Jay Smith vs. Nadir Ahmed - Scientific Miracles in the Quran
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- Опубликовано: 22 окт 2020
- Jay was asked by the Trinity Channel to do a debate for them on Thursday evening, February 21st on the topic: 'Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an'. He was to oppose Nadir Ahmed, a well-known Muslim debater, who has created videos on this very subject as far back as 2008.
It turned out to be a rather simple if not entertaining debate, though Jay was somewhat disappointed that Nadir wasn't a better opponent, as he wasted most of his time attempting to move the debate away from the scientific problems in the Qur'an and onto the Bible, particularly harping incessantly on the parable of the Mustard seed, which he considered was a scientific error.
Jay was a little surprised that the moderator, someone whose position is to moderate and take a neutral stance, instead entered into the debate himself, taking equal time with Jay on the Christian side. Some have assumed justifiably that this may have looked like 'ganging up on poor Nadir'. Nonetheless, Eddie, the moderator did a slap-up job, particularly as an expert on the Arabic words and phrases in the Qur'an, as its his native tongue.
We encourage you to watch the entire debate, as you will see that there are a myriad of scientific claims Muslims make for their Qur'an, which are nothing more than mere observations, or borrowings from other sources. This point came out clearly in this debate, coupled with a few scientific errors, despite Nadir's remonstrations to the contrary.
This area of research is new to Jay, and the first time he has even debated it with a Muslim. Due to the popularity of the subject in the Islamic world Jay has decided to create an entire series on this subject for Pfanderfilms!
So, enjoy the debate, and 'hold this space'
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Nadir became a full potato.
Nadir is still debating. Wow. That is a miracle. Check out Dr Micheal Brown destroy him in a recent debate. Great fun.
the only miracle here is how jay can "debate" this guy with a straight face. I cannot see how jay doesn't die laughing every time nadir opens his mouth.
... yes and he nearly did not close it!!
Poor Nadir loses every single debate, but keeps trying and trying. :/ Oh dear, it's like watching an accident and trying to unsee it.
Opinion noted.
Oh no not Nadir. The worst debater I have ever listened to.
Too bad Nadir can't name two seas that meet, not a river and a sea.
So on the topic for the day "Scientific Miracles in the Quran" Nadir says, "You don't apply scientific knowledge to a miracle." It's a miracle the debate lasted almost 2 hours.
Gosh this guy is dumb! He says the milk comes from udder and not breasts. Here is what Wikipedia says, "An udder is an organ formed of two or four mammary glands on the females of dairy animals and ruminants such as cattle, goats, and sheep. An udder is equivalent to the breast in primates and elephantine pachyderms."
Asking nadir to be open and honest?? Lol that's like asking for allah to learn basic science never gonna happen
"The sun sets in a muddy pool" :
a) You missunderstand it, you can't speak arabic
b) This is just, how it looks like
c)
It is meant metaphorically
d) You take it out of content
e) It is just a quote of Dhū l-Qarnain ("The Two-Horned One", Alexander the Great)
f) .....
f) Sunan Abu Dawud 4002 is a weak Hadith
g) but...but...but... mustard seed 🥺
h) abuse verbally.
shithead, what about f) IT DOESN'T SAY THAT.
Nadir: "you can do a quick Google search to find honey comes from the stomach"
*guy on phone does quick google search*
Guy on phone " i see it doesnt come from stomach from stomach on my google search"
Nadir: " oh you are going to need more than a quick google search to find that"
What an idiot 🙄
A snake smiles through his teeth as Jay simply reads his Quran and traditions back to him. I honestly don't know why Muslims keep putting Nadir out there. It's almost as bad as Hijab and Dawah. Almost.
I thought Mohammad Hijab was excellent in his debate with David Wood. Absolutely smashed it. Mohammad even gave his time to Wood, because he had answered all the objections Wood had raised.
Thank you, Eddie for keeping Nadir in check with the Arabic!
Dr. Brown already destroyed Nadir's career. White destroyed it again.
I can only deal with arguments. the virginity test found in the Bible... clearly disproves it. Jay was not even able to defend it.
@@nadirahmed4224 with all due respect, you spent the entire time zoning in on bees and honey- and still got it wrong. After watching you fail to comprehend even a modicum of facts during your debate with Dr. Brown, now this debate, I think it is safe to say nothing I can say here will make a difference. In regards to the scientific catastrophe that is the Quran, bees and honey are the least of your problems.
The Quran claims that:
- the sun sets in a muddy pool (surah 18:86)
- semen is formed between the backbone and ribs ( Surah 86:6-7)
- there are seven earths and that the sun orbits the earth ( surah 36:38-40)
- human embryos are blood clots ( surah 22:5)
- the sky would fall on earth if Allah didn't hold it up (surah 22:65)
- stars are missiles that Allah uses to shoot demons who sneak into heaven ( surah 37:6-10; 67:5)
@@nadirahmed4224 and you were not able to defend anything he threw at you. Food for David Wood, food for Michael Brown, how many times do you have to get chewed up to see your cult is false?
Dang Nadir got destroyed, no wonder i couldn't find this on any muslim channel... how embarrassing 😳
so.. like what was this argument which destroyed me?
Jay, you have far more patience than I would have had.
Nadir ahmed is the most dishonest muslim apologist I ever heard.
Nadir like little child nags when he sees he is losing the argument !
Just as the Christian brother said about the mustard seed I fully agree, it was the smallest seed known to the people of Palestine and its surrounding areas thus Jesus (Yahshua) used this illustration as other with parables to help the people of that time understand what God (Yahweh) was saying
Muslim gets found out. Changes the topic
What?? Did you watch the debate even??
Jay is too knowledgeable than the Abdul, Jay should debate Allah....not Mohamedans 😁
Love the Muslim comedian.
Not the first in but at this point the first to comment. It is interesting to have another who knows Arabic cause a change in the way the narrative dance changes.
Jay what you eat, so much of patience, I would say you wasted our time by inviting someone who would never answer to your questions
Grown men arguing over stories. No different that children arguing over batman and spiderman. Except of course, the children know those heroes aren't real, and those heroes are actually moral.
This Nadir is the nadir of listening and debating ability..
I'm not going to waste my time on a discussion or debate with Nadir Ahmed anymore! He doesn't debate or discuss. he twists words in peoples mouth and lies for Islam unashamed. I have seen and heard him before. THAT'S ENOUGH1
Missing mustard seed is a scientific miracle of the quran 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah, wanna hear another one? The bible called the first of Egypt "pharaoh". The Quran didn't make this mistake.
Here is a third mistake which the Quran didn't make: Noah's Flood(1:14:13) mathematical and logical error.
What seeds did they plant that were smaller then?
🤣🤣🤣🤣can’t stop laughing at nadir🤣🤣🤣🤣
mustard seed, mustard seed, mustard seed, mustard seed - here we have 4 miracles done by Nadir in just 8 min
so funny,that s true
13:00 salt and sweet water DO mix, everybody knows that: it is called brakish water
Quran mentions in a specific situation not always
@@furqanshariff Specific situation like there is a land mass between them. It is miracle.
This guy nadir is a liar of the first order , he is a joker who just want to be on face time , he is a complete nonsense
It seems the past week, it is *now complete* - the *whole religion* of Islam has been 'decoded'. The information just needs to be put together. It is now know the real historic person Mohammad is based, the motives behind it, and most importantly the TIMES where and PLACES where these occurred thanks to the coins and Qibla direction.
That was a real rough watch our muslim friend...... is the quran that weak they have to hang onto poor bee info and mustard seeds 🤣🤣🤣🤣 wow oh holy wow, Jay, the host & the callers absoloutly smashed this guy.......... only reason he had many questions was because he answered none throughout and chatted continuous about honey m mustard 🤣🤣🤣 could make this shit up....... thanks for the constant gift and Jay smith is an incredible human ✨👏🏻✨👏🏻
so what was this great argument which was "smashing" me ?
There are several literary genres in the bible: stories, psalms, laws, epic, history ...
Everything is not to be taken literally.
It is the message presented that matters.
What if I say existence of Jesus shall not be taken literally
@@furqanshariff then you will be denying both the Bible and Quran
@@furqanshariff I say your statement is incorrect and History itself proves the existence of Jesus.
@@furqanshariff then take it out with the historians that talked about him
This is the same guy wanted to change the topic in the middle of the debate with DW lol on the surah 9:29
that video is a hoax, never did any such thing
@@nadirahmed4224 hoax 😂 😂 ... behave Nadir, the video is as clear as day...
Honestly mate you’re wasting your time on this scientific miracles debates, you’ve been schooled, dismantled and embarrassed every single time despite your chest pumping to the contrary...
The church has always had the authority to choose what to add to scripture for the benefit of the faithful whenever it feels like it. The Bible is from and for the Church, period! Great job...luv it!
Exactly. Christ was clear that He gave His Holy Spirit to HIs Church FOREVER (prophets and prophetesses). John 14:16-17
Have to say, I can understand Nadir's frustration with the debate moderation. The moderator became a participant and we had constant interruptions for callers. At any given point Nadir have several points backed up that he had to respond to from 3 different sources. And yes, sticking to the topic means talking about the Qur'an and not the Bible - but his very point was that the miracle IS that the qur'an didn't copy errors from the bible while having so many of the other details.
I say this without any pleasure because I find Nadir's points to be really quite silly and would have preferred for this notion of miracles in the qur'an to be comprehensively defeated in this video but the debate was a farce.
But quran did copy from Christian and Jewish texts. Infact Surah Kahf in Quran was stolen from a Syriac Christian legend called Sleeper of the cave. Even the claimed mention of Alexander the great in quran in the same surah Kahf are stolen from the Syriac version of a eulogistic account of Alexander’s conquests, The Deeds of Alexander by Callisthenes of Olynthus.
This is a very bad moderation. I will just comment on the moderator.
He should be un-bias, eventough he is a Christian.
The debate is between Jay & Nadir. He should not become one of the panel too.
This is not debate. This is bully.
Except when Muslims do it the rules magically change right? ;)
There are muslims who would be going crazy saying nadir destroys everyone he debates. And lets all applaud the moderator who kept a straight face all the way through
Funny the only single point nadir had was with the bees, and even then half of the things he said was wrong, bees eat fruits was correct that's one point he had against jay, and the honey stomach he had correct everything else sorry to say he got annihilated
Do honey bees eat fruit?
The short answer is yes. Honey bees, especially in a nectar dearth, find ripe fruit very much to their liking. They have been known to feast on plums, peaches, grapes, apples, figs, and pears. But the issue that causes all the disagreement among beekeepers is whether honey bees will actually drill a hole in a fruit or if they simply use pre-existing breaks in the skin created by a wasp, stink bug, beetle, bird, or some other creature.
I have followed long threads on BeeSource, GardenWeb, and some other forums containing heated debates on whether honey bees are even capable of breaking the skin of fruits. Some beekeepers have placed grapes in a hive, or smeared them with honey, only to find the grapes still intact once the honey was gone. One person found the grapes propolized to the frames.
Certainly honey bees like their fruit very ripe. Fruit is sweet when slightly overripe, but more important in the bee world, it emits a fragrance that the bees can find. With an odor to follow, it is easier for honey bees to pinpoint a source of food, especially one that doesn’t look like a flower. Along with the aroma, however, comes a disintegration of the skin. It certainly isn’t difficult to puncture an overripe peach or pear, although grapes can be trickier due to a tougher exterior.
www.honeybeesuite.com/do-honey-bees-eat-fruit/
Do Honey Bees Eat Fruit?- Information for those who don’t know!
Yes, honey bees do eat fruit
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The Qur'an doesn't say Honey comes from the Bees anus but from their belly's and this is a scientific fact, bees have two stomachs a regular stomach and a honey stomach.
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Mark 4:31 Jesus said the mustard seed is the smallest on Earth.
New International Version
It is like a mustard seed, which is the smallest of all seeds on earth.
The Parable of the Mustard Seed
30 Then He asked, “To what can we compare the kingdom of God? With what parable shall we present it? 31It is like a mustard seed, which is the smallest of all seeds sown upon the earth. 32 But after it is planted, it grows to be the largest of all garden plants and puts forth great branches, so that the birds of the air nest in its shade.”…
He explained it in the Video. You didnt watch it.
I would like to ask the Christians Jews and Atheists; Are you more knowledgeable in the Christians faith than all the Priests and church members in addition to the Jewish Rabbis who reverted to Islam over the years since the time of Mohammed PBUH? And more intellectual than all the professors and scientists who discovered the miracles of Quran and became Muslims?
Nadir is the world Muslim debater that is truly joke
A big big joke
I keep bees and have an orchard, Apple, plum, pear, grape vine, and blueberries. Have not seen bees on fruit....
Your bees are not Arabic bees, ha ha ha
February 21st what year?
I feel sorry for Nadir. It was 2 to 1. But then again, I wonder if even Zakir Nike would want to be on the same stage as him.
Nadir you are not fit to come tis debate . You don’t make any sense
Hahaha... this is painful to watch...Good job Jay.
I think Nadir is a fake Muslim who debates on purpose to embarrass Islam haha
Ahmed needs to debate James Snap.
ahmed needs to leave his silly cult as he will be free to use his mind again
Those who watched this video with open mind without keeping any hatred in their heart finally knows the truth about both books and which one is corrupted
There is no Corruption of the Quran. Because the Quran is pure Fiction.
It's not the word of the FATHER.
We are not Slaves of God. We are God's Children who have been led astray.
@Thunderous One "why would Satan need to corrupt such a blasphemous contemptible toxic book."
in other words, satan corrupted the koran
as per sura 53 aya 19-20
Black orchids are not planted in the ground rather above other than the ground like rotten wood. On the other hand, was black orchid in existent in Israel at the time or that the black orchid came later as a result of evolutionary process?
According to Nadir, his mother has Udders. An Udder is the name we give to the MAMMARY GLAND that develop near the groin, on primates like Humans whose mammary gland develop on the chest we call them breasts. The correct answer is that milk comes from the mammary gland of female animals. Udders/Breasts are pretty much synonyms here.
ok so how does the Quran contradict this?
Nadir: Is the Quran scientifically correct
Caller: Which Quran are you talking about?
Nadir: That question is off topic
I know Nadir is not a true Muslim because he has absolutely no issue being dishonest and has no moral or ethical conscience. This is a shame because he just makes Islam look stupid.
Well... if the Holy book fits...
I think that this was a bad format for a debate. 2 vs 1, , starting out by going off topic, cluttered by callers making it 3 vs 1 and interrupting the exchanges, unclear time management rules and also I have to say that focus went downhill quite fast away from important things to bee stomachs and currents. All in all it did not reflect well on anyone involved more due to the format than anything else.
I think its unreasonable to believe any miracles. There simply isnt any good evidence for it.
I am Arabian , and I am telling you in Quran mentioned as lowest land and it is called in Arabic ( ادنى الأرض ).
Hold on, were the ancient Israelites planting orchids? Why would Jesus say orchid when they wouldn't have a clue what it was?
Jesus Christ is coming be ready no time left
In Mark 4:30-31..the author used Greek word "γη". γη means land, earth. Which means Jesus Christ says to the crowd who do agriculture on that field as per there understanding which is the smaller seed on their land. My beloved Muslim brothers and sisters please realize the truth and peace be upon you and all over the world in name of the living God.
i believe all of you watching know that someone is beating around the bush and trying strengthen a wet thread.
for sure,naidr is getting destroyed everytime he s opening his mouth.....
@@karinesmith6510 When Jay debates Muslims tremble,
The God's of books destroy minds.
I want see you debate in speaker corner like Hamza, Mohammed hijab, hashim,shamsi
I will be impressed if you win please respond
If your talking about Jay, there is plenty of Videos out there of Speaker's Corner debating them.
@@shhiknopfler3912 no bro there is not if you have it send me the link
Like Kendrick said try harder.
🤔
👕👍 *It is a 'scientific miracle' those who believe Nadir!* 🤥
👖
For Nadir Anything the Quran say which is not in Bible is a miracle, soo all Quran miracle is based on Bible, so leaving Bible aside he can't defend his Quran. That's a miracle now
Hahaha bees eat fruit ask prophet Google what a joke
I am afraid Mr Nadir is the very person misleading the audience.. It appears that present day non native Arabic speaking muslims are coming up with their own interpretation of the Quran. How could that be? May you allow me to say that any debate with Honorable Nabir could be a waste of time. We are praying for Mr Nadir.
Its funny science does apply to miraracle but the title of the debate is scientific miracle!
Jay, your time was 90 % consumed by the agresive ego-full moderator! How could you agree to participate? It was disgraceful!
It's like DC vs Marvel
Jays fantastic Muslim teachers won't debate him or Sam or cp or David
sure im ready. But Sam and CP and Wood are running away from me
Nadir amad: quran is a miracle and it is not been eaten by a tame sheep...
Aishah said:
“The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed,
and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah
died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and
ate it.”
the purpose of the quran is not a mathematics, nor science, nor numerology....
Why to put the focus on those?
the primary goal of quran is to support Islamism and Caliphat.
Ohh Abdul if u didn't know its does not mean Miracle. If u didn't know that bee ate fruit or food means cos u r fool nadir
Dont debate this Nadir, its a waste of time. He doesnt listen, doesnt answer, only brings forward the things he has in his head and nothing more.
Qur'an verse about stoning the devils and the Christians not understanding this verse remember Allah said He uses allegorical stories as teachings in the Qur'an and real stories just like the Bible and Adam and Eve and the talking snake and the Magical Tree, So obviously the stoning of devils with shooting stars is an allegorical message about astrology and them predicting the future trying to steal information and Allah confuses them by shooting stars while they scramble to gather information and the 3 wise men used this shooting star to predict Jesus birth according to the Biblical manuscripts.
According to Arab traditions the astrologers use to gain information from the evil spirits and give it to the people and the pagans were accusing Muhammad of gaining information from the evil spirits and giving this information to the people.
Allah in His Wisdom understands mans taboos and fears so Allah informs the Arabs using an allegorical story saying no Allah guards this realm from the evil spirits with meteors some say flames of light to ward off evil spirits so his message is pure.
This same type of language is used in the Bible and Christians have no problem with these allegorical stories also in their Bible and don't question why God just didn't explain everything clearly and in reality instead of a talking snake and Dragons Unicorns and the Beast with multiple eyes.
Lapidating Devils with Meteors in the Age of Ignorance Among the Chaldeans who immigrated to Arabia, there were astronomers and magicians who taught Arabs astronomy and astrology, though there was some familiarity with Indian astronomy among the Arabs prior to that time. As time passed, Babylonian thought also influenced the Arab culture and belief system, and formed the foundation for the belief in the direct influence of the heavens and stars on human life. Arab sorcerers also added fuel to the fire, and after some time, sorcery became an essential part of the Arab astrological ideology in the Age of Ignorance (Zaydan 2011, 403).Arab sorcerers usually informed people of future occurrences, interpreted dreams, remedied maladies, and resolved conflicts among the commons.
There was a general belief that sorcerers were in contact with jinn, and managed to acquire heavenly information through these demons who could give ear to the heavens (Ali 2001,12:334). Ibn Abbas is quoted as saying, During the Age of Ignorance, there were some magicians who were accompanied by jinn.
Those jinn ascended to the heavens and listened to heavenly tidings.
Then, they descended to the earth and informed their companions of what they had heard. Sorcerers provided their audience with the collected tidings, which were either about the past or the future.
After Prophet Muhammad [s] was chosen as the prophetof Islam, jinn were banned from their previous doings and the heavens became protected against their spying.(Shami1993,108) Some figures of the Age of Ignorance, such as Awf ibn Jaza‘, Aws ibn Hajar, and Bishr ibn Abi Hazim,referred in their poems to shooting with stars.
They used to regard the fall of a star or a meteor as the sign of a grand man’s death or birth. There is a tradition, attributed to the Prophet (s), that he was once sitting among a group of his Companions when a falling meteor was suddenly seen in the sky. The Prophet (s) asked them: “What would you deem such a phenomenon in the Age of Ignorance?”
They answered: “O Messenger of Allah! Upon seeing such
88/ Religious Inquiriesa meteor, we would say that a king passed away or a great man was born” (Ali 2001, 12:336).The word “shihab” in Arabic originally refers to a flame of fire, and since a meteor appears like a flame of fire, this word was used to refer to it (Farahidi 1410 AH, 3:403; Ibn Manzur 1995, 1:509). The word was also used with the same meaning in the Arabic literature before and after Islam. For instance, Aswad Nahshili, a poet of the Age of Ignorance, said in one of his poems, “He threw up the spear, and then the spear continued to move as if it had been a burning meteor (shihab)” (Ibn Manzur 1995,15:204). This usage of “shihab” semantically conforms to the Quranic usage of the word.
You really need to read the full link to get the correct interpretation.
ri.urd.ac.ir/article_46557_60aa8bce08ad026d0be6ad7ee5afb54c.pdf
Another interpretation certain Arabs believe.
Qur’an says shooting stars are missiles for the Jinn?
Question
www.al-mawrid.org/index.php/questions/view/quran-says-shooting-stars-are-missiles-for-the-jinn
Does the Qur'an say that shooting stars are a way to scare away the Jinnat from heaven. If so is this abstract or is this literal. How do Muslims in today's scientific age explain this to a non Muslim?
Answer
By Mushafiq Sultan
Related verse of Surah Mulk and its English translation follows:
"We have adorned the lowest heaven with lamps and We have made them [these lamps] a means of bombardment on the devils." (67:05)
The verse does not mean that stars are pelted rather the obvious implication is the stars are used as the places for bombarding the devils. An analogy would better explain the usage. If, for example, someone says that the post will be made a torrent of bullets for the militants he obviously means that the place would be used to launch an effective assault on them. What kind of bombardment happens is not made known to us. It is possible that certain stars emit peculiar radiations that are dangerous for the devils among the Jinn, who have been created from a form of energy (fire; See 15:27). The Qur'an also informs us that extra measures were taken to guard the contents of the Holy Qur'an from any interpolation by the devils from among the jinn during its revelation period as has been variously referred to in the Holy Qur'an. (See for example: 15:18, 37:10, 72:9)
And we used to sit on places (high) therein to listen. Whoever listens now finds a flame in wait for him. (72:9)
In this and the other similar verses the word Shahab does not necessarily connote meteorites we are acquainted to. The Qur'an simply used the word 'Shahab' in its literal connotation meaning a mass of fire.
Hope this helps.
Bible example
For example, in Acts 2:17-21 Peter quotes Joel 2:28-32, describing “wonders in the heavens… The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood…” This is not to be taken literally.
Mark 13:25. This is not about an asteroid or a comet or a meteorite. Jesus is talking here about the events of the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 in apocalyptic terms which his Jewish hearers would definitely understand. They would not have taken the comment about the sun, the moon and the objects falling from the sky literally, but they would have assumed that this is “the Day of the Lord” when God comes in judgement, which is exactly what happened when Jerusalem was destroyed.
John Oakes
Christian Source:
evidenceforchristianity.org/what-is-the-meaning-of-the-stars-falling-from-the-sky-in-mark-1325-is-that-an-asteroid-or-a-meteorite/
Nadir you are exposed, so you don't even know Arabic, shame on you.
Nadir day by day becoming a joker
I would like those papers Jay... the scientific proofs and how to read the Bible.
First time seen a Muslim giving Tough time to someone soooo Smoothly .
What are you talking about??!! He is either a functional illiterate like his false prophet or a deceiver like his false god!!! He distorted the Holy Bible over and over and over again!!! There is no such thing as a virginity test! The passage is about bringing evidence to court for the newly wed wife to defend herself with against a false accusation! It is solid proof that the husband falsely accused her! The testimony of the husband would be proven to be a lie easily husband
He is distorting a good thing into a bad thing! The passage is not about the newly wed wife proving to be a virgin on her wedding night!
NADIR Ahmad he is very funny very Irritating men BIG liye
Nabir Ahmad is so desperate I feel sorry for his and his gesture shame on you
In every debate so far, Nadir only wants to run from all questions. When he is called out on this he tends to laugh as though that is acceptable and states “oh I am being bombarded by so many questions, I didn’t come prepared for all theses different things that you have thrown at me.” He is clearly practicing for a marathon. Pitiful man, totally ignorant to what modern science has revealed, but nadir wants to live under a 14th century rock.🤦🏾♀️
Nadir 😂😂😂😂😅
so logichal thinking of Nadir is repeat if your wrong,,, ,again and again ,,,,i get why he believes in the Koran living the illusion ,, and the lie so sorry to see that,, there is no hope for the Muslim ,,, ,
Put some watermelon near honey bee and see what happened.hahaha bee also love short cut
Sad. Another flood.
Nadir you answered questions very patiently and with a proper logic.
Try see like what mansur speaker coner xplain this ayat
obvious that this guy Nadir is doing a job that he hates and he is making a joke of himself. His job must pay well. you see how nervous he gets but he must find a way to dance around the truth
This debate looks one side because when Jay is speaking the Eddy is on Jay’s side but when our brother speak then Eddy greedily stop and says there is someone calling.This is one sided .please be fair .
Jay clearly lost. bro nadir has to debate jay and the host. what the he type of unfairness is this
Nadir Ahmed did a fantastic job, and he explained himself clearly and with great courtesy. Glad you all hosted this debate
Nadir is correct Masha Allah