@@nunyadambusiness3530 thats their loss. for them to make you feel unwelcome is not what the voguing community is about. go back out there and express yourself baby even if people laugh at you because thats what voguing is about
i still personally consider it as the majority of them being bothered due to the subject of the video, but at least they're not verbally spreading the hate and make someone feel bad for being or supporting lgbt+ so i'm thankful for that at least
I had the privilege to walk a Ball and perform for the legendary Mother Leiomy Maldonado from NYC, who I have so much respect for. Let me tell y'all, especially the people who don't understand the scene. It do take NERVE. It's no joke. The categories are strict, and if you are not the best, you will be cut. Vogueing, along with all the other categories, are an art form. It takes discipline, practice, and a whole lot of nerve. MUCH respect to all Voguers, and Happy Pride month to all the LGBT folks in the comments.
To the people getting mad that no credit was due to the poc....were we watching the same video? They mention Willi Ninja an important part of creating the dance and mentioning that the houses are primarily Latino and Black...this video mostly interviewed and showcased people of color I'm not understanding where one would be offended.
Exactly! I’m so confused, didn’t we all watch the same video? I barely saw any white people in this video - all the dancing was done by poc. I can just use context clues and figure out that this dance style was made or popularized by poc.
Yeah it’s like there is never enough diversity. We got a whole video about how the LGBT community created such an amazing form of dance. But no that’s not enough. We need to make sure that they are LGTB people and poc. This just doesn’t make sense for me.
Baby nobody is getting mad but ballroom we’re not made with lgbtq community lgbtq people but by black lgbtq and Latino ppl that’s the only thing that’s it’s not right about this video and nobody is getting mad but EVERYBODY need to know that ball we’re created because of the racism of lgbtq community that’s literally just that i didn’t see nobody being mad but this the history of voguing and ballroom so why we don’t have the reason of why ballroom was created like it’s super important for the whole video 💀
@@neopolitanvampire5916 but you still don’t know why 💀💀💀 it’s was created because white people from the lgbtq community rejected lgbtq black and Latino this is the reason of vogue and ballroom it’s the more important things 💀
its about liking it, i know i could learn how to draw, but i dont have the motivation for that, at the end if you dont have fear, and you are not learning, maybe you just like the idea and dont really like doing it, like myself whit drawing.
The title is misleading. From what I know these Legendary Houses were created in response to racism faced within the white LGBT community at the time - especially in drag. We cannot ignore this, and, know just showing the Black and Latinx founders does not count as making that known.
mhmmmm, and I see various forms of group, collective performance in many countries with Afro/indigenous peoples. What is today called cypher. Similar to Vogue is Soul Train, Capoeira, A capella, Zangbeto in some West African communities. Honestly, I think Soul Train was voguing before voguing was a thing.
this was such an important video. thank you for making it. i hope you guys over at Vox don't let conservative backlash stop you from sharing stories of the LGBT+ community. these stories need to be told.
fkajon I'm going to need you to take several seats. Stop trying to create controversy where there is none. I am both a person of color, and part of the LGBT+ community, I see no problem with the title.
Sally Vee it wasn't divisive . Voguing comes out the LGBT community but the Black LGBT community it's two different things . Racism against POC bleeds into the community. Just because one isn't str8 doesn't mean they can't be racist . Voguing came from colored dancers and it's simple .
Kim You should definitely watch Paris is Burning if you haven’t. It’s all about the vogueing scene in NY in the 80s. Even I learned a few things about it and I’m black and lgbt!
straight men here are so triggered its hilarious. why do these people affect your life so much that you feel entitled to say your wrong opinion about the lgbt community...?
I like how you just assume people are triggered by the fact it's LGBT. I happen to think Vogueing as a whole is worthless and anyone who tries to tell me otherwise is dumb. I don't care if it came from some positive aspect of a subset culture, it's a shitty dance that requires very little talent. It's like the people who dance at electronica music shows. You should feel bad for your shitty taste in things and stop turning this into a social issue, or accusing people who don't support vogueing as somehow against the LGBT community. Time to grow up Quincy.
ShredPenguins I won’t make this political, but vogueing is literally the hardest thing I’ve ever done. I’ve been a ballerina for over a decade and doing various other styles of dance during that time. I had a friend invite me to take a vogueing class and I thought it would be easy because it’s just jumping around right? Wow was I wrong! There are so many elements such as the cat walk, arm and hand movements, the duck walk (which requires insane leg strength), floor work and so much more. Not only does it require physical strength it thrives on creativity. If you think that this is worthless, you lack the intelligence and creativity to see that this is an important art of self expression.
"I'm not homophobic or racist" *decides to blatantly disrepect and insult an art form that has a heavy poc and lgbt background, when it's literally not hurting you in anyway*
@@7saany Actually, in this case, it is very important to mention race regarding voguing. It was a way for a minority who were not only met with racism but also prejudice and violence for being gay or trans to feel that they are important and have purpose. It brought a community together to help one another, especially during the AIDS crisis. If anything, we must mention race or else we stand to wipe out this piece of important LGBTQ+ history.
I love this, I am LucyAlia Turull Aka Lucy Del Rio from the house of Del Rio first female house. I was part of the time of willie, labella, extravaganza, manifique I could go on with the list of houses back in the day. We competed but we were friends and I love my memories of that time. My house competed in the love ball and we were the grand prize winners of the love ball. Anyway I love this video, and I am glad to see houses still bringing it.
I was in party last night and I was drunk af. I did voguing and I was shook because I ve never learned in my entire life and people said I ve so much sass .now I will try to learn
these people just explained my love for dance for me. ive been trying to understand it for years, the amount of times i felt it pulling me towards it feel more significant than the times i pushed it away-and these people don't even know me. im baffled at how universal of a language and even a home dance can be. happy pride to the beautiful community who created voguing ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜🖤🤍🤎 i love you
I do reason it all out. And Vox provides enough evidence before it even dares to make a claim.The bottomline is, you won't get a media outlet which is as open as this is on everything. They're real people, and I feel like I personally know them. The fact I'm trying to establish is, amidst all of the paranoia about news outlets, I'd like to offer them my unconditional support. I have enough faith in them to know they won't make a claim without it being true.
I have the opposite view. The only way to keep new outlets like Vox unbiased is to be extremely critical of it. If everybody gave them the unconditional support like you did they will quickly regress into appealing to the emotions of audiences to get view instead of having well-reasoned videos. There's nothing wrong with supporting a media outlet, but giving "unconditional" support is one of the most dangerous things you can do.
Dude. Seriously. Read what I wrote. "And Vox provides enough evidence before it even dares to make a claim." When Vox starts making stuff up from thin air, I'll think about it, but it never did. What? Appealing to my emotions to get my view? I'm not opinionated. The collective audience over here has a million different views, how are you going to appease all of these views? It's easier to tell the truth, and that's exactly what they're doing, and will continue to do. So, it's out of question they'll turn rogue. I'm not deluded to think that Fox is the right source for my daily fix of news.
i don't get you people that have a problem with this video?? like if you say it's boring and no one cares, cool, nobody's forcing you to watch it. it can be interesting to other people! let people make the content they want to make. i'm always up for learning more about the world, and you should be too, i think
Lmao the Homophobia is real. Str8 men are in the comments acting like they've never seen vogueing before when tons of pop stars have been using vogueing choreography since the 80s. Beyonce, Ariana Grande, Katy Perry, Madonna, Lady Gaga, all of them use Vogueing in some way on the regular so don't act like you don't understand. You understand very well. We understand each other. You have a problem with the gays. Point blank.
There is little hate going on and you´re overreacting because frankly even if someone has seen someone vogueing doesnt mean they remembers it as if the person was vogueing. Just because someone is against it doesnt mean they are homophobic either.
Not everybody listens to pop stars like the ones you mentioned, so it is completely understandable why someone might state that they have never heard of vogueing before.
Shady Tyrell Hey, what's up, I'm a straight white male and I never heard of voguing. Do you care to explain how that makes me a homophobe or is this a mindless insult?
Shady Tyrell, LOL you criticize straight men for not know what voguing is and then try to demonstrate how common it is by citing performances of female pop stars. How on earth would the average man know that what they see on an Ariana Grande music video is 'voguing' at its roots? Do you think many straight men attend Lady Gaga concerts? Probably not. Just because people aren't sure what it is doesn't mean they're homophobic. I saw the video in my subscriptions page and thought "What is voguing?" and I clicked on the video to find out. Simple. No hatred. No homophobia, just curiosity. People like you are the reason there are divisions between 'different groups' of people. Most people just want to exists and treat everyone fairly, but people like you want to term EVERYTHING into an us-vs-them issue.
Voguing is so amazing and technical. I want to be part of it but my size has made me anxious about dancing again. I’ve done hip hop, tap, and jazz at an already high weight. I’ve gained more since then :( Hoping I can add vogue to the list in this lifetime.
I was wondering the same. Almost every vid with LGBT or Women on the title gets plagued by tons of dislikes. Seems to me the works of LGBT and feminists are far from done.
the comments are split between "yaasssssssss" "yesss! werk!" "they should've credited poc" "what is this & why are people doing it?" " (this is where a comment in regards to "y'all uneducated. lemme explain; blahblahblahblah" ) "
The podcast "Reply All" from Gimlet media did a great episode about the origins of the term "YAS," which began in these houses. The episode is #69 Disappeared and it starts around the 19:30 minute mark. It's interesting stuff. gimletmedia.com/episode/69-disappeared/
You say empowerment and belonging but won’t specify the most important fact in your title. BLACK AND BROWN LGBT CREATED THIS. Give them the credit they rightfully deserve by at least changing your title.
Voguein' is black tho. LBQT is too much of an umbrella term it's not ethnic or race specific. I mean this video basically gave all the credit to black people in Harlem.
so you're saying straight blacks made it? LMAO what would Ninja think of this.... or all the kids that were thrown out of their houses and participated in ballrooms. They created this scene cause neither straights and neither racist whites wanted them.Vogue is not a black thing. Vogue is a black and latino lgbt thing
Vogueing is as black, but lgbtq+ black not straight cis black guys. So it's both, but never just one. (plus the latinx community, always preaching for my familhia)
I like that philosophy, "let's stop the war, we should just throw a shade.". Imagine Donald Trump/Biden, Xi Jin Ping, Putin and Kim Jong Un Voguing in ballroom dance to solve their problems. What a beautiful world we live in.
Thank you for correcting my image of the history of this type of dance! I didn't know any better, and I have a lot of friends in the LGBT+ community, so I want to learn about their history and help them feel safe and supported around me. (I might be some form of ace but right now I identify as either Questioning or straight.)
The girl whit the nose ring who talks in this video appears in pillar point's video called Dove. She makes a really beautiful dance and the location, breathtaking .
we're talking about adults here. Obviously there is a right way and a wrong way to behave towards children. But that has no bearing on this conversation, because we weren't talking about children.
I wouldn't classify pedophilia as "love". Desire, perhaps. But more often it's born from a need to assert dominance on the part of a weak and sick person. Again however, that's not what the video was about: so Desmond wasn't talking about that either.
Sophie Jones exactly my point love is love is valid in this context for a community of beings who support each other and have a passion for VOUGEING. Mother Earth would've been such a better place if we all stood by each other and accepted the fact that it's fine to be different.
EvilTom, it's strange how you almost advocated for pedophilia in your second to last comment. Perhaps it may be from generalizing too much. I'm interested in what research you've done on the topics you've mentioned but I would rather you emailed me than continued in this section of the comments. Not that being less educated or exposed to something makes you less valid, but forming an educated point of reference can help to make real progress in a conversation as opposed to running in circles and making irrelevant comments, of which there are non here. I'm interested in understanding where you are coming from, in a non-personal sense. I suppose what I'm asking for is a definition of the term "Natural" and how it related to "Mother Nature". Which definitions do you abide by and should they be at all? I'm team Mother Nature Can Fight Me because she's literally a pain in my butt but I love her, nonetheless, and I love my friends. Does your definition include all things organic and that can be developed, or are you actively against that? Because sex changes aren't just a choice for people, in a similar way that sexuality isn't a choice. This discourse can also lead into questions surrounding identity, which is a fun but sometimes difficult place to traverse, even if one is prepared.
My best ever memories when I was part of house Xtravaganza back in 1998 when I used to live in NY, I was not good in Voguing , but being a part of this amazing house was a dream . I used to go on Voguing competition and underground’s party !! Miss Thing you better work ,, snap snap snap
What people need to know about Voguing is that it releases an aura of energy no one else can understand. Voguing is different for everyone in its uniqueness.
no. stop trying to make this a race issue, voguing is an important element from de WHOLE lgbt comunity EVEN THOUGH black and latin people that created it, and they were always credited by it.
Raphael, the title literally says "How the LGBT community creating vogueing". You still want to argue that they're being credited right now? literally no one said that vogueing wasn't important for the whole lgbt community, Ra Fie just wants black LGBT to be credited, so don't break your arms reaching for an argument lmao.
Vox can get like 90% of the story right and then throw in something like this showing they don't do research and have an angle on everything. No wonder the company failed.
I tried Voguing once. It was fun. I was bad at it though.
Ayyy that's me
I try... so hard
Practice makes perfect. Keep going!
I ended up getting laughed at, ran out crying.. Didn't feel so welcome..
@@nunyadambusiness3530 thats their loss. for them to make you feel unwelcome is not what the voguing community is about. go back out there and express yourself baby even if people laugh at you because thats what voguing is about
this video is nothing but positive, supportive and uplifting. no wonder hate-filled people are bothered.
i still personally consider it as the majority of them being bothered due to the subject of the video, but at least they're not verbally spreading the hate and make someone feel bad for being or supporting lgbt+ so i'm thankful for that at least
I agree there needs to be more videos like this on the internet. Who is the person in you're profile picture?
Unders Not many* angry comments Unders
is people from the slgbtq+ community because they didnt add the qs+ to the title, vox is so ignorant.
my ult: jinhwan from ikon
So basically instead of rap battles- these guys n gals been doin dance battles, huh?
...neat
power move: actually rapping with well coordinated voguing
Instead of oppressed people fighting on the streets, they decided to battle it on the dancefloor. Huh? NEat!
C.D. ai-0139 Greta Garbo and Monroe, Dietrich, and DiMaggio. Marlon Brando, Jimmy Dean- on the cover of a magazine.
MachiToons - something something: never heard of breakdance battles?
@@mggentry Madonna is not voguing
LGBT POC DID THAT!!!
i know, right? nothing like a good old fashioned cultural appropriation
KINGS AND QUEENS, ALL OF US
Tae Briggs queens did vougeing tho😅
@First Last is that what your family said when they brought you home
yes, u can get a LGBT POC DID THAT!!!
I had the privilege to walk a Ball and perform for the legendary Mother Leiomy Maldonado from NYC, who I have so much respect for. Let me tell y'all, especially the people who don't understand the scene. It do take NERVE. It's no joke. The categories are strict, and if you are not the best, you will be cut. Vogueing, along with all the other categories, are an art form. It takes discipline, practice, and a whole lot of nerve. MUCH respect to all Voguers, and Happy Pride month to all the LGBT folks in the comments.
Thanks for sharing, and happy pride month to you too! ♡
satinboys I'M JEALOUS
Where did you go in NYC ...I'm here on vacation till the 19th sep. 2021.
To the people getting mad that no credit was due to the poc....were we watching the same video? They mention Willi Ninja an important part of creating the dance and mentioning that the houses are primarily Latino and Black...this video mostly interviewed and showcased people of color I'm not understanding where one would be offended.
Exactly! I’m so confused, didn’t we all watch the same video? I barely saw any white people in this video - all the dancing was done by poc. I can just use context clues and figure out that this dance style was made or popularized by poc.
Yeah it’s like there is never enough diversity. We got a whole video about how the LGBT community created such an amazing form of dance. But no that’s not enough. We need to make sure that they are LGTB people and poc. This just doesn’t make sense for me.
Yeah, but White people tend to pick and choose when to use common sense.
Prime example, BLACK LIVES MATTER v.s. All lives matter. The TOO was implied!
Baby nobody is getting mad but ballroom we’re not made with lgbtq community lgbtq people but by black lgbtq and Latino ppl that’s the only thing that’s it’s not right about this video and nobody is getting mad but EVERYBODY need to know that ball we’re created because of the racism of lgbtq community that’s literally just that i didn’t see nobody being mad but this the history of voguing and ballroom so why we don’t have the reason of why ballroom was created like it’s super important for the whole video 💀
@@neopolitanvampire5916 but you still don’t know why 💀💀💀 it’s was created because white people from the lgbtq community rejected lgbtq black and Latino this is the reason of vogue and ballroom it’s the more important things 💀
Dragonball Z but instead of fighting, it's voguing.
Hushoo that's hilarious 😂
Basically lol
This is literally the best anime.
kamehamehameOW!!
Basically JoJos haha
I vogue, you vogue, he she we vogue. Vogueology. The study of vogueing!
It's all first grade homophobes
Help Will Forte Reach 100 subscribers It's first grade!!!
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They don't vogue on the beach anymore...
cool story
Wish I could dance like that but alas I'm like a newborn giraffe
i was a year ago, i am not great, but dancing for fun twice a month i have moch more control of my body, you shold try, once a week.
Joseph CroenianGamer lol newborn giraffe I'm literally a fetus tho
its about liking it, i know i could learn how to draw, but i dont have the motivation for that, at the end if you dont have fear, and you are not learning, maybe you just like the idea and dont really like doing it, like myself whit drawing.
Everyone moves or dances different. Go for it. Let's of lot of tension good for you.
"I'm So Into voguing right now" - Vanessa Hudgens
Yesss they included Kia LaBeija!!! She does a PHENOMENAL dance in the Pillar Point - Dove video!!
She is a goddess! One of my most favourite art!
The title is misleading. From what I know these Legendary Houses were created in response to racism faced within the white LGBT community at the time - especially in drag. We cannot ignore this, and, know just showing the Black and Latinx founders does not count as making that known.
mhmmmm, and I see various forms of group, collective performance in many countries with Afro/indigenous peoples. What is today called cypher. Similar to Vogue is Soul Train, Capoeira, A capella, Zangbeto in some West African communities. Honestly, I think Soul Train was voguing before voguing was a thing.
this was such an important video. thank you for making it. i hope you guys over at Vox don't let conservative backlash stop you from sharing stories of the LGBT+ community. these stories need to be told.
Grace Taylor plz be ironic
Keg Why though?
Grace Taylor what conservative backlash?
Brian Chandler have you ever read the comments section of a Vox video before?
Grace Taylor most conservatives don't give a crap, I think your referring to the far right. Their the ones that think homosexuality is immoral.
How the BLACK and LATINO LGBT community created voguing.
Fixed the title for you.
fkajon yeah white people are too busy at work xD
Sounds like an efficiency problem.
fkajon I'm going to need you to take several seats. Stop trying to create controversy where there is none. I am both a person of color, and part of the LGBT+ community, I see no problem with the title.
Sally Vee it wasn't divisive . Voguing comes out the LGBT community but the Black LGBT community it's two different things . Racism against POC bleeds into the community. Just because one isn't str8 doesn't mean they can't be racist . Voguing came from colored dancers and it's simple .
Stefkostov TRUTH
please clearly state that it was lgbt poc who founded this. their being POC was also a big part of this.
baby bird And homeless or poor
whats poc?
People of colour.
thanks. guess that acronym/phrase in general isnt used so much over here
Keg yes
HAPPY PRIDE MONTH
I didn't know voguing was part of a larger scene- and that it was connected to the lgbtq+ community! Thats so cool, now I want to learn
Kim You should definitely watch Paris is Burning if you haven’t. It’s all about the vogueing scene in NY in the 80s. Even I learned a few things about it and I’m black and lgbt!
Voguing, wacking both are actually part of classical indian dance. west just took hand portions from indian classical dances
straight men here are so triggered its hilarious. why do these people affect your life so much that you feel entitled to say your wrong opinion about the lgbt community...?
QUINCY Not all straights are homophones, remember that.
I like how you just assume people are triggered by the fact it's LGBT. I happen to think Vogueing as a whole is worthless and anyone who tries to tell me otherwise is dumb. I don't care if it came from some positive aspect of a subset culture, it's a shitty dance that requires very little talent. It's like the people who dance at electronica music shows.
You should feel bad for your shitty taste in things and stop turning this into a social issue, or accusing people who don't support vogueing as somehow against the LGBT community. Time to grow up Quincy.
Not all white or straight people are homophobic racist people
ShredPenguins I won’t make this political, but vogueing is literally the hardest thing I’ve ever done. I’ve been a ballerina for over a decade and doing various other styles of dance during that time. I had a friend invite me to take a vogueing class and I thought it would be easy because it’s just jumping around right? Wow was I wrong! There are so many elements such as the cat walk, arm and hand movements, the duck walk (which requires insane leg strength), floor work and so much more. Not only does it require physical strength it thrives on creativity. If you think that this is worthless, you lack the intelligence and creativity to see that this is an important art of self expression.
"I'm not homophobic or racist" *decides to blatantly disrepect and insult an art form that has a heavy poc and lgbt background, when it's literally not hurting you in anyway*
I'm always in awe of expert vogue-ers. It's truly an art.
I literally just watched Paris is burning last night. This was weird to wake up to.
islam islam islaaaaaaam muhammed was a warlord no?
It takes time to make good content out of a story.
PreyTell : "The category is ..... "
"Ms Candy, what are you doing???!!!!! Oh Ms Candy"
Rip Ms candy
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LGBT PEOPLE OF COLOUR created vogueing, please give specific credit where credit is due.
They did. it's clear in the video. did you not watch it?
You're so blind you didn't even watch were they said who invented it smh
black or white or blue what does it matter? this is an all inclusive environment so pointing out races is irrelevant.
They definitely made it clear in the video, no worries.
@@7saany Actually, in this case, it is very important to mention race regarding voguing. It was a way for a minority who were not only met with racism but also prejudice and violence for being gay or trans to feel that they are important and have purpose. It brought a community together to help one another, especially during the AIDS crisis. If anything, we must mention race or else we stand to wipe out this piece of important LGBTQ+ history.
LGBT POC (Specifically, Black and Latino) created that. Let's specify that in the title, because it's hella *IMPORTANT* .
First Last The white man always tries to take the credit.
@@mickelkenner516 The white man has invented everything you use in your daily life. You're welcome : )
Ben P HAHAHA no
@@benp9793 no he hasn't he just stole the ideas
Azure name all the inventions then and il do my research on all of them
the black and lgbt community pretty much made american culture from its slang to its fashion i wish a whitey would try me
BTS INVENTED TALENT
Oh yes, the great pillars of a society, slang and dancing.
VERY THAT.
American culture is made by many people, from different socio-economic classes, skin colours, and identities.
True dat
pwussy! PRAISE
Vox please do a whole LGBT series for pride month
Am i the only one finding it fabolous?
[Yoshikage_Kira] it's Jojo posing cranked to 11
nay
Nada
No
Não!
Vox did their homework, respect.
i love vogue, would have been cool to have some real voguing tracks on the video thou.
Daniel Evans what do you mean, what's "a real vogue track"?
AvgJane19 Search up videos about Vogue music or Vogue chants to answer your question.
I love this, I am LucyAlia Turull Aka Lucy Del Rio from the house of Del Rio first female house. I was part of the time of willie, labella, extravaganza, manifique I could go on with the list of houses back in the day. We competed but we were friends and I love my memories of that time.
My house competed in the love ball and we were the grand prize winners of the love ball.
Anyway I love this video, and I am glad to see houses still bringing it.
I was in party last night and I was drunk af. I did voguing and I was shook because I ve never learned in my entire life and people said I ve so much sass .now I will try to learn
i'm so excited about this
These comments should be level-headed
Kyle Richardson Level-headed and vogue are antonyms. Both sides are irrationally passionate about their side of the story and it'll always be that way
lol
these people just explained my love for dance for me. ive been trying to understand it for years, the amount of times i felt it pulling me towards it feel more significant than the times i pushed it away-and these people don't even know me. im baffled at how universal of a language and even a home dance can be. happy pride to the beautiful community who created voguing ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜🖤🤍🤎 i love you
why are people disliking this? there's nothing wrong w the video
It was the black LGBTQ community ns.
Thank you !
Atleast they're having fun, me on the other hand can't even dance :(
Yes you can! Everyone can dance!
you mean you can't dance well :) Some people have a talent for dancing well, that is true. Most of us take lessons.
How the BLACK and LATINO LGBT created voguing .. fixed the title for you
Latino isn’t a color. It includes every shade of white, black and brown
Vox, you have my unconditional support.
Ditto
So... you confess of not using your reasoning abilities?
I do reason it all out. And Vox provides enough evidence before it even dares to make a claim.The bottomline is, you won't get a media outlet which is as open as this is on everything. They're real people, and I feel like I personally know them. The fact I'm trying to establish is, amidst all of the paranoia about news outlets, I'd like to offer them my unconditional support.
I have enough faith in them to know they won't make a claim without it being true.
I have the opposite view. The only way to keep new outlets like Vox unbiased is to be extremely critical of it. If everybody gave them the unconditional support like you did they will quickly regress into appealing to the emotions of audiences to get view instead of having well-reasoned videos. There's nothing wrong with supporting a media outlet, but giving "unconditional" support is one of the most dangerous things you can do.
Dude. Seriously. Read what I wrote. "And Vox provides enough evidence before it even dares to make a claim."
When Vox starts making stuff up from thin air, I'll think about it, but it never did.
What? Appealing to my emotions to get my view? I'm not opinionated. The collective audience over here has a million different views, how are you going to appease all of these views? It's easier to tell the truth, and that's exactly what they're doing, and will continue to do.
So, it's out of question they'll turn rogue.
I'm not deluded to think that Fox is the right source for my daily fix of news.
The black and latinx LGBT* community
If I said scientists got us to the moon, would you correct me and say "uhm, it was actually white scientists"?
blackfemme Exactly. Let's specify!
I was gonna say, and hardly the L or B
mlw2324 tons of B, like tons and Lesbians have been in it for decades. including transwomen who are lesbians.
Thank you 👏🏾
I don't get the dislikes? Lol
Bots or just people who dislike VOX videos without even seeing what they even are first.
4chan neckbeards.
what are even SJWs? Right wingers just made that stuff up and have been crying about nothing else since then. Where are the real issues?!
They have to have something to complain about so they can counteract legitimate complaints
Or they just dislike how the dance looks..?
i don't get you people that have a problem with this video?? like if you say it's boring and no one cares, cool, nobody's forcing you to watch it. it can be interesting to other people! let people make the content they want to make. i'm always up for learning more about the world, and you should be too, i think
I wanna learn how to dance like that when I get older :D
as a swing dancer, I love this. This is the best thing since the invention of tap. All the other modern dances look thuggish next to this.
Damn... this comments leave me so disappointed.
I wish I could dance this well.
Lmao the Homophobia is real. Str8 men are in the comments acting like they've never seen vogueing before when tons of pop stars have been using vogueing choreography since the 80s. Beyonce, Ariana Grande, Katy Perry, Madonna, Lady Gaga, all of them use Vogueing in some way on the regular so don't act like you don't understand. You understand very well. We understand each other. You have a problem with the gays. Point blank.
There is little hate going on and you´re overreacting because frankly even if someone has seen someone vogueing doesnt mean they remembers it as if the person was vogueing. Just because someone is against it doesnt mean they are homophobic either.
Not everybody listens to pop stars like the ones you mentioned, so it is completely understandable why someone might state that they have never heard of vogueing before.
Shady Tyrell Hey, what's up, I'm a straight white male and I never heard of voguing. Do you care to explain how that makes me a homophobe or is this a mindless insult?
Shady Tyrell, LOL you criticize straight men for not know what voguing is and then try to demonstrate how common it is by citing performances of female pop stars. How on earth would the average man know that what they see on an Ariana Grande music video is 'voguing' at its roots? Do you think many straight men attend Lady Gaga concerts? Probably not. Just because people aren't sure what it is doesn't mean they're homophobic.
I saw the video in my subscriptions page and thought "What is voguing?" and I clicked on the video to find out. Simple. No hatred. No homophobia, just curiosity.
People like you are the reason there are divisions between 'different groups' of people. Most people just want to exists and treat everyone fairly, but people like you want to term EVERYTHING into an us-vs-them issue.
u dum dum
Here bcuz of chungha’s new videos
i'm so into voguing right now
that's the I came from lol
Voguing is so amazing and technical. I want to be part of it but my size has made me anxious about dancing again. I’ve done hip hop, tap, and jazz at an already high weight. I’ve gained more since then :( Hoping I can add vogue to the list in this lifetime.
Whats with the all the dislikes?
khaled aleisa, don't distract him, he is busy being oppressed by white cis-gender christian males.
homophobics
Shady Tyrell u racist?
Amandh Rajan, do you care?
I was wondering the same. Almost every vid with LGBT or Women on the title gets plagued by tons of dislikes. Seems to me the works of LGBT and feminists are far from done.
How the BLACK LGBTQs invented vogue
Chungha's Stay Tonight dance has voguing! ♡♡
You have to go to Paris!! They have clubs just for voguing. It is so cool to watch.
Happy pride month, everyone!
ThePickyGamer 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈
ThePickyGamer That's not gods way
Cole Current you're not your gods way I mean he's supposed to love everyone right?
I just wanted to say something nice... 😭
Charles Patsch exept gays
the comments are split between
"yaasssssssss"
"yesss! werk!"
"they should've credited poc"
"what is this & why are people doing it?"
" (this is where a comment in regards to "y'all uneducated. lemme explain; blahblahblahblah" ) "
The podcast "Reply All" from Gimlet media did a great episode about the origins of the term "YAS," which began in these houses. The episode is #69 Disappeared and it starts around the 19:30 minute mark. It's interesting stuff.
gimletmedia.com/episode/69-disappeared/
thanks for reminding me where i heard this before. great episode and great podcast
I tried voguing once and it destroyed my knees. You need a really good condition to vogue right.
Wait, is there gonna be a series of LGBT-related videos during the Pride Month? YES PLEASE SAY YES MAKE MORE OF THESE
Why?
luboisfat they're interesting and clearly upset a lot of bigots.
Moonman lol nobody is "whining" btw lgbt people want equal rights and not special treatment
eliivy no
NoFace that's sad
Great video! I had never really known about this before.
You say empowerment and belonging but won’t specify the most important fact in your title. BLACK AND BROWN LGBT CREATED THIS. Give them the credit they rightfully deserve by at least changing your title.
Please make more educational videos like these for dance. It’s very much needed!
Voguein' is black tho. LBQT is too much of an umbrella term it's not ethnic or race specific. I mean this video basically gave all the credit to black people in Harlem.
so you're saying straight blacks made it? LMAO what would Ninja think of this.... or all the kids that were thrown out of their houses and participated in ballrooms. They created this scene cause neither straights and neither racist whites wanted them.Vogue is not a black thing. Vogue is a black and latino lgbt thing
Vogueing is as black, but lgbtq+ black not straight cis black guys. So it's both, but never just one. (plus the latinx community, always preaching for my familhia)
Alice In Salt Land so you exclude the Latino lgbt people who created it until the end of your comment give them credit too
Latinos too. I'm starting to hate black people for not giving us credit. It's all about blacks. We also helped to invent hip hop.
If vogueing is black then flying in an airplane is white... oh wait that’s super racist
I like that philosophy, "let's stop the war, we should just throw a shade.". Imagine Donald Trump/Biden, Xi Jin Ping, Putin and Kim Jong Un Voguing in ballroom dance to solve their problems. What a beautiful world we live in.
Who came here after Stay Tonight by Chung Ha?😆😃😄
whoever put that imovie corny music at the end of the video, they're going to prison
This was beautifully done. thanks for the representation, Vox.
This is really cool. Never heard of it before now glad you did a video
Thank you for correcting my image of the history of this type of dance! I didn't know any better, and I have a lot of friends in the LGBT+ community, so I want to learn about their history and help them feel safe and supported around me. (I might be some form of ace but right now I identify as either Questioning or straight.)
You want to be special so bad 😂
my dance teacher does this style of dancing in our hiphop classes sometimes and its so funny lmao
mandy trbl it isn't meant to be funny
wanna see a great Vogue Choreography? I recommend SHINHWA - THIS LOVE. You're welcome!
The girl whit the nose ring who talks in this video appears in pillar point's video called Dove. She makes a really beautiful dance and the location, breathtaking .
POSE brought me here
I always vogueing at my house when nobody's home or no one sees everyday even when I'm just going to bathroom LOL.
Voguing, in my simplest understanding, is about being as extra as you possibly can be. I love it hahaha!
Glad I found this video, even though I'm late. I always wondered why the dance moves were always the same, or just similar.
love is love
Satisfied Pepe I'd be more inclined to say that conservatism is an indicator of a much larger one but i know that'd be too hard for you to hear :^(
we're talking about adults here. Obviously there is a right way and a wrong way to behave towards children. But that has no bearing on this conversation, because we weren't talking about children.
I wouldn't classify pedophilia as "love". Desire, perhaps. But more often it's born from a need to assert dominance on the part of a weak and sick person. Again however, that's not what the video was about: so Desmond wasn't talking about that either.
Sophie Jones exactly my point love is love is valid in this context for a community of beings who support each other and have a passion for VOUGEING. Mother Earth would've been such a better place if we all stood by each other and accepted the fact that it's fine to be different.
EvilTom, it's strange how you almost advocated for pedophilia in your second to last comment. Perhaps it may be from generalizing too much. I'm interested in what research you've done on the topics you've mentioned but I would rather you emailed me than continued in this section of the comments.
Not that being less educated or exposed to something makes you less valid, but forming an educated point of reference can help to make real progress in a conversation as opposed to running in circles and making irrelevant comments, of which there are non here. I'm interested in understanding where you are coming from, in a non-personal sense.
I suppose what I'm asking for is a definition of the term "Natural" and how it related to "Mother Nature".
Which definitions do you abide by and should they be at all?
I'm team Mother Nature Can Fight Me because she's literally a pain in my butt but I love her, nonetheless, and I love my friends.
Does your definition include all things organic and that can be developed, or are you actively against that?
Because sex changes aren't just a choice for people, in a similar way that sexuality isn't a choice.
This discourse can also lead into questions surrounding identity, which is a fun but sometimes difficult place to traverse, even if one is prepared.
Bronx ...LGBT... Why is Vox afraid to give BLACK people credit for anything ?
Michael Jordan fr tho
Because black people literally weren't the only one's who made this lmao
It was black and Latino LGBTQ+ people who created this art. They clearly stated it in the video.
Latinos too. I'm starting to hate black people for not giving us credit. It's all about blacks. We also helped to invent hip hop.
Liberal bias Lol no seriously, you gotta stop, this is diving into the realm of hilarious. Pitbull isn't anyone's favorite rapper.
I really appreciated this. I think it's so important for these stories to be told. Madonna didn't invent voguing like people sometimes think she did.
more people think that mj invented moonwalking when he actually just stole it, but i've never seen y'all worrying about that
TIL this is my dance style, I thought I was just freestyling this whole time
shantay, you stay !
Great and inspiring video! Thanks so much for fueling my creativity and passion further with it:)
"I'm sooo into Voguing right now..."
My best ever memories when I was part of house Xtravaganza back in 1998 when I used to live in NY, I was not good in Voguing , but being a part of this amazing house was a dream . I used to go on Voguing competition and underground’s party !!
Miss Thing you better work ,, snap snap snap
What people need to know about Voguing is that it releases an aura of energy no one else can understand. Voguing is different for everyone in its uniqueness.
All I "know" about voguing is from Madonna. Thank you for some background.
I think the vocal performance of the narrator could be improved
Samuel Rai he's referring to how bored she sounds
omg please she sounds monotone as heck
@daily reminder i probably wouldn't work as a voice over narrator
Narrator's waaaaaaay to close to the mic. If you're gonna go all NPR then you have to lower your voice
I came here after Gfriend said Apple choreography was inspired by Voguing Choreography on Elle
*POC LGBTQ
We exist...
They made it very clear in the video.
Captain America: Civil war but as a vogue off.
This is so fun, love it💛
Finally found out that this is called voguing dance after I saw those funny edits of people falling down
jojo's bizzare adventure
「ＭEＮAＣIＮG」
I was summoned?
This is even better considering Dio is bisexual.
Yes
Voguing is my favorite form of dance
Shouldn't that title say 'black' LGBTQ+?
Ra Fie it should
no. stop trying to make this a race issue, voguing is an important element from de WHOLE lgbt comunity EVEN THOUGH black and latin people that created it, and they were always credited by it.
You're wrong but ok.
Raphael, the title literally says "How the LGBT community creating vogueing". You still want to argue that they're being credited right now? literally no one said that vogueing wasn't important for the whole lgbt community, Ra Fie just wants black LGBT to be credited, so don't break your arms reaching for an argument lmao.
Ra Fie no.
So it's like Jojo's Bizarre Adventure poses made into a dance? Genius.
So another title would be "How the LGBT black and latino community created voguing."
It’s very beautiful to see people dance and express themselves
Cool, I've never understood vogueing and this was a nice introduction.
*corey*
First he was in the house
Now he *is* the house
Often confused for Madonna's co-opted version.
That was poetry to my soul.
the original vogue dancers worked with madonna. the godfather of vogue loves madonna. you're not that educated.
Vox can get like 90% of the story right and then throw in something like this showing they don't do research and have an angle on everything. No wonder the company failed.