"Modern Kata Guruma": it is NOT Kata Guruma (Yoko Sutemi Waza)肩車と横捨身技

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  • Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024

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  • @RifZof
    @RifZof 2 года назад +33

    Having a collegiate wrestling background, kata guruma confused me so much when I got into judo. In the manuals drop kata guruma is identical to a fireman's carry throw, but in competition it looks completely different.

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  2 года назад +12

      It’s highly complex especially when finishing

    • @aymanabaza6475
      @aymanabaza6475 2 месяца назад +2

      To make Judo great the Rules must change. For a throw one can get a Half Point but in order to win the 2nd Half Point must be a Pin or Submission, this would make Judo so much more exciting and show the Pinning and Submissions of NeWaza

  • @PicaPauDiablo1
    @PicaPauDiablo1 2 года назад +15

    I still find myself amazed at how excellent your vids are. Much appreciated.

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  2 года назад +3

      Thank you so much 🙏🏻🙇🏻‍♂️

  • @Cyclonus5
    @Cyclonus5 2 года назад +3

    So my Judo Lineage comes from Kyuzo Mifune, we even informally call our style Canon Judo after his book,, and we spend a lot of time on Kata Guruma and its characteristics, probably because Tama Guruma is considered a Kata Guruma by the Kodokan, so I totally agree with the distinction between Yoko Sutemi waza and Te waza. Supposedly, Mifune-Sensei loved to do Kata Guruma to the front, to the point where my Sensei once said Kodokan Judo finished Kata Guruma kneeling to the Side while Canon Judo finishes standing to the front, though I now get this was somewhat tongue in cheek.

  • @luch1281
    @luch1281 2 года назад +3

    Wow. Incredible footage over interesting and detailed information on the techniques within..... Great video!

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  2 года назад

      Thank you

  • @beskeptic
    @beskeptic 2 года назад +2

    Very good Chadi! 100%

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  2 года назад +1

      🙇🏻‍♂️

  • @kenwintin3014
    @kenwintin3014 2 года назад +2

    This may be your best video yet. If it is Kodokan Judo, then the Kodokan is the only arbiter of what the proper name of a technique is. Kodokan made a video titled, "Kodokan Judo, various techniques and their names." Many yokosutemi waza can be done inserting your head under the opponent's armpit....yoko otoshi, uki otoshi, even tani otoshi. Their are many other techniques that are called all sorts of names by entities , such as IJF, and only Kodokan has that authority. Next please do a video on seoi otoshi vs tai otoshi and seoinage. Most Europeans and American still think that seoiotoshi is a hybrid of seoinage and taiotoshi, which it is not.

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  2 года назад +2

      Will do, thank you

  • @alexandrehuat773
    @alexandrehuat773 5 месяцев назад

    You are the channel I have been looking for. So much dense content. Thank you very much

  • @philamoureux675
    @philamoureux675 2 года назад +7

    My Dad taught Me The more Traditional throw. But He called it a "Fireman's Carry".

    • @madafaka8784
      @madafaka8784 2 года назад +1

      Kata Guruma originated from wrestling, and that's indeed the name!

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  2 года назад +7

      @@madafaka8784 no it can be found in Sumo and Jujutsu, sure Kano got something from the books but not the technique as a whole

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  2 года назад +5

      Wrestlers call it Fireman’s carry

    • @madafaka8784
      @madafaka8784 2 года назад

      @@Chadi Makes me wonder what firemen call it 🤔

    • @CuchulainAD
      @CuchulainAD 2 года назад +4

      @@madafaka8784 Work

  • @shadowfighter6445
    @shadowfighter6445 2 года назад +4

    I remember learning a technique in BJJ that was kinda like kata guruma, but you use your leg to block and trip the opponents legs making it a yoko type of technique perhaps.
    Thank you for sharing ☺️.

    • @pasteghost428
      @pasteghost428 2 года назад +3

      Oh yes. The classic set ofHelio Gracie school of techniques.

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  2 года назад +3

      It’s probably yoko otoshi with a leg grab, it’s easier than kata guruma

    • @shadowfighter6445
      @shadowfighter6445 2 года назад +1

      @@Chadi Yep I looked it up, it's definitely a Yoko otoshi with a leg grab.
      It's actually one of my favorite techniques 😄.

  • @fredazcarate4818
    @fredazcarate4818 2 года назад

    Chadi I thoroughly enjoyed your video.

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  2 года назад

      🙇🏻‍♂️

  • @Tentaisei
    @Tentaisei 2 года назад +6

    Been saying this for years it's Yoko otoshi

  • @NivoUF
    @NivoUF 2 года назад +2

    Someone finally has said it! There is little to no hand action that should drive kata kuruma in today’s kata gurumas

  • @bigtimepimpin666
    @bigtimepimpin666 2 года назад +1

    Chadi, i thought the new Judo competitiom rules did not allow for grabbing the legs.

  • @christophervelez1561
    @christophervelez1561 2 года назад +2

    Drop Kata garuma/drop seoi nage are my favorite takedowns for bjj.

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  2 года назад

      Awesome

  • @a.m.4479
    @a.m.4479 7 месяцев назад

    Does somebody know the backgroud music????

  • @mekugi
    @mekugi Год назад

    I just rewatched this video looking at some of the sutemi waza in old school martial arts. I have a technique in mind from Tenjin Shinyo Ryu that has a relationship to yoko otoshi...and now kata guruma. Maybe....

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  Год назад +1

      Is it tama guruma???

    • @mekugi
      @mekugi Год назад

      @@Chadi it's at 06:35 here:
      ruclips.net/video/syEv9mFD4UA/видео.html
      I am not sure of the name! 🤓

  • @joaopedrocorreagomes
    @joaopedrocorreagomes Год назад

    I agree 100%.

  • @sevasentinel4146
    @sevasentinel4146 Год назад

    I don't feel right calling it Yoko Otoshi in many cases due to it not resembling the "official" way the technique is done, especially in the Kodokan example shown. The way I see it is that Kata should be included if uke is closed in on tori's shoulders, so that the torso is behind tori's head. Then of course it's guruma if there's lift as you said, but otoshi if there's no lift and just pull.

  • @honigdachs.
    @honigdachs. 2 года назад

    I don't really know anything about Judo, I'm just hanging around here for fun and education. The actual kata guruma shown around the 5:05 mark to me is a fireman's carry. This "modern" technique starts the same, but adds a high probability of you ending up in a rear naked choke or a north-south. 😀

    • @kenwintin3014
      @kenwintin3014 2 года назад +1

      The founder of Judo, Jigoro Kano developed kata guruma after seeing fireman's carry in a wrestling book. It enabled him to throw a large bully in his Tenshin Shinyo Ryu dojo, when he was still doing jujutsu.

  • @alittlepuertoricanboy1993
    @alittlepuertoricanboy1993 2 года назад +3

    Is the real kata guruma banned in modern judo shiai???

    • @cucciafr68
      @cucciafr68 2 года назад +3

      Yes, because you cannot grab the legs.

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  2 года назад +1

      You can do it like Shmailov

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  2 года назад +1

      @@cucciafr68 even if you grab the leg you can still end up doing something different

    • @cucciafr68
      @cucciafr68 2 года назад +2

      @@Chadi Sorry, I mispoke. I meant the "real" as in kata version. Kuzure kata guruma is good. One of my friends, the first tournament the leg grabs were illegal, did standing kata guruma with one arm. He tucked the other into his stomach and pulled them over his back basically. Impressive

    • @shinobidaimyo5135
      @shinobidaimyo5135 2 года назад +3

      There are Freestyle Judo competitions that allow it.

  • @halimsiad7346
    @halimsiad7346 2 года назад

    The last technique is te guruma

  • @mariorauldelapena2052
    @mariorauldelapena2052 2 года назад +1

    Gran video!!!Bendiciones!!!!

    • @Chadi
      @Chadi  2 года назад +1

      🙇🏻‍♂️

  • @TheOriginalJAX
    @TheOriginalJAX 2 года назад

    Yeah I've been injured by a leg grab kinda going wrong, landed on my knee and pulled the tendon in my groin. Not the worst thing to ever happen but still was not happy about it. They should just strictly prohibit those techniques from being taught to the newbs instead of banning them outright, The risks are real sure but it's mostly inexperience.

    • @NickKano11
      @NickKano11 2 года назад +1

      Yeah BJJ has a good way of doing it: certain techniques aren't allowed in competition until reaching a certain belt.

    • @TheOriginalJAX
      @TheOriginalJAX 2 года назад

      @@NickKano11 That sounds like the way on this, if only Judo would adopt this approach within the regulations, It's not like the Judo federations couldn't take a few cues from the BJJ world I must admit.

  • @zombie-pq9xz
    @zombie-pq9xz 2 года назад

    레스링 기술 갖기도 하네유..

  • @prasantadebnath1827
    @prasantadebnath1827 2 года назад

    What!!!!!

  • @professorteacher3679
    @professorteacher3679 8 дней назад

    A Federação Internacional de Judô está destruindo a "arte de Jigoro Kano".