on them than the Toyota did.
I think this analysis reflects more the lifestyle of the drivers buying these vehicles, e.g. I can imagine the GMC Sierra & Nissan Titan being owned by older rich guys that are sitting home weekends, and aren't driving a dirt bike all over the country every weekend. So really, this becomes more of an analysis of depreciation based on actual miles driven instead of what the cost of keeping a vehicle on the road is. That's what I want to know. Just what did it cost in repairs to keep a Tundra going for 226k miles. Then you could say that the Tundra was better than the Titan. But this analysis only says that Tundra drivers drive more than Titans.
Fords tend to be used as work trucks much more than any other brand. Fleets use mostly F150s and most farmers and small businesses use Fords as well. Some use GMs and Rams, but it's a small percentage.
This is really interesting data. And it's real long-term info like this that is hard to argue with. Which really shows, it's all about what you like and what you want to pay for. Quite obvious that Toyota/Chevy fanboys will love the data and Nissan/Ford will dismiss it and yet their buying/selling created this data. If a company could produce data from just one question "Why did you buy this truck?". I'm thinking the #1 answer by far will be, "Because of the brand logo on the front"
They should have broken it down by region. Every truck's reliability is going to be influenced by the environment it is driven in. The numbers are going to be skewed by trucks that never see extreme winters or excessively damp climates. I would think a California truck would last much longer than a truck driven anywhere in the mid-west.
Such a strange way to “rank” reliability… longest lasting, maybe, but if that’s the case they’d be ranked on average miles only. Using the purchase price of new today data combined with 10 year old vehicles just doesn’t make sense with all new generations of vehicles with little in common with the used vehicles they’re comparing to.
Keep in mind, in any research that is done, numbers can be manipulated, directing results in favoritism. That being said, looking at the Nissan results is completely preposterous. Especially 144k in lifespan is a tell, tell sign of manipulation, because it’s quite obvious people who really know the vehicle industry can tell you how reliable a Nissan engine is without much maintenance on the way. All in all I own 3 different brands and it’s a matter of doing the regular maintenance to keep them on the road. Drive safe!!!
Thinkng about commercial vehicles, Toyota doesn't sell as many tundras as commercial vehicles where as the Silverado is a very common commercial vehicle. So the prices are lower on average.
What do you think??
They focus on consumer vehicles and not commercial per the quote.
@@Pickuptrucktalk thanks for the clarification.
I am not so surprised about the Nissan Frontier. Nissan NA, IMHO, failed when they did not make any attempt to bring it the Nissan Navara pick-up that is being sold around the rest of the World. The Frontier is now at least 2 generations behind the Navara as a new Navara model was released recently. It now shares underpinnings with the Mitsubishi Triton pick-up. Try checking some Australian YT channels that do pick-up and SUV reviews. You'd be surprise at both the difference in the Navara compared to the North American Frontier.
Tim, I just bought a new 2023 Ford F-150 Platinum
Nice. Enjoy!
So that's the average mileage those vehicles made it to?
Yes.
@@is6566 I wonder if that includes wrecks too?
Not if they went to junkyard. The company doing the study only “sees” the used cars sold on their (or publicly available, I am not sure of that part) websites. In any case only the used cars sold to next customer are included.
I can only go by my experiences. There can and will be exceptions.
I owned a Toyota Corolla for years. Worse car I have ever owned. Problem after problem.
My wife owned a Ford Ranger. That thing was a beast. 300k+ miles. The only thing that could take it out was a crazy woman, totalled by losing control of her vehicle while the truck was parked in the Walmart parking lot.
After I traded in my crappy Corolla, I bought a Ford Focus (Needed a small car for gas mileage and work). That car also gave me problems. Especially the hydraulic system and oxygen sensors...
Buy any brand car and roll the dice....
P.S. Current vehicle is a 2023 Canyon Denali... so far not one single problem with 15k miles.
I've owned fords and chevys,but I switched to Toyota, hands down best pickup trucks I've ever owned no maintenance just oil changes!!!!
It is what happens between 10 and 15 years and then 15 to 20 years that is the most important
That is only sales price data. It doesn't include running costs, etc.
Today, I saw an Orange Tacoma exact like that one.
Sticker..$70000😢
Wow!
Ridiculous.
Where's the Stout?
Toyota reliability is in the past. The new stuff is trash. Add a turbo to a 4 or 6 and reliability goes out the window.
Exactly why I grabbed a 2023 Tacoma! Last V6.
For those who say the new turbo'd Toyota's will not last, they put them in their flagship Lexus brand . I'd trust that their turbo'd engines are built better with more reliability than anyone elses, whether it be car or truck.
@@RK-nr8qfDo people tow with a Lexus? Gasoline turbo engines run significantly hotter than a diesel. I love turbos, but do they really belong in a petrol truck? Little engine with little turbos. Idk, not sold on the idea.
The longest lasting truck is the one that is well-maintained and not abused.
New Tundra has not lived up to the previous gen reputation so far.
Slightly disingenuous comments concerning the Tundra. While you stated the obvious that it's not at the top of the list, you seem to gloss over that it is No. 2 - and lasts 13% + longer than the top-rated truck.
I think these numbers about to change a lot. The nissan frontier is maintenance sensitive. I think you will see that one go up fast.
Everything else is turbocharged now so it should be better long term in theory
Guys. Turbos are just fine nowadays. Get the memo finally. 😃 This is NOT your grandfather’s turbos anymore.
@@is6566 I'm sure they can be. I have full confidence a reliable turbo engine can be built by OEMs. The engines obviously would need better internals. However, since most are not releasing the full description of how the internals of their engines are built. Cast or forged, aluminum or steel, etc. Sometimes I find one or 2 parts they show. Like gms forged steel high strength crank shaft or steel seat ring. They never tell us it all though. So we are left to wonder. It's a crap shoot. Fords 3.5 ecoboost was horrible from 2014 to 2017. Now it's seems better. Seen several from 2018 and 2019 with over 200k. But is it competing with the longevity of the coyote yet? I have my doubts
Yes I understand the hesitation but I think at this point Ford sold so many of the 3.5 and 2.7 that they can be judged reliable. In one of my trucks I have the coyote 5.0 but in recent years they started using cylinder deactivation and changed the lining so who knows.
Practically, the 5.0 is changed every 3-5 years now with new parts and manufacturing processes. So saying I have a 5.0 doesn’t mean much because a 5.0 from 2024 has AFM, no liners other than plasma lining compared with mine from 2018 that has the same lining but no AFM and the 2017 doesn’t have any of that.
@@is6566 with any luck in just a few years the debate will be over and you will be correct. Turbos are superior in many ways.
2005-2009 4.0 Nissan platform has the strawberry milkshake of death and it almost sounds like that data pulled into this survey
Seems GMC should have been maintained slightly better and gone more miles than the Silverado.
Toyota was 30k longer which is 2 years longer. That’s only a cost of 4 dollars off cost
Oh boy…
This will not go well with the Ridgeline haters.
Ridgeline
I just wanted to comment because I was the first to comment!!! 🙂
Congrats! You win an imaginary cookie!
Well done, sir! 🫡
Imaginary cookies are the best! I'm on a diet. LOL @@Pickuptrucktalk
Thanks Dave, I haven't been saluted in a long time. @@DaveInCanada081
Everyone knows Tunda is #1 IMO ford is highest domestic.
Nissan Titan is the best truck that will last the longest.
Liked your comment and have owned 3 Titans but hands down the Tundra is better imo.
These studies are always bs some things studies don't account for like honda toyota nissan or any other foreign brand or even domestic mid size trucks being worked hard. I mean look at all the fords chevys rams working everywhere idling all day hauling max trailers and payloads on the job. Literally none of the top five are doing any real work and mostly just haul groceries and golf clubs. We got fords that run all day and night 2 12 hour shifts 7 days a week off road being abused by the whole crew idling in negative to 100 degree temps.
Toyota for the win. What you’re missing is the price of the TRD PRO and addendums. The Tundra had the highest lifespan and only 8 bucks more. Chevy doesn’t have anything to compare. You’re welcome.
Not to mention all the extra repairs the Chevy probably had, time wasted in dealerships
Yhaaa! Toyota tundra V8 should have pulled it to the top. What Chevy engine did better to pull it to the top?
I wish I had a break down on engines. I just can't find that data anywhere I've looked.
Lifter issues still seem to exist in the 5.3 and 6.2 engines. 3.0 is still relatively new. So...
Thanks for looking, always enjoy your videos. @@Pickuptrucktalk
Thanks for your knowledge on lifter issues. @@JJJ5.7
5.0 Coyote is still king
The method that is used to determine a trucks reliability that you use is very flawed. It is not only not accurate but uses flaky data to determine reliability.
What’s flawed about it?
Long live the Ridgeline.
Ridgeline is a car with a bed. The v6 and frame clarify this.
I'm just here for a vibe. You get your like. 🙂
They really ruined it with the turbos.
Toyota lasting the longest. Thats why ill always go Toyota.
Only if you want to be buried in your Toyota…
Not when it comes to half tons
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@@domin8ss wheres the million mile silverado? f-150? ram?
@@paulcondie2520 they fixed that problem. has the big three fixed their reliability issues?
I don't believe these rankings, sorry.
Toyota over engineers there trucks to last in different climates. You pay more but you get more back in reliabilty!
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Ls valve train issues are no different. All manufacturers have problems
Ls valve train issues are no different. All manufacturers have problems
@@sierratough4934Toyota didn't produce the frames though
@@stevieray1828Toyota doesn't produce many of the parts they use to assemble their vehicles. They are the company which sells to customers those assembled parts, in the form of a vehicle.
The "study" is beyond worthless
Toyota worth it for the extra cost?? Absolutely 😂
You should learn to talk slower !! You are difficult to understand
How is it the Silverado is #1 and GMC is #5. Other than a bit of lipstick it's the same damn truck. Survey belongs in the nearest dumpster!
This is most likely because most Silverado are sold with the v8 and gmc sell more of the 2.7. I'm sure we could find that data