Up Alpe du Zwift testing Wahoo Speedplay V Garmin Vector 3
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Favero Assiomas are spot on no faff decent numbers can’t be beaten IMO
Favero Assioma since years work amazingly for me and many other peeps.
The speedplay also look nice but I just prefer KEO/classic pedals.
Me too
my guy had Garmin Vector 2 pedals and they were ok, but now he uses the Assioma and things they are great. He also has the wahoo kicker. We did get different power readings from Tacx Flux S compared to Tacx Neo. i dont know why a company things 100W different is within range, crazy!
GoPro and the "It's F#n hot" screen. Had me in stitches! 🤣
You inspired me to ride the Alpe du Zwift this morning. I read somewhere that a avg rider takes 90min to complete it. I pulled it off in 81.32. A little better than average 😜🥳
Good stuff
Loving the focus required…..desk lamp on the job and reading glasses out!
Hi mark. Just wanted to say i love your channel. Love the humour and effort put into these videos. I'm a 65kg male that is out of practice. I left the army 4 years ago and haven't done much since. 3 kids, all the usual excuses not to train. I recently picked up a smart trainer bike and started my zwift journey. In 6 weeks ive put 30 Watts onto my FTP and improved my overall wellbeing. I used to run, and be quite good. But my lower limb joints dislike running these days. But, seeing you come from overweight to "above average" as you like to put it, is making me want to get back out running. Wish me luck
Really glad for you that you are getting some sponsorship. You deserve the success that comes with building a great channel.
Had the same problem with Garmin Rally pedals. They tracked 100-150watts less than reality. Send them to Garmin and got a new one. Sold them instantly and bought a Quarc spider Powermeter. No more problems 😊
Sensible move!
I have crank based power meters now, Mark. If I was to go back to a pedal system it would be Assioma Favero.
I like using SPD cleats even on my road bikes for simple clip in/out at traffic lights and recently got myself Garmin Rally XC200 power meter pedals (the spiritual successor to the Vector 3s). I cross checked them with the Wahoo Kickr and they read around 4W higher which should come down to drive train friction. Outside they also correlate with my perceived excertion so I am quite happy (apart from that Garmin price tag).
Speedplay pedals for the win! I put them on my bike 15 years ago and never looked back… well, apart from looking back for cars… but the float pays off on longer rides and saves your knees by not locking them into the same repetitive range of motion. People would often say they were like pedalling on ice skates at first, so I had an advantage as a Canadian 😄
Is it a legal requirement to skate over there 😁😁
Good evening Mark! Videos including Zwift are always great ! Looking forward how this climb turns out! Best regards!
Review seems quite fair. I use Favero Assiomas (Duo) and a 4iiii left side crank power meter and they produce almost identical values. Very happy with both. I use the Assiomas outside and the crank power meter on the trainer.
I have Assioma Duo's and I have compared them with the Saris H3 trainer and it's spot on. And the Favero's are typically found at around the $600 range.
Yeah! More cycling, please! Zwift, road, mtb - doesn't matter! :D Just be sure to include more of that humor :)
Looking at your wall, it's time for Epoxy Resin vol.2 :)))
Thanks for great video!
Bigger plans 😁
Glad to see you’re back on the biking. And you look younger clearer skin since I saw you in late May..
I am currently using the 4iiii crank arm and was looking at the Garmin pedals. This couldn't have come at a better time. I'll keep looking - elsewhere. Thank you for another great video
I changed to crank based power on all my bikes since i had problems with the power pedals continuously. Now it just works all the time
I have the garmin pedals. Was having some issues with low power readings … found out my bike profile had reset the crank length from 172.5 to 110. All my power readings were 110/172 or about 64% low. Changed the crank length , now all good.
…exactly the same issue. Removed the app from my phone and made sure all setup was done directly through the head unit…Problem solved instantly and no issues since. We could be on to something here.
My current paperweight is a chunk of milled aluminium from my work’s factory in Atlanta, but having seen how solidly that paper stayed in place I’m thinking of an upgrade. 😂 “Within expectations” = “we knew they were pants from our testing, but released them anyway”
I use a crank-based power meter (Power2max Type S) and am very happy with his choice. This video kind of confirms that I made the right choice, I never got weird results, not necessary to re-calibrate, and yes, it's a 2-sided measurement unlike the crank-arm based offerings. Just change the battery once a year.
it was cycling videos that brought me here, it was Nixon that persuaded me to stay, More cycling with the dog and less ski ergs and wall balls would be awesome
It’s coming!
Commenting for the algorithm, thanks for the video Mark
Cycling is back on the menu 😃. Cycling brought me to your channel. Cycling and your same appreciation for Top Gun has me staying 👍🏻😂
Haven't watched one of your videos in ages..I see Alpe de Zwift I click video👍
ASSIOMAS have become the standard now. Best pedal system out there.
Would love to see a similar review of the Assiomas as others have mentioned!
The thing I'm most interested in is how easy Speedplay pedals are to clip into in real world conditions (e.g. getting away from the lights in traffic, potentially uphill). I have SPD-SL on my road bike and often find I can't clip in first time. On my other bikes I have SPD, and they're first time every time.
I found them easy. But no better than the look ones I had on before.
Also recently switched to Speedplay - used the 'Easy Tension' cleat version, even for an idiot like me, I have no problems clicking in quickly.
Absolutely no difference. Been using Speedplay for years.
@@neilbuckley5796 No difference between Speedplay and SPD-SL? So they're just as awkward?
i used to used spd sl pedals. although clipping in got much easier, there were still times in busy traffic where it was a bit of a hazard. i bought some speedplay pedals. i find them extremely easy to clip in, in fact there is no real "clipping in" you just put your foot on the pedal, and push, and you are clipped in. it is very natural and easy. i have done some 20% plus climbs with huge torque (for me) being put through the pedals and have never come un clipped. i think they are amazing.
Good to hear you doing more cycling content...
Hey mark great video! I’m a speedplay fan myself. Didn’t like the stiff feeling of SPD’s…..plus the speedplay helped with the numbness I’d get.
Just a suggestion, to help with the wear and tear on the cleats and pedals…..suggesting getting some dry lube with PTFE by WD-40. Quick spray on the pedals and cleats and you’re good to go. Speedplay sells lube but it’s a small bottle and can get messy.
Yes! Back to the garage!
Hey Mark, Nice video. I have to say, I have the complete opposite experience with my Garmin `vector 3 pedals. They work fine and the data i get is in line with that of my home trainer (not within 100 watts) but pretty similar. That said I am not entirely happy with them, but this comes down to the battery system they chose to implement. So I'm not going to be a total Garmin fanboy. In fact i dumped them for my cycle comuter and opted for the Wahoo Elemnt roam this time, which i am totally happy with. I think the main point about power though is not the absolute number but if the device measures consistently, so if you use it you can set training zones. If you set them indoors and ride outside you may feel workouts suddenly becoming easier, due to better cooling, and people in general being able to produce more power outside (for some reason, maybe just down to cooling). Anyway, my 2 cents (or pence) worth. Still like your content, when you back racing??
Excited to hear about your regular road bike! Great video as always, Mark ✌
Yep, the V3 were pooped on when i was looking few years back. Went for Assioma Duo ... they are great!
Welcome back to the bicycle, Mark. That's what I came here for the 1st time
More to come 😁
Sick burn at the end.
The garmin pedal paper weight - seems pretty cool expensive paper weight!!! :)
Glad to see you getting back on the bike
Spotted you on RUclips at chance Awesome content. Right from the start. Humour/ content ✅ well done mark 👍
Oh and a few years back I got powertap p1s, which were really cheap but amazing reliable and good.. you can't buy those any more but I understand the p2s are also very good
Just got into road cycling myself, so looking forward to seeing some on the channel!
I dig the new intro. Quick, stylish, to the point.
I was watching The Boys on tv and they do a similar thing….. so I stole it 😂
if you want to compare power graphs then you can use zwift power. go to "Profile", "Analysis", "create new data set". You can then upload multiple fit files from different devices that have recorded from different power sources and it will create an overlaping graph
Great review Mark. I’ve been swithering around power meter pedals for a while and was leaning toward the Wahoo’s. This may be the deal breaker. Looking forward to more videos on the bike and what kind of bike you buy. Keep up the good work mate. 🇦🇺👍🏻
Very interseted to see what road bike set up you go for
Your dry sense of humour is the best part of your vlogs 👌🤣. Speedplay for me then, maybe I'll wait till after this winter UK fuel bills have been paid 🤢🤢🤢🤮
You can get 4 hole shoes especially for Speedplay. Well worth it. You don’t use half the gubbins then
Assioma Duo are the gold standard of pedal based power meter
Garmin Support, moderate your posts on their forum and if you write anything they do not like they block your account, so RUclips is defo a good way of calling them out . Good video
This is more like it! Bike challenges and new kit reviews. Excellent
Once you get past level 12 on Zwift then you can pick 'The Road to Sky' route, which has a very short lead in. Sure you must be at level 12 by now.
ATB Rick
I think I did that. Still felt a long way to go 😂😂
Looking forward to seeing your new bike - I have missed your cycling videos although the Hyrox training videos are growing on me 👍
More to come!
Been using the vector 3 mk2 for a year or so. I really like them, apart from the not being spd-sl compatible. The power seems close to my kickr bike although I've never tested them side by side. Now I might ha ha
Reminds me of first Garmin watch (forerunner 50) , the button was in the wrong position so would pause when running if you bent your wrist . Belt was also shit to change battery's be fair the polar old belt was similar.
Was a lot of money to me at the time (ironic as I used to sell there sat navs) then bought a cheaper polar watch and everything just worked which felt unusual. I'm scared to ever but another Garmin fitness product . Also polars heart monitor strap looks way more accurate also
I highly recommend the Wahoo heart rate monitors. They just work.
@@davet003.5 to late I bought the polar H9 belt 2 days ago . Its the one they use in study's so I know it's good
On the subject of wahoo and garmin just to say .. I recently purchased a wahoo element bolt v2 ! The button press one and its excellent, got it for bikepacking but now I use it on general day and exercise rides , I also bought a garmin chest HR monitor which I have found to be great and accurate . Found the HR monitor really useful for evaluating calorie burn and just general near death heart rate experience ❤🤠👍
I have a bolt too - going on the new bike!
I saw your previous videos on those Garmin p.o.s specials on your earlier ones, was great timing as decided to get a 4iiii instead and has been perfect. So even back then you were getting the message out! Still a Garmin fanboy, but now just more wary of any purchase.
Really happy to hear you are including more cycling back into your training, I think it will pay dividends in terms of base building… do you do any heart rate-based sessions like MAF method of Zone 2?
Hi, Mark watched your latest video yesterday, and I love your channel. Especially when you drop those short film clips in very funny. Anyway, I too am moving most of my tech to Wahoo, I think a lot of their stuff is top notch so to speak, I have the Elemnt Bolt bike computer and the rival watch these two interact seamlessly, If your Tri racing as I do once you get off the bike and the computer senses you have stopped riding it transfers all the gathered data to the rival watch without me having to faff around pressing buttons in the correct sequence. I now just need to change my smart trainer an elite suito to a kickr or kickr core and I will have everything linked up. Keep up the great work, and more falling off the trainer please been there done that lol.
god damn it i just picked up a refurbished set of vector 3 pedals this last week
Thank god for more cycling content to come, everybody else is boring 🤣
Favero Assioma FTW 👌
A class content as always 👍🏾 Garmin usually produce top quality products but the vector pedals really suck! I use a crank based power meter 👊🏾
Was Jen next to you saying "no pain"?
Under 60 minutes solved....or start the timer 10+ minutes after you start 😁
you’re my favourite youtuber
You're my favourite subscriber 😁
I still believe!🎵
😁😁😁
Vector 1's upgraded to 2's and in a shimano shell... And they work good- readings what I'd expect compared to sb 20 smartbike. Were cheap, coming on 2nd hand bike.
My favourite RUclips channel ATM 😁😁😁
1. Great vid as always Mark🤘
2. I have Garmin v3 (left side only), for 2 years but to be fair had zero issues
3. What road bike are you getting?
4. Tip: You should be able to download the fit files from both Zwift and the pedals and then load onto Zwift power for side by side comparison analysis
Road bike will either be a trek madone or Canyon Aeroad - bit hard to get hold of either right now and, as I'm a bit of a nobody cyclist, no one wants to give me one 😁😁😁😁
@@MarkLewisfitness don’t buy the new Aeroad. It has manny creaking noises from the seat post that Canyon can’t seem to fix. Either go with a older Aeroad (2021 model or older) or a different model/ manufacturer.
@@MarkLewisfitness Trek Madone highly recommended, have the SLR7 2020 and it rides like a dream
You should do a competition and give two winners a garmin pedal each for use as a paperweight.
I'm keeping one - the other I'll donate to a challenge winner :)
Somehow I got the Assioma and had problems with those. Right side battery died after warranty and the left side became poor battery health. Basically used as a UNO for quite some time.
Then rather illogically bought Garmin Rally and 7months down the line still flawless
I was thinking about getting Garmin Vector but got Assioma instead. Thank goodness. 😉
Good choice!
After this Video, GARMIN ENG is in the process of contacting you. Next week someone will be fire. I was closed to get Garmin but now you just make me change my mind. Thank you.
I tried speedplay pedals but I didn’t like 2 things. Contact area, I have never noticed this with spd and spd-sl cleats because the contact area is almost the width of the shoe. With speedplay I noticed the smaller circle contact area. The biggest issue is mud/dirt. Any amount of dirt or mud and you can’t clip in. I took them out in the spring when it was a little wet out and one wrong step in some muddy grass at a stop light and I couldn’t clip in the rest of the ride. It was a tiny amount of mud/dirt and they where totally f’d.
garmin vector 3 are great ;)
If you’re going to use speedplay long term you really need a bike fitter to set up your cleats.. the wrong position will give you all sorts of problems not to mention reduced power.
Ask any long term user and they’ll say speedplay are the business! The adjustability in the cleats I.e. increased float, increased q-factor can solve biomechanic problems and they’re SO SO much easier to clip in on the road.. I clip in without looking at them
Will be getting a proper fit when the new road bike gets here
Need to get yourself a spacer for that asthma pump!
Just need a little puff and I’m good 😊
What is the weird flexible straw thingy on your KICKR bike in the older videos?
Great channel. Great you are getting a road bike. Find a good fast local cycling club ... you would love it. Its brutal and great fun. There is always someone to compete against. The world of strava is a great platform for getting better than average (paid version has great breakdown and comparisons against 1000's of people). Hill climbing events, great sportives (Dragon ride, Fred whitton are brutal) , multi day cycling events(Tour of wessex is a great 3 day event (over 100 miles a day) where you basically climb the equivalent of mount Everest cycling) .... and then there cycling in the alps. Cycle the real alp du heuz. Compare yourself against 1000's of riders. Ive never raced in real life but some people go mad into that too. Loads of avenues for your channel and cycling community is huge!
Greatly appreciate your jokes
I made the mistake years ago to get Vector pedals and had a lot of problems. They're not well made and Garmin doesn't stand behind them or have good quality control.
Consider a Gravel/Endurance Road Bike. Way more useful for types of terrain, and still plenty fast.
I did think about that, but want to do some sportives (Is that the right word?) And will a gravel bike be fast enough?
Mark. For god's sake. Wrong bike!
Garmin meant those pedals to fit the Kawasaki GPZ !
Stick them on the pillion and they'll work fine. 🤭
😁😁😁
Lol as usual. I soured on Garmin looooong ago . After being a Garmin fanboy for many years (several HRM straps, two Edge 500s) I quit after they failed intermittently over, and over, and over. Head unit, trainer and HRM are all Wahoo now (+sufferfest flag adorning my pain cave wall.)
For power I'm on Favero Assioma Duo for the past year. I just bought new bearing kit after about 8000k. I can say there is very little wrong with these. They compare quite well with with my Wahoo kickr.
I have several sets of Speedplay pedals too but not the power meter - yet. My Cannondale has them w/a Quark crank which is accurate but DUB hub relegates it to that one bike forever. I don't like SRAM much as a rule. So I need Lake to release a four-hole shoe (in Competition last plz - or something wide enough for me foot) before I switch back to Speedplays which I really like for the dual sided entry and infinitely adjustable float. Though I've adjusted to the toe flick to get into my Favero/Look pedals and the float cleats are slowly coming down from 9 to now 6 degrees.
Finally I will also add - all told the Favero's are the lightest cleat/pedal power meters on the market right now. They also cost $300 less than Wahoo Speedplays.
Good honest review and as those pedals are sooo expensive I would be gutted if I had invested in the garmin. Ps garmin have a lot of good products so it's even more disappointing.
To be fair to Garmin, the new RS200 Pedals are really good
I have heard that too
Are you still going to do a triathlon?
Your next your next bike should be a Canyon road bike!
It’s possible.
woo more cycling content
also: i have the assioma duo power pedals, great stuff. exact same as my smart trainer. same charging style as your speedplay. id say only benefit (other than price maybe?) is the cleats are look-neo compatible so much more common and less of a hassle to settup (no hastle actually)
You can get the assioma power pedals that fit SPD SL cleats now which are much much better
I was thinking about getting some wahoo pedals. I’ve had no luck with three of my garmin products the customer service is crap, I too have some garmin paper weights that won’t event connect now after paying for an official garmin upgrade battery door. That’s said if you want rid of your garmin pedals at a reasonable price let me know as I can’t really justify buying another new set of wahoo pedals at the moment.
Enjoyed the review. Sometimes you just have to put your foot down and tell it like it is to Garmin with 80’s theme music blaring in the background while you do so of course. Good stuff as always.
If 100 watt give or take is their “play” either I’m gonna feel like Superman on crack or peewee Herman on a beach cruiser.
If they read 100 W to high I would never have mentioned it 😁😁
i know that feel.....i had vector 3 too. it always lost the right pedal signal....
Thought I’d let you know there’s a route called road to sky which starts you pretty much at the bottom of the climb
Road to Sky is a direct route to the Alpe, however you still start 7.2 km away from the base.
Exactly!!!!!! 7.2 bloody km.
@@MarkLewisfitness Top tip- You can save 2 km if you select the Jungle Circuit and then make the right turn to the Alpe ruclips.net/video/OhxZOOU513E/видео.html
@@MarkLewisfitness yeah that’s what we call a good warm up 😉
@@MarkLewisfitness to be fair it’s mostly downhill though…
I can't imagine non-fitness enthusiasts reading this title and thinking it's anything other than random string of words.
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"The amount of difference you are getting is within expectations." - I am thinking about sending back the Garmin Watch i just ordered. Thanks for sharing that scam.
Great video as always. I've had a lot of fun with Garmin customer support. Useless in so many regards. My forerunner 645 music Is behaving exactly as expected when I do 10 hill reps up a 0.14 mile 7% hill and it registers elevation gain of zero. On which point mark, I have something weird going on with HR during hill climbs.... Can't find much research online, might be a subject for your own investigation and subsequent video? My Strava run of yesterday (Malcolm farrelle) alludes to the issue.
Hi Mark, The Garmin Vector 3 pedals do have a terrible reputation, I will not comment further as I haven't tried them. The main question should really be so...why would anybody buy the Wahoo Speedplay when the Favero Assomia are £250 cheaper and are known to be the best pedals on the market (apart from the dreadful original cleats in the box, which can be sorted by buying Look Keo ones). I have Wahoo products and they have great customer service...But that was not enough to buy the Speedplay for me. As for the 5km of riding before the Alpe 😀😀...
Do you have any of your biking music Playlist on Spotify?
Katie Kookaburra can do it in 61 minutes! Ego crusher!
You can use zwiftpower to create dual records with "analysis". Create one with the garmin and kickr bike and send it off to garmin. What's your left/right balance with the garmin? It's likely one of the pedals is good and one is stuffed. That response from garmin is just bs.
Oddly, left and right were both reading the same but low. And I sent Garmin lots and lots of data - they stuck to the same response though. The email conversation went over many many days, they had ample chance to sort it!
@@MarkLewisfitness yep, clearly wasn't anyone with a clue. Very bad look for the company
@@titaniumben9923 agree - and more than one person involved in the email chain to so it wasn’t a rogue lunatic 😂
Well that's me not getting Garmin pedals.