Can Apple Watch Ultra replace a Garmin now?
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- Опубликовано: 22 сен 2022
- Apple Watch Ultra and the Apple Watch 8 - Are they good enough to replace the Garmin Fenix now?
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Just a quick summary of how the watch FEELS - a look at it in "action" coming soon!
For the in action vid, be interesting to cover off the obsolescence thing. Realistically you're gonna get 2-3 years out of it before the battery gives up, the OS gets slow, or it just falls apart.
Also keen to see if you get the metrics you want out of the watch, compared to Garmin connect. And is it even worth it - if there’s no Body Battery function??
@@duncanhamilton5841 my Series 5 lost 19% of its original battery capacity over three years and roughly 1100 charge cycles. I’m expecting the cycle count to halve with the Ultra and WatchOS 9 has similar battery preserving charging management to iOS. Apple replace Apple Watch batteries (£105 for the Ultra). Since the Series 3 none of my Apple Watches have slowed significantly. WatchOS is much more carefully managed than even iOS and while the device does a lot more onboard processing than the S0 they still offload as much as possible to a connected iPhone or the cloud. Overall Apple have been pretty good about obsolescence with the Watch. The bands I bought for my S0 in 2015 still fit my Ultra.
@@roddenshaw that's actually better than I was expecting. FWIW, I dropped smartwatches a few years ago - G-Shock for workouts, with Polar ECG strap if I want to track my HR. The rest of smartwatch functionality I just don't want or need.
@@duncanhamilton5841 I find it incredibly useful, which is why I’ve stuck with the Apple Watch even though it occasionally gives me the watch equivalent of range anxiety. The Ultra seems to be like a Tesla in that regard. Yes a good diesel will get 2-3x the range of a Model 3 but >250 miles would be more than enough for me. Same deal with the Ultra. Charging it every 2-3 days is fine. But if I found that a hassle or was regularly away from power for longer than that I’d have a Fenix on my wrist.
I’m not sat on the couch at 8am watching Mark Lewis vids in anticipation of an epic Apple Watch rant, you are.
You are the first - you win, nothing....but have a thumbs up 👍
I just got an Epix 2 from a Fenix 5X. I love the size on my wrist for not taking off and sleeping. Fenix was a bit heavy and thick. But I also have a apple watch and love it in a different ways. But Garmins just give so much better feedback on recovery and nice to not stress about charging as much.
A lot of good points Mark. I agree that apple has come closer to making their excellent smart watch more like a sports watch, at least enough for me to jump ship from Garmin. They have a ways to go, but with cell connectivity and all that implies, I purchased the Ultra. This will be my first Apple watch since the 3rd generation. It is nice to be able to leave my iphone home every now and then, the Ultra will allow that.
You nailed it with the statement “the ultra is much closer to a sports watch than the Garmin is to a telephone”.
I’m also a big Apple fanboy with everything Apple and there’s no way I’m going away from it. It does have some inconvenience and it’s not perfect. But they’re improving noticeably every year…. Great funny video I had a blast watching it
Sums up exactly how I feel about the Ultra after wearing it for a day now. Your thought process and reasons why you would wear one mirror mine. Definitely not replacing my Fenix entirely, but I feel like now at least Apple has made something I can use for a lot of my normal daily wear and training. Spot on about the “ruggedness” comparison. I could literally care less about what happens to my Garmin as it’s been bashed about in all the things I do with it, the Ultra is definitely better than previous models but I definitely don’t have the same faith in it’s ability to “take a licking and keep on ticking” to use the old Timex slogan.
Couldn’t care less
Yep. My thoughts exactly.
The Garmin Sapphire + DLC titanium models are near bullet proof. I have a bunch the non coated titanium of the Apple Watch Ultra won’t be able to stand up to the same level of abuse.
Great review, only a year ago I started wearing a watch full stop and it was an apple, at first I thought it was fragile but now I don’t give it a second thought. Construction, fire fighting, running. It’s just there and hasn’t suffered any damage. My wife just bought the ultra but I plan to make it mine!
Nice purchasing tactic 😁
Excellent review - just the right amount of info without rambling on, plus you gave your opinions without bashing either product. Nice!
You had me on “I don’t even know what a nit is”. I must have watched twenty Apple Watch ultra reviews and you’re the first person to actually say this. Thank you!
Excellent initial review! Thanks for sharing!
Finally Mark said what every other sporttech blogger skipped through. No one would ever wear Apple Watch for ultra
Great review and deadpan jokes. Very useful. So I decided to shell out 15 quid and got a Casio with 100m water resist and 10-year battery life. I can time my heart rate with it by putting my fingers on my pulse and look at the timer. Has an interval timer, stopwatch and normal timer with 5 alarms. Also has a very nice luminous backlight. Great for running and swimming and even works in a sauna.
High morale man
I just bought a Fenix 6X and it’s very cool. It feels like a proper piece of equipment. I also love apple stuff but I don’t think they are quite understanding the market when it comes to multi sport watches. They will probably get there soon enough however.
Haven’t put my Apple Watch on since I got my Fenix. No comparison in my opinion plus I only charge my Garmin every 2 weeks
hi Mark perfect review. I have been using AW 6 for two years. I like answering calls. I didn't enjoy answering messages from the watch and tapping something on the small display, And several times it happened that the battery died and I was left with only a weight on my wrist. I switched to fenix7 TS (swimming, cycling, running) outdoors and indoors. I love the data the Garmin gives me. I only use AW as a music player (Apple music) during sports. Love the flashlight on the F7 by the way.
I love your straightforward honest style. So concise with your explanation. Also, you’re incredibly articulate. Love your content. Hope to see that
Loved your take into this, a real life down to earth review. Thanks
recently got the forerunner 255s and love it, wear it almost all the time
Always good when Mark uploads a video.
Always entertaining, and helpfully informative.
For us near mortals I feel the AW Ultra, or the iPhone Nano if you prefer, is finally good enough. I have been using the fénix line since the 3 was released and finally found something that I can use for my day to day activities. I am still going to keep my F7x on standby especially for hikes and triathlons (sprints for me).
Being an AW user forever, I recently went with a Garmin as I need the training readiness analytics (not a runner), and got tired of charging ALL the time with sleep tracking. When they get that right, I am back. Taking off just with an AW6 cellular is awesome freedom … until it dies.
Man I have to say I’m shocked at how much I love this watch. Looking forward to watching this!
Hey Mark, great vid thanks. Probably the best unbiased review/real-world summary out there...like you I'm a longtime Garmin user simply because they do sports better than anybody, but I also always have an AW on hand because it's quite a spectacular piece of kit in its own right, just not so much for hardcore fitness. Am testing the Ultra this weekend and will take it on my bike ride later today to compare its data (as dictated by Workoutdoors) compared to my Garmin 830 and Fenix 5 as I have concerns that not all metrics carry over when synced back to Garmin Connect via Rungap. If they do, that could be an interesting turning point as far as using AW as a viable Garmin alternative. I'll always have both mind you, but it would be cool to know that both are equally up to the task of authoring my data. Having tried out an Epix2 a couple of times I have to agree that Apple currently seems to be leading the crossover race over Garmin: for the $$$$$$ I feel you get more value out of the Ultra than the Epix, even tho at heart I'm more of a Garmin guy. Cheers
What a brilliant analysis! Thank you
Not a mega athlete at all, but I absolutely love your videos and the humor you infuse in them. Great stuff man, keep it up!
Appreciate your perspective on "actual" experiences and use cases with less worry from battery anxiety. Spot on references and Humor 👍
Thank.you for this amazing review. Just your honest view reflected on real situations. No BS what it may be able to do in half a year, or how great functionality it has when you include everything from the appstore. Just reviewed as it is out of the box. And agree, titanium is in fact very vulnerable to scratching without a dlc coating. So not really robust, only good looking and lightweight. You are the best!
nailed the review and sums up perfectly why I struggle with the Apple Watch. I’ll stick with my Garmin Epix gen 2 thanks
I used the WorkOutDoors app on my applewatch S3 then S6 before I finally dipped my toes into the world of Garmin and realised what I was missing. WorkOutDoors did make the apple watch... bearable. However, once I got my forerunner... the apple watch went on the other wrist and I'm now a two-watch wanker.
I can't quite see what you can miss with WorkOutDoors regarding running metrics during a run. You can pair every sensor that you want (yes i know, ANT+, there plenty of bluetooth ones out there) IF you want to go deeper in the metrics. But even the base app provides every thing a runner needs. Garmin just wraps all up with algorithm to tell you when to rest and when to run, but nobody serious about the sport follows these "advices"
Haha me too when i need to be connected. But only on a workout. In regular life just the garmin and my phone. Live the looks of my epix 2 and all the information on recovery.
I got the apple watch series 4 and I've ordered the apple watch ultra, but I'd be open to switch to Garmin because of the battery life. Which of their watches is the one that can do what the apple watch can? Being able to receive calls from my iphone, getting messages, streaming music and podcasts etc.? Thanks!
@@walrus-splice-renewable first of all the garmin battery is superior n amongst the other things as well.
@@walrus-splice-renewable Venu 2 plus you can answer calls and use siri but none are really going to have the apps like an apple watch. Garmin is more athlete focus on feedback, recovery, and battery life.
This review is amazing! Thank you for it! I just subscribed!
I 100% agree with a lot of what you're saying Mark. I love my Garmin Epix 2 and have had every model of Fenix since they were first released. But, for the same reasons you have mentioned, I've had a number of Apple Watches also.
Whilst I'm not in the same category of endurance athlete that you are, I chose to purchase the Ultra and I absolutely love it when paired with the Workoutdoors app. Also have a look at the Healthfit app for workout analysis and syncing of your AW health data to/ from other platforms...it's excellent.
I found with the Garmin Epix, if I plugged it in to charge every time I jumped in the shower, the battery would stay >90% and I could wear it pretty much 24/7. I've been using the same method with the ultra for the last couple of days and I have found the same so it's working for me so far.
I've heard a lot of people compare the battery life of the Fenix vs the Ultra but I recall some analysis from Strava data showing the typical Garmin Fenix user does an average run of 35mins, cycle of around 90mins. Less than 4% of Fenix owners did triathlons and of those that did, less than 0.2% did a half Ironman or longer. Taken like this, Apple can capture a huge swathe of current Fenix users. The one thing to remember though is that those who buy an AW will also need to be iPhone users, whereas Garmin work with all phone ecosystems. This will limit Apple's reach in this space. As with anything Apple does, they are not aiming to have the greatest market share, just the bulk of the profits.
The one area where I am struggling to replace the Garmin is the smart trainer integration with ANT+. I see the new Kickr bike and trainer have bluetooth FTMS support so it's only a matter of time before the AW supports this also.
Make no mistake, this AW is a big deal and Apple has a lot of sway in every tech industry. I can see them leading the direction in some key areas, particularly Bluetooth accessory adoption such as power meters, cadence sensors and smart trainer integration.
I sold my Enduro 2 for the Ultra, because I am going 90% to the gym and enjoying the „smart“ options
Awesome no nonsense insights as always!
I’ve recently gone back to Apple Watch as a daily watch due to the more advanced heart features etc, I wear both 6X pro (main activity watch) and series 7 on a run, more so just see which one captures the most accurate gps coverage. Last Sundays 14 miler apple came up trumps over Swinley as Garmin fell behind by 0.2 miles prob the trees, or alien ships who knows, but other weeks Garmin generally comes out on top.
Apple are going in the right direction to becoming a “sport watch”. Apple Watch gets charged daily at the moment before bed, Garmin however charged it last Saturday cause it was on 10% but can’t remember when last charged it before then 🙈
I’m very tempted by the ultra just because I’m a bit of an apple geek as well 🤣
Nice video. I decided on the AW S8. I could not justify an extra $400 for a watch that has essentially the same internals and has additional features which I do not need or could live without. I run half marathons, swim and bike and the S8 does everything that I need.
Excellent judgement and historic analogy Mark! - a watch is much more an emotion you wrap around your arm than it is a piece of technology (I say that as a mechanical engineer). For me the best proof is the Rolex Submariner for which a lot of people spend more than 10k and have NEVER the intention to go scuba diving. Conclusion for me: keep the Fenix 7X and buying the Ultra 😃 (will arrive on Monday)
Agree, I've sat in plenty of meetings with people wearing Subs and IWC Big Pilots and breitling emergencies - all on people that look like they would have a heart attack taking the stairs let alone scuba-diving, flying jets or climbing mountains 😁 😁 😁
@@MarkLewisfitness LOL Very True. It's about the STATUS. lol
I like the simple life. Mark Lewis posts a video, I click. Easy.
Honestly, this is the best review of AWU I’ve watched. Appreciate your honest appraisal (despite potential sway of Apple’s slick marketing). I’ll stick w my Coros, thank you very much.
Literally couldn't agree more with this! I stuck my apple watch in a Speigen case and it gave it a G shock vibe . But my fenix is a whole different animal.
Thanks for mentionning Workoutdoors, you are one of the very few reviewer who talks about it, closing the gap with Garmin and other running watches. I can't see why people still make reviews of an apple watch without installing this app that costs 5.99 and gives you so much in return.
It solves all the little complaints that you can have when you try to workout with the base app.
The real "problem" for me is that a Series 5/6/7/8 is SO good with this app for a regular / average / above average runner that it is hard to justify switching to the Ultra for the price 😀
The app is superb - Apple should be embarrassed that you need to buy it. But it is super annoying that you can't program the ultra action button to open it or even work as I start/stop button. On the start line of a park run, I don't want to be having to look at the screen to start the thing!
Excellent evaluation.
100% agree on the comment about women preferring a smaller version of this watch! I’m a man but I imagine having this on my tiny wrist it would look ridiculous. Watching the keynote I was so so excited to see this watch. Love the design, features and everything just the size of the thing put me off instantly sucks because this is the first apple product in years I’ve actually been excited for. Defiantly won’t be buying due to the size however if they make a smaller one in the future with a smaller battery as to be expected I’ll defiantly buy!
i almost got one, it just wasn't gonna cut it on the battery and mapping to a level similar to Garmin. I feel it's more an aspirational watch. For those that want to look like they climb or dive but don't. That said it is pretty. I think maybe around a version 3 Ultra will be where it needs to be with battery and maps etc. Great video too. thx
I traded my Epix for the AWU. The thing I miss most about the Epix is the native mapping. The maps on the Epix were so good, they just worked well and looked super refined on the AMOLED display. To me, that's the biggest drawback on the AWU.
Great review Mark. I switched from a series 5 Apple Watch to a Garmin Epix 2 for most of the reasons you’ve noted here. And like you, I’ve got a full Apple ecosystem and the Watch integration and ability to make calls and send texts is the only thing I miss. But even those things are just minor annoyances when I can look at my Garmin when there is 10% battery left and not freak out that it’s going to die within the hour - and get 2 more days of use out of it.
Me too. I moved from a Series 5 to a Forerunner 955 about 6 weeks ago, and the extra battery life is a total game-changer. I originally got an Apple Watch S3 pre-Covid for the phone connectivity - it was helpful for email reminders and calendar checking when going from meeting to meeting. But in the post-Covid WFH world that connectivity has a lot less value to me, and the extra battery life (I find about a week of normal use for the Forerunner 955) has meant that I use it 24/7 rather then having to charge every night - and still have it run low on a heavy training day. The extra life of the Ultra would get rid of the daily range anxiety, but in practice it still means a daily charge.
Epix 2 all the way.
Totally agree about the size. I’d been watching the RUclips early reviews and was expecting it to be huge, when it arrived it just looked like a very slightly larger Apple Watch! It almost feels tiny to wear compared to my 6X Pro! Do love my Garmin for many reasons, but for every day use, and for anything but the longest of runs (where I would need nav) I’ll be wearing the Ultra from now on as it’s just got so much more day-to-day convenient functionality. Will definitely miss not having to go near a charger for 2 weeks though!
As a non iPhone user, could you point out some smart things the AW does that a Garmin doesn't do? I'm genuinely curious to hear what these features are...
@@savagedriver1967 As a longtime Fenix user and current "Epix 2 guy" I would say outside of specific things like Siri and phone calls on the watch, its less what extra features it has then how it implements them. For example, I get text notifications on my Epix just like the AW, but the look and feel how easy is it to read, how it looks on the watch and how you interact or use it is just WAY more refined than on an Fenix/Epix. For me it has always come down to, Do I want a great sport watch that has some limited smart watch features, or do I want a Smart watch that has limited sports watch features. Since the Fenix 3 I have always come down on the sports watch side. The new AWU is making me think about it. I run a lot, but not ultras. I run triathlon, but olympic, not ironman, I bike but its 100K to 100 mile, not more. So for me, do the daily smart watch features outweigh the few tri's a year that are really going to push a watch? I'm not sure, but the ultra is at least in the discussion now. The AW never was before.
@@JamieVoto Have you come to a conclusion? I just can't decide, been a long time AW user (went with the series 5 for almost 4 years now and it's time for an upgrade). I'm training a lot, but more CrossFit/Hyrox Style with Running implemented on other days and the fact that the workouts on the AW are quite customizable since the latest update makes the AW even more appealing. The only thing which makes me want a Garmin (Fenix 7 or epix 2) is the battery life. Other than that, I won't be using features like body battery and such because it probably doesn't fit my training plan anyway.
Plus the AWU looks better, but that's obviously a subjective perspective. helpppp
@@lululx3760 I will say I have made the switch to AWU for now and sold my Epix2. It takes a few third party apps such as Athlytic and/or Workoutdoors to get everything I want but I think I'm mostly there. What I personally found is that outside of the 2-3 races (either Tri's or obstacle course) races a year where I think the Epix might be better, everything else covering 95% of my year felt as good or better on the AWU. To be clear, i dont run marathons, halfs are my longest runs. When I run a Tri its an Olympic or Sprint distance, not Full ironman. If you are doing marathons or ironman tri's, and training for those, get an Epix or a Fenix. What wont change your mind is battery life. This (AWU) is a 1.5 to 2.5 day battery watch under my training load, but charging is FAST. If you want an OLED screen with 5-6 days of always on or 10-12 days when the screen turns off tthe AWU isnt for you. If you can find 45 min every 2-3 days to charge while your awake, you can get what you need sports wise, be happier smartwatch wise and have a good looking watch.
Been so tempted to pick one of these up, this has given me a lot of food for thought, great review Mark! Nice to see a fellow Reading resident (well, Caversham for me) 😁
I swapped my Garmin Epix Gen 2 for the AWU. It pained me because the Epix was AMAZING and beautiful. But it offered too much that I didn't utilize and I missed all that I came to utilize with Apple Watches. I'm not a super athlete and I don't sleep track, just a casual outdoors enthusiast, the AWU was the right choice for me.
Love all the vids.. and I wonder is your ramble pre written or off the cuff, hoping off the cuff it’s very entertaining 🙌🏼
As I say to everyone who asks this .... Is your favourite movie scripted, your favourite song written down in advance, does the funniest Stand Up begin with pen and paper??? Yes, it's scripted and re-written over and over till it's right....and THAT's why you like it 😁. If it was off the cuff, it would suck 😁
Thanks for an honest video! I own the Epix gen 2 and now the Apple Ultra. I love the Epix and always appreciated the longer battery life, maps and the breakdown of information on the connect app. Though the one thing that has always bugged me is not being able to answer calls and directly reply to texts if your an apple user…. I know it’s not Garmin’s fault. Based on my current usage with the Ultra always on display turned off..no need to have it on if your arms are at your side, I am using approximately 30% of the battery every 24hrs, so I should easily be averaging a little over 3days of battery life with the Ultra which is a good step forward for apple! It’s probably enough for me to use/wear the Ultra more. Battery life had always been the sticking point for me and I suspect for many outdoor enthusiasts. I do hike, and trail run only for the day so needing a watch that lasts weeks is not a make or break issue. From my standpoint I just wanted apple to make a watch that could last at minimum 3days on a charge and this might be the turning point for me that I go back to Apple, especially since I am in the Apple ecosystem.
Brilliant, love this analysis of the watch, I have the ultra on order but not giving up on my garmin fenix 7x ss. I see the Apple Watch as my go to work and indoor workout watch and garmin for outdoor training as it has all the connectivity options I need. And yeah when going up against Predator, garmin will have to “stick around” 😂 I will check out workoutdoors app though. Thanks for the tip.
Thank you really interesting 🙏🏻
Like it! The video, not the watch all that much.
Im a huge Apple Fan boy as well, but a smart watch should not require me to be that smart. Nice to not worry anout daily charging the thing! Thanks Mark!
Love it thanks Mark I've been tossing up between upgrading from the Apple watch S4 to a fenix 7 or the ultra myself. Still honestly on the fence sadly.
Get the 7. It’s brilliant.
Great review - no ‘is this a quiet promo pretending to be a review’ fears in this channel! I’d love to go for a Apple Watch, but I can’t get past how good the Garmin is at what it does. I’m only 5’9” and 72kg so rugged looks don’t bother me too much, but the fact that the Garmin can be navigated in heavy rain, covered in mud, and won’t run out of battery is too difficult to get past!
So funny, thanks Mark
Great review. Insightful, honest and clear. I really like the format and variety of topics. My Fitbit has served me well but I crave more stats/features. I won’t be buying an Apple Watch because I don’t sit in enough coffee shops but neither will I buy a G shock as I’m put- off by 50 year old ex SEAL’s sending me photos at 04:30 telling me to “GET TO IT” Only thing I’m getting to at that time is letting the bloody dog out and having a “Jimmy”….Garmin it is.
I had an apple watch and went back to android so i use a galaxy watch. I love the watch but i run ultras and it barely gets through a 50k. I wasnt sure what garmin i would need so i got an instinct 2. I figured it would get me introduced to the garmin world without a huge investment. I love it. I did a race that took 9:40:00 and it was about half battery. I feel guilty not wearing my galaxy watch. I imagine if i had a fenix or better version there would be no reason to have anything else. Until you mentioned a data plan on the watch. I never really though of that but it would be pretty amazing to have cell service on your wrist.
Thanks for the review now I know about your channel.
You have right the issue is the battery. Yes it is borderline ok now. But it is not nice (or above average ok, LoL). Yes I will buy it because I need to be able to receive calls while I am out training or racing (due to the nature of my work). But in fact I would love to have a real 3 day battery (more the better of course). Solar top up (garmin???) might be a solution or an new chip. Training and racing functionality is not a real issue due to the third parties apps. However, I have not noticed in all of the reviews a thing that I would love (I might be a very picky consumer, or I just a lazy one who did not read the manual). I would love to hide or remove a large number of the native apps or just to hide the in a folder…
XD thank you for that “Sike” in the intro. That was perfect 👌
I just got the Ultra. I’m finding it uses about 40% battery capacity per day without tracking any exercise but otherwise normal use (using Siri a lot, taking a call, screen always on, etc). I just did an Olympic distance triathlon and the watch consumed about 18% battery capacity. I think you would be absolutely fine to charge the watch, travel, stay overnight, do the Hyrox and go home even without turning on low power mode. Apple are usually conservative with battery life figures.
Are you using the standard Apple workout app? I’m using WorkOutDoors-a huge improvement.
Absolutely bang on with the Garmin battery life and I think for most people the smartwatch features the Garmin offers are more than enough. You just never have to worry about the Garmin being charged, because it will be.
yeah, I agree.. I have the tactic 7 and the looks are a big deal too.. the screen isn't as pretty, but once you understand the battery and sunlight performance, they made the right choice. Def happy with my purchase
Yeah great review Mark , very honest outlook . The flaws you earmarked are exactly the reasons im sticking to Garmin :)
I loved this video so many laughs 😂. I use the series 8 and it works for me really want longer battery life …sometimes I have to wait for the watch to charge before going for a run. It does chg really fast
Dare I say, the best review yet? Yup!
WOD is great! It’s only Achilles heel is no AOD, but the developer is very active on the AW forum and says it is coming, I need it for open water swimming for which the Apple Watch excels
The WorkOutdoors app definitely makes the Apple Watch more viable. The maps are amazing. I’d have probably moved to Garmin if not for this app. The app has a 4 tap shortcut to lock the screen, which is worth remembering especially when running in the rain.
I’m happy enough with the SE cellular, I had power to spare following a 7 hour bike ride this week, although the battery life drops dramatically if you stream music over cellular.
My ideal setup for runs is the watch, no phone and shokz headphones with music previously downloaded to Spotify on the watch.
It’s just annoying there is no simple stop for an activity. Having to push and hold and bring up the screen that lets you press stop is a bit long winded at the end of a fast race.
@@MarkLewisfitness the developer is very responsive on Reddit and said he was working on some changes to the app following the introduction of the ultra, so maybe the action button will be used at some point
This was a great video…I’m curious how do you manage all your data using Apple and Garmin ? Do you use Health and Garmin Connect separately or do you havre a way to merge the data and use one repository for the data ? I’m also in both ecosystems and trying to find the best way to manage it…… thanks
I'm not an ultra marathoner type, also not a frappuccino type, but I've been getting quite a lot of enjoyment out of my Ultra. It definitely looks better to me than their other standard watches, but I don't really care about looks all that much, especially for what I use it for. I wouldn't take it out for a nice date, but for day to day use it really is convenient and it handles all my fitness needs, especially with WorkOutdoors and Strava - which I agree with you there, Apple's Fitness app is... meh. I'm sure it works well enough for a majority of people, but it does lack some key features.
I am totally addicted to closing rings though, they basically gamified fitness and it really does help to keep me motivated. There have been plenty of days where I look down and see my move ring still open, and knowing that I'll break my streak is enough to get me up and going.
I actually like the understated look - I don't feel the need to "dress up" like I'm doing UTMB when I've only gone out for a 2 hour run (or doing intervals or whatever) - as long as it has the mapping (and battery life!) for the bigger stuff when needed.
Combine Workoutdoors and RunGo (they can indeed run at the same time) and then you can also get voice directions too- this is a sick way of running a new route. No idea about the Garmin as have never had the pleasure of trying.
Still need that watch collection video (love that Seiko)
I’ve never looked back on switching to a Garmin from an Apple Watch simply due to battery life. It’s so nice not having to charge it every couple days
Garmin has a LTE version of the FR945. If you want a garmin you can make calls from. (Ijust ordered the Apple Watch Ultra) my concern is gps accuracy under tree cover (trails in dense trees) vs my Garmin FR935. My longest distances is 50k-50mi races so going to give the ultra a try.
I have an Watch Ultra and I love it!
On the charging pattern, I charge my iPhone X🅂 every evening. So I do the same every evening before sleeping. Easier to remember instead of charging every 2 days.
The Watch Ultra was the Watch I’ve been waiting for since 2015…
I love my Garmin Venu 2! ❤️
Genuine review mate. For someone like me who does an hour run everyday in the morning, comes back , keep it for charging, go for shower and wear it before going to work- My Apple Watch works for me. Exactly for reasons you mentioned (able to call, text, pay without having to carry my phone while out for run), I will stick with AW SE. I also run with Garmin Forerunner 255 on my right wrist though 😂. Can’t wait to see detailed review, Mark. Ta mate.
Do you just stick with the Garmin analytics, or do you push workouts to another service like TrainingPeaks or Strava? I’m a little nutty about not having all my stats in the same place. I run with the Apple Watch and log other fitness activities on occasion, but I just can’t deal with the fitness and health apps.
@@jacob.williams Was that for me? I import my AW activities to STRAVA. As they say- If it’s not on STRAVA , you didn’t do it ;) ;) STRAVA gives more details, trends and support from community etc so I import them to STRAVA. I also compete with family and friends via native activity app on the Apple Watch. But I thought Apple Activity app is not that detailed (Still on WatchOS8. Not sure what WatchOS9 brings to the table).
I have resisted Strava for years - but do you think it becomes almost essential with the Apple Watch to collate everything somewhere useful.
I appreciate the features of the smart watch that Apple offers but Garmin clearly is the one to use during sports. I too, am quite anal about seeing all data at one location. I feel Apple fitness doesn’t give much feedback on how our training goes versus Garmin.
Garmin provides lots of feedback - body battery score, recovery when wire almost 24/7 but Apple rings feature is certainly tempting as well.
Still deciding but likely is Apple for daily wear and Garmin for sports.
@@MarkLewisfitness Thanks for this review. Truly one of the best out there. I still want the damn thing though I know it won’t serve me much better than my Series 6.
I had a lot of trouble with Apple syncing Garmin Connect workouts twice (sometimes three times- pretty much whenever I opened the app.) So I stopped paying attention to Apple Health/Fitness stats for quite a while. It works done now.
I recently started importing Apple Watch workouts into Strava and just realized TrainingPeaks supports sync, too (of course they do! )
Love the Seiko “Arnie “ class watch
Seiko re-releasing it and calling it (un officially) the arnie was a genius move on their part.
God honest truth right there in the first minute! Sir you deserve my subscription!
loved the intro ahahaha 🤣
I have been using the Work Out Doors app on my 7 for about 6 months now and it's a game changer. I have a web page I make my own GPX files and download them before my run. Having the ability to customize all your screens with thousands of stats is way too cool. I love my 7 for running. I have done 8 hour runs in it (with my phone that I would take anyways) and it only used 10% of the battery (you just have to put it into cinema mode so the screen stays off when you are not looking at it. I couldn't love it more.
But isn’t it annoying that there is no simple start button. Simply opening the app kicks things off. Same with stop, I just want one simple button to start and stop!
@@MarkLewisfitness YES!! It's funny you bring that up as it's a big pain! Even choosing which route you want is a pain and then the start stop sucks. Especially the stop. Depending on what screen it's on it won't activate sometimes when you hold it down etc. When I do time trials (like a 5K speed run for a PR) I still use the old regular Apple app as it's....just better for that. I have no solution to that one....I just learned to live with it:(
And now that you have me roweled up on this, it sucks so bad that when I'm in a race (like an ultra marathon for example) I actually start the watch a few minutes early so I don't have to deal with all that nonsense when the gun goes off. One wrong press and everything just goes wrong and then you're dealing with "all that" for the first half a KM of the race. So now that you mention it that really does suck LOL. That is the one thing I hate about the app:)
@@MarkLewisfitness The WorkOutDoors developer says he is programming the Action Button so it can be used to start and stop the recording
@@JesseStarrPhoto that’s great news this is exactly what we are looking for - launching and stopping an activity with one single button (no touch screen or countdown).
Waiting for your next vid. Hope it includes stats that are important to you ...are they present or not on the Apple Watch? Not too hot on having "another" phone screen near me ...
I did my first full Ironman this year with a series 6👍🏼👍🏼 just had to charge it for an hour on the bike section. With a power bank, so lost 1hr of heart rate data.
Does the screen stay awake and it doesn’t lock when you are wearing it on top of your sleeve? During cold days that is a must.
Ticwatch pro ultra 3 is my watch... Seems to be a good middle ground between Garmin and apple
Hi can you set alerts when swimming like a vibration say every 20 lengths?
Ticked enough boxes! Off to the Apple store I go
Great video, Mark. Which watch are you wearing in the video (not the Apple Watch)?
Seiko SNJ025P1
The only review that actually says the important parts.
I have loved Garmin for years. They are great. But I always come back to Apple because of Workoutdoors and cellular. For me at least the Apple Watch gives more accurate data samples and allows me to have one less thing in my pocket.
But as you point out they aren’t inspiring to look at. Garmins are. Looks play a bigger role in inspiration than most people would care to admit.
Hello there! Have you seen a large difference between the Apple Watch series 8 and the Apple Watch Ultra with GPS? Or you can use the Work Outdoors App with the 8 & it would be the same? Not sure what’s the difference between the two if you can use the workoutdoors app?
I haven't discovered the Apple Watch for myself yet. I've been using Garmin watches for years. Fenix 3 HR, Fenix 5 plus, Fenix 7x sapphire solar. I never missed features. For everything else I use my smartphone. I don't need a smartphone on my arm, but a watch that you don't have to take care of every day like a pet.
Fair enough review overall but I think I need to point out that you described a few features you like on the Apple watch that you inferred are not on the Garmin, like music, paying for stuff, getting notifications, but they are. You could today be swiping through that SMS from the lounge during downtime on your Garmin provided it is in range of your phone. Yes it's true the Garmin does not have LTE so does not operate as a phone but it has had all those other "smartwatch features" for a long time. Just saying :)
But it is all very one way - I can't reply to a text, or a message or take a call. I agree it has some functionality, but it is a fraction of the Apple.
I did wonder about the watches when I saw a bond nato strap in a video a while back. 😄
Did you get your glasses back? Had a quick look today and they didn’t seem to be in the fountain any more.
Ah... Sat morning, new Lewis vid. Comparing Garmin to Apple? There better be a Schwarzenegger or Stallone ref somewhere in this.
Mark, great review. While Apple makes some good things, I think many people make excuses for some of the other products they make because they love their phones or Mac Books. Garmin makes a better kit than Apple for this scenario.
Workoutdoors App is great, & has better STRAVA integration 👍👍. But its still the COROS VERTIX for me on ULTRA runs. Happy with my Apple Watch 7 Stainless Steal for day to day, but that cost almost as much as the new Ultra, so hmmm 🤔
Got mine yesterday afternoon, having been on the verge of switching to garmin, been caught in the Apple eco system I was backwards and forwards, then the ultra was announced. So far from 96% charge out the box I’ve done a 5.2 mile run a 50 min gym workout set some of the features up and played about with it. Currently battery is on 83% after around 17 hours ( including sleep ) I have a short 3-4 mile easy run planned later today (Saturday) gym in the morning and a long run tomorrow afternoon, will see if it lasts the day
Is it me - or is that action button junk! Surely they should allow you to program it to do anything, like start and stop an activity! It's not that you can't stop and start things easily on an Apple Watch.
@@MarkLewisfitness it’s useful to find the app straight away, but thought the same considering the hype around the button. Doesn’t seem to do much, I noticed it creates a split if your press it mid activity though. Don’t quote me but I saw a comment from a user on macrumours that there will be an update that gives it more use, wether that’s just internet story telling or not I don’t know.
@@Arki2019 there's no reason why they can't let you have that button do anything you want. For me, simply starting and stopping a run would be perfect.
@@MarkLewisfitness if you press it along with another button it pauses the activity. Doesn’t end the activity though.
@@juanbotero2055 I’ve been playing with Workoutdoors app and it’s really good. In fact, may even drop a video on it as it makes the ultra so much better
Are the Alpine Loop and Trail Loop not going to be great for handling sweat? I sweat when I run or workout and as that is daily if those straps retain water it won’t be long before they stink. I might have expected a few more straps that would be more sweat resistant for a sports focused watch aside from the ocean band aimed at swimming and diving and still retains water anyway. Fully appreciate I can buy any number of existing sports based straps but for an ultra sports based watch I would like a sweat proof strap option in the box, especially at that cost.
I just got the ultra and love it. But I will still keep my Garmin instinct nearby when I need that extra durability and battery.
only if apple watch be compatible with training peaks series plans, i mean on TP you can have a repetitions cycle combined with different goals associated with pace or distance or even zones... I haven't seen that on apple watch. What about follow a gps route or upload a gpx file for weekend train?